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Supreme Court rules the Government's Rwanda policy is UNLAWFUL

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  • TheEdge949TheEdge949 Member Posts: 5,657
    Bean81 said:

    Where should France return the people to?

    Rawanda springs to mind.
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,289
    Bean81 said:

    Where should France return the people to?

    I'm sure the Asylum Seekers could choose many of the countries that they travel through, and seek asylum there.

    If they are being persecuted that badly, any country has got to be better than where they are coming from

    As Tony @HAYSIE says..... if they were immediately returned back having forked out several thousand pounds, do you think they would pay up again for the same thing to happen ?

    ....it would be like pouring money into the Channel. Word would soon get round that it isn't worth it, and the Asylum Seekers would look for a different option.

    It's about time our 'Border Force' did just that .....and enforce our Borders. Instead of us being the Mugs who keep pouring money away.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    MISTY4ME said:

    Bean81 said:

    Where should France return the people to?

    I'm sure the Asylum Seekers could choose many of the countries that they travel through, and seek asylum there.

    If they are being persecuted that badly, any country has got to be better than where they are coming from

    As Tony @HAYSIE says..... if they were immediately returned back having forked out several thousand pounds, do you think they would pay up again for the same thing to happen ?

    ....it would be like pouring money into the Channel. Word would soon get round that it isn't worth it, and the Asylum Seekers would look for a different option.

    It's about time our 'Border Force' did just that .....and enforce our Borders. Instead of us being the Mugs who keep pouring money away.
    We are just ar5eholes at immigration.
    Brexit apparently meant we could control our borders.
    A conservative estimate puts the number of illegals living here at around 1.5 million.
    We have a backlog of around 128,000 asylum applications.
    They currently take years to process.
    It appears there is no limit to the number of applications that can be submitted.
    £360M last year in legal aid.
    We only deport failed asylum seekers if they agree.
    £8M per day in hotel bills.
    We accept sex offenders on the basis they may be abused if deported.
    We cant track those that arrive on visas, and then disappear.
    There was a report the other day about losing 55,000 failed asylum seekers since 2010.
    Those that get caught working, refuse to disclose their true identity, and hide their passports.
    We cant deport them unless we know who they are, and where they came from.
    They are therefore bailed, and move on.
    We are ar5eholes.
  • Bean81Bean81 Member Posts: 587
    MISTY4ME said:

    Bean81 said:

    Where should France return the people to?

    I'm sure the Asylum Seekers could choose many of the countries that they travel through, and seek asylum there.

    If they are being persecuted that badly, any country has got to be better than where they are coming from

    As Tony @HAYSIE says..... if they were immediately returned back having forked out several thousand pounds, do you think they would pay up again for the same thing to happen ?

    ....it would be like pouring money into the Channel. Word would soon get round that it isn't worth it, and the Asylum Seekers would look for a different option.

    It's about time our 'Border Force' did just that .....and enforce our Borders. Instead of us being the Mugs who keep pouring money away.
    My point was that the idea proposed inevitably leads to returning asylum seekers to where they came from. That's not a world I want to live in.

    The only way migration and asylum seeking gets solved is through a mature, global collaboration. I won't hold my breath on that. I'm also fed up with this being a distraction issue when we have a healthcare system on its knees, rising inequality and a whole host of other major problems that are more important.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    Tory Minister Mocked For Asking If Rwanda And Congo Are Different Countries


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-minister-mocked-bbc-time-210018989.html
  • EnutEnut Member Posts: 3,475
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/what-makes-britain-look-so-great-to-migrants-in-france/ar-AA1nF7lc

    An interesting read. In theory the initial financial benefits are similar, but in France you are housed in shanty towns whereas in the UK you get a house or a hotel.
  • HANSONHANSON Member Posts: 898
    Bean81 said:

    Where should France return the people to?

    They could try Germany as it was Merkel who said they would take them all without asking , she just said come to Germany , made sense really they kept the useful ones and sent the others on there way
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    HANSON said:

    Bean81 said:

    Where should France return the people to?

    They could try Germany as it was Merkel who said they would take them all without asking , she just said come to Germany , made sense really they kept the useful ones and sent the others on there way
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    Bean81 said:

    MISTY4ME said:

    Bean81 said:

    Where should France return the people to?

    I'm sure the Asylum Seekers could choose many of the countries that they travel through, and seek asylum there.

    If they are being persecuted that badly, any country has got to be better than where they are coming from

    As Tony @HAYSIE says..... if they were immediately returned back having forked out several thousand pounds, do you think they would pay up again for the same thing to happen ?

    ....it would be like pouring money into the Channel. Word would soon get round that it isn't worth it, and the Asylum Seekers would look for a different option.

    It's about time our 'Border Force' did just that .....and enforce our Borders. Instead of us being the Mugs who keep pouring money away.
    My point was that the idea proposed inevitably leads to returning asylum seekers to where they came from. That's not a world I want to live in.

    No it doesnt.
    The proposal is that they should be returned to France.
    A safe country.
    I believe we should have safe routes for asylum seekers, and set a limit on the number that we are prepared to accept.
    I dont have a clue as to what that number might be.
    We currently dont have a limit, or safe routes.
    The alternative is that we accept as many as the people smugglers are prepared to send.
    You surely cant be in favour of unlimited numbers?


    The only way migration and asylum seeking gets solved is through a mature, global collaboration. I won't hold my breath on that. I'm also fed up with this being a distraction issue when we have a healthcare system on its knees, rising inequality and a whole host of other major problems that are more important.
    If we just did our bit it would be a step forward.
    We just havent got a clue.

    Sky News did a report into asylum seekers two weeks ago.
    The report went back to 2010.
    Since then we have asked those with failed applications if they would like to be deported.
    Those that have refused, are still here.
    They seem to be able to appeal against a refusal, and complete as many new applications as they wish.
    I believe they said we spent £360million last years on Legal Aid in respect of their representation going through this process.
    They interviewed a woman from Zimbabwe.
    She has been in the country for 18 years since her first failed application.
    She was unsure of whether she is now on her 5th or 6th asylum application.
    They said there was no record of at least 55,000 failed asylum seekers leaving the country since 2010.
    This was in addition to allowing a sex offender to stay, based on the reaction at home, if he was refused, and returned.
    Then you have the Bulgarians that falsely claimed £50million in benefits.
    Lots of people seemed to be attracted to our country because they know they can take the pi55.
    There seems to be no limit to our incompetence.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    edited April 27
    French police slice migrant boat with knife and use pepper spray to thwart crossing







    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pictured-french-police-puncture-migrant-190022284.html
  • MISTY4MEMISTY4ME Member Posts: 6,289
    HAYSIE said:

    French police slice migrant boat with knife and use pepper spray to thwart crossing







    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pictured-french-police-puncture-migrant-190022284.html

    That's a bit more like it .....tho' I'm surprised the 'People Smugglers' didn't still send the boat into the Water.

    Tony.....doesn't that French Policeman with knife look like Steve (Mandela) from Seasons :D
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    MISTY4ME said:

    HAYSIE said:

    French police slice migrant boat with knife and use pepper spray to thwart crossing







    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pictured-french-police-puncture-migrant-190022284.html

    That's a bit more like it .....tho' I'm surprised the 'People Smugglers' didn't still send the boat into the Water.

    Tony.....doesn't that French Policeman with knife look like Steve (Mandela) from Seasons :D
    Yeah, perhaps it is.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    HAYSIE said:

    MISTY4ME said:

    HAYSIE said:

    French police slice migrant boat with knife and use pepper spray to thwart crossing







    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pictured-french-police-puncture-migrant-190022284.html

    That's a bit more like it .....tho' I'm surprised the 'People Smugglers' didn't still send the boat into the Water.

    Tony.....doesn't that French Policeman with knife look like Steve (Mandela) from Seasons :D
    Yeah, perhaps it is.
    Cant be.
    If it was Wendy would have been close by.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    Home Office to detain asylum seekers across UK in shock Rwanda operation


    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/home-office-detain-asylum-seekers-102406341.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    Thousands of migrants bound for deportation to Rwanda are ‘missing’



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/thousands-migrants-bound-deportation-rwanda-235728174.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,564
    Isnt that a bit like saying that the small boats are working for France?



    Asylum seekers crossing to Ireland shows Rwanda scheme is working - Heaton-Harris



    https://www.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/asylum-seekers-crossing-to-ireland-shows-rwanda-scheme-is-working-heaton-harris/a102938109.html
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