I have yet to comment on this. I think the idea is great. And I think the team ( 3 of which are good friends of mine) selection is fine. The only change I would make is this: instead of new members of the team being selected by a tournament, I think new team members should be chosen by Tikay and the other suits from the top 30 of each league. The luck in a single tournament is huge and isn't an accurate reflection of a players ability.
I have commented yet on this. I think the idea is great. And I think the team ( 3 of which are good friends of mine) selection is fine. The only change I would make is this: instead of new members of the team being selected by a tournament, I think new team members should be chosen by Tikay and the other suits from the top 30 of each league. The luck in a single tournament is huge and isn't an accurate reflection of a players ability. Posted by BrownnDog
Yeah I agree that having one tournament to decide who gets through isn't ideal, but I think its a lot better doing that than have every selection made behind close doors as then you get the inevitable accusations of bias/unfairness etc.
Maybe it would be better to make a system based on ROI from a larger number of tournies and/or analysing cash stats over a few thousand hands instead as that will make it less dependent on luck
In Response to Re: THE NEW POKER LEAGUE...... : Yeah I agree that having one tournament to decide who gets through isn't ideal, but I think its a lot better doing that than have every selection made behind close doors as then you get the inevitable accusations of bias/unfairness etc. Maybe it would be better to make a system based on ROI from a larger number of tournies and/or analysing cash stats over a few thousand hands instead as that will make it less dependent on luck GL to all who are/will be involved in this btw Posted by yb
In Response to Re: THE NEW POKER LEAGUE...... : He's not saying that, obviously if you're good you have a better chance to go further in a tourny than someone whos not. But in tournaments it is possible for bad players to be in profit, eg Moneymaker/Gold etc. whereas in cash its not possible (or at least a lot lot more unlikely) for a bad player to be up in the long term as theres more skill involved. Posted by yb
Pretty hard for there to be a fair way. No way is going to get the best player in. Infact how do you even determine who is the best player? As seen by this thread, poker players abilites are all opinions. There are always going to be some players that some think are bad. some think are good.
I surprised the only thing I haven't seen mentioned it the fact that setting up Team Sky Poker is a business decision. Surely it's been set up to generate publicity and exposure for Sky Poker through live events?
I don't see why team selection needs to be fair, transparent or open to all. Sure if it can benefit the Sky Poker Community, of which I think I play a part, then that's great. But it's not for the community to make Sky Poker business decisions.
I surprised the only thing I haven't seen mentioned it the fact that setting up Team Sky Poker is a business decision. Surely it's been set up to generate publicity and exposure for Sky Poker through live events? I don't see why team selection needs to be fair, transparent or open to all. Sure if it can benefit the Sky Poker Community, of which I think I play a part, then that's great. But it's not for the community to make Sky Poker business decisions. Posted by Machka
Well thats obvious...
They are getting probably the top 100 players playing double what they normally play to try and get into the top 30 and all sky are doing are doubling the rakeback on a handful of those players... (and [im speculating here] that anything these guys cash in the MTT's sky will get a % back)
I surprised the only thing I haven't seen mentioned it the fact that setting up Team Sky Poker is a business decision. Surely it's been set up to generate publicity and exposure for Sky Poker through live events? I don't see why team selection needs to be fair, transparent or open to all. Sure if it can benefit the Sky Poker Community, of which I think I play a part, then that's great. But it's not for the community to make Sky Poker business decisions. Posted by Machka
I think you may be getting the wrong end of the stick Aaron xx
In Response to Re: THE NEW POKER LEAGUE...... : I dont get this statement. I think your opinions are fine, if thats what you think, but you say ljamesl and lolufold play most of their poker on other sites. Not sure how you would know. People have so many opinions on the players that have already been chosen. I dread to think what happens in 3 months, when the 3 winners of the tournys become members of the team. No offence to the people who play mtts and stts, but im pretty sure the standard of the top 30 cash players is going to be a lot higher than the standard of the top 30 mtts and stts. And im pretty sure the winner of them tournys will not be one of the high profiled players that some people think deserve to be in the team. So will it mean these people will be slated?? I guess they can always be kicked out by the suits after 3 months lol Posted by 5toneFace
So all the best players are cash players ??? I am not knocking the abilities of any of the players selected in any way, but tournaments require a different set of skills to cash play.
There are many excellent players here and elsewhere who simply prefer to play MTT, whether to control their BR, or handle variance better, or just enjoy the challenge of tournament play more.
I have seen many highly respected cash specialists struggle in tournaments ,in a situation where they cannot reload, and also cannot choose who they wish to play against.
As I say, the selections here have proved their ability in all forms of the game, but there are bound to be quite a few of your top 30 cash players who would struggle to adapt to tournament play.
Everything apart from cash (specifically 30/40nl) aint poker! Anything lower is bingo, anyone higher is just rich people showing off Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Cash poker.......Call Anything Sometimes Hit......as long as you have the bankroll.....that is more bingo than anything else.....tournaments are the only poker.....sorry JJ
In Response to Re: THE NEW POKER LEAGUE...... : So all the best players are cash players ??? I am not knocking the abilities of any of the players selected in any way, but tournaments require a different set of skills to cash play. There are many excellent players here and elsewhere who simply prefer to play MTT, whether to control their BR, or handle variance better, or just enjoy the challenge of tournament play more. I have seen many highly respected cash specialists struggle in tournaments , in a situation where they cannot reload , and also cannot choose who they wish to play against. As I say, the selections here have proved their ability in all forms of the game, but there are bound to be quite a few of your top 30 cash players who would struggle to adapt to tournament play. It all makes this quite interesting ! Posted by penguin7
I totally agree with everything you said. I never said all the best players are cash players. I just said the standard of the top 30 cash players will be a lot higher than the standard of the mtts and stts. This is my opinion, if you dont agree then that is your opinion.
In Response to Re: THE NEW POKER LEAGUE...... : Cash poker.......Call Anything Sometimes Hit......as long as you have the bankroll.....that is more bingo than anything else.....tournaments are the only poker.....sorry JJ Posted by Maggiesdad
ok, first of all i'm yet to offer my congratulations to the players initially selected for this, i hope you all have a good first few months.
the only thing i would change about this (if i could) would be how the three players are selected each quarter (this has also been bought up by a few others) personally i think it's a great promotion, and i shall be doing my best to finish in the top 30, but then, i get one 30 player sit n go, as a shot at the prize, where there will be so much luck required to bink 1st place - i just think that this could be done in a different way.
in addition, are league pts still awarded for russian roulette sng's? not exactly the best way to find a TSP player!
Hello ladies, I didnt even no owt bout this, but today I have been asked to comment on the situation. I started reading this thread but I couldnt be bothered its too long. Just want to say the rare time I do post on here I tell the truth even if it doesnt sount the best. e.g. I tell people they have a rubbish computer cos they have, I say weareontv is a bumhunter and he aint that good cos its true. etc etc etc. Am not here to make friends I am just totally honest about things. Also I know what I am on about poker is my only income and I crush 1/2 on here and I have played thousands of hands against the team. Right have I got this right Sky are putting some players into some live donkaments sometime, do they get owt else.(Am not that bothered bout donkaments but if there getting 100% rakeback like full tilt am interested.) So there are concerns about people being picked, I will put my thoughts forward. But end of day sky will do what they want. ljamesl- First of all let me say this is the only player out of the group that I feel is better than me. So as for talent he deserves to be in, However, most of his poker is played on other sites (until recently but I now realise that is because of this) so some people may think that disqualifies him but then again he is the best on team. However, the real reason he is on is because he is mates with tikay. (really dont want to offend tikay or james I like chatting to james he is a great player and on talent he deserves the place and like watching tikay and he is probably one of sky biggest assets).Tikay tries to mention and promote james as he is trying to raise his profile as I believe james wants to be a famous pro who gets sponsorship deals. That doesnt bother me its just someone who is trying to help a friend out most people would do it. However, I can see why some people think he is abusing his position. Gliterbabe- Hes always been here prob played more on site than anyone, he beats 1/2, hes a good poker player and most prob earns loads of money doing it. He deserves his place more than anyone if sky are wanting to pick there own players, although out of the team he is the least talented. dantb10- Hes in cos he won total player, he hardly play on site but he is a good poker player. lolufold - great player second in lot to james, plays most of poker on other sites on sky he likes to sit at 5/10 Hu and dabbles with a bit of 1/2. Hes in because he finished 21st in wsop. I dont rate him as a player cos of that i rate him because i play against him regular. btw any donk who knows the rules and has a starting hand chart can finish 21st in wsop main event. Overall, I really hope not to offend anyone like I said tikay is a great asset to sky and all of these players are excellent poker players who make a ton of money from the game and I hope they do really well in donakments they are paid into. Like I said I have posted cos I have been asked to and I have given my honest opinion about the picks. Posted by ajs4385
This started well AJ, i liked the 1st bit(weareontv quite funny) then it got redic... i think most of your comments are to be fair out or order... i agree you are in the top 5 players in the site you do crush 1/2 but saying things about James being Tikays mate and lolufold just playing 5 10 and a bit of 1/2 is quite wrong... this is nothing personal about you as we have chatted a fair bit as we play quite a lot of the same tables, but in this case you have the right to your opinion but i think you have got this one very wrong and your facts are quite p is s e d up.........
In Response to Re: THE NEW POKER LEAGUE...... : this made me lol, hopefully it's a joke Posted by SHANXTA
No joke.....people call 5x raises pre with 74o and then tell you its all about the "implied odds".....that is what I mean about bingo in cash....and if your bankroll is right you can do it all night until you hit....but hey.....don't want to upset the purists.....I know I must be a heretic.....burn the witch.....burn the witch.......Maggiesdad questions cash play and cash players.......
My team Flopwit Flaphead would be Jeagerbomb Bandini Oynutter Aussie09 TommyD There you go... what a crazy team! Posted by GREGHOGG
thanks greg. is this a good thing?
it reminds me of the first morning in ski school and being sorted into two groups by the french ski instructor. everyone had to ski down the nursery slope and at the end the instructor pointed to one side to show which group you belong; ok or bad skiers. standing in my group of beginners i watched others ski down the slope and i started assessing whether i thought they were any good. the first poor skier was directed to join my group, surely a mistake. the next one was ok but joined the other group. i started to suspect that i was standing in the bad group.
so i take your poker team selection as maybe not so fantastic after all ... is this group the "not really any good" one? unless the others can ski particularly well, that is.
Ah I was only joking in my first comment about 30nl being the only poker game with any sort of skill !! lol
As ever trying to get a bite, but it kinda got lost in the madness of the thread.
Calling pre with 7 high then again on the flop, still with 7 high is one of my new favourite moves though That magic feeling you get when the guy goes on to check the turn, and you realise the pot is yours! muwahahaha
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Maybe it would be better to make a system based on ROI from a larger number of tournies and/or analysing cash stats over a few thousand hands instead as that will make it less dependent on luck
GL to all who are/will be involved in this btw
so basically i think they can select anyone they want at any time, in addition to the three players that win the mtts of 30.
I don't see why team selection needs to be fair, transparent or open to all. Sure if it can benefit the Sky Poker Community, of which I think I play a part, then that's great. But it's not for the community to make Sky Poker business decisions.
They are getting probably the top 100 players playing double what they normally play to try and get into the top 30 and all sky are doing are doubling the rakeback on a handful of those players... (and [im speculating here] that anything these guys cash in the MTT's sky will get a % back)
There are many excellent players here and elsewhere who simply prefer to play MTT, whether to control their BR, or handle variance better, or just enjoy the challenge of tournament play more.
I have seen many highly respected cash specialists struggle in tournaments ,in a situation where they cannot reload, and also cannot choose who they wish to play against.
As I say, the selections here have proved their ability in all forms of the game, but there are bound to be quite a few of your top 30 cash players who would struggle to adapt to tournament play.
It all makes this quite interesting !
it reminds me of the first morning in ski school and being sorted into two groups by the french ski instructor. everyone had to ski down the nursery slope and at the end the instructor pointed to one side to show which group you belong; ok or bad skiers. standing in my group of beginners i watched others ski down the slope and i started assessing whether i thought they were any good. the first poor skier was directed to join my group, surely a mistake. the next one was ok but joined the other group. i started to suspect that i was standing in the bad group.
so i take your poker team selection as maybe not so fantastic after all ... is this group the "not really any good" one? unless the others can ski particularly well, that is.