raising utg with raggy cards & callin 3 bets against a villian who is commited to the hand is not a 'move' or a good play. everything pryce is saying is correct
bit childish pryce. If you want to earn money listen to u???? Poker is my job!!! I didnt start an argument i am voicing my opinion ur childish picking at peoples posts. How many BH'S u play??? Do u understand value of your chips is less in a bounty!! Please i am begging u come and sit at my table some time maybe u will learn to play your opponents cards aswell as ur own.
Sky fish lol ... insult the players on sky well done earn some friends with that statement clever litlle man.
the point of the clinic is to post strategy and advice to help improves other players games. pryce6 has seen flaws in some peoples thought processes and has pointed out where he thinks they are going wrong and for what reasons, this subforum isnt for making friends.
fwiw shove pre all the time, his call is bad but i wouldnt expect many people on sky to fold preflop getting these good odds.
From a purely mathematical point of view this seems like a perfectly good call preflop.If you spend all your time automatically believing that a 3-bet is a massive pocket pair then you will just spew off chips.
The call was for 800 into a pot of 2300 which is giving very nearly 3 to 1.Which means that you need to win 1 time in 4 to make this the right call and then of course come the implied odds which make it even tastier than that.
Against possible ranges T9 is
vs 2 overs 33% to win vs dominating hand (eg AT) 30% to win vs underpair 45% to win. vs over pair 10% to win.
As you can see only if you put your opponent on an over pair do you not have the right odds against any other possible holding you are getting better than the required odds.
talon thankyou for explaining my point in a better way
Lol raise there are no flaws in my play either!! Technically i would of won the pot so there you go.
You all must have the same game!1 there is no right or wrong way but the call in my opinion is right. And you point out the clinic is to help others... so should we all have the same opinion???? My way or his way either way i can understand i just prefer my move in the MTT BH format end of simple.
As lolraise said I am not here to be your friend batkin, you are a fish and it shows every time you post. It seems you are in the poker clinic to give advice rather than learn - when the advice you give is so flawed it's untrue.
I read the poker clinic to give advice where I see fit - and learn from others who have a better understanding of the game. My advice to you is post if you like, but when people try and help you, instead of arguing back and trying to fight a losing corner, accept you might be wrong.
I'll say it one more time - based on a wider range you have the odds to make this call - fine. But I'm telling you now, no-one on Sky re-raises to 1500 with 1700 behind with a hand worse than TT or AK, and that's being generous. I would go as far to say his hand is basically either AA or KK. Obviously he should be shoving but he didn't. Calling here is just throwing money and chips away for lols in the hope u bink some miraculous flop.
Luckily for the fish this time he won - but do this 100 times and I guarantee you will lose money.
And if playing poker is your 'job' (dole ftw), I doubt that's something you really want to be doing.
villain in the hand posted has played the hand poorly. obviously he won but in the long run the way he played this hand would suggest that he is leaking chips in spots where he really shouldnt. the raise pre flop is at best questionable and not something i would personally do.
the call on the flop only makes sense because of the bad decisions made beforehand - this imo is what is causing arguments.
the odds on the call make it mathematically explainable but again as has now been very clearly pointed the hero in the hand has shown a lot of strength in the way he played the hand pre flop and the 10 9 can expect to ahead a very small % of the time.
the best possible result when holding the 10 9 in this hand is to be shown AK. more often than not the 10 9 does not win this hand.
for the record i am not on the dole you arrogant monkey i own my own valet company which runs without me. And notice how u didnt comment back on Talons post.
Ur problem is with me and you cant get over the fact that there is more than one way to play this hand. If u want to learn maybe u should take both sides of the coin. I dont argue back i question everyones advice thats how u improve ur game!!!!!
Now please go back and read Talons post above and from that you will realise if your tiny brain allows it to happen that the call isnt a bad call! It may well be optimistic but not a bad call.
And i aint a fish sonny boy i would of been ahead on the flop on this hand and stayed ahead!! (is that fishing?)
You have made my day today with ur childish primary school insults!! I will be playing nl30 upwards tonyt so come and find me please i will be happy to teach u a lesson
villain in the hand posted has played the hand poorly. obviously he won but in the long run the way he played this hand would suggest that he is leaking chips in spots where he really shouldnt. the raise pre flop is at best questionable and not something i would personally do. the call on the flop only makes sense because of the bad decisions made beforehand - this imo is what is causing arguments. the odds on the call make it mathematically explainable but again as has now been very clearly pointed the hero in the hand has shown a lot of strength in the way he played the hand pre flop and the 10 9 can expect to ahead a very small % of the time. the best possible result when holding the 10 9 in this hand is to be shown AK. more often than not the 10 9 does not win this hand. Posted by huuuuume
like i said pre flop should of been a higher bet but it didnt register my click...after that i he was obv gona follow because of the up down...
for the record i am not on the dole you arrogant monkey i own my own valet company which runs without me. And notice how u didnt comment back on Talons post. Ur problem is with me and you cant get over the fact that there is more than one way to play this hand. If u want to learn maybe u should take both sides of the coin. I dont argue back i question everyones advice thats how u improve ur game!!!!! Now please go back and read Talons post above and from that you will realise if your tiny brain allows it to happen that the call isnt a bad call! It may well be optimistic but not a bad call. And i aint a fish sonny boy i would of been ahead on the flop on this hand and stayed ahead!! (is that fishing?) You have made my day today with ur childish primary school insults!! I will be playing nl30 upwards tonyt so come and find me please i will be happy to teach u a lesson xx Kalie xx Posted by Batkin88
I did respond to Talons post. He assigned a fairly wide range to villains 3 bet. I have stated many times his range is almost always overpairs here.
Indeed, in fact there are many ways to play any hand...
Stop being so results orientated. As people have stated, over time this will not happen.
Sigh. I've tried hard not to insult you. It is difficult though.
right obviously all in pre is correct move here, but what im saying pryce is with those odds might aswell play any two only reason villain has called is thinks i could outdraw him and getting good money i doubt they actually think 10 9 is the nuts. I probably have never called a re-raise with 10 9 unless suited but still not everyone plays the same, its not good calling with the hand in question but u dont always have to play to the book
enough said im not going to bother with the slanging match just you obviously havent played batkin she is very good and consistent reads the game well so can call with any 2 she pleases
re point about shouldnt advice people to play 10 9 she isnt! shes just saying that you can narrow op hand down so easy to go with after flop or not regards
right obviously all in pre is correct move here, but what im saying pryce is with those odds might aswell play any two only reason villain has called is thinks i could outdraw him and getting good money i doubt they actually think 10 9 is the nuts. I probably have never called a re-raise with 10 9 unless suited but still not everyone plays the same, its not good calling with the hand in question but u dont always have to play to the book enough said im not going to bother with the slanging match just you obviously havent played batkin she is very good and consistent reads the game well so can call with any 2 she pleases re point about shouldnt advice people to play 10 9 she isnt! shes just saying that you can narrow op hand down so easy to go with after flop or not regards Posted by YOUNG_GUN
You can have the post flop skills of Phil Ivey, but you're not going to be able to outplay someone out of position in a 3 bet pot with a grand total of 2/3 of a pot size bet left.
Is Batkin some kind of gimmick account? I don't understand how he can argue so vehemently in favour of an absolutely terrible play. Surely he must know that he really has no idea about the game.
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Good job im going out to see saw 3d!
Batkin you sure are a feisty one (for a girl)
If you want to earn money listen to u???? Poker is my job!!!
I didnt start an argument i am voicing my opinion ur childish picking at peoples posts.
How many BH'S u play??? Do u understand value of your chips is less in a bounty!!
Please i am begging u come and sit at my table some time maybe u will learn to play your opponents cards aswell as ur own.
Sky fish lol ... insult the players on sky well done earn some friends with that statement clever litlle man.
By the way thanks YG
fwiw shove pre all the time, his call is bad but i wouldnt expect many people on sky to fold preflop getting these good odds.
i agree w/ pryce on mostly everything he has said
The call was for 800 into a pot of 2300 which is giving very nearly 3 to 1.Which means that you need to win 1 time in 4 to make this the right call and then of course come the implied odds which make it even tastier than that.
Against possible ranges T9 is
vs 2 overs 33% to win
vs dominating hand (eg AT) 30% to win
vs underpair 45% to win.
vs over pair 10% to win.
As you can see only if you put your opponent on an over pair do you not have the right odds against any other possible holding you are getting better than the required odds.
Lol raise there are no flaws in my play either!! Technically i would of won the pot so there you go.
You all must have the same game!1 there is no right or wrong way but the call in my opinion is right.
And you point out the clinic is to help others... so should we all have the same opinion????
My way or his way either way i can understand i just prefer my move in the MTT BH format end of simple.
I read the poker clinic to give advice where I see fit - and learn from others who have a better understanding of the game. My advice to you is post if you like, but when people try and help you, instead of arguing back and trying to fight a losing corner, accept you might be wrong.
I'll say it one more time - based on a wider range you have the odds to make this call - fine. But I'm telling you now, no-one on Sky re-raises to 1500 with 1700 behind with a hand worse than TT or AK, and that's being generous. I would go as far to say his hand is basically either AA or KK. Obviously he should be shoving but he didn't. Calling here is just throwing money and chips away for lols in the hope u bink some miraculous flop.
Luckily for the fish this time he won - but do this 100 times and I guarantee you will lose money.
And if playing poker is your 'job' (dole ftw), I doubt that's something you really want to be doing.
Fwiw I'll sit at your table any time you like.
villain in the hand posted has played the hand poorly. obviously he won but in the long run the way he played this hand would suggest that he is leaking chips in spots where he really shouldnt. the raise pre flop is at best questionable and not something i would personally do.
the call on the flop only makes sense because of the bad decisions made beforehand - this imo is what is causing arguments.
the odds on the call make it mathematically explainable but again as has now been very clearly pointed the hero in the hand has shown a lot of strength in the way he played the hand pre flop and the 10 9 can expect to ahead a very small % of the time.
the best possible result when holding the 10 9 in this hand is to be shown AK. more often than not the 10 9 does not win this hand.
for the record i am not on the dole you arrogant monkey i own my own valet company which runs without me. And notice how u didnt comment back on Talons post.
Ur problem is with me and you cant get over the fact that there is more than one way to play this hand. If u want to learn maybe u should take both sides of the coin.
I dont argue back i question everyones advice thats how u improve ur game!!!!!
Now please go back and read Talons post above and from that you will realise if your tiny brain allows it to happen that the call isnt a bad call! It may well be optimistic but not a bad call.
And i aint a fish sonny boy i would of been ahead on the flop on this hand and stayed ahead!! (is that fishing?)
You have made my day today with ur childish primary school insults!!
I will be playing nl30 upwards tonyt so come and find me please i will be happy to teach u a lesson
xx
Kalie
xx
this is old news now anyway lol
Indeed, in fact there are many ways to play any hand...
Stop being so results orientated. As people have stated, over time this will not happen.
Sigh. I've tried hard not to insult you. It is difficult though.
Good luck 'tonyt'.
enough said im not going to bother with the slanging match just you obviously havent played batkin she is very good and consistent reads the game well so can call with any 2 she pleases
re point about shouldnt advice people to play 10 9 she isnt! shes just saying that you can narrow op hand down so easy to go with after flop or not
regards