Yes 20 nl would be easy to beat if your AK holds up against AQs. A good illustration of your image working for you i think, all in pre with AQ is not something i do at all routinely. unlucky.
Yes 20 nl would be easy to beat if your AK holds up against AQs. A good illustration of your image working for you i think, all in pre with AQ is not something i do at all routinely. unlucky. Posted by simonnatur
To be fair, if you're AIPF with AQ, I'm probably the right player to do it against. And I also got all my money in pre twice with AQ against AK in the session and won both times, so it probably evened itself out a bit with that hand :P
In Response to Re: Donk retires from playing Heads-up [EvilPingu's Diary] : To be fair, if you're AIPF with AQ, I'm probably the right player to do it against. And I also got all my money in pre twice with AQ against AK in the session and won both times, so it probably evened itself out a bit with that hand :P Posted by EvilPingu
Keep in mind that poker is a marathon not a sprint. I would recommend sticking at the very lowest stakes. even if you are comfortably bankrolled for the higher stakes.
Learn to master the cash game before putting significant sums of money at risk. It can be very tempting to play higher stakes after winning a tournament. however ideally you want to be bankrolling your cash game with cash winnings. This will show you that you are mastering the cash game, as long as you are showing a profit over a very large sample size eg between 50,000 and 100,000 hands maybe more Playing high stakes is over-rated. The most important things are, to enjoy playing, and play well.
I would suggest that you focus the vast majority of your poker efforts on cash, as this is the form of poker where the biggest edges exist.But learn from training videos and playing very low stakes. After you have gained experience in 6 max games then you could venture into heads up cash. STRICT TABLE SELECTION OF COURSE.
If you crave variety in your poker then I would suggest learning the different forms of cash poker ie NL PLO PLO8 etc. This will provide you with huge variety and stimulation.
You can also stir things up with occasional tournament entries, if the tournament is particularly valuable, ideally through satellites, in particular for the world series main event, for a good player this event is offers great potential value. ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND BANKROLL MANAGEMENT OF COURSE.
Well done on your success so far. Keep in mind that poker is a marathon not a sprint. I would recommend sticking at the very lowest stakes. even if you are comfortably bankrolled for the higher stakes. Learn to master the cash game before putting significant sums of money at risk. It can be very tempting to play higher stakes after winning a tournament. however ideally you want to be bankrolling your cash game with cash winnings. This will show you that you are mastering the cash game, as long as you are showing a profit over a very large sample size eg between 50,000 and 100,000 hands maybe more Playing high stakes is over-rated. The most important things are, to enjoy playing, and play well. I would suggest that you focus the vast majority of your poker efforts on cash, as this is the form of poker where the biggest edges exist.But learn from training videos and playing very low stakes. After you have gained experience in 6 max games then you could venture into heads up cash. STRICT TABLE SELECTION OF COURSE. If you crave variety in your poker then I would suggest learning the different forms of cash poker ie NL PLO PLO8 etc. This will provide you with huge variety and stimulation. You can also stir things up with occasional tournament entries, if the tournament is particularly valuable, ideally through satellites, in particular for the world series main event, for a good player this event is offers great potential value. ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND BANKROLL MANAGEMENT OF COURSE. GL. Posted by Fabraclass
Dont know who you are mate but i am guessing you are very successful at this game because reading through your posts you speak alot of sense.
Alot of players read pingus diary and like myself alot of them are new to the game and trying to improve and posts like yours help alot of others aswell as pingu himself.
Thanks for your input and please keep it coming
Also best of luck pingu mate and im sure its just a matter of time before that roll starts going up again
What is a downswing - I am on one myself - just chewed through £200 @ NL10/20 very easily and done nothing wrong
If you have a swingy game then you can easily swing +/- 4-6 bins per session
When you play a BRM of 40 bins then you need a good start, if you don't get that good start and continue then you have to drop down - earn your crust at NL20 and then move on - When things are going well, BRM doesn't seem like an issue - when you run bad then you really start to feel the pinch
Cash poker is about the longevity not short term success
Found a mistake on my spreadsheet, which means I'm actually a pound better off than I thought I was, so my £700 hole is actually a £699 hole. Every cloud... :P
Getting more comfortable with multi-tabling cash now, and the recovery is underway, it would seem.
In Response to Re: Donk retires from playing Heads-up [EvilPingu's Diary] : Dont know who you are mate but i am guessing you are very successful at this game because reading through your posts you speak alot of sense. Alot of players read pingus diary and like myself alot of them are new to the game and trying to improve and posts like yours help alot of others aswell as pingu himself. Thanks for your input and please keep it coming Also best of luck pingu mate and im sure its just a matter of time before that roll starts going up again Daz Posted by _ARAZI_
Thanks mate!
Try not to give short, arrogant, know it all answers, like some of the posts i see. Have'nt played on sky for a while, but I will very occasionally look on the forum, and if their is a topic i feel passionately enough about i will post and try to give advise, not to feed my own ego, but to help people.
Oi Donk, er i mean EvilPingu, you'r 18 right? man i wish i had started playing poker and had you'r roll to play with at that age, don't let some losses get you down, just get better! If i was you now i would play 6-8 /> tables on 20NL, and aim to beat it; to build confidence, better to learn from lower levels than at higher when the losses have greater affect esp when it can create conflict with family life, to whatever you do m8 GL. Posted by WHOAMI196
Saturday 21st April, 2012 Found a mistake on my spreadsheet, which means I'm actually a pound better off than I thought I was, so my £700 hole is actually a £699 hole. Every cloud... :P Getting more comfortable with multi-tabling cash now, and the recovery is underway, it would seem. 9 x 20NL, +£3.66 8 x 20NL, +£6.99 £5.50 DYM - W14 L8, +£19.00 £11 DYM - W2 L1, +£7.00 ********** Bankroll: £1,784.66 Today: +£36.65 This month: -£661.92 C4P: 6,300 (£126.00) ********** Posted by EvilPingu
That's more like it Pingu. I'm sure with a bit of hard work and a bit more C4P you could manage to end up with a break even month, which would be a great result all things considered.
What is a downswing - I am on one myself - just chewed through £200 @ NL10/20 very easily and done nothing wrong If you have a swingy game then you can easily swing +/- 4-6 bins per session When you play a BRM of 40 bins then you need a good start, if you don't get that good start and continue then you have to drop down - earn your crust at NL20 and then move on - When things are going well, BRM doesn't seem like an issue - when you run bad then you really start to feel the pinch Cash poker is about the longevity not short term success good luck Posted by rancid
Ouch You've definitely got a good enough game though to pull that back, just run better )
Definitely know what you mean about the swings. I've had sessions where I've been 4 BI's down, then gone to being 4 BI's up, and finished break even within a couple of hours.
In Response to Re: Donk retires from playing Heads-up [EvilPingu's Diary] : That's more like it Pingu. I'm sure with a bit of hard work and a bit more C4P you could manage to end up with a break even month, which would be a great result all things considered. Posted by Lambert180
As well as Priority Club (which is looking like I'm going to need a miracle to get into now), finishing the month break even is a target at the moment, should be achievable with enough volume as I feel that 20NL is a level that I can definitely beat. Tbh, I'd be incredibly lucky if I finish this month break even, 'cause I don't deserve to.
In Response to Re: Donk retires from playing Heads-up [EvilPingu's Diary] : Pretty much did this, dropped down to 20NL today and played 9 tables. Unlike multi-tabling DYMs where I'm usually open shoving, and as a result I don't actually have to remember what happened, I'm finding it a challenge to remember what I did pre-flop sometimes, I see I'm in a 3 way pot with AT on the button and I'm like, "Was I the initial raiser here?"- Takes me a couple of seconds to work out that I did infact open raise pre-flop and I'm supposed to c-bet. Will get used to it soon enough. Wouldn't be surprised if there's one or two really random donk leads when I go back through my hand history though ) Found the games quite soft tbh. Not sure how much of that is just 'cause it's Friday and there's a ton of recreational players online, or because I'm stepping down from 50NL where the games are obviously much tougher. In the most un-arrogant (is that a word?) way possible, 20NL should be quite easy to beat. Posted by EvilPingu
haha im not the only one then, when this happened i cut some of my tables, i will play 6 tables max at 50nl but migh play 9 tables that include lower stakes, so that my mistakes aren't so costly, saying that i did call a shove with Ahigh in error on NL30 lol.
20NL is definitely softer but you have to be more disciplined i think, giving up when your c-bets don't work, controlling the pot when marginal etc, but there should be enough value there when you hit you'r hand that it should counteract you'r passiveness when you don't have a value hand, not telling you how to play here but i have played a lot on NL20$ to know it can be frustrating and you can lose you'r head easily.
Im glad to see you took the decision to drop down, it's mentally hard to do that, all the best to you m8.
Once again, didn't play much today (Well, yesterday now that I'm posting).
Also crushed a Limit Stud Hi-Lo Freeroll on 'Stars. I have no money on my account there so I only play the mixed game freeerolls for a bit of fun occasionally. As a result, I won a ticket into a $2k guaranteed tournament - Not bad for a game I've never played before! I'll hopefully cash in that and start building a bankroll on there too, giving me somewhere to play when I'm up at 4am and there's next to nothing running on Sky.
Played 20NL, kept running into the nuts. Every. Single. Time. I had a big hand, someone had a slightly bigger hand. Most tilting session ever ¬_¬ Basically had the last 2 days off, don't really want to finish the month several hundred quid down so will be playing £5.50 DYMs for the rest of the month and hopefully get as close to break even as I can... Sigh.
Rembember Pingu, you dont have to do anything clever to win at small stakes poker. Just play really simple and tight and get back on track. I think f you are 3betting and 4betting with anything other then ak, aa kk or qq, try cutting it out. Posted by Spad3s
Yeah, that's what I was doing today, unfortunately just one of them sessions where I kept running QQ into AA, opponents flopping full houses for fun when I had overpairs, etc. Honestly wouldn't have done much differently tbh.
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Keep in mind that poker is a marathon not a sprint. I would recommend sticking at the very lowest stakes. even if you are comfortably bankrolled for the higher stakes.
Learn to master the cash game before putting significant sums of money at risk. It can be very tempting to play higher stakes after winning a tournament. however ideally you want to be bankrolling your cash game with cash winnings. This will show you that you are mastering the cash game, as long as you are showing a profit over a very large sample size eg between 50,000 and 100,000 hands maybe more
Playing high stakes is over-rated. The most important things are, to enjoy playing, and play well.
I would suggest that you focus the vast majority of your poker efforts on cash, as this is the form of poker where the biggest edges exist.But learn from training videos and playing very low stakes. After you have gained experience in 6 max games then you could venture into heads up cash. STRICT TABLE SELECTION OF COURSE.
If you crave variety in your poker then I would suggest learning the different forms of cash poker ie NL PLO PLO8 etc. This will provide you with huge variety and stimulation.
You can also stir things up with occasional tournament entries, if the tournament is particularly valuable, ideally through satellites, in particular for the world series main event, for a good player this event is offers great potential value. ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND BANKROLL MANAGEMENT OF COURSE.
GL.
Ahead £4 per 100 hands at 50 NL.
£40 per 1,000 hands (almost 1 full buyin)
£4,000 per 100,000 hands (80 buy ins)
This is what is required to beat the rake.
Alot of players read pingus diary and like myself alot of them are new to the game and trying to improve and posts like yours help alot of others aswell as pingu himself.
Thanks for your input and please keep it coming
Also best of luck pingu mate and im sure its just a matter of time before that roll starts going up again
Daz
If you have a swingy game then you can easily swing +/- 4-6 bins per session
When you play a BRM of 40 bins then you need a good start, if you don't get that good start and continue then you have to drop down - earn your crust at NL20 and then move on -
When things are going well, BRM doesn't seem like an issue - when you run bad then you really start to feel the pinch
Cash poker is about the longevity not short term success
good luck
Try not to give short, arrogant, know it all answers, like some of the posts i see. Have'nt played on sky for a while, but I will very occasionally look on the forum, and if their is a topic i feel passionately enough about i will post and try to give advise, not to feed my own ego, but to help people.
GL to you Daz.
20NL is definitely softer but you have to be more disciplined i think, giving up when your c-bets don't work, controlling the pot when marginal etc, but there should be enough value there when you hit you'r hand that it should counteract you'r passiveness when you don't have a value hand, not telling you how to play here but i have played a lot on NL20$ to know it can be frustrating and you can lose you'r head easily.
Im glad to see you took the decision to drop down, it's mentally hard to do that, all the best to you m8.
Just play really simple and tight and get back on track.
I think f you are 3betting and 4betting with anything other then ak, aa kk or qq, try cutting it out.