You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.

You might need to refresh your page afterwards.

Options

Supreme Court rules the Government's Rwanda policy is UNLAWFUL

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 163,247
«13456712

Comments

  • Options
    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 163,247

    More news later today it seems including a Press Conference by Mr Sunak.


    James Cleverly, the new home secretary, will make a statement in the House of Commons. And the prime minister will host a press conference at Downing Street at 16:45.
  • Options
    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,364
    Not really a surprise.
  • Options
    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    edited November 2023
    What is a surprise is how clearly unprepared the Government were-not at losing, but to the extent of that Judgment.

    Both Mr Sunak & Ms Braverman have been trying to move forward in relation to the blame game and what to do next. The big plan was for Braverman to claim her idea was really for Rwanda to process UK Asylum claims on the UK's behalf. And Sunak/Cleverly are claiming that is what they do next.

    There are loads of obvious problems with this plan:-

    1. You can't claim it is illegal to come here, then ship people off to Rwanda, when the only 2 decisions that would always be allowable are to accept the claim, and ship people back to the UK. Or refuse and, er, ship people back to the UK

    2. Rwanda clearly has problems of its own to be able to carry this out anyway. The Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court have stated that (a) Rwanda's Human Rights record is not good enough; and (b) that they have previous in sending Israel's asylum seekers back to countries where they face death

    3. The most obvious barrier to all of this is time. This Government has a year (or less) left. It has spent 19 months and £140 million getting precisely nowhere. There is now an additional hurdle to overcome, namely proving that Rwanda is capable of being a fit and proper country to process claims at all. They are seriously trying to convince people that they can alter domestic law, alter International Law, leave the ECHR, and restore Rwanda's reputation. Within a year. It would be an achievement if that could be done before the election after the next one. I would be surprised if that could be achieved in 6 years.

    This is just a Government continuing to spend taxpayers' money on something that is never going to happen under this Government. Rather than taking steps to actually deal with the backlog, and change rules in relation to international students.
  • Options
    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 163,247

    "The PM said he would introduce "emergency legislation" that would enable Parliament to "confirm Rwanda is safe", aiming to stop a stream of legal challenges"



    How can a piece of UK legislation make Rwanda safe?
  • Options
    DoublemeDoubleme Member Posts: 1,822
    This government is looking worse then Trump for defining reality what they want it to be regardless of the consequences.

    They want to over ride doctors on deciding who lives or dies with relation to covid.
    They want to over ride doctors in determining who is or is not fit for work.
    They want to legisilate to deny reality on Rwanda.

    This government is arrogant and evil in the extreme I wont say I will never vote Tory again but I will say I am going to make a list of all Tory MPS who have supported this government and not resigned in disgust and will never vote Tory again until every single one of them is removed or no longer in place.

  • Options
    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,364
    edited November 2023
    Blokeish James Cleverly ‘like Baldrick … without the cunning plan’



    It was the PMQs after Rishi Sunak’s worst-ever day in No 10 – or at least, the worst since the day before – and the opposition were ****-a-hoop.

    “I hardly need to remind the Prime Minister,” began Sir Keir Starmer, in the tone of someone who was about to enjoy asking to see the manager, “of the threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party.” Rather than majoring on the Supreme Court, he went in on the PM’s choice of Foreign Secretary.

    But the best “Call Me Dave” action came not from Starmer, but Kevin Brennan, who asked the PM to name David Cameron’s finest foreign policy achievement.

    Mr Sunak very convincingly began his reply by saying there were “many, many to pick from”. You could see the panic in his eyes as his brain ran through the options – Libya, Syria, Brussels renegotiations.

    In the end, the needle finally alighted on “he hosted a G8 summit” – widely considered, Mr Sunak assured us, to be one of the most successful of recent times.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/blokeish-james-cleverly-baldrick-without-190909388.html
  • Options
    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,364
  • Options
    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,364
    'That Is Incredible Spin': Robert Jenrick Roasted For Claiming The Government 'Won' Rwanda Ruling


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/incredible-spin-robert-jenrick-roasted-070250179.html
  • Options
    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,364
  • Options
    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 163,247

    Goodness me...


    "The PM's current Rwanda plan will mean no asylum seekers are flown there before the next election, sacked home secretary Suella Braverman has said.

    Writing in the Telegraph, she said "tinkering with a failed plan" would not achieve the government's aims.


    She said the government should ignore human rights laws and obligations in their "entirety" to push it through."
  • Options
    green_beergreen_beer Member Posts: 1,846
    @Tikay10 that bit in bold is frightening.
  • Options
    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 163,247

    @Tikay10 that bit in bold is frightening.

    Frightening, & scary.

    In a decent society, it's necessary to have rules & laws, & here we have a prominent member of our current ruling party suggesting "if we don't agree with the laws, then we'll break them".

    Very, very depressing.
  • Options
    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,364
    Tikay10 said:

    @Tikay10 that bit in bold is frightening.

    Frightening, & scary.

    In a decent society, it's necessary to have rules & laws, & here we have a prominent member of our current ruling party suggesting "if we don't agree with the laws, then we'll break them".

    Very, very depressing.
    I suppose we should feel a little more positive now that she has been fired, and her replacement seems to have more balanced views.
  • Options
    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 33,364
    Tikay10 said:

    @Tikay10 that bit in bold is frightening.

    Frightening, & scary.

    In a decent society, it's necessary to have rules & laws, & here we have a prominent member of our current ruling party suggesting "if we don't agree with the laws, then we'll break them".

    Very, very depressing.
    James Cleverly does not deny privately ridiculing Rwanda policy




    Home Secretary James Cleverly has declined to explicitly deny privately describing the Rwanda policy as "batshit".

    When questioned on BBC Breakfast, Mr Cleverly said he did not remember using the term.

    The home secretary again defended plans to fly asylum seekers to Rwanda, claiming the scheme was "already having a deterrent effect" on small boat crossings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-67440137
  • Options
    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    edited November 2023
    An interesting point was raised on last night's Question Time.

    We currently have about 1 million people coming here every year. This year, it is expected that about 30,000 will enter "illegally" via small boat.

    So-97% legal. 3% illegal. But it gets even more ridiculous. The last "deal" with Rwanda was supposed to result in them taking in between 1,000-2,000 people a year.

    All this fuss. All this expense. For what? A proposed "solution" that will deal with between 0.1%-0.2% of people coming to this country. And only between 3%-6% of boat people.

    Suella Braverman is right about 1 thing. Under the current plan, there will be no people actually leaving before the next election. Whereupon the current "plan" will be ditched anyway. While the Tories try and blame everyone else for their total refusal to provide any meaningful measures that actually provide any sort of solution. The Judges. English Law. International Law. Human Rights.

    While tens of thousands of desperate people live in limbo.
  • Options
    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 163,247
    edited November 2023
    Utterly ridiculous, isn't it? And very, very, sad.

    We have a great standard of living in the UK, & it seems some people resent sharing our good fortune, inherited by the "Ovarian Lottery", with 30,000 unfortunate people a year. Meanwhile, many times that number come here on Student Visas & never leave.

    I'm reminded of Mr Sunak blabbering on last night about "fixing potholes". Like, in the grand scheme of things, that matters...

    Fiddling while Rome burns.
  • Options
    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    Tikay10 said:

    Utterly ridiculous, isn't it? And very, very, sad.

    We have a great standard of living in the UK, & it seems some people resent sharing our good fortune, inherited by the "Ovarian Lottery", with 30,000 unfortunate people a year. Meanwhile, many times that number come here on Student Visas & never leave.

    I'm reminded of Mr Sunak blabbering on last night about "fixing potholes". Like, in the grand scheme of things, that matters...

    Fiddling while Rome burns.

    It's worse than "fiddling".

    It is spending a massive amount of money on a variety of purely long-term vanity/legacy projects when he has the political life expectancy of a wine gum.
  • Options
    Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 163,247
    edited November 2023
    If he really put some effort into fixing the problems at the NHS he might get more respect.

    Instead, let's pretend to fix the "potholes".

    World's gone mad.

  • Options
    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,368
    Tikay10 said:

    If he really put some effort into fixing the problems at the NHS he might get more respect.

    Instead, let's pretend to fix the "potholes".

    World's gone mad.

    The "potholes" bit is actually quite sensible.

    The pressures on Local Government have been immense, as Central Government has massively reduced its support. Part of the reason why various Local Authorities are effectively Bankrupt, and nearly all have slashed spending on "non-core" expenditure-for example, fixing potholes.

    Fixing problems at the NHS? No-one can fix that. Although the next Government will at least throw some more money at it.
Sign In or Register to comment.