pryce wat is your problem?? seriously me n batkin & aces have all said we wouldnt play this way but can understand where villain is coming from that is end of. stop going on about u must be fish because you put this cos we didnt, personally im only ever shoving if i was op still may get the call from 109 which is terrible but only move you should be doing here imo why raise commit urself when effectively doing the same if you shove?
pryce wat is your problem?? seriously me n batkin & aces have all said we wouldnt play this way but can understand where villain is coming from that is end of. stop going on about u must be fish because you put this cos we didnt, personally im only ever shoving if i was op still may get the call from 109 which is terrible but only move you should be doing here imo why raise commit urself when effectively doing the same if you shove? Posted by YOUNG_GUN
I don't really know whether I should reply seriously to this post.
Just re-read the thread, batkin said many times she would call and be happy about it. Don't backtrack please.
We know he should shove, that is obvious. Stop embarrassing yourself.
In Response to Re: was he right to call? : I don't really know whether I should reply seriously to this post. Just re-read the thread, batkin said many times she would call and be happy about it. Don't backtrack please. We know he should shove, that is obvious. Stop embarrassing yourself. Posted by pryce6
How many times exactly did i say i would be happy about it?? I just said i would call after raising that raise lol never said i would throw a party about it. Thanks for remembering im a woman tho its annoying everyone referring to me as a he/him/it!! I think we should end this post now it just isnt going anywhere lets agree to disagree!!! (Although im right) as said b4 gl at the tables and i promise i will fold to all reraises pre to u in any MTT unless i have 10 9. ....,,,,, offsuit
pryce wat is your problem?? seriously me n batkin & aces have all said we wouldnt play this way but can understand where villain is coming from that is end of. stop going on about u must be fish because you put this cos we didnt, personally im only ever shoving if i was op still may get the call from 109 which is terrible but only move you should be doing here imo why raise commit urself when effectively doing the same if you shove? Posted by YOUNG_GUN
Why shove AK over the initial raise, you are folding all the hands you dominate (well you should be) and getting called by only those that are crushing you AA/KK plus QQ-TT that are ahead. I think i've covered why the call with 9To was wrong already.
As played I'm happy with OP's play and the raise, it could have been slightly more but he just got out flopped, run it 10 times and he's winning. The fact the original raiser was too dumb to realise the 3 better was committed is not his fault and i'll take a flop all day long 9To v AK for 50% of my stack i'm a 63% favourite thats more than enough for me in this case.
In Response to Re: was he right to call? : How many times exactly did i say i would be happy about it?? I just said i would call after raising that raise lol never said i would throw a party about it. Thanks for remembering im a woman tho its annoying everyone referring to me as a he/him/it!! I think we should end this post now it just isnt going anywhere lets agree to disagree!!! (Although im right) as said b4 gl at the tables and i promise i will fold to all reraises pre to u in any MTT unless i have 10 9. ....,,,,, offsuit Posted by Batkin88
Batkin, you read my post and you still think your right? You disagree for what reasons? How will people ever benefit from this clinic if after 5 pages you (allegedly a good player) are still saying tha call was correct and you are right on this when to be honest you are so wrong its scary. Sorry i'm not trying to be confrontational but sit back reread the thread and come back with your honest reasons why the call was in your opinion correct.
What do we benefit/learn from wondering whether our opponent played it right? just focus on your own play. Posted by beaneh
I think he posted it because he lost the hand and wondered if the call was correct and I guess if it was a correct call he is asking by default what did he do wrong. I wouldn't question it if it were me as he played it well and just got outflopped by a fish that couldn't fold, but I am sure of this I guess he is not.
What do we benefit/learn from wondering whether our opponent played it right? just focus on your own play. Posted by beaneh
The man asked a question so we answered it - correcting others in the process.
What do people benefit/learn from reading batkin/young guns awful posts on this thread? Anyone wanting to learn and improve their game shouldn't read someone advertising poor play.
Also if batkin/young gun listened to advice then maybe their own games would improve - obviously didn't work this time but never mind.
Fwiw this has been the most entertaining thread on the poker clinic by a mile.
In Response to Re: was he right to call? : The man asked a question so we answered it - correcting others in the process. What do people benefit/learn from reading batkin/young guns awful posts on this thread? Anyone wanting to learn and improve their game shouldn't read someone advertising poor play. Also if batkin/young gun listened to advice then maybe their own games would improve - obviously didn't work this time but never mind. Fwiw this has been the most entertaining thread on the poker clinic by a mile. Posted by pryce6
Pryce my game does improve from the threads i post and get input on if u want everyone to play like u, ur a very narrow minded individual. Never seen u on any FT's recently i see u havent taken the offer of sitting at a table with me lol ur a joke stop bringing my name up in ur rants as i have said 4 times its over goodbye my friend
and just for being arrogant and trying to have the last word i wish u no good luck at ur tables
In Response to Re: was he right to call?: In Response to Re: was he right to call? : The man asked a question so we answered it - correcting others in the process. What do people benefit/learn from reading batkin/young guns awful posts on this thread? Anyone wanting to learn and improve their game shouldn't read someone advertising poor play. Also if batkin/young gun listened to advice then maybe their own games would improve - obviously didn't work this time but never mind. Fwiw this has been the most entertaining thread on the poker clinic by a mile. Posted by pryce6
+1
Although i'm not sure I would describe it as entertaining, I find it depressing when I assume people are coming on here to learn and are confronted with some of the nonsense that has been posted on this thread. I for one will less inclined to post again on the poker clinic after this experience.
"Pryce my game does improve from the threads i post and get input on if u want everyone to play like u, ur a very narrow minded individual. Never seen u on any FT's recently i see u havent taken the offer of sitting at a table with me lol ur a joke"
Batkin am I reading this right, you come on here and post nonsense to get a read on how players play a particular spot and I thought slow rolling was bad. Congrats you now have an exact read on how I think THIS hand and THIS situation SHOULD be played - one hand, one spot, now that's what I call narow minded. I wish you luck in finding the exact same situation v me at a cash table, its never going to happen because I never play short stacked and therefore an OOP call of my 3 bet would never have me in this exact situation. I did have a look for you yesterday to watch you play but found you sitting in tourneys but no cash games.
I'm no great player but I do listen to good advise when it is put infront of me, maybe you should do the same sometimes rather than insulting posters trying to answer other players questions.
As I said earlier I really wonder now why I bothered to post in the first place.
Stein fwiw, we have always said can understand why they have called NEVER said we would play like this in this spot, just cos we understand donk players doesnt mean we are, there is no abc in any spot so you need to be flexible. i personally take everything on board and try to learn everything from the poker clinic aswell
Just read through all of this thread, all I have to say is that this is a POKER CLINIC, players view these threads with the intention to learn and improve their game, if pryce/stein see bad advice being offered, what do you expect them to do
The comments have been on if the Villain should call or why he did. There are opposing views, some voiced better than others. If peoples opinions were not wanted on this then it would not be open to the public to comment.
Oppose the views all you wish but when people start to mention "You should not be posting on this thread" then thats wrong. The OP can take the view point given from whichever side the deem fit, last i saw there was no poker clinic police making you show your MTT Sharkscope stats before you can answer with your opinion on a situation.
As the saying goes "can't we all just get along" lol -
It would be a very boring thread/forum if each question had 1 answer given by a pre-vetted self declared expert and the opinions of average joes of was never available to debate. DEBATE is where people learn, not in the factual answer - Had the other points not been put accross then Pryce/Stein would not veermently defend their position and explain their thinking to the degree they have, Right or Wrong it all contributes and has the same right to sit on a thread as any other members post
The debates were fun to read but i think i'm done with comment on this one now - So GL ALL (P.S he should have shoved and saved us all a week lol)
stien so your 100% correct lol get a grip. Pryce my game does improve from the threads i post and get input on if u want everyone to play like u, ur a very narrow minded individual. Never seen u on any FT's recently i see u havent taken the offer of sitting at a table with me lol ur a joke stop bringing my name up in ur rants as i have said 4 times its over goodbye my friend and just for being arrogant and trying to have the last word i wish u no good luck at ur tables xx Posted by Batkin88
Lols. I don't want everyone to play like me, I understand there are endless ways to play hands. As the villain - because of stack sizes and the pre flop re-raise there is only one correct way to play this hand.
I don't think I really need to post any results - and tbh it doesn't concern me to purposely seek you out at the tables just to prove a point.
Fair enough Aces I understand your point. Things change though when people continually come back arguing when they are posting rubbish - eventually it gets to the point where it's just like...stop posting.
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Just re-read the thread, batkin said many times she would call and be happy about it. Don't backtrack please.
We know he should shove, that is obvious. Stop embarrassing yourself.
So going back to the original question................................................
Was he right to call?
Thanks for remembering im a woman tho its annoying everyone referring to me as a he/him/it!!
I think we should end this post now it just isnt going anywhere lets agree to disagree!!! (Although im right)
as said b4 gl at the tables and i promise i will fold to all reraises pre to u in any MTT unless i have 10 9.
....,,,,, offsuit
Why shove AK over the initial raise, you are folding all the hands you dominate (well you should be) and getting called by only those that are crushing you AA/KK plus QQ-TT that are ahead. I think i've covered why the call with 9To was wrong already.
As played I'm happy with OP's play and the raise, it could have been slightly more but he just got out flopped, run it 10 times and he's winning. The fact the original raiser was too dumb to realise the 3 better was committed is not his fault and i'll take a flop all day long 9To v AK for 50% of my stack i'm a 63% favourite thats more than enough for me in this case.
What do people benefit/learn from reading batkin/young guns awful posts on this thread? Anyone wanting to learn and improve their game shouldn't read someone advertising poor play.
Also if batkin/young gun listened to advice then maybe their own games would improve - obviously didn't work this time but never mind.
Fwiw this has been the most entertaining thread on the poker clinic by a mile.
Pryce my game does improve from the threads i post and get input on if u want everyone to play like u, ur a very narrow minded individual. Never seen u on any FT's recently i see u havent taken the offer of sitting at a table with me lol ur a joke stop bringing my name up in ur rants as i have said 4 times its over
goodbye my friend
and just for being arrogant and trying to have the last word
i wish u no good luck at ur tables
xx
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In Response to Re: was he right to call? : The man asked a question so we answered it - correcting others in the process. What do people benefit/learn from reading batkin/young guns awful posts on this thread? Anyone wanting to learn and improve their game shouldn't read someone advertising poor play. Also if batkin/young gun listened to advice then maybe their own games would improve - obviously didn't work this time but never mind. Fwiw this has been the most entertaining thread on the poker clinic by a mile.
Posted by pryce6
+1
Although i'm not sure I would describe it as entertaining, I find it depressing when I assume people are coming on here to learn and are confronted with some of the nonsense that has been posted on this thread. I for one will less inclined to post again on the poker clinic after this experience.
"Pryce my game does improve from the threads i post and get input on if u want everyone to play like u, ur a very narrow minded individual. Never seen u on any FT's recently i see u havent taken the offer of sitting at a table with me lol ur a joke"
Batkin am I reading this right, you come on here and post nonsense to get a read on how players play a particular spot and I thought slow rolling was bad. Congrats you now have an exact read on how I think THIS hand and THIS situation SHOULD be played - one hand, one spot, now that's what I call narow minded. I wish you luck in finding the exact same situation v me at a cash table, its never going to happen because I never play short stacked and therefore an OOP call of my 3 bet would never have me in this exact situation. I did have a look for you yesterday to watch you play but found you sitting in tourneys but no cash games.
I'm no great player but I do listen to good advise when it is put infront of me, maybe you should do the same sometimes rather than insulting posters trying to answer other players questions.
As I said earlier I really wonder now why I bothered to post in the first place.
NEVER said we would play like this in this spot, just cos we understand donk players doesnt mean we are, there is no abc in any spot so you need to be flexible. i personally take everything on board and try to learn everything from the poker clinic aswell
Thats my last post on the matter
Oppose the views all you wish but when people start to mention "You should not be posting on this thread" then thats wrong. The OP can take the view point given from whichever side the deem fit, last i saw there was no poker clinic police making you show your MTT Sharkscope stats before you can answer with your opinion on a situation.
As the saying goes "can't we all just get along" lol -
It would be a very boring thread/forum if each question had 1 answer given by a pre-vetted self declared expert and the opinions of average joes of was never available to debate. DEBATE is where people learn, not in the factual answer - Had the other points not been put accross then Pryce/Stein would not veermently defend their position and explain their thinking to the degree they have, Right or Wrong it all contributes and has the same right to sit on a thread as any other members post
The debates were fun to read but i think i'm done with comment on this one now - So GL ALL (P.S he should have shoved and saved us all a week lol)