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The General Election.

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    chilling said:

    Precisely what I said, they should have upped their spending a few years ago.

    No, you said that they have.
  • chillingchilling Member Posts: 3,774
    Well on my view on this thread it says “ should have upped”
    So maybe my”should” has disappeared into the stratosphere on one of Elon Musks rockets.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    chilling said:

    Well on my view on this thread it says “ should have upped”
    So maybe my”should” has disappeared into the stratosphere on one of Elon Musks rockets.

    or it has been edited.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461

















    There's plenty of analysis of Tuesday night's televised debate between Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in the papers.
    Paul Waugh, for HuffPost UK, suggests Mr Johnson "undeniably had the best of the first half of the debate, when it was focused on Brexit".
    He finds that there was "no knockout blow" in "this political boxing match", but that Mr Corbyn "won several rounds on points".
    A similar analogy is employed by the Daily Mail, which concludes that Mr Johnson "kept [Mr Corbyn] on the ropes". Its columnist, Henry Deedes, believes "the judges' scorecards would have edged the prime minister", who, he says, delivered "an assured performance".
    Corbyn v Johnson fact-checked
    How did the election debate play out online?
    Five things from the debate
    For Quentin Letts in The Times, the event was "unexpectedly good sport" - "pacy, a little chaotic", with an audience that "deployed forced, supportive, mocking, occasionally disbelieving laughter as a weapon of attrition". He declares the moderator, ITV's Julie Etchingham, the "clear winner".

    In its editorial, the i newspaper awards victory to "the people posing questions from the audience". It accuses both men of showing "little humility" when addressing the issue of trust, "instead turning their answers back to their main attack lines on Brexit and the NHS".
    James Forsyth for the Spectator believes the Conservatives "will be the happier of the two sides" after what he regards as a "scrappy affair". He expresses surprise that Mr Corbyn "didn't try and move to rally Remainers to him", making it harder to "squeeze down the Liberal Democrat vote".
    The Daily Express considers it to have been "the debate of the crooked glasses" for the Labour leader, while Mr Johnson, it insists, "showed a clarity of vision". It calculates that Mr Corbyn "dodged" questions about whether he would support Leave or Remain in a second Brexit referendum nine times.



    Fact checking
    BuzzFeed UK reports that "genuine fact checking services and journalists" were "appalled" when the Conservative Party press office changed a Twitter account to resemble a fact-checking organisation during the debate, condemning it as "a disingenuous move to con people into believing it was an independent account".
    Its coverage includes a tweet from the former Conservative chairwoman, Sayeeda Warsi, questioning why she "didn't get the memo" about the name change.
    A spokesman for the independent fact-checking charity Full Fact tells Politico that it has reported it to Twitter, and questions whether the account should retain its blue tick verifying its authenticity.
    The New Statesman sees it as a "gross subversion of democracy". According to its digital culture writer Sarah Manavis, it is "a disinformation tactic that not even Donald Trump has stooped to" which "echoes Russian dissemination tricks" and was "executed... with sinister intent".

    Maternity 'tragedy'
    Several papers feature case studies of some of the women affected by the maternity deaths at Shrewsbury and Telford NHS Trust. The Daily Mail condemns it as a "shameful tragedy" and reveals how its exposure of the scandal was dismissed as "irresponsible" and "scaremongering" by hospital officials. It calls for the culture of "obfuscation and cover-up" to "change immediately".
    The Sun is equally shocked by the failures, describing it as "the gravest maternity scandal in NHS history". It says "no one has carried the can" for "dozens of babies and mothers dying unavoidably" through "40 years of failure and epic incompetence", and adds that the "police must now step in".
    Breast cancer drugs
    The Daily Mirror highlights a study which has concluded that drugs commonly used to treat arthritis could help prevent the spread of breast cancer. It says researchers in Manchester and Sheffield found that the three drugs blocked the bone marrow from releasing a protein that helps cancerous cells to grow and make secondary tumours in bones

    A long slog

    In what may be depressing news for many of us, the Daily Mail highlights a study by the Office for National Statistics, which has found that we should all work until we're 70. The report says improvements to health and life expectancy mean old age no longer starts at 65.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50482722








  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461


    Twitter threatens to ban the Tories after press team 'attempts to mislead' public
    The BBC Newsnight presenter took James Cleverly to task over CCHQ changing their name to 'factcheckUK' for last night's election debate. The change sparked outrage with hundreds reporting the account to Twitter.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/emily-maitlis-skewers-tory-party-20919382
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    The audience won the leaders’ debate – because they didn’t believe a word of it
    When the prime minister told voters that the truth matters, they laughed at him



    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/election-debate-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-itv-nhs-labour-a9209926.html
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,756
    On the subject of “ Truth matters”, maybe a way forward in these debates would be to have a big tv screen behind the participants , when they lie ( There’s not going to be a border in the Irish Sea for instance) a klaxon sounds , and the word LIE is plastered on the screen.

    Viewing figures would increase , and the politicians would have to think twice about spouting bull.... constantly.
  • goldongoldon Member Posts: 9,154
    There is only one way to ensure Politicians tell the Truth.


    Bit Harsh Mm! Ok just because the kids are watching....
    https://youtu.be/2H7UgX40Pkg
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    edited November 2019
    tomgoodun said:

    On the subject of “ Truth matters”, maybe a way forward in these debates would be to have a big tv screen behind the participants , when they lie ( There’s not going to be a border in the Irish Sea for instance) a klaxon sounds , and the word LIE is plastered on the screen.

    Viewing figures would increase , and the politicians would have to think twice about spouting bull.... constantly.



    Actor Ralf Little suspended from Twitter for mocking Tory ‘factcheck’ rebrand


    Actor Ralf Little said he has been suspended from Twitter after changing his account to mimic the Conservative Party press office.
    The Tories came under fire for rebranding one of their official Twitter accounts as a “fact-checking service” during Tuesday night’s televised election debate.





    However, by Wednesday morning a number of celebrities re-branded their verified accounts.
    Royle Family actor Ralf Little changed his name to “Conservative Party Press Orifice” and the description to “Not a fact checker. Or the Conservative Press Office”.
    He told LBC’s James O’Brien: “Just been logged out of my Twitter account without explanation. Assume I’ve been suspended. Which is fine. But only if the @CCHQPress account is suspended for the same thing. Please continue to press the issue with Twitter in my absence.”
    He was not the only verified celebrity to rebrand his account.
    Black Mirror creator Charlie Brooker changed his account to mimic factcheckUK, as did The Thick Of It and Veep creator Armando Iannucci.

    The Electoral Commission – the official elections watchdog – issued a warning following the incident, saying voters were entitled to expect “transparency and integrity” from campaigners.
    However, senior party figures brushed off the controversy, saying it was part of their “instant rebuttal” mechanism to challenge “nonsense” claims made during the debate.
    In a statement, Twitter said: “Twitter is committed to facilitating healthy debate throughout the UK General Election.


    “We have global rules in place that prohibit behaviour that can mislead people, including those with verified accounts.
    “Any further attempts to mislead people by editing verified profile information – in a manner seen during the UK election debate – will result in decisive corrective action.”



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    A message from @RalfLittle:
    Just been logged out of my twitter account without explanation. Assume I’ve been suspended. Which is fine. But only if the @CCHQPress account is suspended for the same thing. Please continue to press the issue with twitter in my absence.
    Ralf x

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/actor-ralf-little-suspended-twitter-110647092.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461


    The Guardian leads on Labour's £75bn manifesto pledge to "tackle Britain's housing crisis".
    The shadow housing secretary, John Healey, tells the paper that the party wants to bring in "a new era of council housing", aiming to build 100,000 homes a year.
    The paper notes the last time that many council houses were built was in 1977.
    The Daily Mirror reports that thousands of homes sold under the Right to Buy scheme could be bought back by councils from private landlords under Labour's plans.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50497529










  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,128
    Sums it all up nicely...

  • lucy4lucy4 Member Posts: 8,128
    Corbyn Does A Prince Andrew Interview On Andrew Neil Show.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    lucy4 said:

    Corbyn Does A Prince Andrew Interview On Andrew Neil Show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRwWjhY_Pg
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 36,461
    lucy4 said:

    Corbyn Does A Prince Andrew Interview On Andrew Neil Show.

    The fallout from Jeremy Corbyn's interview with Andrew Neil occupies most of the front pages. "Car-crash", "humiliating", a "horror show" and "disastrous" are just some of the ways the TV appearance is described.
    In nine pages of coverage, the Daily Mail says the interview left the Labour leader and his policies "torn apart". It says Mr Corbyn "floundered repeatedly" when he was quizzed about the party's electoral pledges and spending plans - on issues including women's pensions, the taxation of those on low incomes and Brexit.
    But most criticism is reserved for his repeated refusal to apologise for Labour's handling of anti-Semitism allegations. The Times says Christian, Hindu, Muslim and Sikh leaders all backed the Chief Rabbi's intervention on Tuesday, in describing anti-Jewish racism as a "poison" within Labour.
    The Sun is unequivocal in its criticism. "A vote for Labour is a vote for racism" it tells readers, adding that the party has become "a cesspit, beyond disgrace".
    The interview was also viewed to have gone badly for Mr Corbyn by Labour activists, with at least one group attempting to organise positive messaging ahead of its broadcast on messaging apps, according to the Mail. It reports a source as saying the instructions did not come from the Labour Party.


    PM's past remarks
    The Daily Mirror is less critical, saying Mr Corbyn has admitted past mistakes and is "undoubtedly a committed, life-long campaigner against racism". The paper instead turns its fire on Boris Johnson - whom it criticises for taunting veiled women and insulting black Britons.
    The prime minister's past remarks on race are also highlighted in the Guardian and the news website HuffPost UK. They note that at a campaign event on Tuesday, Chancellor Sajid Javid refused seven times to condemn Mr Johnson for using terms such as "bank robber" and "letterbox" to describe women who wear a burka.
    Mr Javid instead responded that the prime minister had given a "valid explanation" of his use of language.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50567551
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