It's creating division on this forum how would the country react ?
I dont think it is creating division on the forum. There are differences of of opinion on every forum, about most topics.
Oh ok then , how do you think the country would react ?
Very much the same as during the referendum. Although there does seem to be a majority that are now in favour of being in the EU. But there are still enough that are glad to be out, to cause a row over it.
It's creating division on this forum how would the country react ?
I dont think it is creating division on the forum. There are differences of of opinion on every forum, about most topics.
Oh ok then , how do you think the country would react ?
Very much the same as during the referendum. Although there does seem to be a majority that are now in favour of being in the EU. But there are still enough that are glad to be out, to cause a row over it.
You're probably right right there Tony , a few of the oldies have died off and younguns old enough to vote now plus all the folks who now realise it was probably a mistake to leave will more than likely make it in favour to return There will always be people who want to divide always will for ever and ever
It's creating division on this forum how would the country react ?
I dont think it is creating division on the forum. There are differences of of opinion on every forum, about most topics.
And would that reaction be reflected on the forum ?
I think that sometimes discussing a topic changes some peoples minds. Though not very often. The EU debate was very divisive at the time of the referendum. Many people had opinions that were not based on the facts. At least some of these now know the truth. If we had another referendum, I think it would be equally divisive. As would rejoining without a referendum.
It's creating division on this forum how would the country react ?
I dont think it is creating division on the forum. There are differences of of opinion on every forum, about most topics.
Oh ok then , how do you think the country would react ?
Very much the same as during the referendum. Although there does seem to be a majority that are now in favour of being in the EU. But there are still enough that are glad to be out, to cause a row over it.
You're probably right right there Tony , a few of the oldies have died off and younguns old enough to vote now plus all the folks who now realise it was probably a mistake to leave will more than likely make it in favour to return There will always be people who want to divide always will for ever and ever
When it's convenient, they are ignored. When it's necessary, they are implemented When it's desirable, they are altered.
I hate to be a Little Englander but I care not a jot about N.I. Which I have heard referred to as The British Gaza. We have a natural border, we are after all an Island.
It's like people getting all wound up over Gibralter. I don't care about that either. It's just a Tax Haven for gaming companies. Admittedly it's strategic importance militarily was once a consideration but is now no longer a consideration.
Do I care about Wales and Scotland ? Yes, because I believe that they are an integral part of The Union. Historically, culturally and financially.
However, I wouldn't lose sleep if they had TOTAL independence, self funded, self financed, self ruled and without reliance upon Westminster subsidies. How would that work for the tens of thousands who earn their money in England but spend it over the borders.
Not saying it would be a good thing. Personally I don't think it would be.
Although that would mean that Welsh Rarebit and Scotch Eggs would then be classed as foreign food, all sexy, mysterious and international.
I dont care much about borders either. Although I think trade borders are rarely ignored, if ever. That was merely an illustration of how the EU bent over backwards to help us. You were the person that agreed with the "they shafted us" comment. Yet you have completely avoided explaining what they did to shaft us.
No, I have simply ignored the subject and shall continue to do so. We were shafted end of, and if that's not acceptable I shall seek to pass legislation that deems it so.
When it's convenient, they are ignored. When it's necessary, they are implemented When it's desirable, they are altered.
I hate to be a Little Englander but I care not a jot about N.I. Which I have heard referred to as The British Gaza. We have a natural border, we are after all an Island.
It's like people getting all wound up over Gibralter. I don't care about that either. It's just a Tax Haven for gaming companies. Admittedly it's strategic importance militarily was once a consideration but is now no longer a consideration.
Do I care about Wales and Scotland ? Yes, because I believe that they are an integral part of The Union. Historically, culturally and financially.
However, I wouldn't lose sleep if they had TOTAL independence, self funded, self financed, self ruled and without reliance upon Westminster subsidies. How would that work for the tens of thousands who earn their money in England but spend it over the borders.
Not saying it would be a good thing. Personally I don't think it would be.
Although that would mean that Welsh Rarebit and Scotch Eggs would then be classed as foreign food, all sexy, mysterious and international.
I dont care much about borders either. Although I think trade borders are rarely ignored, if ever. That was merely an illustration of how the EU bent over backwards to help us. You were the person that agreed with the "they shafted us" comment. Yet you have completely avoided explaining what they did to shaft us.
No, I have simply ignored the subject and shall continue to do so. We were shafted end of, and if that's not acceptable I shall seek to pass legislation that deems it so.
Herein after known as doing a Rishi.
So you think we were shafted, but cant explain how?
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They wont do it, as they would alienate everybody that is in favour of Brexit, and not guaranteed to get the rest to vote for them. Lets say it is now 60/40 in favour of rejoining. By doing this, they alienate the 40%. They will not get the 60%, because some will not vote, others will stick with the parties they usually vote for, and some will resent them for doing it without another referendum. They just wont do it. The turnout in the 2019 general election was 67.3%. Joining the Euro will also put off some that are in favour.
.......and anyone else who would like to contribute their thoughts
They wont do it, as they would alienate everybody that is in favour of Brexit, and not guaranteed to get the rest to vote for them. Lets say it is now 60/40 in favour of rejoining. By doing this, they alienate the 40%. They will not get the 60%, because some will not vote, others will stick with the parties they usually vote for, and some will resent them for doing it without another referendum. They just wont do it. The turnout in the 2019 general election was 67.3%. Joining the Euro will also put off some that are in favour.
Theres no way they could rejoin the EU without another referendum ...... I thought it would be interesting if the opportunity of a Vote on rejoining, became one of their Main Policies. They couldn't do any worse than they are doing, that's for sure
.......and anyone else who would like to contribute their thoughts
They wont do it, as they would alienate everybody that is in favour of Brexit, and not guaranteed to get the rest to vote for them. Lets say it is now 60/40 in favour of rejoining. By doing this, they alienate the 40%. They will not get the 60%, because some will not vote, others will stick with the parties they usually vote for, and some will resent them for doing it without another referendum. They just wont do it. The turnout in the 2019 general election was 67.3%. Joining the Euro will also put off some that are in favour.
Theres no way they could rejoin the EU without another referendum ...... I thought it would be interesting if the opportunity of a Vote on rejoining, became one of their Main Policies. They couldn't do any worse than they are doing, that's for sure
It has been argued in the past, where a particular point is a key point in their general election manifesto, that a vote for that particular party, is a vote for that particular point. So if point number 1 in their manifesto was that a vote for for the Tories, was a vote to rejoin the EU, then they could assume that if they achieved a majority, then the majority had voted to rejoin. For instance it was assumed after the 2019 election that the Boris resounding majority, was a vote to get Brexit done. You would think that to do this properly, then some negotiations would have to take place between the UK, and EU, to establish the terms and conditions, and I am not certain how long this would take. There would be a massive kick of if there was a big majority for the Tories, at the election, and it was subsequently established that we would have to join the Euro. So the time required for these negotiations, on top of the 22 weeks required to arrange a referendum, means we are already running out of time, between now, and the next general election.
Is there time? UCL’s Constitution Unit published a report in October 2018 which estimated that it would take 22 weeks between the decision to hold another referendum and polling day. This was made up of 12 weeks to pass the legislation and prepare for the poll and then the 10-week regulated period of the campaign.
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I just dont think that any topic creates division.
The division was already there.
Although there does seem to be a majority that are now in favour of being in the EU.
But there are still enough that are glad to be out, to cause a row over it.
There will always be people who want to divide always will for ever and ever
Though not very often.
The EU debate was very divisive at the time of the referendum.
Many people had opinions that were not based on the facts.
At least some of these now know the truth.
If we had another referendum, I think it would be equally divisive.
As would rejoining without a referendum.
Herein after known as doing a Rishi.
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.......and anyone else who would like to contribute their thoughts
Lets say it is now 60/40 in favour of rejoining.
By doing this, they alienate the 40%.
They will not get the 60%, because some will not vote, others will stick with the parties they usually vote for, and some will resent them for doing it without another referendum.
They just wont do it.
The turnout in the 2019 general election was 67.3%.
Joining the Euro will also put off some that are in favour.
So if point number 1 in their manifesto was that a vote for for the Tories, was a vote to rejoin the EU, then they could assume that if they achieved a majority, then the majority had voted to rejoin.
For instance it was assumed after the 2019 election that the Boris resounding majority, was a vote to get Brexit done.
You would think that to do this properly, then some negotiations would have to take place between the UK, and EU, to establish the terms and conditions, and I am not certain how long this would take.
There would be a massive kick of if there was a big majority for the Tories, at the election, and it was subsequently established that we would have to join the Euro.
So the time required for these negotiations, on top of the 22 weeks required to arrange a referendum, means we are already running out of time, between now, and the next general election.
Is there time?
UCL’s Constitution Unit published a report in October 2018 which estimated that it would take 22 weeks between the decision to hold another referendum and polling day. This was made up of 12 weeks to pass the legislation and prepare for the poll and then the 10-week regulated period of the campaign.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/a-second-brexit-referendum-the-rules/