A lot of it seems to be ridiculing the UK position....
Example:-we choose not to avail ourselves of the considerable protections of EU purchasing of ventilators. For purely political reasons. Forget whether we should be leaving the EU-we are. Next year. No reason to miss out on an incredible offer this year.
What stats? Are you living in a different universe? Your "stats" are irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Returning to the last point I made.
Please God, none of us need one. But would you rather have use of a respirator that has been tried and tested for years, or a brand new model, that will be tested next week?
London is clearly ahead of the rest of the country. But we are using a "one size fits all" approach, the total opposite of what the experts were saying last week.
We are STILL not testing the very people who we will need to keep many of us healthy. We have a "lockdown" that is less stringent than everywhere else.
The only comparable country where thousands of self-employed workers are free to use the trains and tubes, and are left with little economic alternative but to do so. This Government is making enormous strides to help, but the self-employed are the weak point.
We are approximately 2 weeks behind mainland Europe. But our preparation is way behind. We are still ordering items that have neither been made or tested. And we have no idea whether our health workers are healthy, because our testing lags way behind everywhere else.
There is no correct way to fight this. The first few cases detected in this country, were not the only ones here that were carrying the virus. There were any amount of carriers. You canāt close airports, ports etc , for a handful of detected cases. Folks were moaning about the government bringing them back from that cruise ship. Well,I think the rest of the millions of U.K. citizens wanting to return home from abroad wouldnāt want to see closed airports, would they?
If there are any positive vibes posted by Haysie, can someone message me. TIA.
You may wish to address the following, although I have my doubts?
lucy4 said: Why do most threads on here turn in to a Government/Prime Minister bashing exercise? If all people want to do is criticize and force their own agendas onto everyone else then start a separate thread or post in any of the numerous other anti-government threads. Wouldn't that be called censorship?
Usually people debate differing views on forums.
I will often post articles that I don't necessarily agree with, to encourage debate.
There is nothing wrong a bit of scrolling on forums.
When people defend freedom of speech, they usually say, I might not agree with their views, but I absolutely defend their right to voice them.
We don't live in China, and don't have to defend The Government at all times.
I have not personally criticised The Government much on this thread, although I have posted some articles that have.
Isnt it up to other people to respond by defending The Government.
Shouldn't people be entering into debates about what other people post, rather than just whinging about the post itself.
If I was going to criticise them, it would be for their complete failure to provide NHS staff with adequate protection, and putting them at risk.
I watched a Chief Constable on Sky News this morning, he was being interviewed regarding the travel restriction, during which he made it absolutely clear that he was completely unaware of who should be travelling, and who shouldn't.
How do you police it if the rules aren't clear.
I would criticise them for preaching social distancing, then reducing the size, and frequency of trains, and tubes making this impossible.
I would criticise Boris for trying to con people into thinking this may be over and done with in 12 weeks.
How on earth could that be possible?
They said last week they would increase the testing to 25,000 per day.
The maximum they did was 8,000.
Lets say they do get up to the 25,000.
That means 175,000 per week assuming they test 7 days per week.
By my reckoning that would be just over 2 million tests in 12 weeks.
Only 64 million to go.
I don't claim to be a genius, and have just read the coronavirus headlines.
I may be completely wrong, but it seems to me that you can put an end to this in two mays.
You either develop herd immunity or a vaccine.
A vaccine is apparently going to take 12 to 18 months.
You need around 70% of the population to contract the virus to develop herd immunity.
This makes it difficult for the virus to spread, and stops the spread in big numbers.
Their policy is understandable. Social distancing to restrict the spread, and therefore lower the number of cases, so the NHS is able to cope, while protecting the most vulnerable.
The policy makes it impossible to solve in 12 weeks.
If he stopped the lockdown at the end of 12 weeks, we would get another surge.
I dislike Boris because he is dishonest.
You could ask the 5 million self employed people how they think Boris is looking after them? Then there is the 500,000 new claims for Universal Credit from desperate people that have gone in during the last 9 days. I wont be holding my breath until they are processed.
āA few daysā pay lost is catastrophic for them. And time and time again Government ministers have told us that workers affected by the crisis could get help via Universal Credit. āLast night there were queues of over 110,000 people trying to get on to the DWP system in order to register to apply for Universal Credit. āWill the Prime Minister now put extra resources and funding to boost the DWP capacity and relax the often quite draconian requirements on people claiming so that money gets where itās needed quickly to those people who have got to feed the kids, got to pay the rent, got to survive somehow?ā
Coronavirus: British nationals stranded abroad in 'dire' situation
British nationals unable to return home due to the coronavirus pandemic are in a "dire" situation, a former minister has warned. Tory MP Caroline Nokes said many were stranded as countries closed their borders and airlines cancelled flights. The government's call for people to return home as quickly as possible were like "empty words" to them, she added.
They have been absolutely battered tonight on NewsNight. Matt Hancock has been lying about the number of ventilators that we have. He is saying 12,000. when we only have 8,000. Nine days ago, Boris said we are ramping up testing to 25,000 per day. At the time we were doing around 5,000 per day. We did a total of 6,400 today. NHS staff are still not being tested. NHS staff are using bin bags for aprons. They are using their kids school goggles. The virus is due to peak in the next 2 or 3 weeks. The extra ventilators will not be available before then. They are creating confusion in many areas, particularly in defining key workers. Self employed people with symptons are working.
Peter Kyle brought to light the following at PMQs yesterday.
A 94 year old resident of a care home in his constituency developed the symptons of the virus. A test finally arrived 10 days later. By which time 14 of the 20 residents were exhibiting symptons. Seven of the staff were off sick self isolating. These were agency staff. They had been working in other care homes. None of the protective equipment they had ordered, had arrived. There are 80,000 care homes in the UK.
Boris could only say that testing kits would be available asap. A common theme to the many questions he has been asked.
He seems very short of specifics in many cases.
They have made a big fuss about ordering three and a half million tests. You have to wonder how long these will last with a population of over sixty million. However there is a caveat. They will not be distributing them until they are certain that they work properly.
I can imagine the conversation, We have got the tests, but we are not sure they work properly. Ok we will just order three and a half million then.
You couldn't make it up.
I was just using Madrid as an example, as its the worst area in Spain for cases of the virus.
We do not currently test anyone arriving at our airports.
Why do most threads on here turn in to a Government/Prime Minister bashing exercise? If all people want to do is criticize and force their own agendas onto everyone else then start a separate thread or post in any of the numerous other anti-government threads.
They have been absolutely battered tonight on NewsNight. Matt Hancock has been lying about the number of ventilators that we have. He is saying 12,000. when we only have 8,000. Nine days ago, Boris said we are ramping up testing to 25,000 per day. At the time we were doing around 5,000 per day. We did a total of 6,400 today. NHS staff are still not being tested. NHS staff are using bin bags for aprons. They are using their kids school goggles. The virus is due to peak in the next 2 or 3 weeks. The extra ventilators will not be available before then. They are creating confusion in many areas, particularly in defining key workers. Self employed people with symptons are working.
This has been labeled a war. WW2 took five years. Thereās a million and one things to sort out, same for all countries. Hopefully one day the penny will dropšš¤
A lot of it seems to be ridiculing the UK position....
Example:-we choose not to avail ourselves of the considerable protections of EU purchasing of ventilators. For purely political reasons. Forget whether we should be leaving the EU-we are. Next year. No reason to miss out on an incredible offer this year.
UK buisnesses turning their hands and their technology to ventilators and respirators is a good thing for the U.K. and their workers. Iām well aware Dyson either have or are about to have their head office in Singapore, but their workers are here. There will be a massive world wide demand for respirators for the rest of this year. A greater demand for them than holiday excursions, cars, hoovers , etc.
There is no correct way to fight this. The first few cases detected in this country, were not the only ones here that were carrying the virus. There were any amount of carriers. You canāt close airports, ports etc , for a handful of detected cases. Folks were moaning about the government bringing them back from that cruise ship. Well,I think the rest of the millions of U.K. citizens wanting to return home from abroad wouldnāt want to see closed airports, would they?
If there are any positive vibes posted by Haysie, can someone message me. TIA.
I worry about you on times.
Those that were repatriated from the cruise ships were at least tested, and those that were positive went straight in to quarantine.
It would be fairly easy to test all arrivals at airports, and ports, deny entry to any positive testing foreign nationals, and quarantine any positive testing Brits.
There aren't millions of Brits abroad.
How could anyone moan about Brits returning home provided they were tested, and any that tested positive were sent straight in to quarantine?
Why do most threads on here turn in to a Government/Prime Minister bashing exercise? If all people want to do is criticize and force their own agendas onto everyone else then start a separate thread or post in any of the numerous other anti-government threads.
You could ask the 5 million self employed people how they think Boris is looking after them? Then there is the 500,000 new claims for Universal Credit from desperate people that have gone in during the last 9 days. I wont be holding my breath until they are processed.
So what would you do? What would Labour or another party in government do? Iām waitingš¤
The Government has put a financial package in place, to discourage people from going to work if they have symptons. To make self employed people wait for months before receiving any money will not be successful. Nor those on zero hour contracts. It is taking new applicants for Universal Credit 3 weeks just to get an appointment, then 5 weeks to get any money. Many people with symptons that are faced with a choice of working or not eating, will go to work, and infect others.
Why do most threads on here turn in to a Government/Prime Minister bashing exercise? If all people want to do is criticize and force their own agendas onto everyone else then start a separate thread or post in any of the numerous other anti-government threads.
Abstinence from all media info would surely see Haysies virus clear up.š¤
Actually reading some of the articles posted, may make you a little better informed.
Why do most threads on here turn in to a Government/Prime Minister bashing exercise? If all people want to do is criticize and force their own agendas onto everyone else then start a separate thread or post in any of the numerous other anti-government threads.
Wouldn't that be called censorship?
Usually people debate differing views on forums.
I will often post articles that I don't necessarily agree with, to encourage debate.
There is nothing wrong a bit of scrolling on forums.
When people defend freedom of speech, they usually say, I might not agree with their views, but I absolutely defend their right to voice them.
We don't live in China, and don't have to defend The Government at all times.
I have not personally criticised The Government much on this thread, although I have posted some articles that have.
Isnt it up to other people to respond by defending The Government.
Shouldn't people be entering into debates about what other people post, rather than just whinging about the post itself.
If I was going to criticise them, it would be for their complete failure to provide NHS staff with adequate protection, and putting them at risk.
I watched a Chief Constable on Sky News this morning, he was being interviewed regarding the travel restriction, during which he made it absolutely clear that he was completely unaware of who should be travelling, and who shouldn't.
How do you police it if the rules aren't clear.
I would criticise them for preaching social distancing, then reducing the size, and frequency of trains, and tubes making this impossible.
I would criticise Boris for trying to con people into thinking this may be over and done with in 12 weeks.
How on earth could that be possible?
They said last week they would increase the testing to 25,000 per day.
The maximum they did was 8,000.
Lets say they do get up to the 25,000.
That means 175,000 per week assuming they test 7 days per week.
By my reckoning that would be just over 2 million tests in 12 weeks.
Only 64 million to go.
I don't claim to be a genius, and have just read the coronavirus headlines.
I may be completely wrong, but it seems to me that you can put an end to this in two mays.
You either develop herd immunity or a vaccine.
A vaccine is apparently going to take 12 to 18 months.
You need around 70% of the population to contract the virus to develop herd immunity.
This makes it difficult for the virus to spread, and stops the spread in big numbers.
Their policy is understandable. Social distancing to restrict the spread, and therefore lower the number of cases, so the NHS is able to cope, while protecting the most vulnerable.
The policy makes it impossible to solve in 12 weeks.
If he stopped the lockdown at the end of 12 weeks, we would get another surge.
I dislike Boris because he is dishonest.
If you have access to foreign news stations, they would be well worth viewing.All having the same problem to deal with. Some highly populated poorer nations are likely in for **** on earth. You are too polarized and bitter imo.
I am more concerned about whats happening in the UK.
Although I am sad to see other countries struggling through this.
Why do most threads on here turn in to a Government/Prime Minister bashing exercise? If all people want to do is criticize and force their own agendas onto everyone else then start a separate thread or post in any of the numerous other anti-government threads.
Wouldn't that be called censorship?
Usually people debate differing views on forums.
I will often post articles that I don't necessarily agree with, to encourage debate.
There is nothing wrong a bit of scrolling on forums.
When people defend freedom of speech, they usually say, I might not agree with their views, but I absolutely defend their right to voice them.
We don't live in China, and don't have to defend The Government at all times.
I have not personally criticised The Government much on this thread, although I have posted some articles that have.
Isnt it up to other people to respond by defending The Government.
Shouldn't people be entering into debates about what other people post, rather than just whinging about the post itself.
If I was going to criticise them, it would be for their complete failure to provide NHS staff with adequate protection, and putting them at risk.
I watched a Chief Constable on Sky News this morning, he was being interviewed regarding the travel restriction, during which he made it absolutely clear that he was completely unaware of who should be travelling, and who shouldn't.
How do you police it if the rules aren't clear.
I would criticise them for preaching social distancing, then reducing the size, and frequency of trains, and tubes making this impossible.
I would criticise Boris for trying to con people into thinking this may be over and done with in 12 weeks.
How on earth could that be possible?
They said last week they would increase the testing to 25,000 per day.
The maximum they did was 8,000.
Lets say they do get up to the 25,000.
That means 175,000 per week assuming they test 7 days per week.
By my reckoning that would be just over 2 million tests in 12 weeks.
Only 64 million to go.
I don't claim to be a genius, and have just read the coronavirus headlines.
I may be completely wrong, but it seems to me that you can put an end to this in two mays.
You either develop herd immunity or a vaccine.
A vaccine is apparently going to take 12 to 18 months.
You need around 70% of the population to contract the virus to develop herd immunity.
This makes it difficult for the virus to spread, and stops the spread in big numbers.
Their policy is understandable. Social distancing to restrict the spread, and therefore lower the number of cases, so the NHS is able to cope, while protecting the most vulnerable.
The policy makes it impossible to solve in 12 weeks.
If he stopped the lockdown at the end of 12 weeks, we would get another surge.
I dislike Boris because he is dishonest.
If you have access to foreign news stations, they would be well worth viewing.All having the same problem to deal with. Some highly populated poorer nations are likely in for **** on earth. You are too polarized and bitter imo.
Surely every other country in world is doing a perfect job in fighting the epidemic and it's only the U.K. that are messing things up at every turn...
Some countries have clearly dealt with it far better than others.
Some of the things that our Government has done are unforgiveable.
Boris lying about the 12 week plan, which is clearly not possible.
Matt Hancock attempting to reassure people, by lying about the number of available ventilators.
They are still arguing about who the key workers are.
They have today announced the self employed plan, and if Boris was being accurate on the 12 weeks, they might just about get some money when it is all over.
Jamming people into trains and tubes is pathetic.
The lack of protection for front line NHS staff is criminal, as is the lack of testing.
Comments
Your "stats" are irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Returning to the last point I made.
Please God, none of us need one. But would you rather have use of a respirator that has been tried and tested for years, or a brand new model, that will be tested next week?
London is clearly ahead of the rest of the country. But we are using a "one size fits all" approach, the total opposite of what the experts were saying last week.
We are STILL not testing the very people who we will need to keep many of us healthy.
We have a "lockdown" that is less stringent than everywhere else.
The only comparable country where thousands of self-employed workers are free to use the trains and tubes, and are left with little economic alternative but to do so. This Government is making enormous strides to help, but the self-employed are the weak point.
We are approximately 2 weeks behind mainland Europe. But our preparation is way behind. We are still ordering items that have neither been made or tested. And we have no idea whether our health workers are healthy, because our testing lags way behind everywhere else.
Who knows.
lucy4 said:
Why do most threads on here turn in to a Government/Prime Minister bashing exercise? If all people want to do is criticize and force their own agendas onto everyone else then start a separate thread or post in any of the numerous other anti-government threads.
Wouldn't that be called censorship?
Usually people debate differing views on forums.
I will often post articles that I don't necessarily agree with, to encourage debate.
There is nothing wrong a bit of scrolling on forums.
When people defend freedom of speech, they usually say, I might not agree with their views, but I absolutely defend their right to voice them.
We don't live in China, and don't have to defend The Government at all times.
I have not personally criticised The Government much on this thread, although I have posted some articles that have.
Isnt it up to other people to respond by defending The Government.
Shouldn't people be entering into debates about what other people post, rather than just whinging about the post itself.
If I was going to criticise them, it would be for their complete failure to provide NHS staff with adequate protection, and putting them at risk.
I watched a Chief Constable on Sky News this morning, he was being interviewed regarding the travel restriction, during which he made it absolutely clear that he was completely unaware of who should be travelling, and who shouldn't.
How do you police it if the rules aren't clear.
I would criticise them for preaching social distancing, then reducing the size, and frequency of trains, and tubes making this impossible.
I would criticise Boris for trying to con people into thinking this may be over and done with in 12 weeks.
How on earth could that be possible?
They said last week they would increase the testing to 25,000 per day.
The maximum they did was 8,000.
Lets say they do get up to the 25,000.
That means 175,000 per week assuming they test 7 days per week.
By my reckoning that would be just over 2 million tests in 12 weeks.
Only 64 million to go.
I don't claim to be a genius, and have just read the coronavirus headlines.
I may be completely wrong, but it seems to me that you can put an end to this in two mays.
You either develop herd immunity or a vaccine.
A vaccine is apparently going to take 12 to 18 months.
You need around 70% of the population to contract the virus to develop herd immunity.
This makes it difficult for the virus to spread, and stops the spread in big numbers.
Their policy is understandable. Social distancing to restrict the spread, and therefore lower the number of cases, so the NHS is able to cope, while protecting the most vulnerable.
The policy makes it impossible to solve in 12 weeks.
If he stopped the lockdown at the end of 12 weeks, we would get another surge.
I dislike Boris because he is dishonest.
You could ask the 5 million self employed people how they think Boris is looking after them?
Then there is the 500,000 new claims for Universal Credit from desperate people that have gone in during the last 9 days.
I wont be holding my breath until they are processed.
āA few daysā pay lost is catastrophic for them. And time and time again Government ministers have told us that workers affected by the crisis could get help via Universal Credit.
āLast night there were queues of over 110,000 people trying to get on to the DWP system in order to register to apply for Universal Credit.
āWill the Prime Minister now put extra resources and funding to boost the DWP capacity and relax the often quite draconian requirements on people claiming so that money gets where itās needed quickly to those people who have got to feed the kids, got to pay the rent, got to survive somehow?ā
Coronavirus: British nationals stranded abroad in 'dire' situation
British nationals unable to return home due to the coronavirus pandemic are in a "dire" situation, a former minister has warned.
Tory MP Caroline Nokes said many were stranded as countries closed their borders and airlines cancelled flights.
The government's call for people to return home as quickly as possible were like "empty words" to them, she added.
They have been absolutely battered tonight on NewsNight.
Matt Hancock has been lying about the number of ventilators that we have.
He is saying 12,000. when we only have 8,000.
Nine days ago, Boris said we are ramping up testing to 25,000 per day.
At the time we were doing around 5,000 per day.
We did a total of 6,400 today.
NHS staff are still not being tested.
NHS staff are using bin bags for aprons.
They are using their kids school goggles.
The virus is due to peak in the next 2 or 3 weeks.
The extra ventilators will not be available before then.
They are creating confusion in many areas, particularly in defining key workers.
Self employed people with symptons are working.
Peter Kyle brought to light the following at PMQs yesterday.
A 94 year old resident of a care home in his constituency developed the symptons of the virus.
A test finally arrived 10 days later.
By which time 14 of the 20 residents were exhibiting symptons.
Seven of the staff were off sick self isolating.
These were agency staff.
They had been working in other care homes.
None of the protective equipment they had ordered, had arrived.
There are 80,000 care homes in the UK.
Boris could only say that testing kits would be available asap.
A common theme to the many questions he has been asked.
He seems very short of specifics in many cases.
They have made a big fuss about ordering three and a half million tests.
You have to wonder how long these will last with a population of over sixty million.
However there is a caveat.
They will not be distributing them until they are certain that they work properly.
I can imagine the conversation,
We have got the tests, but we are not sure they work properly.
Ok we will just order three and a half million then.
You couldn't make it up.
I was just using Madrid as an example, as its the worst area in Spain for cases of the virus.
We do not currently test anyone arriving at our airports.
I will not receive a bean, and will suffer from the likely tax increases that will follow.
There will be a massive world wide demand for respirators for the rest of this year.
A greater demand for them than holiday excursions, cars, hoovers , etc.
Please stop your arguments spilling over into all the threads.
The titles of threads should narrow down topics and channel subjects accordingly, I avoid many thread due to this spamming.
Please spot spilling over, I can see why regual posters end up never posting again,
I love lurking in the forums, but this sh1t will drive me away.
stop please.
Those that were repatriated from the cruise ships were at least tested, and those that were positive went straight in to quarantine.
It would be fairly easy to test all arrivals at airports, and ports, deny entry to any positive testing foreign nationals, and quarantine any positive testing Brits.
There aren't millions of Brits abroad.
How could anyone moan about Brits returning home provided they were tested, and any that tested positive were sent straight in to quarantine?
I only post stuff that I believe is true.
To make self employed people wait for months before receiving any money will not be successful.
Nor those on zero hour contracts.
It is taking new applicants for Universal Credit 3 weeks just to get an appointment, then 5 weeks to get any money.
Many people with symptons that are faced with a choice of working or not eating, will go to work, and infect others.
And vice versa I hope. The best way forward.
Although I am sad to see other countries struggling through this.
I swear, im leaving you two, im not joking, its like im invisible.
Hello. im here..hello.
Im filing for divorce.....
TK
As everybody is aware, it only takes one.
@chilling @lucy4 @Essexphil all showing symptoms.
Some of the things that our Government has done are unforgiveable.
Boris lying about the 12 week plan, which is clearly not possible.
Matt Hancock attempting to reassure people, by lying about the number of available ventilators.
They are still arguing about who the key workers are.
They have today announced the self employed plan, and if Boris was being accurate on the 12 weeks, they might just about get some money when it is all over.
Jamming people into trains and tubes is pathetic.
The lack of protection for front line NHS staff is criminal, as is the lack of testing.
The general lack of testing will cost lives.