I asked a while ago in this thread, if anyone had an example where a player blatantly tried to giveaway and the deck had allowed it. Tumbleweed rolled by.
This is what im talking about, where the player has given up, tried to just lose.... then the magic happens... ive honestly never seen one lose.... online that is...
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
LIBBYLOO
Small blind
50.00
50.00
1550.00
TheWaddy
Big blind
100.00
150.00
1300.00
Your hole cards
J
10
Q
10
LIBBYLOO
Raise
150.00
300.00
1400.00
TheWaddy
Call
100.00
400.00
1200.00
Flop
J
6
J
TheWaddy
Check
LIBBYLOO
Bet
400.00
800.00
1000.00
TheWaddy
All-in
1200.00
2000.00
0.00
LIBBYLOO
Call
800.00
2800.00
200.00
LIBBYLOO
Show
5
2
A
4
TheWaddy
Show
J
10
Q
10
Turn
7
River
5
TheWaddy
Win high
Three Jacks
1400.00
1400.00
LIBBYLOO
Win low
7-low
1400.00
1600.00
What would have been a more realistic turn and river card?
I recommend reading Phil Galfond's views on the matter.
48 out of 57 is a very good ratio I would say ( more than 80% ).......but then I forget that you want to, and think you should win EVERY Hand
All you have to do for that is to try to play as though you are SH!T when you play weekend and Bank Holidays..... but obviously not all the time
Yeah i would go back and re-do the figures on that one..... not the brightest bunch, its starting to become clear why you guys accept so much.....
Oh yes..... I thought it was 20 WINS out of 28 games..... (not 28 losses) .....obviously, like you. I'm not used to seeing you and the word LOSS together ......
@Helissio2 on the other hand is evidently used to seeing that scenario on a regular basis
Ahh yes Phil Galfond backed... a player whos made a huge amount online and in his own words there 'has run poker sites'. Id expect him not to back his own cash cow, wouldnt you!!? A really good 'independent and fair view':D
I have simply requested someone put up a screenshot of someone just calling an all in with absolutely nothing against a made hand..... and losing the lot. I mean statistically, there should be lots more of these examples around than them not losing, so should be an easy one.
No-ones posted one yet though. All i was saying. Its your hands, im just posting them. My experience is absolutely, in giveaway situations (its all you can call them really), ive never seen one lose. I cant help my experience and also how unlikely it is that ive never seen one lose.
Sky_James; The problem that poker sites create themselves when trying to convince players its a true random deck, is the wording they use which creates suspicion... you are your own worst enemy.
I have had a site tell me that 'it would be impossible to write anything into a deck that would favour another'... yet Phil Galfond says here;
I think im being punished for asking.... 54 rivers over 2 games for one opp last night, i got 2! A recurring river avalanche last 2 days, scared to bet a thing now..... just blocks any win when they calling off.
I think im being punished for asking.... 54 rivers over 2 games for one opp last night, i got 2! A recurring river avalanche last 2 days, scared to bet a thing now..... just blocks any win when they calling off.
Players are obviously getting used to How you Play ..... Consequently you will have to adapt your game I'd say ...... Just SHUUUUUUURRVE and pretend your playing BINGO
Thanks for letting me know. I've been looking for an opportunity to hold the £1 lobby.
I don't know why I'm bothering to type this, but op needs to understand weekends play very differently. I've played every night this week, with low variance winnings Mon-Thurs. The weekend is massively swingy and it has everything to do with the fun players: playing 20nl, I was down £60 early on, then up to £110 profit and finished about £70 up. Some huge pots played against holdings that shouldn't even see a flop, let alone get to a river - but that's how recs having a few beers play. It's why I made more than I average Mon-Thurs.
Q for you op: let's say you have a high winrate at HUSNG of 75%. What is the probability of you winning 17 in a row? Next, what's the probability of you having two such streaks in a 100 game sample?
Ive been told by sites that the reason players hit so often is that there are alot of bad players online that call too much and you see more hands.... its a strange explanation, purely for the fact that most poker books will tell you that is the exact recipe you want to make alot of money. Getting through as many hands you can with players calling badly.
Howard Plant (used to do the crazy dart board at Chester and Haydock races and appeared on Ch4 Late Night Poker) used to quote: Players who chase straights and flushes, go home on national buses....
Weekends and Bank Hols should be the time to make hay. Circa 2008 i used to play in a home game on a Friday night, be home for around 1am and look forward to a guaranteed $100 in $20 heads up games. Because the drunks used to on in abundance and just call off very, very poorly.
In them days, they hit something 'now and then', all within normal variance. You cant do that now, it just doesnt happen that way, its just a constant stream of sub 20% chances.
Ive played online since 2003, ive been there through the lot, huge amount of experience on alot of sites.
Alot of you will be players that started after 2010... you will know no different. Things happen the same... you get through as many hands, players still call far too often, they overplay hands aggresively.... same recipe... massively different results.
That is my experience, that is the facts of what has happened to me. I interpret it the way it seems obvious... as it was an immediate thing after Black Friday, not a gradual thing. If this offends anyone, i apologise!
I just think the vast majority of you guys have not played through the years to see the huge difference.
Ive been told by sites that the reason players hit so often is that there are alot of bad players online that call too much and you see more hands.... its a strange explanation, purely for the fact that most poker books will tell you that is the exact recipe you want to make alot of money. Getting through as many hands you can with players calling badly.
Howard Plant (used to do the crazy dart board at Chester and Haydock races and appeared on Ch4 Late Night Poker) used to quote: Players who chase straights and flushes, go home on national buses....
Weekends and Bank Hols should be the time to make hay. Circa 2008 i used to play in a home game on a Friday night, be home for around 1am and look forward to a guaranteed $100 in $20 heads up games. Because the drunks used to on in abundance and just call off very, very poorly.
In them days, they hit something 'now and then', all within normal variance. You cant do that now, it just doesnt happen that way, its just a constant stream of sub 20% chances.
Ive played online since 2003, ive been there through the lot, huge amount of experience on alot of sites.
Alot of you will be players that started after 2010... you will know no different. Things happen the same... you get through as many hands, players still call far too often, they overplay hands aggresively.... same recipe... massively different results.
That is my experience, that is the facts of what has happened to me. I interpret it the way it seems obvious... as it was an immediate thing after Black Friday, not a gradual thing. If this offends anyone, i apologise!
I just think the vast majority of you guys have not played through the years to see the huge difference.
I think people pity you rather than get offended by you.
I have more experience. The reason i don’t win much these days and play lower stakes is probably for the same reasons that you play micro stakes. It isn’t because of bank holiday decks or ‘impossible’ outcomes happening on a regular basis
It’s because i don’t study and others do and they are a lot better at poker than me. The difference is that i realise that. You’d rather blame everything else and don’t consider it may be down to you.
That is your experience and that is your reasoning for YOUR situation.
You have your clique flashing up the 'likes' for you, thats cool. Im not sure how players calling an all in with just an inside straight draw is being 'better at poker' than me and refusing to accept that is delusional, but hey each to their own!
The change was instantaneous from Black Friday, the odds i believe, stayed the same. I did continue for 2yrs, but the run did not end, the odds did not even out in the long run though i wanted to believe they would. The players remained awful, your reasoning is that they are better because they hit what they need more often, this is not how it works.
So we combat it with 2 pot game, one pot that you are guaranteed a portion back if you have the nuts so you can not be completely shafted and keep it for leisure only.
Its all i have to say on the subject as clearly we are getting nowhere! Inexperience of poker pre black friday and site brown nosing for your own gain, is clearly the way it is on forums.
That is your experience and that is your reasoning for YOUR situation.
You have your clique flashing up the 'likes' for you, thats cool. Im not sure how players calling an all in with just an inside straight draw is being 'better at poker' than me and refusing to accept that is delusional, but hey each to their own!
The change was instantaneous from Black Friday, the odds i believe, stayed the same. I did continue for 2yrs, but the run did not end, the odds did not even out in the long run though i wanted to believe they would. The players remained awful, your reasoning is that they are better because they hit what they need more often, this is not how it works.
So we combat it with 2 pot game, one pot that you are guaranteed a portion back if you have the nuts so you can not be completely shafted and keep it for leisure only.
Its all i have to say on the subject as clearly we are getting nowhere! Inexperience of poker pre black friday and site brown nosing for your own gain, is clearly the way it is on forums.
Wasting my time as conspiracy theorists will never change their views.
Just to correct you. I have played poker for a lot longer than you and so don’t lack experience. And disagreeing with you doesn’t constitute brown nosing a site.
On the contrary, the majority of players telling you that you don't understand variance are the most experienced. Win rates went down post-BF, largely due to rich American fun players leaving the pool and the availability of training materials. People got a lot better. You only have to look at the way micro stakes hands are discussed now on 2+2 compared to 15 years ago. Many of the breakeven regs at 20nl/30nl on Sky would have crushed 100/200 back in the day.
You'll also note many people commenting here have been critical of the Sky software and some of the promos. We play here because we like the sense of community and the soft games.
You didn't answer my probability questions by the way.
Mind u, when they come at this rate i have to show;
We had this classly played hand, by a player who plays hi lo alot;
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
EmperorSex
Small blind
30.00
30.00
910.00
TheWaddy
Big blind
60.00
90.00
2000.00
Your hole cards
10
8
3
2
EmperorSex
Raise
150.00
240.00
760.00
TheWaddy
Call
120.00
360.00
1880.00
Flop
7
A
5
TheWaddy
Check
EmperorSex
Bet
360.00
720.00
400.00
TheWaddy
Raise
1440.00
2160.00
440.00
EmperorSex
All-in
400.00
2560.00
0.00
TheWaddy
Unmatched bet
680.00
1880.00
1120.00
EmperorSex
Show
K
10
J
A
TheWaddy
Show
10
8
3
2
Turn
2
River
5
EmperorSex
Win high
Two Pairs, Aces and 5s
940.00
940.00
TheWaddy
Win low
7-low
940.00
2060.00
Inexplicable to me, but one that we know from Helissio too, successful online players. Its a play that should leave you stone broke at hi lo, but online seems to be quite successful and one players even like to argue they are correct.
So i type in chat box 'that will qualify you for major help at least'... now shortly after we have this, as im never wrong on these after a giveaway attempt like that heads up. Would i be able to say that and then get this hand with my deck from Nathans Newsagents at my kitchen table heads up?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
TheWaddy
Small blind
30.00
30.00
1610.00
EmperorSex
Big blind
60.00
90.00
1300.00
Your hole cards
5
2
4
8
TheWaddy
Raise
90.00
180.00
1520.00
EmperorSex
Call
60.00
240.00
1240.00
Flop
2
5
2
EmperorSex
Bet
240.00
480.00
1000.00
TheWaddy
Raise
960.00
1440.00
560.00
EmperorSex
All-in
1000.00
2440.00
0.00
TheWaddy
Call
280.00
2720.00
280.00
TheWaddy
Show
5
2
4
8
EmperorSex
Show
3
5
5
4
Turn
9
River
10
EmperorSex
Win high
Full House, 5s and 2s
2720.00
2720.00
No qualifying low hand
My psychic ability is just spot on.... but cant do it in real life.
The set up like this always comes after a giveaway attempt that was let off.
that second hand is wonderful from the villain, you shoulda never have been raising pre with such a **** hand, sure your low is ok, but that 8 is just floating out there on its own @TheWaddy
first one, he has top pair plus the flush draw, once you check (to reraise, which is cool play imo), he is pot commited once he bets, not really sure why you find it so staggering, he has top pair plus the nut flush draw.......sometimes you just need that wee slice of luck.
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I recommend reading Phil Galfond's views on the matter.
@Helissio2 on the other hand is evidently used to seeing that scenario on a regular basis
I have simply requested someone put up a screenshot of someone just calling an all in with absolutely nothing against a made hand..... and losing the lot. I mean statistically, there should be lots more of these examples around than them not losing, so should be an easy one.
No-ones posted one yet though. All i was saying. Its your hands, im just posting them. My experience is absolutely, in giveaway situations (its all you can call them really), ive never seen one lose. I cant help my experience and also how unlikely it is that ive never seen one lose.
I have had a site tell me that 'it would be impossible to write anything into a deck that would favour another'... yet Phil Galfond says here;
What does a punter take from that blatant lie?
I don't know why I'm bothering to type this, but op needs to understand weekends play very differently. I've played every night this week, with low variance winnings Mon-Thurs. The weekend is massively swingy and it has everything to do with the fun players: playing 20nl, I was down £60 early on, then up to £110 profit and finished about £70 up. Some huge pots played against holdings that shouldn't even see a flop, let alone get to a river - but that's how recs having a few beers play. It's why I made more than I average Mon-Thurs.
Q for you op: let's say you have a high winrate at HUSNG of 75%. What is the probability of you winning 17 in a row? Next, what's the probability of you having two such streaks in a 100 game sample?
Howard Plant (used to do the crazy dart board at Chester and Haydock races and appeared on Ch4 Late Night Poker) used to quote: Players who chase straights and flushes, go home on national buses....
Weekends and Bank Hols should be the time to make hay. Circa 2008 i used to play in a home game on a Friday night, be home for around 1am and look forward to a guaranteed $100 in $20 heads up games. Because the drunks used to on in abundance and just call off very, very poorly.
In them days, they hit something 'now and then', all within normal variance. You cant do that now, it just doesnt happen that way, its just a constant stream of sub 20% chances.
Ive played online since 2003, ive been there through the lot, huge amount of experience on alot of sites.
Alot of you will be players that started after 2010... you will know no different. Things happen the same... you get through as many hands, players still call far too often, they overplay hands aggresively.... same recipe... massively different results.
That is my experience, that is the facts of what has happened to me. I interpret it the way it seems obvious... as it was an immediate thing after Black Friday, not a gradual thing. If this offends anyone, i apologise!
I just think the vast majority of you guys have not played through the years to see the huge difference.
I have more experience.
The reason i don’t win much these days and play lower stakes is probably for the same reasons that you play micro stakes.
It isn’t because of bank holiday decks or ‘impossible’ outcomes happening on a regular basis
It’s because i don’t study and others do and they are a lot better at poker than me.
The difference is that i realise that. You’d rather blame everything else and don’t consider it may be down to you.
You have your clique flashing up the 'likes' for you, thats cool. Im not sure how players calling an all in with just an inside straight draw is being 'better at poker' than me and refusing to accept that is delusional, but hey each to their own!
The change was instantaneous from Black Friday, the odds i believe, stayed the same. I did continue for 2yrs, but the run did not end, the odds did not even out in the long run though i wanted to believe they would. The players remained awful, your reasoning is that they are better because they hit what they need more often, this is not how it works.
So we combat it with 2 pot game, one pot that you are guaranteed a portion back if you have the nuts so you can not be completely shafted and keep it for leisure only.
Its all i have to say on the subject as clearly we are getting nowhere! Inexperience of poker pre black friday and site brown nosing for your own gain, is clearly the way it is on forums.
Just to correct you. I have played poker for a lot longer than you and so don’t lack experience.
And disagreeing with you doesn’t constitute brown nosing a site.
You'll also note many people commenting here have been critical of the Sky software and some of the promos. We play here because we like the sense of community and the soft games.
You didn't answer my probability questions by the way.
We had this classly played hand, by a player who plays hi lo alot;
So i type in chat box 'that will qualify you for major help at least'... now shortly after we have this, as im never wrong on these after a giveaway attempt like that heads up. Would i be able to say that and then get this hand with my deck from Nathans Newsagents at my kitchen table heads up?
The set up like this always comes after a giveaway attempt that was let off.
first one, he has top pair plus the flush draw, once you check (to reraise, which is cool play imo), he is pot commited once he bets, not really sure why you find it so staggering, he has top pair plus the nut flush draw.......sometimes you just need that wee slice of luck.