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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,493
    lucy4 said:


    Sounds about right.
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    HANSON said:

    HAYSIE said:

    HANSON said:

    what ever the government do there are going to be people who agree and disagree with it, there dammed if they do and dammed if they do not ..
    even Labour could not of done any better in my opinion ...

    I think that is a completely impo
    What could you possibly base it on?I will admit that I have heavily criticised the government over Covid, and Brexit, but only because they deserved it.
    I also criticised Labour consistently while Corbyn was the leader, and let the Lib Dems have it over Jo Swinsons claim the she was going to be our next Prime Minister, and must admit to smiling when she lost her seat.

    As far as Covid is concerned I really struggle to think of anything that the government has done efficiently.
    I am not going to go through all my criticisms again.
    It should be enough to say that Boris is facing a rebellion from his own MPs, and to say that the 12 or 14 u-turns have hardly sent a clear message to the public.
    A u-turn obviously represents each time they have reached a decision, and then decided to do the opposite, often a m
    Our world beating app has faced mounting criticism again today.

    its based on that you for one do not agree with my opinion that there dammed if they do and dammed if they do nothing for instance did they do enough back in March i think shutting down flights would have helped but they did not do it .

    Then when they decided to let people go on holidays but they had to quarantine for 2 weeks on return a decision that IMO was a good idea but people did not like it and the airlines threatened to take the government to court over it so they backed down .
    Dammed for acting to soon yet back in March Dammed for not acting soon enough, hope you get it.
    Football fans get told they could go back to watch games on a certain date if the infection rate continues to drop which it did not sure but believe it was around 100/200 and as you no it started rising to over 6000 a day so you think ohh another u-turn ..
    Dammed for stopping fans going to games but you seem to think having 40/50/60,000+ fans in a stadium is not going to be a problem and if the rate rises again ???
    Dammed again for letting fans attend

    The blame for track and trace app not being lets say not adequate surly lays with the developers of that app as I'm pretty sure the government are not sat in a room writing
    code for it ..

    every one will have a opinion on every thing the government do, some will disagree as it will affect them more than others but when the boot is on other foot they will agree .

    Hopefully soon a vaccine or cure will be found and people will either take it or not but then again some will be critical either way ..

    STAY safe everyone




    Workers on Test and Trace system 'given £140k bonus' despite 'doing nothing all day'





    Workers on the Government's test and trace system have received bonuses of £140,000 despite only making a handful of calls every month, it has been reported.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/workers-on-test-and-trace-system-given-140k-bonus-despite-doing-nothing-all-day/ar-BB19sDTx?ocid=msedgntp
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    HANSON said:

    what ever the government do there are going to be people who agree and disagree with it, there dammed if they do and dammed if they do not ..
    even Labour could not of done any better in my opinion ...
















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    HAYSIE said:

    HANSON said:

    what ever the government do there are going to be people who agree and disagree with it, there dammed if they do and dammed if they do not ..
    even Labour could not of done any better in my opinion ...


    Boris Johnson faces ‘certain’ defeat in vote on imposing Covid restrictions, as cross-party revolt grows




    Boris Johnson is facing “certain” defeat in a vote that would prevent him imposing fresh Covid-19 restrictions behind the backs of MPs, after opposition parties joined a Tory revolt.

    The prime minister is expected to be forced into another U-turn, as cross-party pressure grows to rip up draconian emergency laws that, one Conservative rebel said, mean “liberty dies”.

    Up to 60 Tory MPs are now backing the move, with the scales tipping against the government when Labour and the Liberal Democrats said they were poised to do the same.

    Former Commons Speaker John Bercow weighed in, saying that continuing to bypass MPs in the handling of the pandemic was part of a “toolkit of Trumpianism”.

    Demanding “accountability to parliament", Mr Bercow said: “Ducking, diving, dodging scrutiny, of which there has been some evidence in recent times, cannot continue."

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/boris-johnson-faces-certain-defeat-in-vote-on-imposing-covid-restrictions-as-cross-part-revolt-grows/ar-BB19t4We?ocid=msedgdhp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,493
    chilling said:

    What do you mean by the Government “ allowed” ?
    Was there a bill/ legislation passed through Parliament that I missed?
    A new law stating nobody goes in or out of care homes or hospitals without 100% certainty of being virus free. That would be rather odd, seeing as no other country implemented that.
    The Government said from the start that the U.K. are world leaders in some sciences, but are behind a lot of countries in diagnostics.
    Guidance/ advice is not law.
    NHS workers are not civil servants.


    Germany had lots of diagnostic centres, while the U.K. France, Spain and many more countries had far fewer.
    Lots of countries were ripped off by Chinese companies that provided s hite tests that were flawed.
    For any entrepreneurs out there that can make material things out of fresh air, please PM me.


    About 50 law changes are believed to have been made under the emergency laws, which were rushed through at the start of the pandemic in March and are up for renewal on Wednesday.


    “How do people think that liberty dies? It dies like this, with government exercising draconian powers, without parliamentary scrutiny in advance, undermining the rule of law by having a shifting blanket of rules that no one can understand.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/boris-johnson-faces-certain-defeat-in-vote-on-imposing-covid-restrictions-as-cross-part-revolt-grows/ar-BB19t4We?ocid=msedgdhp
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    edited September 2020
    Total social lockdown for London and the North? Government plans to shut pubs and restaurants for two weeks and ban all households from mixing indoors IF Covid cases do not fall, but 'didn't reveal option last week because the nation wasn't ready



    Pubs, restaurants and bars would be forced to shut for at least two weeks and households would be banned from meeting each other in any indoor location under the new emergency plan (People pictured out socialising in Soho, London, right and centre). Offices at which employees can not work from home would be kept open, as well as schools. The social lockdown measures were part of plans presented to the UK government last week, according to a report in The Times. However the group ministers, led by the Prime Minister, had rejected them, fearing backlash from Tory MPs and members of the public. 'The nation and the party wasn't ready for us to go any further last week,' a senior government source told the publication (Map of areas of UK on lockdown or with restrictions, right. UK infections rate graph, inset).

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html


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    HANSON said:

    what ever the government do there are going to be people who agree and disagree with it, there dammed if they do and dammed if they do not ..
    even Labour could not of done any better in my opinion ...

    What happened to the covid marshalls, and does anyone besides Boris know what they are supposed to be doing, if we have got any?

    'Cops won't be able to cope with cracking down on covid rule-breakers': Police union chief calls on councils and health bosses to help enforce draconian new regulations


    Police are 'struggling' to enforce coronavirus rules because there are not enough officers to crack down on the 10pm curfew breakers, a union boss warned today. John Apter, national chairman of the Police Federation, said there were often now just 'one or two' officers available to police busy high streets in towns and cities at night when the curfew begins on pubs and restaurants. He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'I think we're struggling now if I'm honest, certainly my colleagues are, because of just the daily pressures.' Mr Apter added: 'Here's the reality - in a typical large town or city centre, I think the public think we have hundreds and hundreds of police officers to police. We probably have a handful, and we have to prioritise. So what we will find in a city centre, some officers will be dealing with 999 calls, crimes in action, people being seriously assaulted, that you might only have one or two people in a busy high street at 10pm when hundreds and hundreds of people are coming out onto the streets.'


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    edited September 2020
    Parliament's bars are NOT subject to 10pm curfew and MPs don't have to give their contact details to get a drink


    Bars inside the Palace of Westminster are exempt from the Government's newly imposed 10pm curfew due to them being classified as a 'workplace canteen'.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    NHS hospitals warn Britain's test and trace system is NOT ready for the enormous demands of winter as they urge Government to QUADRPULE capacity over next three months


    NHS Providers is calling for testing capacity to be quadrupled within three months, a dramatic improvement on turnaround times and a clear plan for regular testing of health workers

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    Mass roll-out of Covid vaccine could be delayed for TWO YEARS by Government failure to get to grips with supply chain needed to immunise entire population, expert says



    Experts claim the UK Government has so far failed to secure enough medical-grade glass vials to store the vaccine, as well as organise enough refrigerated lorries and aircraft to transport it.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    Under the headline "Deadly Chaos", the Daily Mirror says "millions of Britons have been left baffled" by the latest coronavirus measures - a "muddle of utterly confusing laws, rules and guidelines... and all the while the virus spreads among us". The paper says it is "no wonder that public compliance is falling" when "no evidence is produced to justify" pubs and restaurants having to close at 22:00 BST.
    It's a view shared by the Daily Telegraph, which says the curfew is failing in its objective of keeping people apart and slowing the growth of the virus. In its editorial pages, the paper says it's "exasperating" for many of Boris Johnson's supporters that there is no sign that the government is about to change course.
    "Time to axe 10pm curfew" is the headline in the Daily Mail, which says pressure is growing to ditch a policy that simply forces crowds onto the streets. Police, scientists and politicians have joined forces to call for Mr Johnson to rethink it, the paper says. It reports that only 3% of coronavirus outbreaks investigated by Public Health England were due to people gathering in bars and restaurants.
    The Sun says it "wouldn't mind so much if there was solid evidence" that the curfew and other "draconian curbs" were cutting infections. It says what these "freedom-destroying edicts do most successfully is induce panic, seen in the idiotic stripping of loo roll from supermarket shelves".



    'Red Wall revolt'
    Mr Johnson is facing a "Red Wall revolt" by Conservative MPs in traditional Labour constituencies over the latest measures, according to the Daily Mail. It says with 16 million Britons now under "draconian" restrictions, his own MPs are calling it a "national lockdown by default".
    Even if the government placates its backbenchers in the short term, it is unlikely to quell broader anxiety about its coronavirus strategy, according to the Spectator. The magazine detects growing unease about the direction in which ministers are going with lockdowns. It says usually supportive MPs have made it clear the government needs to subject itself to more scrutiny if it is to maintain the backing of its MPs.
    The Times says Tory backbenchers have accused the prime minister of "ruling by decree" with the creation of new coronavirus offences - prompting comparisons with George Orwell's dystopian novel, 1984.
    It is also calling for an "overhaul" of government structures to improve long-term decision-making for the duration of the pandemic - including the appointment of a minister with specific responsibility for test and trace. The Times's leading article says the government "keeps getting caught out by problems that ought to have been foreseeable". A test and trace minister, it argues, could "mobilise" resources across departments and "ensure that sufficient testing capacity is made available where and when it is needed".
    Affluent millennials and holidaymakers are "driving the second wave" of coronavirus infections, according to the latest data reported in the Daily Telegraph. The analysis - by the Office For National Statistics - found cases were rising fastest among wealthy under-35s whose infection rate has more than quadrupled since the end of July. The paper says the figures suggest the introduction of the so-called "rule-of-six" may do little to stop the spread of the virus.
    The paper leads with the shortage of flu vaccine across parts of the UK, raising fears that pensioners may face delays in getting the jab this winter. It says the shortfall leaves "swathes of the most vulnerable with no immediate prospect of a jab, despite a government promise that they would be at the front of the queue".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-54334534






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    edited September 2020
    Come out of the Wendy House with your hands up! These coronavirus restrictions are a concerted assault on our civil liberties never before attempted... even in wartime




    RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Having wrecked the economy and trashed our freedoms, they will keep on doubling down because they don't have the faintest idea how to get out of the mess they have created.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    Government sneaks out new covid curbs: Now you can be fined £4,000 for 'recklessly' leaving self-isolation and £1,000 for giving false details for close contacts in rules introduced overnight




    The wide-ranging laws and the list of punishments were revealed in legal documents and came into force on Monday.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    Mother-of-six, 38, has to BLOCK Test and Trace from phoning after they called FORTY-FIVE times when she and five others in her home tested positive - warning each person had been in contact with everyone else


    Kathryn Beardow (left) and her family (inset, together), from Gorton, Manchester, had been self-isolation after she, her husband Ivan and four of their children tested positive for coronavirus. NHS Test and Trace initially called her each time a family member tested positive, to ask who they had been in contact with and where they had been - details which she happily provided. But the 38-year-old has now been forced to block the service's number after operators called her at least 45 separate times (right) to inform her and her family that they had been in contact with each other and had to self-isolate. She branded the system as 'totally flawed' and said Boris Johnson needed to make a 'massive overhaul' of the tracing system.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

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    edited September 2020
    Now pubs are banned from playing loud music! New curb joins chaotic curfew scheme as it emerges hospitality sector is to blame for just THREE PER CENT of all coronavirus outbreaks
    The struggling hospitality sector saw 22 outbreaks of respiratory illness last week from 532 in England overall
    Seventeen of these were confirmed to be down to Covid-19, PHE's latest surveillance report has revealed
    The most outbreaks were seen in schools during the week, at 222 or 41.7 per cent of the total across England
    Stark figures come amid a barrage of criticism that Boris Johnson's 'idiotic' 10pm curfew is backfiring
















    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8780631/Pubs-bars-restaurants-blame-3-coronavirus-outbreaks-week.html
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    HANSON said:

    what ever the government do there are going to be people who agree and disagree with it, there dammed if they do and dammed if they do not ..
    even Labour could not of done any better in my opinion ...

    Boris highlighted his incompetence today when he appeared on telly, and was unable to quote his own rules correctly.
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    HANSON said:

    what ever the government do there are going to be people who agree and disagree with it, there dammed if they do and dammed if they do not ..
    even Labour could not of done any better in my opinion ...








    Several front pages use an image of Boris Johnson scratching his head to illustrate the confusion surrounding the new coronavirus restrictions for the north-east of England, which elicited an apology from the prime minister.
    "Sorry, the PM hasn't a clue," declares the Metro. With the headline "And you thought YOU were confused?" - the Daily Mirror is scathing about Mr Johnson's ignorance of his own rules. It says that "busking and jokes helped him win an election, but there is nothing funny now".
    The council leader in Bolton tells the Guardian that the government's handling of the local lockdowns is "breeding resentment" among "red wall" voters who switched to the Tories in December's general election. The Daily Telegraph says the MPs who gained those seats in the North East "reacted with anger and disbelief when the prime minister got his facts wrong".
    The lead in the Daily Telegraph suggests the confusion surrounding the new "rule of six "restrictions in the north-east of England has strengthened the case for MPs to be given greater scrutiny of any further coronavirus measures. It says the Conservative rebels backing Sir Graham Brady's amendment to the Coronavirus Act are "on the brink of winning their fight", as the "prime minister's gaffe" proved that the new legislation had been rushed.



    The front pages of the Daily Mail, the Daily Express and the i newspaper carry the estimate from a cancer charity that as many as one million women are thought to have missed out on breast cancer screening during lockdown. Breast Cancer Now fears that the four-month suspension of services could result in thousands of deaths. The leading cancer expert, Prof Karol Sikora, writes in the Daily Mirror that the UK cannot afford a second backlog over the winter months. "That would be a disaster that would take many years to recover from," he warns.
    The vice-chancellors of Birmingham and Sheffield Hallam universities make a call for next year's A-levels to be scrapped, arguing that it would be "simply wrong" to waste time on anything other than lessons. Writing in the Times, Sir David Eastwood and Sir Chris Husbands predict next summer's exams will be "chaotic" and say teacher assessment should be used instead. The Department for Education says it expects exams to take place as usual.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-54349755






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    Boris Johnson news – live: ‘Incompetent’ PM in blunder over own Covid rules as Gavin Williamson told to ‘get a grip'



    Boris Johnson has been branded “grossly incompetent” after he appeared confused over his own restrictions in northeast England.

    The PM issued an apology after he failed to clarify precisely what the new restrictions would mean for around two million people in Northumberland, Newcastle, Gateshead, North and South Tyneside, Sunderland and County Durham, all while city leaders in Liverpool, Leeds and Manchester warned of “huge levels of redundancies", “mass market failure” and “boarded up high streets” unless local lockdown rules are amended.

    Meanwhile, education secretary Gavin Williamson was told to “get a grip” as thousands of students remained locked down in their university accommodation due to outbreaks dubbed “completely avoidable” by the the University and College Union, which Labour warned could result in “huge” student dropout rates

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-news-live-incompetent-pm-in-blunder-over-own-covid-rules-as-gavin-williamson-told-to-get-a-grip/ar-BB19wJoR?ocid=msedgntp
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