Research suggests that young kids don’t transmit the virus. I’ve got some info on that, but it involves scrolling. Adults seem to be the better at transmitting the virus. Not exactly an accolade.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Confused, you're not alone! Fewer than HALF of us now know what the lockdown rules actually are, compared with 90% in March
University College London researchers found that only 45 per cent of people in England understand the lockdown rules, compared with 90 per cent understanding the rules in March.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Confused, you're not alone! Fewer than HALF of us now know what the lockdown rules actually are, compared with 90% in March
University College London researchers found that only 45 per cent of people in England understand the lockdown rules, compared with 90 per cent understanding the rules in March.
The vulnerable will always be vulnerable. If folks struggled with’ stay alert’ , just two words, then a list of advice or rule changes will be lost on them, as things open up and close down again. Maybe reduce the message to one word.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Confused, you're not alone! Fewer than HALF of us now know what the lockdown rules actually are, compared with 90% in March
University College London researchers found that only 45 per cent of people in England understand the lockdown rules, compared with 90 per cent understanding the rules in March.
The vulnerable will always be vulnerable. If folks struggled with’ stay alert’ , just two words, then a list of advice or rule changes will be lost on them, as things open up and close down again. Maybe reduce the message to one word.
Less people understand because The Government are confusing people.
Boris is backtracking again after reading some of my posts.
This creates more confusion, as many people don't know if they are coming or going.
The following must have seemed blindingly obvious to many people, but not you.
Face masks to become mandatory in more indoor settings from August 8
Wearing face masks will become mandatory in more indoor spaces from next weekend, Boris Johnson announced today. Face coverings will be mandatory in indoor settings where people are likely to come into contact with people they do not know, such as museums, places of worship and cinemas, from August 8. The prime minister added that the new guidelines will be enforceable by law.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them.
This is not optional. Not wearing masks in some settings is illegal. Although not required in some similar settings. The Government have threatened to impose fines, but haven't put forward a method of policing this. Masks protect the wearer, but also those around them, so it would be stupid to say they are optional.
If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Not according to The Government.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
This bit gets you an award for stating the blindingly obvious.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
Some are fairly easy. Sandwich shops could be stopped from allowing people to eat in. Allow takeaways to be bought by mask wearing members of the public. That would be logical, and clear.
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
You still don't see it. I think some of the rules will increase the number of infections, rather than decrease them, putting hospital capacities at risk. Unless you have an alternative explanation for the recent outbreaks in caravan sites, pubs, factories etc.
If you knew someone who lost a family member, through contracting the virus while eating in a sandwich shop. Who do you think they should blame?
You don’t seem to be able to get your mind around the fact that the virus is here to stay, for the foreseeable. More transmissions, more deaths resulting.( highly likely to be the 1% or 2% death rate ) A long drawn out herd immunity, although not announced, seems to be the line being taken by most countries. There doesn’t seem to be any other choice. Countries are just playing their health sectors.
Putting up stuff about job losses will be quite depressing. Most people know the score. Or maybe some don’t !
Why is the government insisting no one knew about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19?
Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson have both contradicted SAGE evidence about asymptomatic coronavirus transmission at the beginning of the outbreak. (Christopher Furlong/pool via Reuters)
So, what’s the truth? In fact, Johnson and Hancock’s comments contradict evidence provided by its top scientists at the beginning of the outbreak. The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) was warning about asymptomatic transmission as far back as 28 January, three days before the UK’s first two coronavirus cases were confirmed. Minutes for a SAGE meeting on that day read: “There is limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission, but early indications imply some is occurring.”
Furthermore, past coronaviruses are known to have spread asymptomatically.
Care homes ‘thrown to the wolves’ Hancock’s comments about asymptomatic transmission came a day after Downing Street was accused of throwing care homes “to the wolves”. Advising hospitals to discharge thousands of patients into care homes without knowing if they had COVID-19 was a “reckless” and “appalling” policy error, a House of Commons report said.
Discharging around 25,000 patients to free up beds was an example of the government’s “slow, inconsistent and at times negligent” approach to social care, the cross-party public accounts committee said. It added it was “concerned” the Hancock-led Department of Health continued with the policy “even once it was clear there was an emerging problem”. Hospitals in England were asked on March 17 to discharge patients, but patients did not require a coronavirus test prior to discharge until April 15.
Whether the government knew or not about asymptomatic transmissions, knowing wouldn’t have made one jot of a difference to the initial outbreak. Countries lacked testing capabilities.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them.
This is not optional. Not wearing masks in some settings is illegal. Although not required in some similar settings. The Government have threatened to impose fines, but haven't put forward a method of policing this. Masks protect the wearer, but also those around them, so it would be stupid to say they are optional.
If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Not according to The Government.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
This bit gets you an award for stating the blindingly obvious.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
Some are fairly easy. Sandwich shops could be stopped from allowing people to eat in. Allow takeaways to be bought by mask wearing members of the public. That would be logical, and clear.
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
You still don't see it. I think some of the rules will increase the number of infections, rather than decrease them, putting hospital capacities at risk. Unless you have an alternative explanation for the recent outbreaks in caravan sites, pubs, factories etc.
If you knew someone who lost a family member, through contracting the virus while eating in a sandwich shop. Who do you think they should blame?
You don’t seem to be able to get your mind around the fact that the virus is here to stay, for the foreseeable. More transmissions, more deaths resulting.( highly likely to be the 1% or 2% death rate ) A long drawn out herd immunity, although not announced, seems to be the line being taken by most countries. There doesn’t seem to be any other choice. Countries are just playing their health sectors.
I really cant see what your point is.
This thread is entitled confusion, and dedicated to the confusion caused by The Government.
Boris has backtracked today on the mask wearing.
You have to wear masks today in places where, yesterday, you didn't have to.
As I suggested.
More confusion on a daily basis.
If they have done such a good job, them why do England have the highest rate of excess deaths in Europe?
Putting up stuff about job losses will be quite depressing. Most people know the score. Or maybe some don’t !
Why is the government insisting no one knew about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19?
Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson have both contradicted SAGE evidence about asymptomatic coronavirus transmission at the beginning of the outbreak. (Christopher Furlong/pool via Reuters)
So, what’s the truth? In fact, Johnson and Hancock’s comments contradict evidence provided by its top scientists at the beginning of the outbreak. The government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) was warning about asymptomatic transmission as far back as 28 January, three days before the UK’s first two coronavirus cases were confirmed. Minutes for a SAGE meeting on that day read: “There is limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission, but early indications imply some is occurring.”
Furthermore, past coronaviruses are known to have spread asymptomatically.
Care homes ‘thrown to the wolves’ Hancock’s comments about asymptomatic transmission came a day after Downing Street was accused of throwing care homes “to the wolves”. Advising hospitals to discharge thousands of patients into care homes without knowing if they had COVID-19 was a “reckless” and “appalling” policy error, a House of Commons report said.
Discharging around 25,000 patients to free up beds was an example of the government’s “slow, inconsistent and at times negligent” approach to social care, the cross-party public accounts committee said. It added it was “concerned” the Hancock-led Department of Health continued with the policy “even once it was clear there was an emerging problem”. Hospitals in England were asked on March 17 to discharge patients, but patients did not require a coronavirus test prior to discharge until April 15.
Whether the government knew or not about asymptomatic transmissions, knowing wouldn’t have made one jot of a difference to the initial outbreak. Countries lacked testing capabilities.
You really don't understand do you?
The pair of them have been caught out in a massive lie.
They are trying to lie their way out of causing thousands of deaths in care homes.
The proof is there.
I hope they don't get out of it.
The least you could do is to at least read the article, and then maybe avoid making ill informed silly comments.
I don’t need to read the article, I’ve followed the pandemic from the outset. Sure there have been mistakes made, by our government and other countries. Whether you can hold anybody accountable is another matter. It’s mighty difficult to prove who anybody caught the virus from. There are plenty of countries around the world that have had their care sectors hit. In some countries, patients were tagged to see if they worth saving or not. If they weren’t, they got sent home. Each individual death in the care sector will need to be scrutinised at some stage in the future, for events leading up the death. Just one court case may set the precedent.Who gave the final order for each individual to be moved out of hospital would be a starting point. I don’t think the percentages for the survival of the elderly Covid patients in hospital would be that high. In all walks of life there are some that aren’t as professional as others. I’ve seen things in hospitals and even by folks that work for Macmillan’s , with my own eyes, that I deemed unprofessional. It would only take one in a care home to fall short on following rules to cause a spread. Look up the definition of super spreader. One person can cause a pandemic. Of course, those falling short will be a minuscule amount. Some care staff were too afraid to go in, or had other illnesses, that led to staffing shortages, which led to workers covering for multiple homes, hence more spread. ‘ Thrown to the wolves’ one for the media, standard. The government strategy will be regarded as responsible for some spread and deaths, but that’s a worldwide problem. The virus is still here, still circulating, so are the worlds leaders responsible for every transmission and death? Are business owners responsible for their staff and customers if they die through catching the virus on their premises? Think not. Unless you find out each piece of advice given out by the government, down the various lines to the shop floor, then that would be a starting point for an investigation.
As you’ve stated, you loathe Boris and the government,your right, but sometimes you need to pop your head out of your anti government bubble and have a look around.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them.
This is not optional. Not wearing masks in some settings is illegal. Although not required in some similar settings. The Government have threatened to impose fines, but haven't put forward a method of policing this. Masks protect the wearer, but also those around them, so it would be stupid to say they are optional.
If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Not according to The Government.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
This bit gets you an award for stating the blindingly obvious.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
Some are fairly easy. Sandwich shops could be stopped from allowing people to eat in. Allow takeaways to be bought by mask wearing members of the public. That would be logical, and clear.
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
You still don't see it. I think some of the rules will increase the number of infections, rather than decrease them, putting hospital capacities at risk. Unless you have an alternative explanation for the recent outbreaks in caravan sites, pubs, factories etc.
If you knew someone who lost a family member, through contracting the virus while eating in a sandwich shop. Who do you think they should blame?
You don’t seem to be able to get your mind around the fact that the virus is here to stay, for the foreseeable. More transmissions, more deaths resulting.( highly likely to be the 1% or 2% death rate ) A long drawn out herd immunity, although not announced, seems to be the line being taken by most countries. There doesn’t seem to be any other choice. Countries are just playing their health sectors.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Confused, you're not alone! Fewer than HALF of us now know what the lockdown rules actually are, compared with 90% in March
University College London researchers found that only 45 per cent of people in England understand the lockdown rules, compared with 90 per cent understanding the rules in March.
The vulnerable will always be vulnerable. If folks struggled with’ stay alert’ , just two words, then a list of advice or rule changes will be lost on them, as things open up and close down again. Maybe reduce the message to one word.
By posting front page articles, it implies you believe all you read,and their agenda suits you, otherwise what would be the point in posting/ sharing. Most folks know how newspapers/ media work, I was hoping you did. Unless you are posting to push your own agenda, which would be pointless on here. I’m guessing you think the government is responsible for each and every death. Advice and rules will change, steps forward and steps back. I’m not sure what you’re after. Is it no transmissions or deaths? If so, I’m sorry I’ve got bad news. More testing will obviously reveal more cases, which means there’s plenty of folks out their with the virus. Testing bores the pants off of me, as unless you test everybody on the same day, and after everybody has stayed home for at least ten days, then there will always be spread. Catching clusters just looks good, it doesn’t really amount to much. Obviously regular testing of care staff should be a priority. Going by stats, it just means a hospital(s) in that location might have an influx of Covid patients, and that number may be a trickle that need treatment, although hospitals obviously don’t need the hassle of probably the most contagious patients they’ve had to care for a while. With a death rate of 1% or 2%, and the average UK death rate back to near normal, theres hardly a need for panic. A greater proportion of folks will be more worried about the economy and their jobs. You really need to get your head around the hospital situation, because thats the No1 concern, not outbreaks and small clusters,although the media will amplify practically anything they fancy.
I’m guessing you would like a more authoritarian approach from this government, that wouldn’t work in a democratic country. Some are more bothered about the economy than the virus. There would be a backlash. Certain parts of the economy will always be open, so there’s always going to be a risk of spread, mask on, or off.lots of the recorded deaths will be related to having Covid, not directly through having Covid. If you’re ill, and weak as a kitten through this or that, then the outcome ain’t gonna be good, chalk one up for Covid though.
.Cases probably will rise, they are globally, but I don’t think the NHS are under a massive strain at this time, as below proves. The way the media report things, you would think this country is in some kind of panic mode. The media also know the virus is here to say, so there will always be plenty of ammunition for them. For me though, wake me up when something changes Zzzzzzz. If you want to believe all you read in the papers, then obviously that’s your right, kick on with what you’re up to, but I’ll leave you in peace.
Shocking figures below. Do the math per hospital.
Lots of editing there, bit messy, readable though, it’s late, or early.
I’m thinking I might do one more reply, who knows, but in PJ style, this thread title is aptly named for that.
By posting front page articles, it implies you believe all you read,and their agenda suits you, otherwise what would be the point in posting/ sharing. Most folks know how newspapers/ media work, I was hoping you did. Unless you are posting to push your own agenda, which would be pointless on here. I’m guessing you think the government is responsible for each and every death. Advice and rules will change, steps forward and steps back. I’m not sure what you’re after. Is it no transmissions or deaths? If so, I’m sorry I’ve got bad news. More testing will obviously reveal more cases, which means there’s plenty of folks out their with the virus. Testing bores the pants off of me, as unless you test everybody on the same day, and after everybody has stayed home for at least ten days, then there will always be spread. Catching clusters just looks good, it doesn’t really amount to much. Obviously regular testing of care staff should be a priority. Going by stats, it just means a hospital(s) in that location might have an influx of Covid patients, and that number may be a trickle that need treatment, although hospitals obviously don’t need the hassle of probably the most contagious patients they’ve had to care for a while. With a death rate of 1% or 2%, and the average UK death rate back to near normal, theres hardly a need for panic. A greater proportion of folks will be more worried about the economy and their jobs. You really need to get your head around the hospital situation, because thats the No1 concern, not outbreaks and small clusters,although the media will amplify practically anything they fancy.
I’m guessing you would like a more authoritarian approach from this government, that wouldn’t work in a democratic country. Some are more bothered about the economy than the virus. There would be a backlash. Certain parts of the economy will always be open, so there’s always going to be a risk of spread, mask on, or off.lots of the recorded deaths will be related to having Covid, not directly through having Covid. If you’re ill, and weak as a kitten through this or that, then the outcome ain’t gonna be good, chalk one up for Covid though.
.Cases probably will rise, they are globally, but I don’t think the NHS are under a massive strain at this time, as below proves. The way the media report things, you would think this country is in some kind of panic mode. The media also know the virus is here to say, so there will always be plenty of ammunition for them. For me though, wake me up when something changes Zzzzzzz. If you want to believe all you read in the papers, then obviously that’s your right, kick on with what you’re up to, but I’ll leave you in peace.
"Follow the rules to avoid a second national lockdown," is the warning from the prime minister on the front of the Guardian. It says Boris Johnson's "stark assessment" now "raises questions" about what might have to be restricted to allow schools to reopen. In its coverage, the Times says privately No 10 realises that "reducing the freedom of households to socialise" may be the trade off to get pupils in the classroom. But in its leader, the Sun says the government is in "danger of over-reaction" - because it points out the country was initially only locked down to flatten the curve of new cases, not eliminate them. The Daily Telegraph reports on what it calls the "36 hours that forced Mr Johnson to put the brakes on". A senior cabinet source says the "clincher" for the northern England restrictions and pausing of the lockdown easing was based on Office for National Statistics infection data that made for "grim reading". A Labour MP who was reportedly on the conference call to outline the northern restrictions says Tory colleagues in red wall seats were "apoplectic" with one said to have been "screaming his head off" at the U-turn.
"Dozy duo slip again" is the Daily Star's assessment of Mr Johnson and Matt Hancock's handling of the re-imposition of lockdown restrictions in northern England. Its leader says announcing the change on Twitter and giving people a couple of hours' notice was incompetent and has left the government "looking like fools".
I don’t need to read the article, I’ve followed the pandemic from the outset. Sure there have been mistakes made, by our government and other countries. Whether you can hold anybody accountable is another matter. It’s mighty difficult to prove who anybody caught the virus from. There are plenty of countries around the world that have had their care sectors hit. In some countries, patients were tagged to see if they worth saving or not. If they weren’t, they got sent home. Each individual death in the care sector will need to be scrutinised at some stage in the future, for events leading up the death. Just one court case may set the precedent.Who gave the final order for each individual to be moved out of hospital would be a starting point. I don’t think the percentages for the survival of the elderly Covid patients in hospital would be that high. In all walks of life there are some that aren’t as professional as others. I’ve seen things in hospitals and even by folks that work for Macmillan’s , with my own eyes, that I deemed unprofessional. It would only take one in a care home to fall short on following rules to cause a spread. Look up the definition of super spreader. One person can cause a pandemic. Of course, those falling short will be a minuscule amount. Some care staff were too afraid to go in, or had other illnesses, that led to staffing shortages, which led to workers covering for multiple homes, hence more spread. ‘ Thrown to the wolves’ one for the media, standard. The government strategy will be regarded as responsible for some spread and deaths, but that’s a worldwide problem. The virus is still here, still circulating, so are the worlds leaders responsible for every transmission and death? Are business owners responsible for their staff and customers if they die through catching the virus on their premises? Think not. Unless you find out each piece of advice given out by the government, down the various lines to the shop floor, then that would be a starting point for an investigation.
As you’ve stated, you loathe Boris and the government,your right, but sometimes you need to pop your head out of your anti government bubble and have a look around.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Confused, you're not alone! Fewer than HALF of us now know what the lockdown rules actually are, compared with 90% in March
University College London researchers found that only 45 per cent of people in England understand the lockdown rules, compared with 90 per cent understanding the rules in March.
The vulnerable will always be vulnerable. If folks struggled with’ stay alert’ , just two words, then a list of advice or rule changes will be lost on them, as things open up and close down again. Maybe reduce the message to one word.
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them. If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
Confused, you're not alone! Fewer than HALF of us now know what the lockdown rules actually are, compared with 90% in March
University College London researchers found that only 45 per cent of people in England understand the lockdown rules, compared with 90 per cent understanding the rules in March.
The vulnerable will always be vulnerable. If folks struggled with’ stay alert’ , just two words, then a list of advice or rule changes will be lost on them, as things open up and close down again. Maybe reduce the message to one word.
The tense 36 hours that led Boris to put the brakes on: How grim Coronavirus numbers fired the starting gun for new restrictions and 'apoplectic' MPs were told of Boris Johnson's plan
Government sources have described how grave forecasts of a second coronavirus onslaught sparked a series of behind-the-scenes discussions which resulted in the rowing back of curb lifting. The high-level talks sparked a dramatic change of tone from the Prime Minister, who yesterday told the nation he was 'squeezing the brakes' (pictured at press briefing) after only weeks ago was bullish about a return to normal life by Christmas. But his hopes of executing his roadmap out of lockdown were brought crashing down on Wednesday night when he was handed the latest ONS data revealing a 63 per cent rise in infections in a fortnight. According to insiders, the PM's top team steering the pandemic (Matt Hancock, bottom left and Chris Whitty, bottom right) were confronted with an array of hurdles such as the looming Eid celebrations and a fierce backlash from Red Wall Tory MPs.
I don’t need to read the article, I’ve followed the pandemic from the outset. Sure there have been mistakes made, by our government and other countries. Whether you can hold anybody accountable is another matter. It’s mighty difficult to prove who anybody caught the virus from. There are plenty of countries around the world that have had their care sectors hit. In some countries, patients were tagged to see if they worth saving or not. If they weren’t, they got sent home. Each individual death in the care sector will need to be scrutinised at some stage in the future, for events leading up the death. Just one court case may set the precedent.Who gave the final order for each individual to be moved out of hospital would be a starting point. I don’t think the percentages for the survival of the elderly Covid patients in hospital would be that high. In all walks of life there are some that aren’t as professional as others. I’ve seen things in hospitals and even by folks that work for Macmillan’s , with my own eyes, that I deemed unprofessional. It would only take one in a care home to fall short on following rules to cause a spread. Look up the definition of super spreader. One person can cause a pandemic. Of course, those falling short will be a minuscule amount. Some care staff were too afraid to go in, or had other illnesses, that led to staffing shortages, which led to workers covering for multiple homes, hence more spread. ‘ Thrown to the wolves’ one for the media, standard. The government strategy will be regarded as responsible for some spread and deaths, but that’s a worldwide problem. The virus is still here, still circulating, so are the worlds leaders responsible for every transmission and death? Are business owners responsible for their staff and customers if they die through catching the virus on their premises? Think not. Unless you find out each piece of advice given out by the government, down the various lines to the shop floor, then that would be a starting point for an investigation.
As you’ve stated, you loathe Boris and the government,your right, but sometimes you need to pop your head out of your anti government bubble and have a look around.
Britain records 880 more Covid-19 cases in highest daily spike for a MONTH amid fears more lockdowns are 'unavoidable' because the outbreak has reached a 'tipping point' - as officials also post another 120 deaths
Department of Health statistics show it is the most amount of infections registered in a day since June 28, when 901 more Britons were diagnosed with Covid-19
Some folks are more worried than others regarding mask wearing. If they choose to wear them, let them.
This is not optional. Not wearing masks in some settings is illegal. Although not required in some similar settings. The Government have threatened to impose fines, but haven't put forward a method of policing this. Masks protect the wearer, but also those around them, so it would be stupid to say they are optional.
If the truth be known, then everybody would have a mask on all day, unless at home alone, or outside with no close contact with anybody.
Not according to The Government.
Eating with a mask on is a non starter. Unless of course, the meal gets blended in a glass and sucked through a straw via a tiny whole in ones mask, after the bung is carefully removed.
This bit gets you an award for stating the blindingly obvious.
Haysie, why don’t you try to come up with some conclusions yourself?
Some are fairly easy. Sandwich shops could be stopped from allowing people to eat in. Allow takeaways to be bought by mask wearing members of the public. That would be logical, and clear.
This government is quite liberal imo, they are reluctant to force anybody to do anything. But that doesn’t mean there might come a time they force the issue. Think hospital capacity.
You still don't see it. I think some of the rules will increase the number of infections, rather than decrease them, putting hospital capacities at risk. Unless you have an alternative explanation for the recent outbreaks in caravan sites, pubs, factories etc.
If you knew someone who lost a family member, through contracting the virus while eating in a sandwich shop. Who do you think they should blame?
You don’t seem to be able to get your mind around the fact that the virus is here to stay, for the foreseeable. More transmissions, more deaths resulting.( highly likely to be the 1% or 2% death rate ) A long drawn out herd immunity, although not announced, seems to be the line being taken by most countries. There doesn’t seem to be any other choice. Countries are just playing their health sectors.
'It's absolutely bonkers': Police condemn Boris's order to enforce mask and social distancing rules and call it an' impossible' task
The Prime Minister demanded masks be worn in galleries, cinemas and places of worship, as well as in shops and on trains and buses, while insisting the police will ensure the rules are enforced.
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University College London researchers found that only 45 per cent of people in England understand the lockdown rules, compared with 90 per cent understanding the rules in March.
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If folks struggled with’ stay alert’ , just two words, then a list of advice or rule changes will be lost on them, as things open up and close down again.
Maybe reduce the message to one word.
Boris is backtracking again after reading some of my posts.
This creates more confusion, as many people don't know if they are coming or going.
The following must have seemed blindingly obvious to many people, but not you.
Face masks to become mandatory in more indoor settings from August 8
Wearing face masks will become mandatory in more indoor spaces from next weekend, Boris Johnson announced today.
Face coverings will be mandatory in indoor settings where people are likely to come into contact with people they do not know, such as museums, places of worship and cinemas, from August 8.
The prime minister added that the new guidelines will be enforceable by law.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/face-mask-rules-coronavirus-laws-museums-cinemas-churches-113108670.html
More transmissions, more deaths resulting.( highly likely to be the 1% or 2% death rate )
A long drawn out herd immunity, although not announced, seems to be the line being taken by most countries. There doesn’t seem to be any other choice.
Countries are just playing their health sectors.
This thread is entitled confusion, and dedicated to the confusion caused by The Government.
Boris has backtracked today on the mask wearing.
You have to wear masks today in places where, yesterday, you didn't have to.
As I suggested.
More confusion on a daily basis.
If they have done such a good job, them why do England have the highest rate of excess deaths in Europe?
Do you think that is purely a coincidence?
Why a higher rate than the rest of the UK?
The pair of them have been caught out in a massive lie.
They are trying to lie their way out of causing thousands of deaths in care homes.
The proof is there.
I hope they don't get out of it.
The least you could do is to at least read the article, and then maybe avoid making ill informed silly comments.
Sure there have been mistakes made, by our government and other countries.
Whether you can hold anybody accountable is another matter.
It’s mighty difficult
to prove who anybody caught the virus from.
There are plenty of countries around the world that have had their care sectors hit.
In some countries, patients were tagged to see if they worth saving or not.
If they weren’t, they got sent home.
Each individual death in the care sector will need to be scrutinised at some stage in the future, for events leading up the death. Just one court case may set the precedent.Who gave the final order for each individual to be moved out of hospital would be a starting point.
I don’t think the percentages for the survival of the elderly Covid patients in hospital would be that high.
In all walks of life there are some that aren’t as professional as others. I’ve seen things in hospitals and even by folks that work for Macmillan’s , with my own eyes, that I deemed unprofessional. It would only take one in a care home to fall short on following rules to cause a spread. Look up the definition of super spreader. One person can cause a pandemic.
Of course, those falling short will be a minuscule amount.
Some care staff were too afraid to go in, or had other illnesses, that led to staffing shortages, which led to workers covering for multiple homes, hence more spread.
‘ Thrown to the wolves’ one for the media, standard.
The government strategy will be regarded as responsible for some spread and deaths, but that’s a worldwide problem.
The virus is still here, still circulating, so are the worlds leaders responsible for every transmission and death?
Are business owners responsible for their staff and customers if they die through catching the virus on their premises? Think not.
Unless you find out each piece of advice given out by the government, down the various lines to the shop floor, then that would be a starting point for an investigation.
As you’ve stated, you loathe Boris and the government,your right, but sometimes you need to pop your head out of your anti government bubble and have a look around.
Most folks know how newspapers/ media work, I was hoping you did.
Unless you are posting to push your own agenda, which would be pointless on here.
I’m guessing you think the government is responsible for each and every death.
Advice and rules will change, steps forward and steps back.
I’m not sure what you’re after. Is it no transmissions or deaths? If so, I’m sorry I’ve got bad news.
More testing will obviously reveal more cases, which means there’s plenty of folks out their with the virus. Testing bores the pants off of me, as unless you test everybody on the same day, and after everybody has stayed home for at least ten days, then there will always be spread.
Catching clusters just looks good, it doesn’t really amount to much. Obviously regular testing of care staff should be a priority.
Going by stats, it just means a hospital(s) in that location might have an influx of Covid patients, and that number may be a trickle that need treatment, although hospitals obviously don’t need the hassle of probably the most contagious patients they’ve had to care for a while.
With a death rate of 1% or 2%, and the average UK death rate back to near normal, theres hardly a need for panic. A greater proportion of folks will be more worried about the economy and their jobs.
You really need to get your head around the hospital situation, because thats the No1 concern, not outbreaks and small clusters,although the media will amplify practically anything they fancy.
I’m guessing you would like a more authoritarian approach from this government, that wouldn’t work in a democratic country. Some are more bothered about the economy than the virus.
There would be a backlash. Certain parts of the economy will always be open, so there’s always going to be a risk of spread, mask on, or off.lots of the recorded deaths will be related to having Covid, not directly through having Covid. If you’re ill, and weak as a kitten through this or that, then the outcome ain’t gonna be good, chalk one up for Covid though.
.Cases probably will rise, they are globally, but I don’t think the NHS are under a massive strain at this time, as below proves. The way the media report things, you would think this country is in some kind of panic mode. The media also know the virus is here to say, so there will always be plenty of ammunition for them. For me though, wake me up when something changes Zzzzzzz.
If you want to believe all you read in the papers, then obviously that’s your right, kick on with what you’re up to, but I’ll leave you in peace.
Shocking figures below.
Do the math per hospital.
Lots of editing there, bit messy, readable though, it’s late, or early.
I’m thinking I might do one more reply, who knows, but in PJ style, this thread title is aptly named for that.
Government sources have described how grave forecasts of a second coronavirus onslaught sparked a series of behind-the-scenes discussions which resulted in the rowing back of curb lifting. The high-level talks sparked a dramatic change of tone from the Prime Minister, who yesterday told the nation he was 'squeezing the brakes' (pictured at press briefing) after only weeks ago was bullish about a return to normal life by Christmas. But his hopes of executing his roadmap out of lockdown were brought crashing down on Wednesday night when he was handed the latest ONS data revealing a 63 per cent rise in infections in a fortnight. According to insiders, the PM's top team steering the pandemic (Matt Hancock, bottom left and Chris Whitty, bottom right) were confronted with an array of hurdles such as the looming Eid celebrations and a fierce backlash from Red Wall Tory MPs.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Department of Health statistics show it is the most amount of infections registered in a day since June 28, when 901 more Britons were diagnosed with Covid-19
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
The Prime Minister demanded masks be worn in galleries, cinemas and places of worship, as well as in shops and on trains and buses, while insisting the police will ensure the rules are enforced.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html