simple question, if the person that just had the blinds gets moved, does this happen on the spt tour aswell Posted by bigal36903
Would be down to the Casino house rules I guess, but if it's a complete table break, there's always the possibility as it's usually done on a random basis.
If it's just moving one player to balance tables then they would usually have a system in place to protect against this happening
If your question is "where is the randomness for that" then I'd say this... If this sequence of events never happened that would make the table move algorithm non-random. Posted by Machka
Sadly, Aaron it is not random. As has been pointed out many times. The software is flawed. If 1 player leaves a table - it is WITHOUT EXCEPTION the button that moves, rather than the person who is next to be the big blind (as happens live in every casino I have played in).
I imagine it would take a decent programmer 10 minutes to fix, yet it's been like this for 5 years now.
I don't want to get bogged down in "rules", but the convention of moving the BB has obvious merit.
It is clearly unfair to expect a player to pay the 2 blinds, then not get a go at the button. Especially as there is a decent chance they will cop for the blinds again soon on the new table.
Of the 6 places to choose, Sky has picked the most unfair one. Why?
EDIT: on SPT events, I have never seen anyone other than the BB moved (unless the entire table splits)
Eyeman is correct, the player who has just posted the SB and is due to be on the button next is the player who gets moved 100% of the time. There's a good chance that player will be posting the blinds again almost immediately at their new table. Bizzarely if he/she gets moved to the button on another table they have to sit that hand out, even though that would have been their position for the next hand had they not been moved.
This flaw has been pointed out many times before, hopefully it will be fixed in a future software update.
Eyeman is correct, the player who has just posted the SB and is due to be on the button next is the player who gets moved 100% of the time. There's a good chance that player will be posting the blinds again almost immediately at their new table. Bizzarely if he/she gets moved to the button on another table they have to sit that hand out, even though that would have been their position for the next hand had they not been moved. This flaw has been pointed out many times before, hopefully it will be fixed in a future software update. Posted by GaryQQQ
I noticed this in a timed tourney I was in. There was about a minute to go and I was doing ok, however I ended up being moved to a new table and posting blinds twice - then the game ended!
I've just played 3 orbits in a row in a tournament without playing a hand on the button due to to table changes, in each orbit I had to post BB and SB.
OK< we know it's not. Sky obviously has other priorities.
As an aside, we know that the BB will be eliminted more than any other seat, so when a player moves to a new table, it is more likely they will be asked to post the blind twice more. Early on, it's no biggie, but later (especially in satellites) it's just rank unfair.
Yet I have never seen a post in reply to one of these from any of the people who count at Sky saying they're looking at it.
As I've said before, it must be a 10 minute job to change the software from "always the button" to "always the BB". Why wouldn't they do anyhting?
Some confusion on this thread so will clarify from DTD rules page, I have played in many casinos in the UK, Ireland and Vegas and have never seen a different policy to this one
Balancing Tables- In flop games when balancing tables' players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position (which is never the small blind), the table to which a player is moved will be as specified by a predetermined procedure. Play will halt on any table that is at least three players short. In stud games players will be moved by position (the last seat to open up at the short table is the seat to be filled). DTD Tournament policies page
They move BEFORE posting a BIG BLIND so they never post 2 x BB in quick succession
When table is broken a card is dealt face up to each player, A high - the highest card goes to Table 1 spare seat, next highest to table 2 etc
To answer GaryQQQ, you cannot enter straight away sometimes until the button has passed you as this would cause a gap between the button and the small blind, this does occur on Sky sometimes
The 3 orbits I just mentioned were no big deal because it was the early stages of a small stakes tournament. However if this were the late stages of a Roller or The Primo it would become a big issue, there's a lot of money on the line and the player involved is put at a big disadvantage to the rest of the field.
Sky's method of arranging table moves is almost the total opposite of that described in the rule above.
Some confusion on this thread so will clarify from DTD rules page, I have played in many casinos in the UK, Ireland and Vegas and have never seen a different policy to this one Balancing Tables- In flop games when balancing tables' players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position (which is never the small blind), the table to which a player is moved will be as specified by a predetermined procedure. Play will halt on any table that is at least three players short. In stud games players will be moved by position (the last seat to open up at the short table is the seat to be filled). DTD Tournament policies page They move BEFORE posting a BIG BLIND so they never post 2 x BB in quick succession When table is broken a card is dealt face up to each player, A high - the highest card goes to Table 1 spare seat, next highest to table 2 etc To answer GaryQQQ, you cannot enter straight away sometimes until the button has passed you as this would cause a gap between the button and the small blind, this does occur on Sky sometimes Dave Posted by SolarCarro
if this is the case how can i be moved straight after posting blinds and then have to post blinds on the next table, not once but 3 moves after i posted blinds into the blinds
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : if this is the case how can i be moved straight after posting blinds and then have to post blinds on the next table, not once but 3 moves after i posted blinds into the blinds Posted by bigal36903
This is a LIVE poker rule, the Tournament Director ensures it happens
Sky's method is random, all in the programming and as stated above could do with being changed to only move a "next Big Blind"
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : This is a LIVE poker rule, the Tournament Director ensures it happens Sky's method is random, all in the programming and as stated above could do with being changed to only move a "next Big Blind" Posted by SolarCarro
FFS, Dave -it's NOT RANDOM /> IT IS ALWAYS THE BUTTON THAT MOVES> Random, we could cope with - being screwed by bad programming, we can't!!
In B & M poker, it is always (or should always.....) be the Big Blind that is moved, & they are moved to the worst possible seat on their new Table.
Generally, in Online Poker it is done randomly, by, I assume (I don't know for sure) the RNG.
It is true to say that doing it this way, it sometimes disadvantages the moved player. But it would be equally fair to say that it just as often advantages the moved player. Poker players notice when it disadvantages them, & fail to notice when they get a "good" move.
On balance, it confers no real advantage either way in the longer term. Poker, like life, is not always fair - we don't like it when a really good player is to our immediate left, & our mate, on the next Table, has a table full of not so good players. That's not fair, either, but it's how poker works, really.
The same debate has raged for years in B & M poker, but really, I don't know why, we just need to ride with the punches, & remember that it cuts both ways, it just as often favours us as it does not.
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If it's just moving one player to balance tables then they would usually have a system in place to protect against this happening
I imagine it would take a decent programmer 10 minutes to fix, yet it's been like this for 5 years now.
It is clearly unfair to expect a player to pay the 2 blinds, then not get a go at the button. Especially as there is a decent chance they will cop for the blinds again soon on the new table.
Of the 6 places to choose, Sky has picked the most unfair one. Why?
EDIT: on SPT events, I have never seen anyone other than the BB moved (unless the entire table splits)
This flaw has been pointed out many times before, hopefully it will be fixed in a future software update.
Funnily enough it happened to me just after making the post above. After posting the SB in this hand;
Hand History #485127376 (11:19 28/02/2012)
Hand History #485127480 (11:19 28/02/2012)
Hand History #485128398 (11:24 28/02/2012)
My next hand at another table;
Hand History #485128732 (11:25 28/02/2012)
OK< we know it's not. Sky obviously has other priorities.
As an aside, we know that the BB will be eliminted more than any other seat, so when a player moves to a new table, it is more likely they will be asked to post the blind twice more. Early on, it's no biggie, but later (especially in satellites) it's just rank unfair.
Yet I have never seen a post in reply to one of these from any of the people who count at Sky saying they're looking at it.
As I've said before, it must be a 10 minute job to change the software from "always the button" to "always the BB". Why wouldn't they do anyhting?
Balancing Tables- In flop games when balancing tables' players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position (which is never the small blind), the table to which a player is moved will be as specified by a predetermined procedure. Play will halt on any table that is at least three players short. In stud games players will be moved by position (the last seat to open up at the short table is the seat to be filled). DTD Tournament policies page
They move BEFORE posting a BIG BLIND so they never post 2 x BB in quick succession
When table is broken a card is dealt face up to each player, A high - the highest card goes to Table 1 spare seat, next highest to table 2 etc
To answer GaryQQQ, you cannot enter straight away sometimes until the button has passed you as this would cause a gap between the button and the small blind, this does occur on Sky sometimes
Dave
Sky's method of arranging table moves is almost the total opposite of that described in the rule above.
if this is the case how can i be moved straight after posting blinds and then have to post blinds on the next table, not once but 3 moves after i posted blinds into the blinds
Sky's method is random, all in the programming and as stated above could do with being changed to only move a "next Big Blind"
This thread a while back also discusses why on Sky it is always the button that moves?
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3a02929b7b-8c52-4037-80e1-f4ff9582adf8&plckCurrentPage=0
If it is programmed to be the button that moves then surely an easy fix?
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3a26052e45-99fe-48c3-8273-f093bf15dbad
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Thanks Graham.
In B & M poker, it is always (or should always.....) be the Big Blind that is moved, & they are moved to the worst possible seat on their new Table.
Generally, in Online Poker it is done randomly, by, I assume (I don't know for sure) the RNG.
It is true to say that doing it this way, it sometimes disadvantages the moved player. But it would be equally fair to say that it just as often advantages the moved player. Poker players notice when it disadvantages them, & fail to notice when they get a "good" move.
On balance, it confers no real advantage either way in the longer term. Poker, like life, is not always fair - we don't like it when a really good player is to our immediate left, & our mate, on the next Table, has a table full of not so good players. That's not fair, either, but it's how poker works, really.
The same debate has raged for years in B & M poker, but really, I don't know why, we just need to ride with the punches, & remember that it cuts both ways, it just as often favours us as it does not.