Anyone for quads... how bout 3 in one HU game...

TheWaddy

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tombrooks	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1120.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		40.00	60.00	1820.00
	Your hole cards	10 K 10 6
tombrooks	Call		20.00	80.00	1100.00
TheWaddy	Check
Flop
		10 6 8
TheWaddy	Check
tombrooks	Check
Turn
		10
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	120.00	1780.00
tombrooks	Call		40.00	160.00	1060.00
River
		4
TheWaddy	Bet		160.00	320.00	1620.00
tombrooks	Call		160.00	480.00	900.00
TheWaddy	Show	10 K 10 6
tombrooks	Muck	2 2 J J
TheWaddy	Win high	Four 10s	480.00		2100.00
	No qualifying low hand

TheWaddy

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TheWaddy	Small blind		30.00	30.00	2110.00
tombrooks	Big blind		60.00	90.00	800.00
	Your hole cards	6 8 3 Q
TheWaddy	Call		30.00	120.00	2080.00
tombrooks	Check
Flop
		2 3 3
tombrooks	Check
TheWaddy	Bet		60.00	180.00	2020.00
tombrooks	Call		60.00	240.00	740.00
Turn
		A
tombrooks	Check
TheWaddy	Check
River
		3
tombrooks	Check
TheWaddy	Bet		240.00	480.00	1780.00
tombrooks	Call		240.00	720.00	500.00
TheWaddy	Show	6 8 3 Q
tombrooks	Show	6 2 K 5
TheWaddy	Win high	Four 3s	360.00		2140.00
tombrooks	Win low	6-low	360.00		860.00

TheWaddy

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tombrooks	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1040.00
TheWaddy	Big blind		40.00	60.00	1900.00
	Your hole cards	Q A A Q
tombrooks	Call		20.00	80.00	1020.00
TheWaddy	Check
Flop
		Q 4 3
TheWaddy	Check
tombrooks	Check
Turn
		Q
TheWaddy	Bet		40.00	120.00	1860.00
tombrooks	Call		40.00	160.00	980.00
River
		2
TheWaddy	Bet		160.00	320.00	1700.00
tombrooks	Fold
TheWaddy	Muck
TheWaddy	Win		160.00		1860.00
TheWaddy	Return		160.00	0.00	2020.00

TheWaddy

Also same HU game....

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TheWaddy	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1450.00
tombrooks	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1520.00
	Your hole cards	3 6 8 4
TheWaddy	Raise		30.00	60.00	1420.00
tombrooks	Call		20.00	80.00	1500.00
Flop
		8 6 8
tombrooks	Check
TheWaddy	Bet		60.00	140.00	1360.00
tombrooks	Call		60.00	200.00	1440.00
Turn
		10
tombrooks	Check
TheWaddy	Bet		150.00	350.00	1210.00
tombrooks	Fold
TheWaddy	Muck
TheWaddy	Win		200.00		1410.00
TheWaddy	Return		150.00	0.00	1560.00

TheWaddy

Not about it being against me you see....... It because you see more hands online, i understand this... 53 hands played today, sniff......

Poker.Org quote;

The probability of making four-of-a-kind in an Omaha game is 0.0048%.

Conclusion

Quads or four-of-a-kind is an exciting hand in poker. It’s a rare enough hand to excite players when they see it, but you must remember that it’s not the best possible hand in any poker game.

When playing quads, you must always consider the poker variant, texture of the board, and other possibilities that another player could beat 4-of-a-kind with a different set of quads or a straight or royal flush. Quads can remain exciting in poker if the player remains cautious.

tomgoodun

TheWaddy said:

Not about it being against me you see....... It because you see more hands online, i understand this... 53 hands played today, sniff......

You managed to count the amount of hands played throughout the site whilst you were playing? Well done, I would struggle to write down the hand no’s at start and end of play whilst concentrating on each action playing.

TheWaddy

I played one game. In the 'my hands' section the game count was this. Its quite simple. You will probably have to look at something else to make my post BS!

Enut

Can you post all the hand histories from all the games you've played where you've not had quads 3 times? That should balance out the probabilities and also keep you occupied for a while.

Essexphil

TheWaddy said:

Not about it being against me you see....... It because you see more hands online, i understand this... 53 hands played today, sniff......

Poker.Org quote;

The probability of making four-of-a-kind in an Omaha game is 0.0048%.

Conclusion

Quads or four-of-a-kind is an exciting hand in poker. It’s a rare enough hand to excite players when they see it, but you must remember that it’s not the best possible hand in any poker game.

When playing quads, you must always consider the poker variant, texture of the board, and other possibilities that another player could beat 4-of-a-kind with a different set of quads or a straight or royal flush. Quads can remain exciting in poker if the player remains cautious.

There is a lot of rubbish posted on the internet. And poker.org should hang their head in shame for producing this nonsense.

It is considerably easier getting quads in Omaha than Holdem. If poker.org seriously believe that it is easier getting 4 of a kind from 7 cards, than getting 4 from 9 cards, where the only proviso is 1 or 2 from 4 plus 2 or 3 from 5, then they should stop talking about poker.

The odds of getting quads at Omaha are 0.2%. Or 1 in 500 hands. Not 0.0048%.

It seems to forget that quads has a spare 5th card.

Essexphil

Ah. Now I see the mistake the maths cretin working for poker.org has made.

The probability is 0.0048. Probabilities work towards a total of 1. Not 100.

Which is 0.48%. Because per cent is short for per centum. Per 100.

TheEdge949

Sheldon Cooper could not have put it any more succinctly

TheWaddy

Essexphil said:

Ah. Now I see the mistake the maths cretin working for poker.org has made.

The probability is 0.0048. Probabilities work towards a total of 1. Not 100.

Which is 0.48%. Because per cent is short for per centum. Per 100.

ahhh those odds x 3 make it far more likely in 53 hands, thanks for clearing that up..... Ive also posted 3 straight flushes in 14 hands in one heads up game.... but funnily enough not a mixture of quads and str8 flushes... just 3 and 3....

Its because you see more hands online... a total of 67 hands for 3 quads and 3 straight flushes... even then im being generous as the total hands in the game were 53, not when they happened.....

Good job online sites dont enhance hands, otherwise there would be 3 every 20 hands....

Essexphil

TheEdge949 said:

Sheldon Cooper could not have put it any more succinctly

The internet is full of marvellous stuff. Trouble is, it has no filter. And no proper peer review.

So-for example-other "calculations" for these sorts of poker odds make all sorts of assumptions. For example, that people fold 75% of their hands pre-flop.

That might be true in NLH MTTs. But it is never going to be true for PLO8 HU where the player has a significant advantage in post-flop experience. In a PLO8 MTT folding a lot of hands that more likely to make quads, such as 9944. But not HU.

TheWaddy

Enut said:

Can you post all the hand histories from all the games you've played where you've not had quads 3 times? That should balance out the probabilities and also keep you occupied for a while.

I dont know if you have noticed, but most have got to the point were they are sick of seeing posted silly hands.... my posts would have to be once in 4months or so for your comment to work, wouldnt you think??

TheEdge949

TheWaddy said:

Enut said:

Can you post all the hand histories from all the games you've played where you've not had quads 3 times? That should balance out the probabilities and also keep you occupied for a while.

I dont know if you have noticed, but most have got to the point were they are sick of seeing my hands.... my posts would have to be once in 4months or so to be worthwhile reading dont you think??

Exactly that

TheWaddy

Hey its cool guys, im just putting up actual hands. No-one has called me a liar for a while, so i guess ive made some progress.

Up to the individual how to decipher the wealth of information, some say its 'only' a minor miracle and 'can' happen.... others see it for what it is.... all good with me!

tomgoodun

TheWaddy said:

I played one game. In the 'my hands' section the game count was this. Its quite simple. You will probably have to look at something else to make my post BS!

Ah, ok I think I get what you mean, thanks for clearing that up.
So , what you seem to be saying is that it’s a bit dodgy ( for want of a better word) for a person to get 3 sets of quads in a session of 53 hands?
One could ask what would be a more ‘realistic’ number of hands ?
The obvious wrong answer is ( if 1 in 500 is correct) 1500. As that wouldn’t be random 😉
Maths innit..

Essexphil

tomgoodun said:

TheWaddy said:

I played one game. In the 'my hands' section the game count was this. Its quite simple. You will probably have to look at something else to make my post BS!

Ah, ok I think I get what you mean, thanks for clearing that up.
So , what you seem to be saying is that it’s a bit dodgy ( for want of a better word) for a person to get 3 sets of quads in a session of 53 hands?
One could ask what would be a more ‘realistic’ number of hands ?
The obvious wrong answer is ( if 1 in 500 is correct) 1500. As that wouldn’t be random 😉
Maths innit..

Then there is the fun bit relating to Confirmation bias. So-for example-when you are looking at how often quads occurs, everyone only starts counting after the first 1. All hands before are ignored.

So, in reality maths dictates that, if we are doing statistics accurately, you got quads twice in 52 hands. Not 3 in 53. Simply because you chose to start after the 1st one.

Turning to the "more hands online" bit. It does have a limited effect. As an example, the odds of flipping a coin as Heads 10 times out of 10 is enormous. Whereas, getting 10 Heads in a Row out of 1000 coin tosses is far lower.

I don't think you are a liar. I'm sure that you genuinely believe that, were you to play 100 PLO8 HU games v a weaker opponent, you would win 75 through your skill, and lose 25 due to something wrong with the online deck.

It's just that I don't.

goldon

He is worth saving and a keep....... hic!

TheWaddy

there has been 3 major replies to my posts... your'e a liar.... so i posted actual hands.... you dont understand poker.... so i posted my results and fact i was staked by badbeat.com.... you see more hands online... so i posted highly unusual situations of 3 sub 1% occurences in a very small amount of hands....

I am happy for Tony to withdraw my forum chat. I would rather that happen, as i have nothing further to offer on here. People are scared to speak their minds as people like Essexphil poke you with a stick, then suggest there should be a ban for the content in defending themselves.

Its pretty toxic.

goldon

TheWaddy said:

there has been 3 major replies to my posts... your'e a liar.... so i posted actual hands.... you dont understand poker.... so i posted my results and fact i was staked by badbeat.com.... you see more hands online... so i posted highly unusual situations of 3 sub 1% occurences in a very small amount of hands....

I am happy for Tony to withdraw my forum chat. I would rather that happen, as i have nothing further to offer on here. People are scared to speak their minds as people like Essexphil poke you with a stick, then suggest there should be a ban for the content in defending themselves.

Its pretty toxic.

Well, young person, you shouldn't be happy with wanting to be banned.

Nobody said, it would be easy to convert the Brain dead..... common sense takes a lot of convincing and perseverance .... don't give up their only jealous you've seen something they missed.