On a side related issue,a friend of mine works in a care home,he also used to be the manager of a local pub before giving it up.The new owner of the pub asked him to help out by doing a few shifts behind the bar,which he agreed to.He was working the bar when his care home boss came in for a drink and seeing him behind the bar,sacked him on the spot.The care home boss couldn't see the double standards of him thinking it's o.k. to use the pub but not for his employee to be working in the pub.
So what did he sack him for?
I've not heard any update to the sacking but my point was that the care home boss thought it was o.k. for her to socialise in the pub,in fact her and the person in question often go in the pub together,but she deemed it unacceptable for him to work in the pub serving people,for reasons only known to herself.
She could be a power control freak. There’s more to this than meets the eye. Court case in the offing. Maybe he never gave her one on the house.
On a side related issue,a friend of mine works in a care home,he also used to be the manager of a local pub before giving it up.The new owner of the pub asked him to help out by doing a few shifts behind the bar,which he agreed to.He was working the bar when his care home boss came in for a drink and seeing him behind the bar,sacked him on the spot.The care home boss couldn't see the double standards of him thinking it's o.k. to use the pub but not for his employee to be working in the pub.
So what did he sack him for?
I've not heard any update to the sacking but my point was that the care home boss thought it was o.k. for her to socialise in the pub,in fact her and the person in question often go in the pub together,but she deemed it unacceptable for him to work in the pub serving people,for reasons only known to herself.
She could be a power control freak. There’s more to this than meets the eye. Court case in the offing. Maybe he never gave her one on the house.
Oops.
'Hundreds' of people tested for coronavirus after outbreak at local pub
“Hundreds” of people have got tested for coronavirus after an outbreak at a pub in Staffordshire. They turned up to a COVID-19 walk-in centre when pub-goers were urged to get tested following the confirmation of 10 positive cases at the Crown & Anchor in Stone. Health chiefs asked people who had been working or drinking at the pub on July 16, 17, and 18 to get tested. A resident, who did not want to be named, described queues of people at the centre, adding: “Hundreds of people have already been down there, and it only opened this morning.” One individual with a positive result attended a private social gathering, further spreading the virus, Staffordshire County Council said.
The Crown and Anchor confirmed it would be closing to "review our risk assessment in order to deal with the difficulty that we faced with social distancing”. Ayrron Robinson, who lives opposite the pub, said it had been “really busy every weekend” since reopening on 9 July following months of lockdown. He added to the Stoke Sentinel: “Last Saturday, I'd say there were 100 to 200 people there. They were like sardines. It's basically gone back to how it was before lockdown.” In a Facebook post, the pub said it had an “overwhelming amount of people visiting” the establishment on Saturday.
On a side related issue,a friend of mine works in a care home,he also used to be the manager of a local pub before giving it up.The new owner of the pub asked him to help out by doing a few shifts behind the bar,which he agreed to.He was working the bar when his care home boss came in for a drink and seeing him behind the bar,sacked him on the spot.The care home boss couldn't see the double standards of him thinking it's o.k. to use the pub but not for his employee to be working in the pub.
So what did he sack him for?
I've not heard any update to the sacking but my point was that the care home boss thought it was o.k. for her to socialise in the pub,in fact her and the person in question often go in the pub together,but she deemed it unacceptable for him to work in the pub serving people,for reasons only known to herself.
Strange thing to do. Impossible to justify. Although nothing much you can do unless you have been in the job for some time.
On a side related issue,a friend of mine works in a care home,he also used to be the manager of a local pub before giving it up.The new owner of the pub asked him to help out by doing a few shifts behind the bar,which he agreed to.He was working the bar when his care home boss came in for a drink and seeing him behind the bar,sacked him on the spot.The care home boss couldn't see the double standards of him thinking it's o.k. to use the pub but not for his employee to be working in the pub.
So what did he sack him for?
I've not heard any update to the sacking but my point was that the care home boss thought it was o.k. for her to socialise in the pub,in fact her and the person in question often go in the pub together,but she deemed it unacceptable for him to work in the pub serving people,for reasons only known to herself.
She could be a power control freak. There’s more to this than meets the eye. Court case in the offing. Maybe he never gave her one on the house.
10 areas in England with worst coronavirus rates as Oldham overtakes Leicester
It comes as a further 83 people died from the deadly virus across the UK, bringing the official death toll since the start of the pandemic to 45,961. And worrying data shows the number of new cases is no longer falling.
Whoopeeee. That's it, the end. My point was therefore how can the Government advise that it is ok to do so.
Folks coming in and out might account for more traffic than are seated, especially as table numbers might be reduced or spaced out differently. If the folks having a take out are masked up, then at least that would potentially reduce the amount of potential transmission.
Not from those that are seated and unmasked.
If I was having a meal and 50 odd customers came in for take outs during my meal, unmasked, then that would bother me.
The Government have not drawn attention to this, never mind warned against this. Their messages have been completely unclear. It was only last week that 3 Ministers were filmed exiting a sandwich shop, two wore masks, and one didn't. That is as clear as mud.
It has the potential to cut possible transmissions in a restaurant by 50%. Pure guess. Obv not everybody has the virus, but the more footfall inside will increase the likelihood someone has.
The Government are following the science not guesswork, apparently.
Restaurants have different layouts too. It will be down to the owners to see what works best for them. Some restaurants are more popular than others, so if you fall into the vulnerable group, then do research, or make some enquires to see if the restaurant is likely to be busy. I’d presume most will only take bookings?
Havent a clue, but irrelevant to the debate.
From what I can work out,about 50% of the population fall into the vulnerable group. Looks like eating out is a young persons privilege for the foreseeable. They aren’t likely to be bothered too much by any risk, or less so.
More guess work. Do you think that there haven't been any deaths of people who are not in vulnerable groups?
If we follow the science to the T,then most will be wearing masks in their own homes too, especially if some go out often, and live with others.
Nonsense, I think that the overwhelming majority have done exactly what they have been told to do.
The owners of the businesses won’t want to close again, so any reduction in the possible transmission numbers has got to be good for them.
Blindingly obvious.
The science isn’t about preventing the spread, but reducing it.
Hooray.
Or just let the businesses go bust, as some will anyway. Following the science would see everybody wearing the full ensemble, regarding PPE,to any shop etc.
You are completely missing the point. You always seem to find answering any specific question difficult. On Schools, why do you think masks are mandatory in French Schools? Why do you think some UK Schools are insisting on masks? Why do you think a Teacher shouldn't wear a mask at work, sitting down for lunch in a sandwich shop, but have to wear a mask on a bus or a train, on the way to work, shopping in a supermarket after work, on entering a shopping centre on the weekend, but can take it off when entering a cinema, or theatre, even if they were located in the shopping centre. They have to wear one in any shop except for an Opticians. Clear as mud.
Face masks should not be mandatory, says Michael Gove
You should at least watch the last video as it explains the clarity in the way the Government has handled face masks, or not?
This is quite clearly just another thread to have a pop at the government. If you take news from around the world, you’ll find they are having the same problems. Do you seriously think that Gove wearing a mask, or Cummings gallivanting about, makes any difference to what a fairly large part of the UK population are likely to do. A lot of folks stopped watching the news months ago, some never watch the news anyway. The large part is obv referring to large parts of the younger generation. The same age group have been the ones that are responsible for the majority of the transmissions, here and abroad. I’m not sure if it’s a lack of grey matter, or they don’t give a t oss. It seems reasonable to me to give the hospitality sector a chance of survival. Reductions in capacity inside a restaurant means less revenue. So to help restaurants take more revenue, it seems a fair enough option to have takeouts running at the same time. Do restaurants really need to put a sign in the window along the line of ‘ vulnerable not welcome’. I’m getting worried by the amount of folks that need their hands held. Unless of course you need to be told every five minutes that vulnerable still actually means vulnerable. I’m sure those folks in that group are aware of the situation. If there happened to be an instant test, then that would make life easier. Trying to work out how to keep the country running in a pandemic, a worldwide pandemic, must be a nightmare, especially with so many mindless idiots around. It’s taking a cheap shot at the government imo to criticise nearly every bit of advice they give out. No country wants the virus, but they’ll have to put up with it for however long. There are folks in this country that thought the easing was the end of it. 🥳 No😖 Heaven help us! I think they are all in Spain, or about to come back. Must have my holiday! Must have my pint at the pub! Must melt on the beach! Following the science isn’t an equation, it’s information that has to be applied to find what may work for the economy.If a person doesn’t feel safe eating out,then don’t eat out. We are into the economy now, but don’t worry, the focus will soon be back onto saving lives when we get into the autumn and early winter months. It’s odds on a second wave. So before the second wave arrives, spend your money here, and not abroad. Help this country out and not Spain, as they have support coming their way from the EU recovery fund Incidentally, it wouldn’t take much imo to halt flights to Spain, seeing as matey boy wanted discussions on Gibraltar thrown into the mix regarding Brexit. Keep that to yourselves though.🤫 You don’t see many Spaniards in Littlehampton or West Wittering do ya?
So, if you’re vulnerable, eat at home, or go for a picnic. Check the weather first, it’s the UK not Spain.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Research suggests that young kids don’t transmit the virus. I’ve got some info on that, but it involves scrolling. Adults seem to be the better at transmitting the virus. Not exactly an accolade.
This is quite clearly just another thread to have a pop at the government
I think the criticism is justified.
If you take news from around the world, you’ll find they are having the same problems.
I dont really have an interest in what other Government tell their citizens.
Do you seriously think that Gove wearing a mask, or Cummings gallivanting about, makes any difference to what a fairly large part of the UK population are likely to do.
The point is that when The Governments offers advice, and puts rules in place, it can only create confusion when they don't follow their own advice, and obey their own rules. This has been heavily criticised with reference to lockdown rules, social distancing rules, and mask wearing. The Prime Minister who is advising us on how to avoid catching the virus, caught it himself, as did a number of his MPs. How did that happen?
A lot of folks stopped watching the news months ago, some never watch the news anyway.
Have you conducted a poll? If so, how many?
The large part is obv referring to large parts of the younger generation. The same age group have been the ones that are responsible for the majority of the transmissions, here and abroad.
I don't understand. Large part of what?
I’m not sure if it’s a lack of grey matter, or they don’t give a t oss. It seems reasonable to me to give the hospitality sector a chance of survival. Reductions in capacity inside a restaurant means less revenue.
Maybe the current mask wearing rules aren't working. I don't think The Government should offer advice that puts people at risk, without making this absolutely clear.
So to help restaurants take more revenue, it seems a fair enough option to have takeouts running at the same time. Do restaurants really need to put a sign in the window along the line of ‘ vulnerable not welcome’. I’m getting worried by the amount of folks that need their hands held.
So helping restaurants by killing people is ok? I think it is about creating less confusion. Perhaps a sign saying "vulnerable come in for your last meal" could be more to the point? We have seen outbreaks in factories, caravan parks, and pubs, but its early days yet, but maybe The Government advice is not very good.
Unless of course you need to be told every five minutes that vulnerable still actually means vulnerable. I’m sure those folks in that group are aware of the situation. If there happened to be an instant test, then that would make life easier.
You brought up the vulnerable, I hadn't mentioned them. The Government advice differs for vulnerable people. Testing is only really of value in conjunction with a proper tracing system in place. The Government promised a "World Beating" tracing app by 1st June. What happened to that? What happened to the Isle of Wight test?
Trying to work out how to keep the country running in a pandemic, a worldwide pandemic, must be a nightmare, especially with so many mindless idiots around. It’s taking a cheap shot at the government imo to criticise nearly every bit of advice they give out.
You will have to explain how any criticism makes anything more difficult? How do they find out about it? Have they got spies on the Skypoker forum? Would you prefer to live in Russia? Did the PM catch the virus by following his own advice, or by ignoring it? I think the general public gets enraged by a Government that doesn't follow its own advice, obey its own rules, and causes confusion.
No country wants the virus, but they’ll have to put up with it for however long. There are folks in this country that thought the easing was the end of it. 🥳 No😖 Heaven help us! I think they are all in Spain, or about to come back. Must have my holiday! Must have my pint at the pub! Must melt on the beach! Following the science isn’t an equation, it’s information that has to be applied to find what may work for the economy.If a person doesn’t feel safe eating out,then don’t eat out.
I think that this bit is really silly. I wonder about you on times. People didn't go on holiday, or to pubs because The Government put a lockdown in place. They only started booking holidays, and going to pubs, when The Government said it was safe to do so. Many scientists said that it was too early to end the lockdown. Maybe they were right? How can you blame the public for doing stuff that The Government said it was safe to do? I feel like I have been constantly bashing my head against a brick wall, and you just don't seem to get it. I will try once more before giving up. The Government has maintained throughout that they are following the science, and are putting the health of the nation first. I chose to explore this when they brought out the mask wearing rules at the end of the lockdown. The reason for wearing masks is surely to protect yourself and those around you. If they said that you don't need to wear masks into takeaway sandwich shops, that wouldn't make sense, as they have to be worn in other shops. So how can you logically say that you need protection when getting a takeaway, but not when you eat in. Why dont you need protection when eating in? You need a mask when visiting a shop, but not at the opticians, or the dentist. Why is this? I appreciate the impossibility of receiving dental treatment while wearing a mask. Maybe The Government should have highlighted the risks of undergoing dental treatment without a mask? If hundreds of thousands of dentists and opticians are seeing loads of untested patients, then how do you avoid the spread of the virus? Why do you have to wear a mask when sitting next to someone on a plane, but not in a cinema or a theatre? What is different? I must be stupid asking these questions, because you have an aversion to answering them. If I am having a pop at The Government, it is because I believe their advice is confusing, as I said in the first place, and nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise.
We are into the economy now, but don’t worry, the focus will soon be back onto saving lives when we get into the autumn and early winter months. It’s odds on a second wave. So before the second wave arrives, spend your money here, and not abroad.
The Government aren't saying that, they are saying you can take holidays to a limited number of destinations. Maybe they should have made clear that some of their measures are designed to help the economy, but will cost lives. They haven't. They wouldn't dare.
Help this country out and not Spain, as they have support coming their way from the EU recovery fund Incidentally, it wouldn’t take much imo to halt flights to Spain, seeing as matey boy wanted discussions on Gibraltar thrown into the mix regarding Brexit. Keep that to yourselves though.🤫 You don’t see many Spaniards in Littlehampton or West Wittering do ya?
So, if you’re vulnerable, eat at home, or go for a picnic. Check the weather first, it’s the UK not Spain.
The End. I consider this to be gibberish and therefore have no response.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them.
This is not optional. Not wearing masks in some settings is illegal. Although not required in some similar settings. The Government have threatened to impose fines, but haven't put forward a method of policing this. Masks protect the wearer, but also those around them, so it would be stupid to say they are optional.
If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Not according to The Government.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
This bit gets you an award for stating the blindingly obvious.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
Some are fairly easy. Sandwich shops could be stopped from allowing people to eat in. Allow takeaways to be bought by mask wearing members of the public. That would be logical, and clear.
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
You still don't see it. I think some of the rules will increase the number of infections, rather than decrease them, putting hospital capacities at risk. Unless you have an alternative explanation for the recent outbreaks in caravan sites, pubs, factories etc.
If you knew someone who lost a family member, through contracting the virus while eating in a sandwich shop. Who do you think they should blame?
Research suggests that young kids don’t transmit the virus. I’ve got some info on that, but it involves scrolling. Adults seem to be the better at transmitting the virus. Not exactly an accolade.
And?
Older kids still dont have to wear masks in School.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Britain's coronavirus cases rise 14% in a week as experts urge ministers not to panic and say the UK needs to 'learn to live' with the disease - while officials announce 83 more Covid-19 deaths
Department of Health chiefs reported an additional 763 cases, taking the total to 300,692. A further 83 coronavirus deaths were recorded in Britain - taking the total to 45,961.
Whoopeeee. That's it, the end. My point was therefore how can the Government advise that it is ok to do so.
Folks coming in and out might account for more traffic than are seated, especially as table numbers might be reduced or spaced out differently. If the folks having a take out are masked up, then at least that would potentially reduce the amount of potential transmission.
Not from those that are seated and unmasked.
If I was having a meal and 50 odd customers came in for take outs during my meal, unmasked, then that would bother me.
The Government have not drawn attention to this, never mind warned against this. Their messages have been completely unclear. It was only last week that 3 Ministers were filmed exiting a sandwich shop, two wore masks, and one didn't. That is as clear as mud.
It has the potential to cut possible transmissions in a restaurant by 50%. Pure guess. Obv not everybody has the virus, but the more footfall inside will increase the likelihood someone has.
The Government are following the science not guesswork, apparently.
Restaurants have different layouts too. It will be down to the owners to see what works best for them. Some restaurants are more popular than others, so if you fall into the vulnerable group, then do research, or make some enquires to see if the restaurant is likely to be busy. I’d presume most will only take bookings?
Havent a clue, but irrelevant to the debate.
From what I can work out,about 50% of the population fall into the vulnerable group. Looks like eating out is a young persons privilege for the foreseeable. They aren’t likely to be bothered too much by any risk, or less so.
More guess work. Do you think that there haven't been any deaths of people who are not in vulnerable groups?
If we follow the science to the T,then most will be wearing masks in their own homes too, especially if some go out often, and live with others.
Nonsense, I think that the overwhelming majority have done exactly what they have been told to do.
The owners of the businesses won’t want to close again, so any reduction in the possible transmission numbers has got to be good for them.
Blindingly obvious.
The science isn’t about preventing the spread, but reducing it.
Hooray.
Or just let the businesses go bust, as some will anyway. Following the science would see everybody wearing the full ensemble, regarding PPE,to any shop etc.
You are completely missing the point. You always seem to find answering any specific question difficult. On Schools, why do you think masks are mandatory in French Schools? Why do you think some UK Schools are insisting on masks? Why do you think a Teacher shouldn't wear a mask at work, sitting down for lunch in a sandwich shop, but have to wear a mask on a bus or a train, on the way to work, shopping in a supermarket after work, on entering a shopping centre on the weekend, but can take it off when entering a cinema, or theatre, even if they were located in the shopping centre. They have to wear one in any shop except for an Opticians. Clear as mud.
Face masks should not be mandatory, says Michael Gove
You should at least watch the last video as it explains the clarity in the way the Government has handled face masks, or not?
This is quite clearly just another thread to have a pop at the government. If you take news from around the world, you’ll find they are having the same problems. Do you seriously think that Gove wearing a mask, or Cummings gallivanting about, makes any difference to what a fairly large part of the UK population are likely to do. A lot of folks stopped watching the news months ago, some never watch the news anyway. The large part is obv referring to large parts of the younger generation. The same age group have been the ones that are responsible for the majority of the transmissions, here and abroad. I’m not sure if it’s a lack of grey matter, or they don’t give a t oss. It seems reasonable to me to give the hospitality sector a chance of survival. Reductions in capacity inside a restaurant means less revenue. So to help restaurants take more revenue, it seems a fair enough option to have takeouts running at the same time. Do restaurants really need to put a sign in the window along the line of ‘ vulnerable not welcome’. I’m getting worried by the amount of folks that need their hands held. Unless of course you need to be told every five minutes that vulnerable still actually means vulnerable. I’m sure those folks in that group are aware of the situation. If there happened to be an instant test, then that would make life easier. Trying to work out how to keep the country running in a pandemic, a worldwide pandemic, must be a nightmare, especially with so many mindless idiots around. It’s taking a cheap shot at the government imo to criticise nearly every bit of advice they give out. No country wants the virus, but they’ll have to put up with it for however long. There are folks in this country that thought the easing was the end of it. 🥳 No😖 Heaven help us! I think they are all in Spain, or about to come back. Must have my holiday! Must have my pint at the pub! Must melt on the beach! Following the science isn’t an equation, it’s information that has to be applied to find what may work for the economy.If a person doesn’t feel safe eating out,then don’t eat out. We are into the economy now, but don’t worry, the focus will soon be back onto saving lives when we get into the autumn and early winter months. It’s odds on a second wave. So before the second wave arrives, spend your money here, and not abroad. Help this country out and not Spain, as they have support coming their way from the EU recovery fund
Tui to shut 166 high street shops in UK and Ireland
Gosh Haysie, you’re hard work. You are worried about me sometimes? when you are the one opening up threads criticising the government at every corner, never having a day off. Do you think everybody voted labour or for other opposition parties on this site. I was going to put up some thoughts on satire,from folks that are far more informed on that subject than I am. I’m guilty of two or three on here,hands up, but there’s a limit to everything. Some regard it as in poor taste, nasty and offensive, as Charlie Hebdo found out to his cost. Very similar to bullying imo. Save that for another time though.
You don’t have any interest in what other governments tell their citizens? There’s no need to ask why French kids are wearing masks then, is there.
So you think that by practising their advice to the T, transmission rates will fall dramatically? I’d doubt that, knowing the mentality of some UK citizens. Boris caught the virus as cases were peaking, not exactly a total surprise, seeing as the government had a lot on its plate, and at that time knowing far less than we know now about the virus. They had more of a workload on at that time than most in this country. I’ll give him some slack on that.
News watching. General chats with folks and social media indicate to me that folks turn off or aren’t interested in keeping up to date. The relentless grilling on a subject that few had the answers to,including around the world, had folks disengage with following the latest advice, and the monotony of the questions. I won’t be doing a poll, just ear to the ground.
So helping restaurants with the chance of killing people is ok? There’s a risk in most places. It’s an attempt to get back to some sort of normality. This is what is happening abroad, but you’re not interested about what is happening elsewhere, unless it involves Brexit.
Government promised a world beating app.
Well, the intention was there,but as other countries have found, not that easy to implement. Some times you get called and don’t have the goods, that’s life,and poker.
Folks refer to how wonderfully well Germany has done. The Bandits. To try and control the outbreak in China, some western countries sent PPE to China. When the penny dropped, Germany started buying up as much PPE as they could get their hands on, and that’s why they were furious about other EU countries closing their borders. They wanted their deliveries, s od the other EU countries. Which then leads to less transmissions in their hospitals, which other countries around the world soon found out to be the area that was the major problem. Which isnt surprising, seeing as that’s where the sick were taken. I pointed out at the start that there was a world shortage of PPE. Everybody was talking ventilators at that time, as if that was priority. So, Germany were always in a better position regarding transmission rates in hospitals. Although, they also didn’t acknowledge the risks in their care sectors. All this adds up to having less cases in their country from the outset, if comparing it with certain other countries.
You think the public gets enraged by the government not following its own advice? Have you done a poll?
For some reason you seem to think our government should be far smarter or a ways ahead of other leaders. Don’t bang your head against a brick wall, now that’s sound advice.
Me bubbly battered cod is ready, need to go. Just cod,no chips.
Putting up stuff about job losses will be quite depressing. Most people know the score. Or maybe some don’t !
Make your mind up.
Maybe lots of people have taken your advice and aren't travelling abroad.
Hence the loss of many thousands of jobs at airlines and the travel industry.
Nail on the head. You’re into the blame game ha ha.
It would be mighty interesting to see what you would have done if you were PM at the beginning of the year, and also your opinions on the way forward.
Lack of PPE all around the world, lack of testing facilities in most parts of the world at the outset.
I’d like to hear your views from the outset when the virus appeared here, whenever that was. When putting in orders for PPE , that was being fought over by countries due to shortages. Not even knowing who you are dealing with, as so many cowboy outfits were set up in the East. Even the USA were over there try to acquire PPE.
Enough criticism, let’s have some ideas from you. And you have the benefit of hindsight.
You’re so concerned about job loses, that you would prefer the restaurants to stay closed. Ha ha again.
And I think you must be living in a different country to me.
You are worried about me sometimes? when you are the one opening up threads criticising the government at every corner, never having a day off.
I think that amounts to two threads. It just so happens that many people don't think that The Government has performed well in regard to Brexit, or the virus. Borises popularity is at an all time low, and a minority feel The Government have performed well over the virus. A no-deal Brexit would really put the tin hat on it.
Do you think everybody voted labour or for other opposition parties on this site.
I don't know how they voted, but they are welcome to post their views.
I was going to put up some thoughts on satire,from folks that are far more informed on that subject than I am. I’m guilty of two or three on here,hands up, but there’s a limit to everything.
Guilty of two or three what?
Some regard it as in poor taste, nasty and offensive, as Charlie Hebdo found out to his cost.
What is? You might be surprised to know that Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine, rather than a person. It means Charlie Weekly. Are you suggesting that Skypoker may be attacked by some militant terrorists, over publishing a couple of Boris cartoons? When did that happen last in this country?
Very similar to bullying imo. Save that for another time though.
What is similar to bullying?
You don’t have any interest in what other governments tell their citizens? There’s no need to ask why French kids are wearing masks then, is there.
Why are they?
So you think that by practising their advice to the T, transmission rates will fall dramatically?
Wasn't that the point of the lockdown?
I’d doubt that, knowing the mentality of some UK citizens.
They did though during the lockdown?
Boris caught the virus as cases were peaking, not exactly a total surprise, seeing as the government had a lot on its plate, and at that time knowing far less than we know now about the virus. They had more of a workload on at that time than most in this country. I’ll give him some slack on that.
Absolute nonsense. He couldn't stop himself shaking hands. Many people observed the rules and didn't catch the virus. He is our leader and as such should set an example. He cant even keep his own family, or staff under control.
News watching. General chats with folks and social media indicate to me that folks turn off or aren’t interested in keeping up to date. The relentless grilling on a subject that few had the answers to,including around the world, had folks disengage with following the latest advice, and the monotony of the questions. I won’t be doing a poll, just ear to the ground.
Maybe you should be advising The Government? You should apply for the spokespersons job?
So helping restaurants with the chance of killing people is ok? There’s a risk in most places. It’s an attempt to get back to some sort of normality. This is what is happening abroad, but you’re not interested about what is happening elsewhere, unless it involves Brexit.
So do you think that increasing deaths by encouraging people to eat in restaurants, and coffee shops is a good idea?
Government promised a world beating app.by June 1st
Well, the intention was there,but as other countries have found, not that easy to implement. Some times you get called and don’t have the goods, that’s life,and poker.
The truth is that there was an app available that was up and running, and working. They chose to build their own. Where is it?
Folks refer to how wonderfully well Germany has done. The Bandits.
Bandits?
To try and control the outbreak in China, some western countries sent PPE to China. When the penny dropped, Germany started buying up as much PPE as they could get their hands on, and that’s why they were furious about other EU countries closing their borders. They wanted their deliveries, s od the other EU countries. Which then leads to less transmissions in their hospitals, which other countries around world soon found out to be the area that was the major problem. Which isnt surprising, seeing as that’s where the sick were taken. I pointed out at the start that there was a world shortage of PPE. Everybody was talking ventilators at that time, as if that was priority. So, Germany were always in a better position regarding transmission rates in hospitals. Although, they also didn’t acknowledge the risks in their care sectors. All this adds up to having less cases in their country from the outset, if comparing it with certain other countries.
It is writing stuff like that makes me wonder about you? Our Government completely screwed up the PPE. They spent millions buying unsuitable PPE from a Turkish tee-shirt salesman. They failed to supply care homes, and many hospitals properly. They have cost thousands of lives through, The PPE shortage. Discharging 25,000 untested patients from hospitals into care homes. Locking down too late. The fiasco of the testing. The lack of tracing. Etc. Etc. What they have done efficiently is a much shorter list.
You think the public gets enraged by the government not following its own advice? Have you done a poll?
No but I read the papers, watch the news, and have seen the results of some polls. You seem oblivious to all of it.
For some reason you seem to think our government should be far smarter or a ways ahead of other leaders. Don’t bang your head against a brick wall, now that’s sound advice.
England has the highest excess death rate in Europe. Although I wouldn't expect you to accept that is a reflection of how The Government has dealt with the virus?
Me bubbly battered cod is ready, need to go. Just cod,no chips.
Coronavirus: England had highest excess death rate in Europe over first half of 2020, ONS says Scientists say the figures are the most important relative measure of the COVID-19 pandemic's impact.
England suffered the highest levels of excess deaths of any country in Europe over the first half of 2020, the Office for National Statistics has said.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Coronavirus: New lockdown restrictions put in place in parts of north of England following spike in Covid transmission
New restrictions barring different households from meeting indoors in homes, pubs and restaurants are being introduced in Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire and east Lancashire following increased rates of coronavirus transmission in the areas. The restrictions, which come into effect from midnight tonight, cover all of Greater Manchester as well as the local authority areas of Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Hyndburn, Pendle, Rossendale, Bradford, Calderdale and Kirklees. The same restrictions will apply to the City of Leicester.
In these areas, separate households will be allowed to meet only out of doors, health secretary Matt Hancock announced. Mr Hancock said: "We're constantly looking at the latest data on the spread of coronavirus, and unfortunately we've seen an increasing rate of transmission in parts of Northern England.
Putting up stuff about job losses will be quite depressing. Most people know the score. Or maybe some don’t !
Why is the government insisting no one knew about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19?
Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson have both contradicted SAGE evidence about asymptomatic coronavirus transmission at the beginning of the outbreak. (Christopher Furlong/pool via Reuters)
So, what’s the truth? In fact, Johnson and Hancock’s comments contradict evidence provided by its top scientists at the beginning of the outbreak. The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) was warning about asymptomatic transmission as far back as 28 January, three days before the UK’s first two coronavirus cases were confirmed. Minutes for a SAGE meeting on that day read: “There is limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission, but early indications imply some is occurring.”
Furthermore, past coronaviruses are known to have spread asymptomatically.
Care homes ‘thrown to the wolves’ Hancock’s comments about asymptomatic transmission came a day after Downing Street was accused of throwing care homes “to the wolves”. Advising hospitals to discharge thousands of patients into care homes without knowing if they had COVID-19 was a “reckless” and “appalling” policy error, a House of Commons report said.
Discharging around 25,000 patients to free up beds was an example of the government’s “slow, inconsistent and at times negligent” approach to social care, the cross-party public accounts committee said. It added it was “concerned” the Hancock-led Department of Health continued with the policy “even once it was clear there was an emerging problem”. Hospitals in England were asked on March 17 to discharge patients, but patients did not require a coronavirus test prior to discharge until April 15.
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There’s more to this than meets the eye.
Court case in the offing.
Maybe he never gave her one on the house.
'Hundreds' of people tested for coronavirus after outbreak at local pub
“Hundreds” of people have got tested for coronavirus after an outbreak at a pub in Staffordshire.
They turned up to a COVID-19 walk-in centre when pub-goers were urged to get tested following the confirmation of 10 positive cases at the Crown & Anchor in Stone.
Health chiefs asked people who had been working or drinking at the pub on July 16, 17, and 18 to get tested.
A resident, who did not want to be named, described queues of people at the centre, adding: “Hundreds of people have already been down there, and it only opened this morning.”
One individual with a positive result attended a private social gathering, further spreading the virus, Staffordshire County Council said.
The Crown and Anchor confirmed it would be closing to "review our risk assessment in order to deal with the difficulty that we faced with social distancing”.
Ayrron Robinson, who lives opposite the pub, said it had been “really busy every weekend” since reopening on 9 July following months of lockdown.
He added to the Stoke Sentinel: “Last Saturday, I'd say there were 100 to 200 people there. They were like sardines. It's basically gone back to how it was before lockdown.”
In a Facebook post, the pub said it had an “overwhelming amount of people visiting” the establishment on Saturday.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/crown-anchor-pub-stone-staffordshire-coronavirus-135545041.html
Impossible to justify.
Although nothing much you can do unless you have been in the job for some time.
It comes as a further 83 people died from the deadly virus across the UK, bringing the official death toll since the start of the pandemic to 45,961.
And worrying data shows the number of new cases is no longer falling.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/10-areas-in-england-with-worst-coronavirus-rates-as-oldham-overtakes-leicester/ar-BB17kEqd?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
If you take news from around the world, you’ll find they are having the same problems.
Do you seriously think that Gove wearing a mask, or Cummings gallivanting about, makes any difference to what a fairly large part of the UK population are likely to do. A lot of folks stopped watching the news months ago, some never watch the news anyway.
The large part is obv referring to large parts of the younger generation.
The same age group have been the ones that are responsible for the majority of the transmissions, here and abroad.
I’m not sure if it’s a lack of grey matter, or they don’t give a t oss.
It seems reasonable to me to give the hospitality sector a chance of survival.
Reductions in capacity inside a restaurant means less revenue.
So to help restaurants take more revenue, it seems a fair enough option to have takeouts running at the same time. Do restaurants really need to put a sign in the window along the line of ‘ vulnerable not welcome’. I’m getting worried by the amount of folks that need their hands held.
Unless of course you need to be told every five minutes that vulnerable still actually means vulnerable. I’m sure those folks in that group are aware of the situation.
If there happened to be an instant test, then that would make life easier.
Trying to work out how to keep the country running in a pandemic, a worldwide pandemic, must be a nightmare, especially with so many mindless idiots around.
It’s taking a cheap shot at the government imo to criticise nearly every bit of advice they give out.
No country wants the virus, but they’ll have to put up with it for however long.
There are folks in this country that thought the easing was the end of it. 🥳 No😖
Heaven help us! I think they are all in Spain, or about to come back.
Must have my holiday! Must have my pint at the pub! Must melt on the beach!
Following the science isn’t an equation, it’s information that has to be applied to find what may work for the economy.If a person doesn’t feel safe eating out,then don’t eat out.
We are into the economy now, but don’t worry, the focus will soon be back onto saving lives when we get into the autumn and early winter months. It’s odds on a second wave.
So before the second wave arrives, spend your money here, and not abroad.
Help this country out and not Spain, as they have support coming their way from the EU recovery fund
Incidentally, it wouldn’t take much imo to halt flights to Spain, seeing as matey boy wanted discussions on Gibraltar thrown into the mix regarding Brexit. Keep that to yourselves though.🤫
You don’t see many Spaniards in Littlehampton or West Wittering do ya?
So, if you’re vulnerable, eat at home, or go for a picnic.
Check the weather first, it’s the UK not Spain.
The End.
If they choose to wear them, let them.
If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything.
But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
I’ve got some info on that, but it involves scrolling.
Adults seem to be the better at transmitting the virus. Not exactly an accolade.
I think the criticism is justified.
If you take news from around the world, you’ll find they are having the same problems.
I dont really have an interest in what other Government tell their citizens.
Do you seriously think that Gove wearing a mask, or Cummings gallivanting about, makes any difference to what a fairly large part of the UK population are likely to do.
The point is that when The Governments offers advice, and puts rules in place, it can only create confusion when they don't follow their own advice, and obey their own rules.
This has been heavily criticised with reference to lockdown rules, social distancing rules, and mask wearing.
The Prime Minister who is advising us on how to avoid catching the virus, caught it himself, as did a number of his MPs.
How did that happen?
A lot of folks stopped watching the news months ago, some never watch the news anyway.
Have you conducted a poll?
If so, how many?
The large part is obv referring to large parts of the younger generation.
The same age group have been the ones that are responsible for the majority of the transmissions, here and abroad.
I don't understand.
Large part of what?
I’m not sure if it’s a lack of grey matter, or they don’t give a t oss.
It seems reasonable to me to give the hospitality sector a chance of survival.
Reductions in capacity inside a restaurant means less revenue.
Maybe the current mask wearing rules aren't working.
I don't think The Government should offer advice that puts people at risk, without making this absolutely clear.
So to help restaurants take more revenue, it seems a fair enough option to have takeouts running at the same time. Do restaurants really need to put a sign in the window along the line of ‘ vulnerable not welcome’. I’m getting worried by the amount of folks that need their hands held.
So helping restaurants by killing people is ok?
I think it is about creating less confusion.
Perhaps a sign saying "vulnerable come in for your last meal" could be more to the point?
We have seen outbreaks in factories, caravan parks, and pubs, but its early days yet, but maybe The Government advice is not very good.
Unless of course you need to be told every five minutes that vulnerable still actually means vulnerable. I’m sure those folks in that group are aware of the situation.
If there happened to be an instant test, then that would make life easier.
You brought up the vulnerable, I hadn't mentioned them.
The Government advice differs for vulnerable people.
Testing is only really of value in conjunction with a proper tracing system in place.
The Government promised a "World Beating" tracing app by 1st June.
What happened to that?
What happened to the Isle of Wight test?
Trying to work out how to keep the country running in a pandemic, a worldwide pandemic, must be a nightmare, especially with so many mindless idiots around.
It’s taking a cheap shot at the government imo to criticise nearly every bit of advice they give out.
You will have to explain how any criticism makes anything more difficult?
How do they find out about it?
Have they got spies on the Skypoker forum?
Would you prefer to live in Russia?
Did the PM catch the virus by following his own advice, or by ignoring it?
I think the general public gets enraged by a Government that doesn't follow its own advice, obey its own rules, and causes confusion.
No country wants the virus, but they’ll have to put up with it for however long.
There are folks in this country that thought the easing was the end of it. 🥳 No😖
Heaven help us! I think they are all in Spain, or about to come back.
Must have my holiday! Must have my pint at the pub! Must melt on the beach!
Following the science isn’t an equation, it’s information that has to be applied to find what may work for the economy.If a person doesn’t feel safe eating out,then don’t eat out.
I think that this bit is really silly.
I wonder about you on times.
People didn't go on holiday, or to pubs because The Government put a lockdown in place.
They only started booking holidays, and going to pubs, when The Government said it was safe to do so.
Many scientists said that it was too early to end the lockdown.
Maybe they were right?
How can you blame the public for doing stuff that The Government said it was safe to do?
I feel like I have been constantly bashing my head against a brick wall, and you just don't seem to get it.
I will try once more before giving up.
The Government has maintained throughout that they are following the science, and are putting the health of the nation first.
I chose to explore this when they brought out the mask wearing rules at the end of the lockdown.
The reason for wearing masks is surely to protect yourself and those around you.
If they said that you don't need to wear masks into takeaway sandwich shops, that wouldn't make sense, as they have to be worn in other shops.
So how can you logically say that you need protection when getting a takeaway, but not when you eat in.
Why dont you need protection when eating in?
You need a mask when visiting a shop, but not at the opticians, or the dentist.
Why is this?
I appreciate the impossibility of receiving dental treatment while wearing a mask.
Maybe The Government should have highlighted the risks of undergoing dental treatment without a mask?
If hundreds of thousands of dentists and opticians are seeing loads of untested patients, then how do you avoid the spread of the virus?
Why do you have to wear a mask when sitting next to someone on a plane, but not in a cinema or a theatre?
What is different?
I must be stupid asking these questions, because you have an aversion to answering them.
If I am having a pop at The Government, it is because I believe their advice is confusing, as I said in the first place, and nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise.
We are into the economy now, but don’t worry, the focus will soon be back onto saving lives when we get into the autumn and early winter months. It’s odds on a second wave.
So before the second wave arrives, spend your money here, and not abroad.
The Government aren't saying that, they are saying you can take holidays to a limited number of destinations.
Maybe they should have made clear that some of their measures are designed to help the economy, but will cost lives.
They haven't.
They wouldn't dare.
Help this country out and not Spain, as they have support coming their way from the EU recovery fund
Incidentally, it wouldn’t take much imo to halt flights to Spain, seeing as matey boy wanted discussions on Gibraltar thrown into the mix regarding Brexit. Keep that to yourselves though.🤫
You don’t see many Spaniards in Littlehampton or West Wittering do ya?
So, if you’re vulnerable, eat at home, or go for a picnic.
Check the weather first, it’s the UK not Spain.
The End.
I consider this to be gibberish and therefore have no response.
I think some of the rules will increase the number of infections, rather than decrease them, putting hospital capacities at risk.
Unless you have an alternative explanation for the recent outbreaks in caravan sites, pubs, factories etc.
If you knew someone who lost a family member, through contracting the virus while eating in a sandwich shop.
Who do you think they should blame?
Older kids still dont have to wear masks in School.
Department of Health chiefs reported an additional 763 cases, taking the total to 300,692. A further 83 coronavirus deaths were recorded in Britain - taking the total to 45,961.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
You are worried about me sometimes? when you are the one opening up threads criticising the government at every corner, never having a day off.
Do you think everybody voted labour or for other opposition parties on this site.
I was going to put up some thoughts on satire,from folks that are far more informed on that subject than I am. I’m guilty of two or three on here,hands up, but there’s a limit to everything.
Some regard it as in poor taste, nasty and offensive, as Charlie Hebdo found out to his cost.
Very similar to bullying imo. Save that for another time though.
You don’t have any interest in what other governments tell their citizens?
There’s no need to ask why French kids are wearing masks then, is there.
So you think that by practising their advice to the T, transmission rates will fall dramatically?
I’d doubt that, knowing the mentality of some UK citizens.
Boris caught the virus as cases were peaking, not exactly a total surprise, seeing as the government had a lot on its plate, and at that time knowing far less than we know now about the virus. They had more of a workload on at that time than most in this country. I’ll give him some slack on that.
News watching.
General chats with folks and social media indicate to me that folks turn off or aren’t interested in keeping up to date. The relentless grilling on a subject that few had the answers to,including around the world, had folks disengage with following the latest advice, and the monotony of the questions. I won’t be doing a poll, just ear to the ground.
So helping restaurants with the chance of killing people is ok?
There’s a risk in most places. It’s an attempt to get back to some sort of normality.
This is what is happening abroad, but you’re not interested about what is happening elsewhere, unless it involves Brexit.
Government promised a world beating app.
Well, the intention was there,but as other countries have found, not that easy to implement.
Some times you get called and don’t have the goods, that’s life,and poker.
Folks refer to how wonderfully well Germany has done. The Bandits.
To try and control the outbreak in China, some western countries sent PPE to China.
When the penny dropped, Germany started buying up as much PPE as they could get their hands on, and that’s why they were furious about other EU countries closing their borders.
They wanted their deliveries, s od the other EU countries.
Which then leads to less transmissions in their hospitals, which other countries around the world soon found out to be the area that was the major problem. Which isnt surprising, seeing as that’s where the sick were taken.
I pointed out at the start that there was a world shortage of PPE. Everybody was talking ventilators at that time, as if that was priority.
So, Germany were always in a better position regarding transmission rates in hospitals.
Although, they also didn’t acknowledge the risks in their care sectors.
All this adds up to having less cases in their country from the outset, if comparing it with certain other countries.
You think the public gets enraged by the government not following its own advice?
Have you done a poll?
For some reason you seem to think our government should be far smarter or a ways ahead of other leaders. Don’t bang your head against a brick wall, now that’s sound advice.
Me bubbly battered cod is ready, need to go.
Just cod,no chips.
Most people know the score.
Or maybe some don’t !
Maybe lots of people have taken your advice and aren't travelling abroad.
Hence the loss of many thousands of jobs at airlines and the travel industry.
You’re into the blame game ha ha.
It would be mighty interesting to see what you would have done if you were PM at the beginning of the year, and also your opinions on the way forward.
Lack of PPE all around the world, lack of testing facilities in most parts of the world at the outset.
I’d like to hear your views from the outset when the virus appeared here, whenever that was.
When putting in orders for PPE , that was being fought over by countries due to shortages.
Not even knowing who you are dealing with, as so many cowboy outfits were set up in the East.
Even the USA were over there try to acquire PPE.
Enough criticism, let’s have some ideas from you.
And you have the benefit of hindsight.
You’re so concerned about job loses, that you would prefer the restaurants to stay closed. Ha ha again.
Scientists say the figures are the most important relative measure of the COVID-19 pandemic's impact.
England suffered the highest levels of excess deaths of any country in Europe over the first half of 2020, the Office for National Statistics has said.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-england-had-highest-excess-deaths-in-europe-over-first-half-of-2020-ons-says-12038964
New restrictions barring different households from meeting indoors in homes, pubs and restaurants are being introduced in Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire and east Lancashire following increased rates of coronavirus transmission in the areas.
The restrictions, which come into effect from midnight tonight, cover all of Greater Manchester as well as the local authority areas of Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Hyndburn, Pendle, Rossendale, Bradford, Calderdale and Kirklees. The same restrictions will apply to the City of Leicester.
In these areas, separate households will be allowed to meet only out of doors, health secretary Matt Hancock announced.
Mr Hancock said: "We're constantly looking at the latest data on the spread of coronavirus, and unfortunately we've seen an increasing rate of transmission in parts of Northern England.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-new-lockdown-restrictions-put-in-place-in-parts-of-north-of-england-following-spike-in-covid-transmission/ar-BB17nWp0?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson have both contradicted SAGE evidence about asymptomatic coronavirus transmission at the beginning of the outbreak. (Christopher Furlong/pool via Reuters)
So, what’s the truth?
In fact, Johnson and Hancock’s comments contradict evidence provided by its top scientists at the beginning of the outbreak.
The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) was warning about asymptomatic transmission as far back as 28 January, three days before the UK’s first two coronavirus cases were confirmed.
Minutes for a SAGE meeting on that day read: “There is limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission, but early indications imply some is occurring.”
Furthermore, past coronaviruses are known to have spread asymptomatically.
Care homes ‘thrown to the wolves’
Hancock’s comments about asymptomatic transmission came a day after Downing Street was accused of throwing care homes “to the wolves”.
Advising hospitals to discharge thousands of patients into care homes without knowing if they had COVID-19 was a “reckless” and “appalling” policy error, a House of Commons report said.
Discharging around 25,000 patients to free up beds was an example of the government’s “slow, inconsistent and at times negligent” approach to social care, the cross-party public accounts committee said.
It added it was “concerned” the Hancock-led Department of Health continued with the policy “even once it was clear there was an emerging problem”.
Hospitals in England were asked on March 17 to discharge patients, but patients did not require a coronavirus test prior to discharge until April 15.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-asymptomatic-boris-johnson-matt-hancock-175349361.html