My pre flop hand selection is good, I'm in position, you 4bet so I know u got AA or maybe KK.
I have 34% pre flop against ur actual hand, and it's a flip otf.
Suck it up
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Well, that was fun!
A 'buy in' on this diary is gonna be £20 now, it appears that's where I'll be playing most. 10r buy in games are abit boring
I 2 tabled for 6 hours!!!!!
I lost thirteen pots above £15.
In a normal session 6 tabling NLHE for 4 hours, I'll rarely lose more than 3 or 4.
I think my pre flop hand selection is pretty good, looking back through the hands I lose money in they're all good starting hands. (the 1 greg posted above is probably the worst)
My 10 biggest losses came from...
7h Ts Jh Qd
Kh 5h Kd 5d
Ac Ad Qh Th
4c 6c 7s 8h
Jc Jd 8s 8h
5c 7d 9d Jh
Ks Kh Jd Ts
6c 7d 9d Tc
6h 7c 8s 9h
(and the hand above)
I think it's clear where I'm going wrong. I'm paying people off on the river too much. It's not really a surprise, it used to be a huge leak of mine when I was learning holdem, I was too curious and I thought everyone was bluffing.
I still struggle with being abit of a station in holdem nowardays. But I can normally think through the hand and work out there's a reasonable chance that the villain is bluffing. I'm a good calling station @ my level. lol.
In PLO I'm just guessing/calling and hoping!
At one point I had 2x 500xbb stacks. I think this is going to be a problem, I'm far too IN experienced to play that deep against people that know what they're doing. It's also gonna mean sick swings too.
Next time If I get up above 300xbb I'm just gonna leave and re-sit with 100xbb when I can.
Don't really wanna play huge pots with no edge.
Anyway, a losing start!!!
Owned by Greekway in a few big pots where he value towned me.
I also got good aces in pre on a few occasions, which I know is a super swingy, but winning play. They failed on 3/4 occasions. Had 1 or 2 gone my way, I'd have been even or up.
Last hand I bluffed off £45 with in a 4bet pot v Greeky, KKxx, I shipped the scare card on the turn....
He had KK, obvs. lol
Again, had I not done that, I'd have won money.
I'm confident I can beat the games, eventually!
Back at it on Friday!
Month totals
NLHE +16 Buy ins
PLO - 2.5 buy ins Points 1562
Would be good if I could get some feedback on my play, maybe I should post some hands here? I don't wanna spam the clinic full of PLO threads. I'll randomly pick a few hands and post up, see if people can be bovvvverd to reply
.. In PLO I'm just guessing/calling and hoping! At one point I had 2x 500xbb stacks. I think this is going to be a problem, I'm far too IN experienced to play that deep against people that know what they're doing. . Would be good if I could get some feedback on my play, maybe I should post some hands here? I don't wanna spam the clinic full of PLO threads. I'll randomly pick a few hands and post up, see if people can be bovvvverd to reply Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I, like yourself, am trying to learn PLO so would be good to see a few hands. Greeky & Talon are sure to give you feedback. In fact, it looks like Greeky already has? ;-))
Ok, dnt really know what hands to post for strategy discussion, AIPF ones probably pointless, so I'll randomly pick 2 winners and 2 losers, and not show results.
** Loose aggressive image in all hands. No reads, I can't get any playing holdem so no chance here!!**
1) Standard get in here? No redraws is abit of a worry....
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
RBGC10
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£13.88
VAGABON
Big blind
£0.20
£0.30
£27.46
Your hole cards
K
5
J
9
Bossman180
Raise
£0.40
£0.70
£13.16
Enut
Fold
AA1111a
Fold
DOHHHHHHH
Raise
£1.20
£1.90
£22.15
RBGC10
Fold
VAGABON
Call
£1.00
£2.90
£26.46
Bossman180
Call
£0.80
£3.70
£12.36
Flop
9
2
J
VAGABON
Check
Bossman180
Check
DOHHHHHHH
Bet
£3.00
£6.70
£19.15
VAGABON
Call
£3.00
£9.70
£23.46
Bossman180
All-in
£12.36
£22.06
£0.00
DOHHHHHHH
All-in
£19.15
£41.21
£0.00
VAGABON
Call
£19.15
£60.36
£4.31
VAGABON
2) Bit loose?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
DOHHHHHHH
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£53.98
LUCKYSAMMI
Big blind
£0.20
£0.30
£24.91
Your hole cards
8
J
10
Q
yorkie63
Raise
£0.60
£0.90
£17.81
GREGHOGG
Fold
DOHHHHHHH
Raise
£1.90
£2.80
£52.08
LUCKYSAMMI
Fold
yorkie63
Raise
£5.60
£8.40
£12.21
DOHHHHHHH
Call
£4.20
£12.60
£47.88
Flop
9
8
6
DOHHHHHHH
Check
yorkie63
All-in
£12.21
£24.81
£0.00
DOHHHHHHH
Call
£12.21
£37.02
£35.67
DOHHHHHHH
3) Fold the river?
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
GreekWay
Small blind
£0.10
£0.10
£34.36
DOHHHHHHH
Big blind
£0.20
£0.30
£32.07
Your hole cards
7
4
8
6
jameswins
Fold
slabotron
Raise
£0.70
£1.00
£76.94
SKAGS
Fold
GREGHOGG
Fold
GreekWay
Call
£0.60
£1.60
£33.76
DOHHHHHHH
Raise
£2.60
£4.20
£29.47
slabotron
Call
£2.10
£6.30
£74.84
GreekWay
Call
£2.10
£8.40
£31.66
Flop
5
A
8
GreekWay
Check
DOHHHHHHH
Check
slabotron
Check
Turn
2
GreekWay
Bet
£6.20
£14.60
£25.46
DOHHHHHHH
Call
£6.20
£20.80
£23.27
slabotron
Fold
River
6
GreekWay
Bet
£16.00
£36.80
£9.46
DOHHHHHHH
Call
£16.00
£52.80
£7.27
GreekWay
4) Should I barrell this turn or take a free card?
You made some very good points in your post and I hope I wont forget anything I have in my mind. It's good though that you have understood so many things about your style of playing and your leaks. That is always a good thing whatever game you are playing.
1. Dont try and compare PLO and NLH. There are two completely different games. I am reffering to the note that you lost 13 pots above 15quid whereas in NLH you would lose 4. I think that is fine. Money in PLO go in so many times and you get decent odds with most of your hands. In NLH, money go in far fewer times. So the above doesn't suprise me. Also there are times in PLO that you can't hit anything. And when I say that I mean it. I remember sometime ago I literally couldn't hit anything. Nothing. My opponents kept hitting and I didn't. But also I remember a time when I called for a card and did come. Called also my opponent to go all-in when I had the nuts. And it did happen. Exactly as the KKxx hand yesterday. Happy days.
2. You have to read the board and also give credit to opponents when they bet. You call way too much on the river and that's why you lose big pots imo. You can call a small bet on the flop or turn but river bets are so big and mainly for value so you are bleeding chips in some spots. I understand your curiosity and the feeling that everyone wants to keep bluffing me but try and change that.
3. Yesterday you played far too loose. I don't know if it was because of me or Hoggers but you kept 3betting or even 4betting with marginal hands and raising my bets. I did fold couple of times as its part of my strategy (I wont go further on that). When you start trying a new game I understand that you want to play hands, involved in pots etc etc and everything. But I would suggest you playing tight. Take Greghogg's example. He played a bit tight and he only played aggressive his big hands. That's what you should do. You don't have the experience to play marginal hands or bluffing with them. (I hope you understand my point and that is made under positive manners and not to cause any offence).
Keep it up mate. Its a good start that even losing so many pots you are up for the day. I will keep an eye on your thread. Starts to get interesting.
PS: I will discuss the hands you posted in a separate post.
1. I fold pre! Why are you raising? 2 pr will be losing here. N.B. You get 4 x hole cards making 6 x poss starting hands in PLO. You've got 2 here at best.
2. Fine IMO - loads of outs.
3. I'm folding the river here.
4. Take a free card.
Just my quick thoughts. I not an expert but it kinda looks like you are playing way too many hands?
I'm writing these before reading Greeky's reply, good chance to compare notes afterwards.
1) This is an awkward spot. You get great odds to call the first all in, but even with your shove the big stack gets grwat odds to come along. As the big stack only flatted your c-bet they could be weak-ish, but with top 2 without any meaningful draws you're rarely in good shape against 2 opponents. Mathematically probably a close spot, but not sure
2) Almost perfect rainbow flop and you're absolutely getting the odds to call off.
3) C-bet imo. You have the 2nd nuts and the way the betting went you're hand is under-repped and Greeky can value bet worse here (sets, 34) or just bluff because you showed weakness.
4) I think betting is fine. If you check and miss you have to give up, and by betting you can get him off flush draws, top pairs, weak 2 pairs. etc.
Sorry I was very lucky against you last night. I will comment on your hands, but Im not very good myself so my opinion might not be valid.
Hand 1: As played its hard to get away from top 2 in a 3bet pot with your image, but your probably up against as set or big draw. Only problem you havnt got many extensions just some backdoors. I would call tho and I like the 3bet pre flop.
Hand 2: Good hand to 3bet with but not against tight players. I would call the 4 bet (as has enough equity against his range) and no getting away from that flop. The problem when you call the 4 bet is most of the time you will miss and the aggressor will take the pot away from you.
Hand 3: I would fold river and be ready to fight another day! Very few players at this level pot river without nuts.
Hand 4: I like your play in this hand. I would barrell the turn as played and you have no choice but to prey for a suckout on river. Most of the time this will be winning play as most players will give up on turn. Sometime tho you will get your hand caught in the cookie jar.
My observations of your play is you call light in 3 and 4 bet pots with dominated hands which will get you in trouble against players with wide 3 and 4 betting ranges. When you are the aggressor your play is good.
Hope this helps. I could do with help on my game as I have many leaks.
Sorry I was very lucky against you last night. I will comment on your hands, but Im not very good myself so my opinion might not be valid. Posted by Poisen
Hi Glenelg, sorry I don't get what you mean! Posted by Poisen
HI Poisen,
Twas just a joke really. What you said to Dohh was "I'm not very good BUT I still beat you!" I know you didn't mean it like that and Dohh will understand. I just thought it was funny!
n Response to Re: "Sit & DOHHHHHHH Diary" : HI Poisen, Twas just a joke really. What you said to Dohh was "I'm not very good BUT I still beat you!" I know you didn't mean it like that and Dohh will understand. I just thought it was funny! Posted by Glenelg
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, I get you now. No worrys. At least it made you laugh!
1. Opponents shows strength with his move. The point that you dont have redraws its worrying. You have top 2 but you may be behind to a set or racing against a straight draw or a flush draw. Because you have no spades in your hand flush draw is more possible. Tough spot cause its also a 3bet pot.
2. Snap call and hope to hit. Nothing else. Easy.
3. I cant comment on my hand. But because I am betting almost full pot, I give me credit. (sounds a bit weird)
4. I put my opponent on a set here or a flush draw. It's a marginal spot. I would happily call if he made his move on the flop but for 10 more I think I would call here. But I believe you are behind and you need to hit.
youre offline so i have to post it on here or ill forget. remember when you told me cold curry is the nuts. You were right. F'in amazing Posted by percival09
Its the nuts if your steaming drunk and have no sense of taste. If your sober its disgusting, well a proper one is, conjealed fat yuk!
Comments
Get yourself some nuts
u massive PLO fish
At one point I had 2x 500xbb stacks. I think this is going to be a problem, I'm far too IN experienced to play that deep against people that know what they're doing. It's also gonna mean sick swings too.
Points 1562
Ok, dnt really know what hands to post for strategy discussion, AIPF ones probably pointless, so I'll randomly pick 2 winners and 2 losers, and not show results.
** Loose aggressive image in all hands. No reads, I can't get any playing holdem so no chance here!!**
1) Standard get in here? No redraws is abit of a worry....
1) This is an awkward spot. You get great odds to call the first all in, but even with your shove the big stack gets grwat odds to come along. As the big stack only flatted your c-bet they could be weak-ish, but with top 2 without any meaningful draws you're rarely in good shape against 2 opponents. Mathematically probably a close spot, but not sure
2) Almost perfect rainbow flop and you're absolutely getting the odds to call off.
3) C-bet imo. You have the 2nd nuts and the way the betting went you're hand is under-repped and Greeky can value bet worse here (sets, 34) or just bluff because you showed weakness.
4) I think betting is fine. If you check and miss you have to give up, and by betting you can get him off flush draws, top pairs, weak 2 pairs. etc.
Hand 1: As played its hard to get away from top 2 in a 3bet pot with your image, but your probably up against as set or big draw. Only problem you havnt got many extensions just some backdoors. I would call tho and I like the 3bet pre flop.
Hand 2: Good hand to 3bet with but not against tight players. I would call the 4 bet (as has enough equity against his range) and no getting away from that flop. The problem when you call the 4 bet is most of the time you will miss and the aggressor will take the pot away from you.
Hand 3: I would fold river and be ready to fight another day! Very few players at this level pot river without nuts.
Hand 4: I like your play in this hand. I would barrell the turn as played and you have no choice but to prey for a suckout on river. Most of the time this will be winning play as most players will give up on turn. Sometime tho you will get your hand caught in the cookie jar.
My observations of your play is you call light in 3 and 4 bet pots with dominated hands which will get you in trouble against players with wide 3 and 4 betting ranges. When you are the aggressor your play is good.
Hope this helps. I could do with help on my game as I have many leaks.
good luck at the tables
Students lol.