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Middle East On The Brink.

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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819

    HAYSIE said:

    @HAYSIE you running late this morning, had to go read the bbc news instead of checking the headlines here

    Had a lie in.
    Guess we will need to let you off :)
    Cheers.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819
    Fears of all-out war grow as Israel evacuates villages close to Lebanon and threatens to 'destroy' the country if Iran-backed Hezbollah enters conflict: Netanyahu warns 'fateful hour' approaches as one MILLION flee Gaza and UN warns of 'spectre of death'







    Fears of all-out war grow as Israel evacuates villages close to Lebanon and threatens to
    Israel today evacuated civilians living in villages close to the border with Lebanon and threatened to 'destroy to destroy' the country if the Iran-backed terror group Hezbollah enters the conflict. The military issued the evacuation order to residents living within two kilometres of the Israeli-Lebanese border as Israel fears reprisals from Hezbollah for its imminent invasion of the Gaza Strip. Hezbollah terrorists have vowed to 'respond' to any move to invade Gaza with the group's chief saying they are 'fully prepared' to join Hamas in its war against Israel, raising already heightened fears of an all-out conflict in the Middle East. Residents of the 28 villages and settlements close to the Lebanese border will now be put up in guesthouses in towns in the centre of Israel that are considered safer - but Hezbollah's huge arsenal of rockets can strike any target in Israel including the main city Tel Aviv. The evacuation order comes as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned the nation was 'approaching a fateful hour' with more than 400,000 Israeli soldiers now gearing up for a battle in Gaza that will see street-fighting erupt in the tiny 25-mile long enclave. More than one million people have now fled their homes in northern Gaza in scenes of chaos and despair in a desperate attempt to escape Israel's imminent invasion and continued aerial bombardment of the Hamas-ruled territory. But the United Nations has warned that a 'spectre of death' looms over Gaza where millions are stranded amid Israel's total siege that is blocking food, water, medicine and fuel from reaching the enclave.





















    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12634749/Fears-war-grow-Middle-East-Israel-evacuates-villages-close-Lebanon-Iran-backed-Hezbollah-vowed-respond-invasion-Netanyahu-warns-fateful-hour-approaches-one-MILLION-flee-Gaza-warns-spectre-death.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819
    edited October 2023
    Joseph M. Czuba accused of stabbing Muslim boy, Wadea Al-Fayoume, 6, more than 20 times to death and seriously injuring his mom in attack motivated by Hamas-Israel war
    The victim, identified as 6-year-old Wadea Al-Fayoume, was pronounced dead at the hospital
    He was stabbed 26 times with a large military-style knife by Joseph M. Czuba, according to an autopsy Sunday
    Authorities believe the killer to have been heavily influenced by the Hamas-Israel war and yelled 'you Muslims must die!' as he attacked the family







    Police charged 71-year-old suburban Chicago man Joseph M. Czuba (pictured left) Sunday with a hate crime for allegedly fatally stabbing 6-year-old Wadea Al-Fayoume (pictured right) and seriously wounding his 32-year-old mother, in a crime where local authorities believe the killer was influenced by the Israel-Hamas war

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12633659/Muslim-boy-stabbed-chicago-Joseph-Czuba-Wadea-Al-Fayoume-Israel-war.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819
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  • legascaaclegascaac Member Posts: 195
    not to sure about missile strike again.. not enough damage .... like flatbed trailer no big hole in ground .... these missiles are highly accurate.... looks more like someone else done it ... drumming up more trouble .... but they should be able to prove it if it was not them .... imagery will show from sats above and infa red imagery ... whose to blame
  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,686
    They are all to blame. During the Cold War both sides knew the locations of Strategic Command and the leaders and where they would be during a nuclear conflict. Both American and Soviet Commanders knew that certain officials had to remain alive because SOMEBODY HAD TO SWITCH IT OFF in order for there to some society left to inhabit.

    The trouble here is neither side is interested in a solution that does not include the complete destruction of the other. Death, misery and suffering are an acceptable price, everything and everyone is simply collateral damage in the quest for victory.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    The lack of balance in the reporting is shameful.

    As an example, various Western, predominantly Christian, nations, (including the US and UK) very publicly express their support for Israel. While simultaneously telling Arab, predominantly Muslim, nations, to "keep out of the conflict". Can't have it both ways.

    Then look at the different ways deaths are portrayed. Israeli deaths are given pictures, back stories. Gazans are not. They are just a number.

    Yes, the Hamas attack was shameful. But civilians being killed by an unexpected attack are not different to those civilians killed by state-planned systemic bombing. It's civilians being killed.
  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,385
    All this talk of trying to calm the situation down to prevent further bloodshed.
    Pity they didn't try a bit harder in Ukraine.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819
    Essexphil said:

    The lack of balance in the reporting is shameful.

    As an example, various Western, predominantly Christian, nations, (including the US and UK) very publicly express their support for Israel. While simultaneously telling Arab, predominantly Muslim, nations, to "keep out of the conflict". Can't have it both ways.

    Then look at the different ways deaths are portrayed. Israeli deaths are given pictures, back stories. Gazans are not. They are just a number.

    Yes, the Hamas attack was shameful. But civilians being killed by an unexpected attack are not different to those civilians killed by state-planned systemic bombing. It's civilians being killed.

    Why do you think there is such an imbalance in reporting?
  • legascaaclegascaac Member Posts: 195
    BBC well very bias based ,,all done for coverage , very one sided and quick to blame one side but quick to forget what happened in first place this time IS THAT NOT AN ACT OFF TERROR no much coverage off that ..one fires rockets from within its population getting them killed to drum up support .........Iranian backed ...authorities in GAZA killing there own people ...people they should represent....to drum up support from Arab nations...IRAN yet again .... stirring up tension .... sending amo .. to keep it going... while its poor people... off GAZA that pay the price ...its nasty and cowardly to mislead people about a misfired rocket ... but they've used methods like this .. blamed the other side ... as long as hamas is there Gaza will never fix .... but they voted for them ....that was there choice.... acts off terror all over world .... always the same done in the name off ...... ? there hatred off christian faith .... in general .... worrying times .... for us all
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The lack of balance in the reporting is shameful.

    As an example, various Western, predominantly Christian, nations, (including the US and UK) very publicly express their support for Israel. While simultaneously telling Arab, predominantly Muslim, nations, to "keep out of the conflict". Can't have it both ways.

    Then look at the different ways deaths are portrayed. Israeli deaths are given pictures, back stories. Gazans are not. They are just a number.

    Yes, the Hamas attack was shameful. But civilians being killed by an unexpected attack are not different to those civilians killed by state-planned systemic bombing. It's civilians being killed.

    Why do you think there is such an imbalance in reporting?
    Whole variety of reasons. Not as simple as people claim Factors include:-

    1. The sad fact is that politicians do this because there are votes in it for them. Voters in Western nations are more pre-disposed to the side that seems closer to themselves
    2. It remains the case that the Newspapers are overwhelmingly run by Christian and Jewish owners
    3. The Jewish people have suffered from appalling racism for 2000+ years. They are not alone in that, but are more adept than others at highlighting undoubted injustice
    4. Part of it boils down to money. Israel have the funds, both collectively and individually, to provide the sort of back stories that Gazans/Palestinians do not

    It is not the case that the atrocity perpetrated on Israel is not being accurately reported. It is. The point is that it is a 2-way street.

    And just supporting one side (either side) is not the right way forward. I do not want Rishi Sunak trying to win votes by proclaiming his support for Israel. Support in relation to the attack, yes. Support for a measured response, yes. Unquestioning support? No.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The lack of balance in the reporting is shameful.

    As an example, various Western, predominantly Christian, nations, (including the US and UK) very publicly express their support for Israel. While simultaneously telling Arab, predominantly Muslim, nations, to "keep out of the conflict". Can't have it both ways.

    Then look at the different ways deaths are portrayed. Israeli deaths are given pictures, back stories. Gazans are not. They are just a number.

    Yes, the Hamas attack was shameful. But civilians being killed by an unexpected attack are not different to those civilians killed by state-planned systemic bombing. It's civilians being killed.

    Why do you think there is such an imbalance in reporting?
    Whole variety of reasons. Not as simple as people claim Factors include:-

    1. The sad fact is that politicians do this because there are votes in it for them. Voters in Western nations are more pre-disposed to the side that seems closer to themselves
    2. It remains the case that the Newspapers are overwhelmingly run by Christian and Jewish owners
    3. The Jewish people have suffered from appalling racism for 2000+ years. They are not alone in that, but are more adept than others at highlighting undoubted injustice
    4. Part of it boils down to money. Israel have the funds, both collectively and individually, to provide the sort of back stories that Gazans/Palestinians do not

    It is not the case that the atrocity perpetrated on Israel is not being accurately reported. It is. The point is that it is a 2-way street.

    And just supporting one side (either side) is not the right way forward. I do not want Rishi Sunak trying to win votes by proclaiming his support for Israel. Support in relation to the attack, yes. Support for a measured response, yes. Unquestioning support? No.
    That makes sense.
    Its just very sad that innocent people on both sides have become collateral damage.
    The events of the last couple of weeks can only have hardened the views of both sides, and are likely to have made any solution impossible to imagine, anytime in the foreseeable future.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The lack of balance in the reporting is shameful.

    As an example, various Western, predominantly Christian, nations, (including the US and UK) very publicly express their support for Israel. While simultaneously telling Arab, predominantly Muslim, nations, to "keep out of the conflict". Can't have it both ways.

    Then look at the different ways deaths are portrayed. Israeli deaths are given pictures, back stories. Gazans are not. They are just a number.

    Yes, the Hamas attack was shameful. But civilians being killed by an unexpected attack are not different to those civilians killed by state-planned systemic bombing. It's civilians being killed.

    Why do you think there is such an imbalance in reporting?
    Whole variety of reasons. Not as simple as people claim Factors include:-

    1. The sad fact is that politicians do this because there are votes in it for them. Voters in Western nations are more pre-disposed to the side that seems closer to themselves
    2. It remains the case that the Newspapers are overwhelmingly run by Christian and Jewish owners
    3. The Jewish people have suffered from appalling racism for 2000+ years. They are not alone in that, but are more adept than others at highlighting undoubted injustice
    4. Part of it boils down to money. Israel have the funds, both collectively and individually, to provide the sort of back stories that Gazans/Palestinians do not

    It is not the case that the atrocity perpetrated on Israel is not being accurately reported. It is. The point is that it is a 2-way street.

    And just supporting one side (either side) is not the right way forward. I do not want Rishi Sunak trying to win votes by proclaiming his support for Israel. Support in relation to the attack, yes. Support for a measured response, yes. Unquestioning support? No.
    That makes sense.
    Its just very sad that innocent people on both sides have become collateral damage.
    The events of the last couple of weeks can only have hardened the views of both sides, and are likely to have made any solution impossible to imagine, anytime in the foreseeable future.
    Completely agree.

    On that subject, did Rishi Sunak stop to consider the possible knock-on effect of 1 of the World's most influential Hindus standing behind a country proclaiming it is "at war" with a Muslim country?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,819
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Essexphil said:

    The lack of balance in the reporting is shameful.

    As an example, various Western, predominantly Christian, nations, (including the US and UK) very publicly express their support for Israel. While simultaneously telling Arab, predominantly Muslim, nations, to "keep out of the conflict". Can't have it both ways.

    Then look at the different ways deaths are portrayed. Israeli deaths are given pictures, back stories. Gazans are not. They are just a number.

    Yes, the Hamas attack was shameful. But civilians being killed by an unexpected attack are not different to those civilians killed by state-planned systemic bombing. It's civilians being killed.

    Why do you think there is such an imbalance in reporting?
    Whole variety of reasons. Not as simple as people claim Factors include:-

    1. The sad fact is that politicians do this because there are votes in it for them. Voters in Western nations are more pre-disposed to the side that seems closer to themselves
    2. It remains the case that the Newspapers are overwhelmingly run by Christian and Jewish owners
    3. The Jewish people have suffered from appalling racism for 2000+ years. They are not alone in that, but are more adept than others at highlighting undoubted injustice
    4. Part of it boils down to money. Israel have the funds, both collectively and individually, to provide the sort of back stories that Gazans/Palestinians do not

    It is not the case that the atrocity perpetrated on Israel is not being accurately reported. It is. The point is that it is a 2-way street.

    And just supporting one side (either side) is not the right way forward. I do not want Rishi Sunak trying to win votes by proclaiming his support for Israel. Support in relation to the attack, yes. Support for a measured response, yes. Unquestioning support? No.
    That makes sense.
    Its just very sad that innocent people on both sides have become collateral damage.
    The events of the last couple of weeks can only have hardened the views of both sides, and are likely to have made any solution impossible to imagine, anytime in the foreseeable future.
    Completely agree.

    On that subject, did Rishi Sunak stop to consider the possible knock-on effect of 1 of the World's most influential Hindus standing behind a country proclaiming it is "at war" with a Muslim country?
    Probably not.
  • legascaaclegascaac Member Posts: 195
    the hindus and the rest off muslims round about them do not get on very well. there's always tensions on india / pakistan border as well usually over kashmir region .. its all just wrong and no chance off sorting it out too much hatred on both sides ... rishi knows what he's up to .. the muslims go after each other as well the different factions small ones get it off larger groups ... there's always tension somewhere over middle east .. its just sad they can't try a bit harder for the sake of the children and generations to follow .. the only thing that happens is the young die for old twisted men hiding in other countries or in the background somewhere that keep it going .. racial hatred seems all they know... WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT HAPPENED HERE ?... WIPE OUT or talk to sort it .... ???
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,767
    legascaac said:

    the hindus and the rest off muslims round about them do not get on very well. there's always tensions on india / pakistan border as well usually over kashmir region .. its all just wrong and no chance off sorting it out too much hatred on both sides ... rishi knows what he's up to .. the muslims go after each other as well the different factions small ones get it off larger groups ... there's always tension somewhere over middle east .. its just sad they can't try a bit harder for the sake of the children and generations to follow .. the only thing that happens is the young die for old twisted men hiding in other countries or in the background somewhere that keep it going .. racial hatred seems all they know... WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT HAPPENED HERE ?... WIPE OUT or talk to sort it .... ???

    It does happen here.

    People who believe in the same God. Fighting, killing, bombing. Attacking innocent civilians. On both sides. To this day, taking it in turns making excuses to refuse to be in the same room.

    For Sunni and Shiite Muslim, try Catholic and Protestant.

    Situation is better now than for many years. But still not great.
  • legascaaclegascaac Member Posts: 195
    its a lot better here than in 70's n 80's the tit for tat killings are mainly a thing off past not a daily nightmare, but sadly no improvement in middle east , they need to get round the table and sort it .. took brave men here to sort it for the better but they did gerry adams and a few others made it happen brave men and well done to them all .. a just can't see it happening there just barbaric acts off terror followed by more terror
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