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The General Election.

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  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,122
    edited November 2019
    tomgoodun said:

    Ethiopia plants more than 350 million trees in 12 hours. (CNN) Ethiopia planted more than 353 million trees in 12 hours on Monday, which officials believe is a world record. The burst of tree planting was part of a wider reforestation campaign named "Green Legacy," spearheaded by the country's Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed ...

    Did they fly over the country and drop skip loads of seeds... :D
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,756
    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    What do you think is lies? The fact it can be achieved in the timescale, or that the parties won’t do what they say about planting trees?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    I cant get excited over trees.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,756
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    I cant get excited over trees.
    The topic is worthy of your interest .

    Deforestation is the second leading cause of global warming and produces about 24% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Scientist say that deforestation in tropical rainforests adds more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere than the sum total of all the cars and trucks on the world’s roads
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    I cant get excited over trees.
    The topic is worthy of your interest .

    Deforestation is the second leading cause of global warming and produces about 24% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Scientist say that deforestation in tropical rainforests adds more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere than the sum total of all the cars and trucks on the world’s roads
    I am sure it is.

    I just cant get excited over it.

    It seems that so many people are so hypocritical on this issue.

    They preach a good game but still eat meat, drive non electric cars, fly in planes, have no solar panels, no cavity insulation, persevere with inefficient boilers, etc, etc,

    Boris promised he would be lying in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow, it goes on and on.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    tomgoodun said:

    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    What do you think is lies? The fact it can be achieved in the timescale, or that the parties won’t do what they say about planting trees?
    tomgoodun said:

    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    What do you think is lies? The fact it can be achieved in the timescale, or that the parties won’t do what they say about planting trees?
    The latter.
    It may or not be linked to Indian companies a while back, renting a hectare of land for $7 a hectare?That was a long time ago,and the Indians never kept their part of the deal.
    So I think they’ve been kicked out.
    80% of Ethiopia is made up of quite poor land,only a fraction is very fertile.
    Maybe they’re keeping some of the Indians money and investing that themselves.
    Because it was such a long time ago, I really haven’t got a clue.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    tomgoodun said:

    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    I cant get excited over trees.
    The topic is worthy of your interest .

    Deforestation is the second leading cause of global warming and produces about 24% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Scientist say that deforestation in tropical rainforests adds more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere than the sum total of all the cars and trucks on the world’s roads
    I am sure it is.

    I just cant get excited over it.

    It seems that so many people are so hypocritical on this issue.

    They preach a good game but still eat meat, drive non electric cars, fly in planes, have no solar panels, no cavity insulation, persevere with inefficient boilers, etc, etc,

    Boris promised he would be lying in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow, it goes on and on.
    Lying down in front of bulldozers won’t please Heathrows foreign owners, the same applies to Gatwick, and most of our ports.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    I cant get excited over trees.
    HAYSIE said:

    chilling said:

    No need, because it’s all lies.

    I cant get excited over trees.
    Come on HAYSIE, surely these are better than staring at concrete.
    200yards from my abode.
    I’ll even throw in some fish for you.😊


  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    Fortunately it doesn't have to be an either or choice, of trees or concrete.














































































    I might have overdone it.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    HAYSIE said:

    Fortunately it doesn't have to be an either or choice, of trees or concrete.














































































    I might have overdone it.

    Very nice👍
    I’ve had enough election for now.
    Will be back for the aftermath on the 13th though.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    chilling said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Fortunately it doesn't have to be an either or choice, of trees or concrete.














































































    I might have overdone it.

    Very nice👍
    I’ve had enough election for now.
    Will be back for the aftermath on the 13th though.
    Ok.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    Over in politics



    The Sun urges the prime minister to make himself more prominent in the election campaign.
    Questions have been asked about why Boris Johnson chose not to take part in a Channel 4 debate about climate change and why he hasn't confirmed that he will be interviewed, like other party leaders, by BBC journalist Andrew Neil. The Sun believes Mr Johnson should be "less timid, less defensive, more bullish about what he can achieve".
    'Harm and distress' in the NHS
    The Guardian reports that millions of NHS patients in England might be prevented from having routine treatments and tests as part of plans to save money. The paper says it has seen a list of 34 procedures - including hernia repair and the surgical removal of kidney stones - that would no longer be available.
    The Patients' Association tells the Guardian that putting barriers in the way of previously commonplace care would cause "harm and distress". But the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges - one of the organisations that has compiled the list, along with NHS England - is quoted as saying: "medicine continually evolves and it's right we don't carry out tests, treatments or procedures when the evidence tells us they are inappropriate or ineffective".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50609915
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    Boris Johnson's dad says British public can't read or write in live TV outburst
    I'm A Celebrity star Stanley Johnson, 79, made the comments on the Victoria Derbyshire Show after host Joanna Gosling read out a tweet that called the Prime Minister "Pinocchio"





    Boris Johnson's dad has branded the British public illiterate during an on-air rant.
    I'm A Celebrity star Stanley Johnson, 79, was on the Victoria Derbyshire Show when he made the extraordinary comments.

    Presenter Joanna Gosling read out a tweet from a viewer calling the Prime Minister "Pinocchio".
    But former MEP Stanley hit back saying: "That requires a degree of literacy, which I think the great British public doesn't necessarily have."

    Shocked by the remark, Ms Gosling replied: "What do you mean by that?" and called the comment "pejorative".
    Mr Johnson then continued his rant against the British public: "They couldn't spell Pinocchio of they tried."



    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-dad-says-british-20989341
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    Boris Johnson refuses to back banished Jacob Rees-Mogg after Grenfell comments
    The Tory toff disappeared from the Conservatives national campaign after appearing to suggest he was smarter that the people who died in the Grenfell tower tragedy




    Boris Johnson has refused to offer his support to disgraced Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg .
    The Tory toff has disappeared from the Conservatives national campaign after appearing to suggest he was smarter that the people who died in the Grenfell tower tragedy.

    This morning, flanked by senior Cabinet minister Michael Gove and former Labour MP Gisela Stuart, Mr Johnson refused to support his under fire minister.
    Asked flat out about the MPs absence from the campaign the PM said he would not make anymore comments about because it would look as if he is "measuring the curtains" before the election.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-refuses-back-banished-20989097
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    Boris Johnson makes cut-throat gesture during voter's call about social care
    Boris Johnson was seen making the bizarre motion during a phone-in on LBC - but later said he was "imitating" host Nick Ferrari following an issue with his headphones being too loud




    But Labour 's David Lammy accused Johnson of making the gesture in a bid to "cut the call and move on to a different question".
    The Labour candidate for Tottenham said on Twitter : "Scared of debating the climate emergency. Scared of a 30 minute BBC interview. Scared to take a call".

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-makes-cut-throat-20987718



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTmpzuwgnDA
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,846
    2 quick rants about how Britain is different to how we pretend.

    1. How can the 5th largest economy in the world's apparently only growth industry be foodbanks? How broken are we that we cannot give people enough to eat?

    2. The NHS is most certainly not free even now. There are loads of health services that are not free. I am not talking about elective stuff. Core issues. Here are just 3-dentistry, eye tests, hospices.

    No-one believes the Tories will sell the entire NHS. But there will be more items to add to that list.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    Essexphil said:

    2 quick rants about how Britain is different to how we pretend.

    1. How can the 5th largest economy in the world's apparently only growth industry be foodbanks? How broken are we that we cannot give people enough to eat?

    2. The NHS is most certainly not free even now. There are loads of health services that are not free. I am not talking about elective stuff. Core issues. Here are just 3-dentistry, eye tests, hospices.

    No-one believes the Tories will sell the entire NHS. But there will be moreparticularly items to add to that list.

    Brexit will not improve point 1.

    I am sceptical when I listen to Labours nationalisation plans.

    I can remember the days when we had power cuts, Red Robbo shutting down Longbridge at a moments notice on a whim, a mate of mine who was a carpenter working for The Council, left his job because was bored, as his boss told him he was only allowed to do little bit of work every day, to avoid jeopardising others, etc etc.
    When I was growing up it was accepted that private industry ran much more efficiently than anything that was state owned.
    The NHS seem particularly inefficient.
    Maybe they should also compete with private hospitals.
    Maybe they should provide an insurance based, more comprehensive service, in addition to what they currently do.
    Maybe some of the services they currently provide should only be available to those with increased cover.
    Shouldn't they just focus on efficiently providing basic health care.
    Some of the things they currently do are completely unproductive, for instance thousands of people that cant afford dental treatment, now turn up at A&E.
    The NHS problems are not solely about money.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,846
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    2 quick rants about how Britain is different to how we pretend.

    1. How can the 5th largest economy in the world's apparently only growth industry be foodbanks? How broken are we that we cannot give people enough to eat?

    2. The NHS is most certainly not free even now. There are loads of health services that are not free. I am not talking about elective stuff. Core issues. Here are just 3-dentistry, eye tests, hospices.

    No-one believes the Tories will sell the entire NHS. But there will be moreparticularly items to add to that list.

    Brexit will not improve point 1.

    I am sceptical when I listen to Labours nationalisation plans.

    I can remember the days when we had power cuts, Red Robbo shutting down Longbridge at a moments notice on a whim, a mate of mine who was a carpenter working for The Council, left his job because was bored, as his boss told him he was only allowed to do little bit of work every day, to avoid jeopardising others, etc etc.
    When I was growing up it was accepted that private industry ran much more efficiently than anything that was state owned.
    The NHS seem particularly inefficient.
    Maybe they should also compete with private hospitals.
    Maybe they should provide an insurance based, more comprehensive service, in addition to what they currently do.
    Maybe some of the services they currently provide should only be available to those with increased cover.
    Shouldn't they just focus on efficiently providing basic health care.
    Some of the things they currently do are completely unproductive, for instance thousands of people that cant afford dental treatment, now turn up at A&E.
    The NHS problems are not solely about money.
    My main point is that these things exist BEFORE Brexit.

    Nationalisation is not always better, or always worse, than privatisation.

    One prime example for nationalisation is the Railways. Firstly, the track and various other services ARE nationalised. And all Companies have to use them. What is the point of having Regional Railways (many of which are run by other countries' national railways). Show me a monopoly, and I'll show you how an oligopoly is worse.

    Or power. Do people not realise (for example) that EDF Energy is actually "Electricite De France"?

    The NHS problems are due to a lot of things, most notably the cost of ever-improving medicine. Efficient? Probably not. But your suggestions re "competing" with private hospitals are madness.

    When you (and I) were growing up people accepted a whole load of rubbish as fact. Much like today.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,456
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    2 quick rants about how Britain is different to how we pretend.

    1. How can the 5th largest economy in the world's apparently only growth industry be foodbanks? How broken are we that we cannot give people enough to eat?

    2. The NHS is most certainly not free even now. There are loads of health services that are not free. I am not talking about elective stuff. Core issues. Here are just 3-dentistry, eye tests, hospices.

    No-one believes the Tories will sell the entire NHS. But there will be moreparticularly items to add to that list.

    Brexit will not improve point 1.

    I am sceptical when I listen to Labours nationalisation plans.

    I can remember the days when we had power cuts, Red Robbo shutting down Longbridge at a moments notice on a whim, a mate of mine who was a carpenter working for The Council, left his job because was bored, as his boss told him he was only allowed to do little bit of work every day, to avoid jeopardising others, etc etc.
    When I was growing up it was accepted that private industry ran much more efficiently than anything that was state owned.
    The NHS seem particularly inefficient.
    Maybe they should also compete with private hospitals.
    Maybe they should provide an insurance based, more comprehensive service, in addition to what they currently do.
    Maybe some of the services they currently provide should only be available to those with increased cover.
    Shouldn't they just focus on efficiently providing basic health care.
    Some of the things they currently do are completely unproductive, for instance thousands of people that cant afford dental treatment, now turn up at A&E.
    The NHS problems are not solely about money.
    My main point is that these things exist BEFORE Brexit.

    Nationalisation is not always better, or always worse, than privatisation.

    One prime example for nationalisation is the Railways. Firstly, the track and various other services ARE nationalised. And all Companies have to use them. What is the point of having Regional Railways (many of which are run by other countries' national railways). Show me a monopoly, and I'll show you how an oligopoly is worse.

    Or power. Do people not realise (for example) that EDF Energy is actually "Electricite De France"?

    The NHS problems are due to a lot of things, most notably the cost of ever-improving medicine. Efficient? Probably not. But your suggestions re "competing" with private hospitals are madness.

    When you (and I) were growing up people accepted a whole load of rubbish as fact. Much like today.


    EDF gave me the best deal for my power.
    Although I agree that we shouldn't sell off the family jewels.

    My point was really that the NHS, cover many things now that weren't even dreamt of when it was founded.
    If the concept is to provide a free service for all, and that all those in a position to, contribute to the cost.
    Some of the services they provide are only applicable to very small minorities, and some may not be considered healthcare.
    Many of the companies that operate private hospitals, sell health insurance.
    These hospitals obviously have a demand.
    Why wouldn't the NHS want to compete for this income to offset their costs.
    The cost of the NHS has to rise, and rise until we cant afford it.

    Anything that could offset some of the costs should surely be welcomed.
    If the NHS could profit from providing additional services, without affecting current operations, why wouldn't they?

    The Government are not good at this.
    The latest plan is to abolish the parking charges that net around £130m per year, from memory.
    So the NHS net £130m from parking changes. When this stops it just means that the money will have to be raised from elsewhere.
    So instead of the people that use hospital car parks contributing this money, it will be extracted from those that don't.
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