Brexit Party on puny 6% as Farage's threat dries up RESULT: Con 41%, Lab 29%, Lib Dem 16%, Brexit Party 6%, Green 2%. SAMPLE SIZE: 1.518 UK adults WHAT IT SHOWED: This poll makes grim reading for Nigel Farage as his Brexit Party falls from 11% to 6% in a week. It came at the same time as his threat to stand against the Tories in 600 seats, unless Boris Johnson dropped his Brexit deal, caused a backlash in his own party and forced him to compromise.
Deltapoll, Oct 18-21
Voters back the Tories - but they also back Remain RESULT: Con 37%, Lab 24%, Lib Dem 19%, Brexit Party 11%, Green 3%. SAMPLE SIZE: 2,017 respondents online WHAT IT SHOWED: The poll gave another chunky lead to the Tories but also found Brits would vote overwhelmingly for Remain if there was a second referendum. If there was a second referendum, 55% would vote Remain versus 45% for Leave (excluding ‘Don’t Know’).
Bookies say hung Parliament is as likely as a Tory majority With the polls varying wildly, bookies on November 4 were predicting a hung Parliament as equally as a Tory majority. Coral: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 16/1 Bet365: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 12/1 Ladbrokes: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 16/1 William Hill: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 12/1 Paddy Power: No Overall Majority 10/11, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 14/1
Nigel Farage's decision to stand his Brexit Party down in more than 300 constituencies at the election dominates the front pages. "Farage retreats from every Tory seat" is the headline in the Telegraph, adding that bookies have "slashed the odds of a Tory majority" as a result. The paper suggests Mr Farage now faces a battle to keep control of his party and is under pressure from senior party figures and donors to go further and withdraw candidates from other key marginals. Writing a column in the paper, Mr Farage says his decision should "kill off the idea of a second referendum". Not everyone thinks he's made the right decision, though. "A disgrace to politics" is how one - now former - Brexit Party candidate describes Mr Farage. The Sun, the Metro and the i all go with a front page photo of Boris Johnson raising a pint. "Cheers Nige" says the Sun, adding "now help us beat Labour by pulling out of every seat". The Telegraph suggests that might be a possibility. It quotes a "source close to Mr Farage" saying that "there's no question he could be prepared to do more if he's treated with courtesy by Conservative Party chairman James Cleverly".
The source adds that "the Brexit Party would be happy with 10 sitting MPs to help get Brexit done".
The Guardian's headline reads "Farage urged to give Tories free run at Labour seats". It reports that senior Tories are "pressing behind the scenes" for further concessions, and says Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP fear that a "secret pact" has been struck between Mr Farage and Mr Johnson in favour of a "hard Brexit" - something that both parties have denied. "Boris and Farage do Trump deal to stitch up election", is the Daily Mirror's take. It points out that Mr Farage has changed his position following a call by US President Donald Trump for Leavers to team up, and following the offer of a peerage, which Mr Farage says he turned down. The paper's editorial says President Trump could be the biggest winner, with Mr Johnson and Mr Farage delivering the NHS and the British food industry into "greedy US hands".
1. 3 small parties (3rd/6th/7th in the polls) try to band together to try and win 60 seats. This is, according to the papers, anti-democratic, a Remainer alliance that threatens the fabric of the country, blah blah
2. The 4th largest party, whose voters predominantly would vote for the other, more moderate, Right Wing Party, announces it will not stand in all of the Conservative-held seats. It will exist purely to try and take away Labour seats and votes. This is hailed by the Press as great for democracy, but doesn't go far enough, as (apparently) Brexit should also withdraw from Labour marginals that the Conservatives want to target.
3. so, the Party that last won the popular vote (in the EU elections) now exists purely to seek to ensure that a different Party, the current largest, wins.
It is not "goodnight Corbyn". It is goodbye democracy. Meanwhile the Press will continue to portray Labour as the Party attacking our Democracy. I cannot stand Corbyn. He is an ineffectual leader, who dithers on some big issues. But better him than someone intent on destroying our Democracy.
The sooner we have Regions, rather than seats, the better.
I would be interested to know how many in the Brexit Party are happy with Nigel's decision, given three hundred have been dropped. If it's not the majority, then I would encourage to oust Nigel as Leader ... he's not standing anyway. Past sell-by date.
Democracy said 'Goodnight' or 'Goodbye' a long time ago once the votes of 17.4m people were ignored.
This just isn't true. Parliament has been trying to find a way to leave for all of that 3 years.
The problem has not come from the Remain side. Many prominent Remainers have consistently voted to Leave in Parliament. A particular way of leaving was approved by the House this year. But Boris decided that his need for a Majority was MUCH more important than actually leaving.
Quick question for the Mail/Telegraph readers:-
Who offered Farage a Peerage last week, and why? Still believe there isn't a Con trick somewhere?
How does the U.K. food industry get delivered into US hands? We consume 50% of unprocessed food that’s homegrown. 30% of unprocessed food is imported from the EU. I’d presume the figure for the U.K. could be even higher if the desire was there. It always comes down to the consumer to make their choice surely? Some like to go to their butcher, some have packaged/ filmed meat. Wherever the food comes from, the final decision is with the consumer.
"The problem has not come from the remain side". So who the he ll has been voting against leaving for the past 3 years and will continue to vote against it in the future? Some Remainers have voted for some of the deals to leave but the majority of Remainers have not and will not vote to leave no matter what,where's the democracy in that. I don't read any newspaper of any kind, I'm more than capable of making my own mind up without the biased influences of corporations with their own agendas.
Brexit is no longer Nigel's Baby....... bad Parents give up rights and baby gets taken into care. Political Party like Brexit is not one person, one person can "Make it" or "Break it". Hope he knows what he's doing ....as there is no fool like an old fool. !
Democracy said 'Goodnight' or 'Goodbye' a long time ago once the votes of 17.4m people were ignored.
I just laugh sometimes.
I think that those quoting the will of the people, and talk about democracy, are very selective on their facts.
Our democracy is based on General Elections every five years.
The electorate are able to change their mind, if they are unhappy with a particular Government, and elect a different party at the next election.
So if a Tory Government is elected by the will of the people, and the electorate is unhappy with them, they are able to elect Labour at the next election, and everyone would agree that this would be the new will of the people.
So why is it ok for us to have our 3rd General Election in 4 years, but out of the question to have a second referendum?
This General Election is being described by many as a Brexit election, so if the majority vote in favour of remain parties, does that mean the will of the people has changed?
Those that quote the will of the people seem to have no wish to find a solution?
An election resulting in a hung Parliament will provide no solution, yet another referendum clearly does.
The only thing that will provide a definitive solution is another referendum.
What is the solution if the election results in a hung Parliament?
The fourth General Election in five years?
What happens if we have another, the fifth in 5 years?
Surely we should be keen to find a solution rather than just point to democracy, and the will of the people, while going around in circles?
The real problem is that Brexit is really impossible.
Forget the 17.4 million. There is not a majority in favour of any particular type of Brexit.
I am regularly disappointed by Brexiteer members of the public that are interviewed on telly, and the lack of substance of their arguments. They only seem able to quote 17.4 million people, democracy, get Brexit done etc.
Brexit is a massive mistake that our country will pay for in the years to come.
It is a nonsense.
Our PM has to resort to lies to make any sense of it.
He is even arguing that freedom of movement, and single market access for NI is a great deal.
How can it be a great deal for NI, but not for the rest of the UK?
Brexit seems likely to lead to the break up of the UK, was that the will of the people too?
I think that those that criticise MPs do not appreciate that they are only as split as the electorate that they represent.
It could be argued that the electorate vote for what could be deemed as selfish reasons. Things that effect them directly, without looking at the big picture. So, my No1 reason to vote for a party is..........
Democracy said 'Goodnight' or 'Goodbye' a long time ago once the votes of 17.4m people were ignored.
This just isn't true. Parliament has been trying to find a way to leave for all of that 3 years.
The problem has not come from the Remain side. Many prominent Remainers have consistently voted to Leave in Parliament. A particular way of leaving was approved by the House this year. But Boris decided that his need for a Majority was MUCH more important than actually leaving.
Quick question for the Mail/Telegraph readers:-
Who offered Farage a Peerage last week, and why? Still believe there isn't a Con trick somewhere?
Not only that, it was no coincidence that Boris complied with the 2 conditions Farage demanded in return for not standing in the Tory seats. The first was an undertaking that Boris would not extend the transition period, under any circumstances. This makes the threat of no deal at the end of next year realistic. This is exacerbated by the fact that Boris has agreed that any extension must be applied for, at the latest by next Summer. Many experts feel that the prospect of negotiating a trade deal by then, is improbable, to say the least. The second demand was for Boris to negotiate a Canada type free trade deal. Many people on both sides of the argument will say that this will not go far enough. Where do Nigel Farages demands figure in the will of the people?
How does the U.K. food industry get delivered into US hands? We consume 50% of unprocessed food that’s homegrown. 30% of unprocessed food is imported from the EU. I’d presume the figure for the U.K. could be even higher if the desire was there. It always comes down to the consumer to make their choice surely? Some like to go to their butcher, some have packaged/ filmed meat. Wherever the food comes from, the final decision is with the consumer.
The amount of trade we do with the EU is completely dependant upon how closely we are aligned with them. A trade deal with the US will not allow close alignment with the EU.
"The problem has not come from the remain side". So who the he ll has been voting against leaving for the past 3 years and will continue to vote against it in the future? Some Remainers have voted for some of the deals to leave but the majority of Remainers have not and will not vote to leave no matter what,where's the democracy in that. I don't read any newspaper of any kind, I'm more than capable of making my own mind up without the biased influences of corporations with their own agendas.
Parliament works on the basis of the party in Government has a majority, which enables them to vote through their agenda. The job of the opposition parties is to scrutinise the legislation, and oppose the Government. The clue is in the name. The Tories could only form a Government with the help of the DUP. The Tories have failed on Brexit through factions of their own party refusing to vote for their own deal. You cant blame the opposition parties for doing what they are supposed to do. Many of the Tory rebels voted for Theresa Mays deal on all three occasions, but the ERG didn't. In fact the PM voted against it twice. The ERG are Brexit fanatics. You are surely not expecting business leaders to remain silent about the disastrous effect of Brexit on their businesses? Are you accusing them of bias when they point out the pitfalls?
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Brexit Party on puny 6% as Farage's threat dries up
RESULT: Con 41%, Lab 29%, Lib Dem 16%, Brexit Party 6%, Green 2%.
SAMPLE SIZE: 1.518 UK adults
WHAT IT SHOWED: This poll makes grim reading for Nigel Farage as his Brexit Party falls from 11% to 6% in a week. It came at the same time as his threat to stand against the Tories in 600 seats, unless Boris Johnson dropped his Brexit deal, caused a backlash in his own party and forced him to compromise.
Deltapoll, Oct 18-21
Voters back the Tories - but they also back Remain
RESULT: Con 37%, Lab 24%, Lib Dem 19%, Brexit Party 11%, Green 3%.
SAMPLE SIZE: 2,017 respondents online
WHAT IT SHOWED: The poll gave another chunky lead to the Tories but also found Brits would vote overwhelmingly for Remain if there was a second referendum. If there was a second referendum, 55% would vote Remain versus 45% for Leave (excluding ‘Don’t Know’).
Bookies say hung Parliament is as likely as a Tory majority
With the polls varying wildly, bookies on November 4 were predicting a hung Parliament as equally as a Tory majority.
Coral: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 16/1
Bet365: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 12/1
Ladbrokes: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 16/1
William Hill: No Overall Majority Evens, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 12/1
Paddy Power: No Overall Majority 10/11, Tory majority Evens, Labour majority 14/1
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/uk-politics-poll-tracker-general-20070947
"Farage retreats from every Tory seat" is the headline in the Telegraph, adding that bookies have "slashed the odds of a Tory majority" as a result.
The paper suggests Mr Farage now faces a battle to keep control of his party and is under pressure from senior party figures and donors to go further and withdraw candidates from other key marginals.
Writing a column in the paper, Mr Farage says his decision should "kill off the idea of a second referendum".
Not everyone thinks he's made the right decision, though. "A disgrace to politics" is how one - now former - Brexit Party candidate describes Mr Farage.
The Sun, the Metro and the i all go with a front page photo of Boris Johnson raising a pint.
"Cheers Nige" says the Sun, adding "now help us beat Labour by pulling out of every seat".
The Telegraph suggests that might be a possibility. It quotes a "source close to Mr Farage" saying that "there's no question he could be prepared to do more if he's treated with courtesy by Conservative Party chairman James Cleverly".
The source adds that "the Brexit Party would be happy with 10 sitting MPs to help get Brexit done".
The Guardian's headline reads "Farage urged to give Tories free run at Labour seats".
It reports that senior Tories are "pressing behind the scenes" for further concessions, and says Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP fear that a "secret pact" has been struck between Mr Farage and Mr Johnson in favour of a "hard Brexit" - something that both parties have denied.
"Boris and Farage do Trump deal to stitch up election", is the Daily Mirror's take.
It points out that Mr Farage has changed his position following a call by US President Donald Trump for Leavers to team up, and following the offer of a peerage, which Mr Farage says he turned down.
The paper's editorial says President Trump could be the biggest winner, with Mr Johnson and Mr Farage delivering the NHS and the British food industry into "greedy US hands".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-50383479
Unless you intend to surrender. ?
1. 3 small parties (3rd/6th/7th in the polls) try to band together to try and win 60 seats. This is, according to the papers, anti-democratic, a Remainer alliance that threatens the fabric of the country, blah blah
2. The 4th largest party, whose voters predominantly would vote for the other, more moderate, Right Wing Party, announces it will not stand in all of the Conservative-held seats. It will exist purely to try and take away Labour seats and votes. This is hailed by the Press as great for democracy, but doesn't go far enough, as (apparently) Brexit should also withdraw from Labour marginals that the Conservatives want to target.
3. so, the Party that last won the popular vote (in the EU elections) now exists purely to seek to ensure that a different Party, the current largest, wins.
It is not "goodnight Corbyn". It is goodbye democracy. Meanwhile the Press will continue to portray Labour as the Party attacking our Democracy. I cannot stand Corbyn. He is an ineffectual leader, who dithers on some big issues. But better him than someone intent on destroying our Democracy.
The sooner we have Regions, rather than seats, the better.
The problem has not come from the Remain side. Many prominent Remainers have consistently voted to Leave in Parliament. A particular way of leaving was approved by the House this year. But Boris decided that his need for a Majority was MUCH more important than actually leaving.
Quick question for the Mail/Telegraph readers:-
Who offered Farage a Peerage last week, and why? Still believe there isn't a Con trick somewhere?
We consume 50% of unprocessed food that’s homegrown.
30% of unprocessed food is imported from the EU.
I’d presume the figure for the U.K. could be even higher if the desire was there.
It always comes down to the consumer to make their choice surely?
Some like to go to their butcher, some have packaged/ filmed meat.
Wherever the food comes from, the final decision is with the consumer.
I think that those quoting the will of the people, and talk about democracy, are very selective on their facts.
Our democracy is based on General Elections every five years.
The electorate are able to change their mind, if they are unhappy with a particular Government, and elect a different party at the next election.
So if a Tory Government is elected by the will of the people, and the electorate is unhappy with them, they are able to elect Labour at the next election, and everyone would agree that this would be the new will of the people.
So why is it ok for us to have our 3rd General Election in 4 years, but out of the question to have a second referendum?
This General Election is being described by many as a Brexit election, so if the majority vote in favour of remain parties, does that mean the will of the people has changed?
Those that quote the will of the people seem to have no wish to find a solution?
An election resulting in a hung Parliament will provide no solution, yet another referendum clearly does.
The only thing that will provide a definitive solution is another referendum.
What is the solution if the election results in a hung Parliament?
The fourth General Election in five years?
What happens if we have another, the fifth in 5 years?
Surely we should be keen to find a solution rather than just point to democracy, and the will of the people, while going around in circles?
The real problem is that Brexit is really impossible.
Forget the 17.4 million. There is not a majority in favour of any particular type of Brexit.
I am regularly disappointed by Brexiteer members of the public that are interviewed on telly, and the lack of substance of their arguments. They only seem able to quote 17.4 million people, democracy, get Brexit done etc.
Brexit is a massive mistake that our country will pay for in the years to come.
It is a nonsense.
Our PM has to resort to lies to make any sense of it.
He is even arguing that freedom of movement, and single market access for NI is a great deal.
How can it be a great deal for NI, but not for the rest of the UK?
Brexit seems likely to lead to the break up of the UK, was that the will of the people too?
I think that those that criticise MPs do not appreciate that they are only as split as the electorate that they represent.
Things that effect them directly, without looking at the big picture.
So, my No1 reason to vote for a party is..........
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DRUGS worth more than £200,000 were seized when police raided a staff accommodation building at a leading public school.
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Police seized 3½ kilos of cocaine after raiding staff accommodation at Haberdashers’ Aske’s Boys’ SchoolCredit: © Adam Scott 2007
Caretaker Justin Terry, 45, was arrested during the swoop on the grounds of the £21,000-a-year school in Elstree, Herts.
Cops also arrested a second man — Martin Walsh, 53, of Watford — in Liverpool and seized £37,000 in cash.
Both were charged with drugs offences and remanded in custody.
The first was an undertaking that Boris would not extend the transition period, under any circumstances.
This makes the threat of no deal at the end of next year realistic.
This is exacerbated by the fact that Boris has agreed that any extension must be applied for, at the latest by next Summer.
Many experts feel that the prospect of negotiating a trade deal by then, is improbable, to say the least.
The second demand was for Boris to negotiate a Canada type free trade deal.
Many people on both sides of the argument will say that this will not go far enough.
Where do Nigel Farages demands figure in the will of the people?
A trade deal with the US will not allow close alignment with the EU.
The job of the opposition parties is to scrutinise the legislation, and oppose the Government.
The clue is in the name.
The Tories could only form a Government with the help of the DUP.
The Tories have failed on Brexit through factions of their own party refusing to vote for their own deal.
You cant blame the opposition parties for doing what they are supposed to do.
Many of the Tory rebels voted for Theresa Mays deal on all three occasions, but the ERG didn't.
In fact the PM voted against it twice.
The ERG are Brexit fanatics.
You are surely not expecting business leaders to remain silent about the disastrous effect of Brexit on their businesses?
Are you accusing them of bias when they point out the pitfalls?