Ireland just got an extra 700m from EU import duty. Perhaps they could build some nice accommodation for the refugees after all Ireland is a safe country, just like France.
Ireland just got an extra 700m from EU import duty. Perhaps they could build some nice accommodation for the refugees after all Ireland is a safe country, just like France.
Mark Francois is one of the biggest ar5eholes in UK politics. And that is really saying something these days. A hateful tw at.
You are at least consistent. Whenever a dispute arises between the UK, and another country, or bloc, your default position is that it is always their fault, never ours, and often defies logic, and common sense. Particularly when it concerns the EU, or an EU member.
The reason that Ireland are in receipt of additional duty, is because of Brexit, and that was our choice.
The reason they have had a massive increase in illegals, is apparently down to our governments Rwanda policy. As well as our complete incompetence in manging our borders. Our government has earmarked 5,700 failed asylum seekers for Rwanda. This applies to arrivals from the start of 2022, until the middle of last year. They admitted yesterday that they had lost 68% of them. Some or all of whom may currently be in Ireland or on their way. This further demonstrates our utter incompetence in dealing with asylum seekers. We take years to process applications, and fail to deport those that are unsuccessful. How do they get to Ireland from the UK unchecked? More incompetence?
The reason that they can easily travel from NI to Ireland, is because of the GFA, as you know. This agreement prohibits a land border on the island of Ireland. The agreement was between our government, the Irish government, and various political parties in NI. This put an end to 30 years of the Troubles. Nobody in their right minds should want to see a return to hostilities. A land border in Ireland is therefore out of the question.
So we are paying the duty because of Brexit. Failed asylum seekers arriving in Ireland will be down to the threat of our governments Rwanda legislation. They can only arrive in Ireland because we cant manage our borders.
You have to laugh. Much of the press in this country, as well as the Brexiteers, have spent years blaming the French for the small boats. The same people are now blaming the Irish, for our failed asylum seekers arriving there.
Ireland just got an extra 700m from EU import duty. Perhaps they could build some nice accommodation for the refugees after all Ireland is a safe country, just like France.
Mark Francois is one of the biggest ar5eholes in UK politics. And that is really saying something these days. A hateful tw at.
You are at least consistent. Whenever a dispute arises between the UK, and another country, or bloc, your default position is that it is always their fault, never ours, and often defies logic, and common sense. Particularly when it concerns the EU, or an EU member.
The reason that Ireland are in receipt of additional duty, is because of Brexit, and that was our choice.
The reason they have had a massive increase in illegals, is apparently down to our governments Rwanda policy. As well as our complete incompetence in manging our borders. Our government has earmarked 5,700 failed asylum seekers for Rwanda. This applies to arrivals from the start of 2022, until the middle of last year. They admitted yesterday that they had lost 68% of them. Some or all of whom may currently be in Ireland or on their way. This further demonstrates our utter incompetence in dealing with asylum seekers. We take years to process applications, and fail to deport those that are unsuccessful. How do they get to Ireland from the UK unchecked? More incompetence?
The reason that they can easily travel from NI to Ireland, is because of the GFA, as you know. This agreement prohibits a land border on the island of Ireland. The agreement was between our government, the Irish government, and various political parties in NI. This put an end to 30 years of the Troubles. Nobody in their right minds should want to see a return to hostilities. A land border in Ireland is therefore out of the question.
So we are paying the duty because of Brexit. Failed asylum seekers arriving in Ireland will be down to the threat of our governments Rwanda legislation. They can only arrive in Ireland because we cant manage our borders.
You have to laugh. Much of the press in this country, as well as the Brexiteers, have spent years blaming the French for the small boats. The same people are now blaming the Irish, for our failed asylum seekers arriving there.
I have got to add this little bit. We have spent over half a billion quid on the Rwanda scheme so far. More Home Secretaries have been to Rwanda, than asylum seekers. Rwanda have to approve anyone we wish to send. We then have to pay them £171,000 per person they accept. We could build them a house for that amount. To just describe this as incompetent, doesnt quite do it justice.
We, as in Britain get hammered by the liberals for wanting to send them back but when it's another country all of a sudden there's arguments for returning them.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
We are ostracized for wanting to return illegals to France, but are expected to let another Sovereign Nation do exactly that because they travelled there from the UK. Well they travelled here from France.
Can't have different rules now can we. Although I suppose the bleeding hearts will argue that it's different because............ insert your own excuse here.
Not an anti EU thing, not an anti Ireland thing, it's a one size fits all thing. Don't tell us we can't do something and then expect to do the very same thing yourself.
We, as in Britain get hammered by the liberals for wanting to send them back but when it's another country all of a sudden there's arguments for returning them.
I think that many people feel empathy for people fleeing persecution, famine, and wars. Logically we cant accept an unlimited number of immigrants. I dont see the point of even going through an asylum application process. What is the point. Those that fail stay here anyway, or disappear. So what is the point of the applications. We have to abide by the law, and therefore allow those that arrive on small boats to come ashore. At that point they are our responsibility. Nobody elses. We can blame who we want, but they are our responsibility. Over 100 million people worldwide have fled their homes. It therefore doesnt matter how liberal you are, logic dictates that we cant accept all of them. Therefore there has to be a limit of some sort. We dont have safe routes. We are stupid. First off we say that they cant apply for asylum unless the are on UK soil. Then we complain when they jump on a small boat to reach UK soil. Idiotic.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
I dont see hypocrisy. Ireland didnt have a problem until the Rwanda legislation going through became a realistic possibility. They couldnt even get to Ireland if we were properly controlling our borders. How does an illegal get from GB to NI? Once in NI, they can just walk into Ireland. Controlling our Borders was a Brexit rallying cry. How can Ireland be at fault if we cant control our borders.
We are ostracized for wanting to return illegals to France,
I dont think we are. We just dont have an agreement with the French, and would probably have a better chance if we were still EU members.
but are expected to let another Sovereign Nation do exactly that because they travelled there from the UK. Well they travelled here from France.
But they can only get to Ireland through our incompetence.
Can't have different rules now can we. Although I suppose the bleeding hearts will argue that it's different because............ insert your own excuse here.
It is our fault. We created the problem in Ireland.
Not an anti EU thing, not an anti Ireland thing, it's a one size fits all thing. Don't tell us we can't do something and then expect to do the very same thing yourself.
The problem didnt exist before the Rwanda scheme. They arrive in the UK, and are our responsibility. We take years to process their applications. There is a backlog of 128,000 applications. The Home Office lose them. They regularly send deportation letters to the wrong hotel. We cant even keep track of people arriving legally on visas. We just dont know if they ever leave, after the visa has run out The whole thing costs a fortune. Money that could be better spent elsewhere.
We, as in Britain get hammered by the liberals for wanting to send them back but when it's another country all of a sudden there's arguments for returning them.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
We are ostracized for wanting to return illegals to France, but are expected to let another Sovereign Nation do exactly that because they travelled there from the UK. Well they travelled here from France.
Can't have different rules now can we. Although I suppose the bleeding hearts will argue that it's different because............ insert your own excuse here.
Not an anti EU thing, not an anti Ireland thing, it's a one size fits all thing. Don't tell us we can't do something and then expect to do the very same thing yourself.
Rwanda 'likely' to break deal asylum seeker deal with UK, campaigner warns Rwanda has been accused of taking refugees from another country previously and sending them to a third country
Rwanda could break the terms of its deal with the UK to take in its asylum seekers and face few consequences, a campaigner has warned.
On Tuesday it emerged that only 2,143 out of the 5,700 people identified for removal to the East African nation “continue to report to the Home Office and can be located for detention” - with the government insisting they "will be found".
Ireland just got an extra 700m from EU import duty. Perhaps they could build some nice accommodation for the refugees after all Ireland is a safe country, just like France.
We, as in Britain get hammered by the liberals for wanting to send them back but when it's another country all of a sudden there's arguments for returning them.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
We are ostracized for wanting to return illegals to France, but are expected to let another Sovereign Nation do exactly that because they travelled there from the UK. Well they travelled here from France.
Can't have different rules now can we. Although I suppose the bleeding hearts will argue that it's different because............ insert your own excuse here.
Not an anti EU thing, not an anti Ireland thing, it's a one size fits all thing. Don't tell us we can't do something and then expect to do the very same thing yourself.
We, as in Britain get hammered by the liberals for wanting to send them back but when it's another country all of a sudden there's arguments for returning them.
I think that many people feel empathy for people fleeing persecution, famine, and wars. Logically we cant accept an unlimited number of immigrants. I dont see the point of even going through an asylum application process. What is the point. Those that fail stay here anyway, or disappear. So what is the point of the applications. We have to abide by the law, and therefore allow those that arrive on small boats to come ashore. At that point they are our responsibility. Nobody elses. We can blame who we want, but they are our responsibility. Over 100 million people worldwide have fled their homes. It therefore doesnt matter how liberal you are, logic dictates that we cant accept all of them. Therefore there has to be a limit of some sort. We dont have safe routes. We are stupid. First off we say that they cant apply for asylum unless the are on UK soil. Then we complain when they jump on a small boat to reach UK soil. Idiotic.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
I dont see hypocrisy. Ireland didnt have a problem until the Rwanda legislation going through became a realistic possibility. They couldnt even get to Ireland if we were properly controlling our borders. How does an illegal get from GB to NI? Once in NI, they can just walk into Ireland. Controlling our Borders was a Brexit rallying cry. How can Ireland be at fault if we cant control our borders.
We are ostracized for wanting to return illegals to France,
I dont think we are. We just dont have an agreement with the French, and would probably have a better chance if we were still EU members.
but are expected to let another Sovereign Nation do exactly that because they travelled there from the UK. Well they travelled here from France.
But they can only get to Ireland through our incompetence.
Can't have different rules now can we. Although I suppose the bleeding hearts will argue that it's different because............ insert your own excuse here.
It is our fault. We created the problem in Ireland.
Not an anti EU thing, not an anti Ireland thing, it's a one size fits all thing. Don't tell us we can't do something and then expect to do the very same thing yourself.
The problem didnt exist before the Rwanda scheme. They arrive in the UK, and are our responsibility. We take years to process their applications. There is a backlog of 128,000 applications. The Home Office lose them. They regularly send deportation letters to the wrong hotel. We cant even keep track of people arriving legally on visas. We just dont know if they ever leave, after the visa has run out The whole thing costs a fortune. Money that could be better spent elsewhere.
Tony, these people are not fleeing persecution and war. They are fleeing France. Many are not families but single males. They come over in boats illegally because they are people who would not fit the criteria of refugees
The only reason they are desperate to come to the UK is they know they can milk the system until they get caught out and then an army of wishy washy liberal lawyers will tell them all they need to know to circumvent the laws.
I have total sympathy for those fleeing war, persecution, servitude and torture. However there's an awful lot of land between their warzones and our little island. So why the clamour to come here.
We, as in Britain get hammered by the liberals for wanting to send them back but when it's another country all of a sudden there's arguments for returning them.
I think that many people feel empathy for people fleeing persecution, famine, and wars. Logically we cant accept an unlimited number of immigrants. I dont see the point of even going through an asylum application process. What is the point. Those that fail stay here anyway, or disappear. So what is the point of the applications. We have to abide by the law, and therefore allow those that arrive on small boats to come ashore. At that point they are our responsibility. Nobody elses. We can blame who we want, but they are our responsibility. Over 100 million people worldwide have fled their homes. It therefore doesnt matter how liberal you are, logic dictates that we cant accept all of them. Therefore there has to be a limit of some sort. We dont have safe routes. We are stupid. First off we say that they cant apply for asylum unless the are on UK soil. Then we complain when they jump on a small boat to reach UK soil. Idiotic.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
I dont see hypocrisy. Ireland didnt have a problem until the Rwanda legislation going through became a realistic possibility. They couldnt even get to Ireland if we were properly controlling our borders. How does an illegal get from GB to NI? Once in NI, they can just walk into Ireland. Controlling our Borders was a Brexit rallying cry. How can Ireland be at fault if we cant control our borders.
We are ostracized for wanting to return illegals to France,
I dont think we are. We just dont have an agreement with the French, and would probably have a better chance if we were still EU members.
but are expected to let another Sovereign Nation do exactly that because they travelled there from the UK. Well they travelled here from France.
But they can only get to Ireland through our incompetence.
Can't have different rules now can we. Although I suppose the bleeding hearts will argue that it's different because............ insert your own excuse here.
It is our fault. We created the problem in Ireland.
Not an anti EU thing, not an anti Ireland thing, it's a one size fits all thing. Don't tell us we can't do something and then expect to do the very same thing yourself.
The problem didnt exist before the Rwanda scheme. They arrive in the UK, and are our responsibility. We take years to process their applications. There is a backlog of 128,000 applications. The Home Office lose them. They regularly send deportation letters to the wrong hotel. We cant even keep track of people arriving legally on visas. We just dont know if they ever leave, after the visa has run out The whole thing costs a fortune. Money that could be better spent elsewhere.
Tony, these people are not fleeing persecution and war. They are fleeing France. Many are not families but single males. They come over in boats illegally because they are people who would not fit the criteria of refugees
The only reason they are desperate to come to the UK is they know they can milk the system until they get caught out and then an army of wishy washy liberal lawyers will tell them all they need to know to circumvent the laws.
I suppose this could be true except for the fact that last year we refused 33%, that means we accepted 67% of the applications. The 33% that was only refused at initial decision, and may have been accepted on appeal. So the final figure of acceptances will be much higher than 67%. They may have been accepted on appeal through a sham conversion to Christianity, or that they were gay, despite subsequently fathering 3 children. An estimate of those that have fled their homes due to persecution, war, and famine is over 100 million worldwide. You cant therefore have it both ways. Either what you say is true, and we shouldnt be accepting such a high percentage of them. Or what you have said is not true, and the vast majority are genuine asylum seekers, and are accepted on merit.
In 2023, 67,337 applications for asylum were made in the UK, relating to 84,425 individuals, according to parliamentary research. Of those, 33% were refused at initial decision. In 2023, 29,437 people arrived on small boats, 36% fewer than in 2022 (45,774), according to the Home Office. How many asylum seekers does the UK have? - Yahoo News UK uk.news.yahoo.com/how-many-asylum-seekers-uk-taken-in-173658271.html uk.news.yahoo.com/how-many-asylum-seekers-uk-taken-in-173658271.html
Decisions and refusals Not all asylum applications are successful. In 2023, 33% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals). The annual refusal rate was highest in 2004 (88%) and lowest in recent times in 2022 (24%). When an application is refused at initial decision, it may be appealed. Between 2004 to 2021, around three-quarters of applicants refused asylum at initial decision lodged an appeal and almost one third of those appeals were allowed.
I have total sympathy for those fleeing war, persecution, servitude and torture.
Do you really?
However there's an awful lot of land between their warzones and our little island. So why the clamour to come here.
There were the Bulgarians that robbed the benefit system of £50million, the other day. So perhaps this was because they thought we are stupid. The evidence probably backs this up. The numbers arriving on small boats is a very small percentage of net migration. I dont know why they choose the UK, though many have family already living here. They may choose the UK because they think it is a good country to live in. Many people arrive on visas and never leave.
They choose to live in the UK because we are a soft touch NO OTHER reason. Money, housing, medical care, welfare system. A legal system that does little to punish the criminal element amongst them and a total lack of ability to properly monitor them.
The numbers arriving by small boats might be "a very small percentage of net migration". However they are all "ILLEGAL" migrants, so one could assume they are a very large percentage of that particular demographic.
So whilst I feel that Rawanda is not an effective solution. These people do now have a choice. Stay in France and make a life there or come to the UK and maybe get shipped off to Rawanda. That's THEIR choice, nobody forces them to come over.
Although it would appear that Ireland now has an allure that the UK lacks.
They choose to live in the UK because we are a soft touch NO OTHER reason. Money, housing, medical care, welfare system. A legal system that does little to punish the criminal element amongst them and a total lack of ability to properly monitor them.
The numbers arriving by small boats might be "a very small percentage of net migration". However they are all "ILLEGAL" migrants, so one could assume they are a very large percentage of that particular demographic.
So whilst I feel that Rawanda is not an effective solution. These people do now have a choice. Stay in France and make a life there or come to the UK and maybe get shipped off to Rawanda. That's THEIR choice, nobody forces them to come over.
Although it would appear that Ireland now has an allure that the UK lacks.
They choose to live in the UK because we are a soft touch NO OTHER reason. Money, housing, medical care, welfare system. A legal system that does little to punish the criminal element amongst them and a total lack of ability to properly monitor them.
The numbers arriving by small boats might be "a very small percentage of net migration". However they are all "ILLEGAL" migrants, so one could assume they are a very large percentage of that particular demographic.
So whilst I feel that Rawanda is not an effective solution. These people do now have a choice. Stay in France and make a life there or come to the UK and maybe get shipped off to Rawanda. That's THEIR choice, nobody forces them to come over.
Although it would appear that Ireland now has an allure that the UK lacks.
They choose to live in the UK because we are a soft touch NO OTHER reason. Money, housing, medical care, welfare system. A legal system that does little to punish the criminal element amongst them and a total lack of ability to properly monitor them.
The numbers arriving by small boats might be "a very small percentage of net migration". However they are all "ILLEGAL" migrants, so one could assume they are a very large percentage of that particular demographic.
So whilst I feel that Rawanda is not an effective solution. These people do now have a choice. Stay in France and make a life there or come to the UK and maybe get shipped off to Rawanda. That's THEIR choice, nobody forces them to come over.
Although it would appear that Ireland now has an allure that the UK lacks.
I can see why you voted for Brexit. You must be disappointed that it has been such an unmitigated disaster.
The stats below should put an end to your irrational theories. You you will of course know that our government eventually reached an agreement with Albania over returns. This has completely put a stop arrivals from there. The other five are well known democracies, and none of them have any wars going on. Maybe you could explain how anyone could apply for UK asylum, without getting in a small boat. The odd safe route might help. We have even turned our back on many in Afghanistan, that were promised asylum in the UK.
Three quarters of all small boat arrivals between 2018 and 2023 were nationals from just six countries: Iran (21,546), Afghanistan (16,636), Iraq (15,388), Albania (14,480), Syria (8,528) and Eritrea (8,068). Chart: Who Is Crossing the English Channel? | Statista www.statista.com/chart/32171/share-of-small-boat-arrivals-to-uk-by-nationality/ www.statista.com/chart/32171/share-of-small-boat-arrivals-to-uk-by-nationality/
More than half of Afghans left behind after working with UK forces still trapped and ‘fearing for their lives’ Exclusive: Warnings thousands of eligible Afghans still trapped as ex-interpreters say they ‘will be killed’
This maybe a silly question but how are these people entering France in the first place ? Do they not have border controls with neighbouring countries ? I know the EU allows freedom of movement of its citizens but surely there must be some kind of border controls to check who is actually entering the country ?
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Ireland just got an extra 700m from EU import duty. Perhaps they could build some nice accommodation for the refugees after all Ireland is a safe country, just like France.
And that is really saying something these days.
A hateful tw at.
You are at least consistent.
Whenever a dispute arises between the UK, and another country, or bloc, your default position is that it is always their fault, never ours, and often defies logic, and common sense.
Particularly when it concerns the EU, or an EU member.
The reason that Ireland are in receipt of additional duty, is because of Brexit, and that was our choice.
The reason they have had a massive increase in illegals, is apparently down to our governments Rwanda policy.
As well as our complete incompetence in manging our borders.
Our government has earmarked 5,700 failed asylum seekers for Rwanda.
This applies to arrivals from the start of 2022, until the middle of last year.
They admitted yesterday that they had lost 68% of them.
Some or all of whom may currently be in Ireland or on their way.
This further demonstrates our utter incompetence in dealing with asylum seekers.
We take years to process applications, and fail to deport those that are unsuccessful.
How do they get to Ireland from the UK unchecked?
More incompetence?
The reason that they can easily travel from NI to Ireland, is because of the GFA, as you know.
This agreement prohibits a land border on the island of Ireland.
The agreement was between our government, the Irish government, and various political parties in NI.
This put an end to 30 years of the Troubles.
Nobody in their right minds should want to see a return to hostilities.
A land border in Ireland is therefore out of the question.
So we are paying the duty because of Brexit.
Failed asylum seekers arriving in Ireland will be down to the threat of our governments Rwanda legislation.
They can only arrive in Ireland because we cant manage our borders.
You have to laugh.
Much of the press in this country, as well as the Brexiteers, have spent years blaming the French for the small boats.
The same people are now blaming the Irish, for our failed asylum seekers arriving there.
We have spent over half a billion quid on the Rwanda scheme so far.
More Home Secretaries have been to Rwanda, than asylum seekers.
Rwanda have to approve anyone we wish to send.
We then have to pay them £171,000 per person they accept.
We could build them a house for that amount.
To just describe this as incompetent, doesnt quite do it justice.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/dublin-overrun-by-migrants-as-tent-city-lines-pavement-around-asylum-processing-centre/ar-AA1nWcyJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=NMTS&cvid=aef3dc3a77224dce9058ee4833cbe53d&ei=70
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
We are ostracized for wanting to return illegals to France, but are expected to let another Sovereign Nation do exactly that because they travelled there from the UK. Well they travelled here from France.
Can't have different rules now can we. Although I suppose the bleeding hearts will argue that it's different because............ insert your own excuse here.
Not an anti EU thing, not an anti Ireland thing, it's a one size fits all thing. Don't tell us we can't do something and then expect to do the very same thing yourself.
Rwanda has been accused of taking refugees from another country previously and sending them to a third country
Rwanda could break the terms of its deal with the UK to take in its asylum seekers and face few consequences, a campaigner has warned.
On Tuesday it emerged that only 2,143 out of the 5,700 people identified for removal to the East African nation “continue to report to the Home Office and can be located for detention” - with the government insisting they "will be found".
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/rwanda-break-deal-asylum-deal-uk-rishi-sunak-171942036.html
The only reason they are desperate to come to the UK is they know they can milk the system until they get caught out and then an army of wishy washy liberal lawyers will tell them all they need to know to circumvent the laws.
I have total sympathy for those fleeing war, persecution, servitude and torture. However there's an awful lot of land between their warzones and our little island. So why the clamour to come here.
So perhaps this was because they thought we are stupid.
The evidence probably backs this up.
The numbers arriving on small boats is a very small percentage of net migration.
I dont know why they choose the UK, though many have family already living here.
They may choose the UK because they think it is a good country to live in.
Many people arrive on visas and never leave.
The numbers arriving by small boats might be "a very small percentage of net migration". However they are all "ILLEGAL" migrants, so one could assume they are a very large percentage of that particular demographic.
So whilst I feel that Rawanda is not an effective solution. These people do now have a choice. Stay in France and make a life there or come to the UK and maybe get shipped off to Rawanda. That's THEIR choice, nobody forces them to come over.
Although it would appear that Ireland now has an allure that the UK lacks.
You must be disappointed that it has been such an unmitigated disaster.
The stats below should put an end to your irrational theories.
You you will of course know that our government eventually reached an agreement with Albania over returns.
This has completely put a stop arrivals from there.
The other five are well known democracies, and none of them have any wars going on.
Maybe you could explain how anyone could apply for UK asylum, without getting in a small boat.
The odd safe route might help.
We have even turned our back on many in Afghanistan, that were promised asylum in the UK.
Three quarters of all small boat arrivals between 2018 and 2023 were nationals from just six countries: Iran (21,546), Afghanistan (16,636), Iraq (15,388), Albania (14,480), Syria (8,528) and Eritrea (8,068).
Chart: Who Is Crossing the English Channel? | Statista
www.statista.com/chart/32171/share-of-small-boat-arrivals-to-uk-by-nationality/
www.statista.com/chart/32171/share-of-small-boat-arrivals-to-uk-by-nationality/
More than half of Afghans left behind after working with UK forces still trapped and ‘fearing for their lives’
Exclusive: Warnings thousands of eligible Afghans still trapped as ex-interpreters say they ‘will be killed’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/afghan-interpreters-arap-foreign-office-uk-b1981936.html