lol this is ridiculous, why doesn't someone from sky just reply directly to 1 of Eyemans posts, and explain the situation? Is he right and they're working on a solution? Is he right, and they're not doing anything about it? Is he wrong? Got to be 1 of the above...... Posted by DOHHHHHHH
You can rule out the third option on that list, he's 100% correct.
lol this is ridiculous, why doesn't someone from sky just reply directly to 1 of Eyemans posts, and explain the situation? Is he right and they're working on a solution? Is he right, and they're not doing anything about it? Is he wrong? Got to be 1 of the above...... Posted by DOHHHHHHH
i just thought it was a random thing b4 i started playing live.. then i noticed it more and more and last night after 3 moves in short succession to my disadvantage i thought it was wrong....
Yea I think he's right too. If there is no strict 'rule' & there's no 'right or wrong' then eyemans proposal is better than skys interpretation anyway. So they should change. It's crushing in velocities/speeds when avg stacks are often 8-15xbbs Posted by DOHHHHHHH
you forgot to answer dohhhhh.. when r u coming to an spt event
lol this is ridiculous, why doesn't someone from sky just reply directly to 1 of Eyemans posts, and explain the situation? Is he right and they're working on a solution? Is he right, and they're not doing anything about it? Is he wrong? Got to be 1 of the above...... Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I HAVE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, I`M SURE THEY`VE READ THIS THREAD BY NOW SO WOULD BE NICE FOR RESPONSE. MY POST BELOW.
on a more serious note and i`m no computer geek trust me, i have to get daughter to show me how to switch lappy on, but is there anyway off stopping same player getting moved to table sit there one hand then moved again ? and do sky boffins have anything in pipeline to prevent this happening.
Its random according to Tikay in this thread started by you!! https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3a26052e45-99fe-48c3-8273-f093bf15dbad Quote Tikay Thanks Graham. In B & M poker, it is always (or should always.....) be the Big Blind that is moved, & they are moved to the worst possible seat on their new Table. Generally, in Online Poker it is done randomly, by, I assume (I don't know for sure) the RNG. It is true to say that doing it this way, it sometimes dis advantages the moved player. But it would be equally fair to say that it just as often advantages the moved player. Poker players notice when it disadvantages them, & fail to notice when they get a "good" move. On balance, it confers no real advantage either way in the longer term. Poker, like life, is not always fair - we don't like it when a really good player is to our immediate left, & our mate, on the next Table, has a table full of not so good players. That's not fair, either, but it's how poker works, really. The same debate has raged for years in B & M poker, but really, I don't know why, we just need to ride with the punches, & remember that it cuts both ways, it just as often favours us as it does not. Posted by SolarCarro
Tikay was wrong. He was under the impression it was random. It isn't, thus the rest of the answer is pretty much null and void. It can never be an advantage to be moved fro the button - it's why it isn't done in proper poker. A table move CAN be an advantage, that's a whole different kettle of fish, just don't move people from the button.
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : Tikay was wrong. He was under the impression it was random. It isn't, thus the rest of the answer is pretty much null and void. It can never be an advantage to be moved fro the button - it's why it isn't done in proper poker. A table move CAN be an advantage, that's a whole different kettle of fish, just don't move people from the button. Posted by Eyeman
It is random in the respect that which button player is selected to move? There could be 50 tables in play with 50 button players so who moves? That makes it random surely?
I have played over 5000 games on Sky and can honestly say I have never felt I was disadvantaged by a table move, i certainly don't remember being aggreived. Sometimes when you are moved you have to miss a hand so it is moving you to the same position that you came from or to the cut off, obviously the seat you are moved to is dictated by which seat became free.
I also don't remember gaining an advantage from a table move.
As Aaron points out, moving the next BB is not in any poker rules, it is just an accepted policy, maybe Sky deliberately programmed their software to move the button, who knows?
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : It is random in the respect that which button player is selected to move? There could be 50 tables in play with 50 button players so who moves? That makes it random surely? I have played over 5000 games on Sky and can honestly say I have never felt I was disadvantaged by a table move, i certainly don't remember being aggreived. Sometimes when you are moved you have to miss a hand so it is moving you to the same position that you came from or to the cut off, obviously the seat you are moved to is dictated by which seat became free. I also don't remember gaining an advantage from a table move. As Aaron points out, moving the next BB is not in any poker rules, it is just an accepted policy, maybe Sky deliberately programmed their software to move the button, who knows? Surely it is the same for everyone? Posted by SolarCarro
fine early stages but it not right in later stage of tournie ( below )
is joke but getting b/b + s/b then moving strate to b/b again now this has happend before but for 3rd time in row, that`s a joke esp when you can`t call someone shoving and you have donk cards every time you move so i lost 3600k, when i did shove no choice ( but with decent cards) chip leader calls (odds) with worse and hitting. so please how is this fair with so called random moving to balance tables, as stated this prob cost me semi spot in m/e
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : It is random in the respect that which button player is selected to move? There could be 50 tables in play with 50 button players so who moves? That makes it random surely? I have played over 5000 games on Sky and can honestly say I have never felt I was disadvantaged by a table move, i certainly don't remember being aggreived. Sometimes when you are moved you have to miss a hand so it is moving you to the same position that you came from or to the cut off, obviously the seat you are moved to is dictated by which seat became free. I also don't remember gaining an advantage from a table move. As Aaron points out, moving the next BB is not in any poker rules, it is just an accepted policy, maybe Sky deliberately programmed their software to move the button, who knows? Surely it is the same for everyone? Posted by SolarCarro
Oh come off it, Dave. I thought better of you than this. It will move a player from a table of 6 to 5. No-one is griping when it's 50 tables, as the blinds are miniscule. When you're playing a satelliete and it's down to 2 or 3 tables, and you're clinging on by your fingertips, to be moved from the button having stuck a sizeable part of your stack in the middle, only to find yourself plonked on the BB again is plain unfair. There's reasons casinos don't do it. 1. It isn't fair. 2. Live - someone is likely to bop you on the nose for doing something so stupid.
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : Oh come off it, Dave. I thought better of you than this. It will move a player from a table of 6 to 5. No-one is griping when it's 50 tables, as the blinds are miniscule. When you're playing a satelliete and it's down to 2 or 3 tables, and you're clinging on by your fingertips, to be moved from the button having stuck a sizeable part of your stack in the middle, only to find yourself plonked on the BB again is plain unfair. There's reasons casinos don't do it. 1. It isn't fair. 2. Live - someone is likely to bop you on the nose for doing something so stupid. Posted by Eyeman
Lol Free world Graham, I can see how it could disadvantage somebody absolutely but still maintain it is the same for everybody
When Sian was eliminated from a live tourney by the 5th Ace in the pack she was told it was the same disadvantage for everybody, that wasn't fair was it?
I said earlier, maybe Sky will change it but its prob not one of the priority yellow post it notes on their board
Interesting to note if you read that thread, that once Sweetylady points out that it is always the button the moves, Sky reps are conspicuous by their absence. There has also never been a response in 2 or 3 other similar threads (one last week). All we are asking for is a "we'll look at this and sort it out". If the program can be made to always move the button, surely it can be made to always move the incoming BB? The silnce is deafening. Maybe a MOD can have a word?
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : Sadly, Aaron it is not random. As has been pointed out many times. The software is flawed. If 1 player leaves a table - it is WITHOUT EXCEPTION the button that moves, rather than the person who is next to be the big blind (as happens live in every casino I have played in). I imagine it would take a decent programmer 10 minutes to fix, yet it's been like this for 5 years now. Posted by Eyeman
I know what you mean Graham, but I'm answering a different question above.
You may be correct in saying it would take 10 minutes to fix the programming to move the BB instead. But I bet it would then take a month to test the changes to prove no adverse side effects by that change.
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : Interesting to note if you read that thread, that once Sweetylady points out that it is always the button the moves, Sky reps are conspicuous by their absence. There has also never been a response in 2 or 3 other similar threads (one last week). All we are asking for is a "we'll look at this and sort it out". If the program can be made to always move the button, surely it can be made to always move the incoming BB? The silnce is deafening. Maybe a MOD can have a word? Posted by Eyeman
;0) will see what i can do!
As a matter of interest does anybody know what other sites policy is regarding table balancing?
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : Lol Free world Graham, I can see how it could disadvantage somebody absolutely but still maintain it is the same for everybody When Sian was eliminated from a live tourney by the 5th Ace in the pack she was told it was the same disadvantage for everybody, that wasn't fair was it? I said earlier, maybe Sky will change it but its prob not one of the priority yellow post it notes on their board Posted by SolarCarro
We're down to 9 players. 7 win trips to vegas. 3 players are very short - only 2 or 3 BB each.
Player 1 is on a table of 5, he pays the BB, leaving themselves barely above water when the big stack puts all his chips in. He pays the SB. He's down to 1 BB, but there's 3 more hands before he has to pay the BB. PHEW! Player 2 is on the table of 4, he is utg and folds. He's going to be all in by the SB, so when the BB hits him, he's all in. He gets called by a couple of players as is eliminated. Player 3 is on the table of 4. He is down to 3 chips, and is utg (despite a seat free between himself and player 2) when player 2 is eliminated. His 3 chips will have to go into the middle. He's got to win the next 2 hands to survive a circuit....but NO....what's this. Glory be. Player 1 is plonked into the BB seat, and is all in. Player 3 folds quicker than the world ironing champion and wins a £10,000 seat to Vegas. Happy days.
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : We're down to 9 players. 7 win trips to vegas. 3 players are very short - only 2 or 3 BB each. Player 1 is on a table of 5, he pays the BB, leaving themselves barely above water when the big stack puts all his chips in. He pays the SB. He's down to 1 BB, but there's 3 more hands before he has to pay the BB. PHEW! Player 2 is on the table of 4, he is utg and folds. He's going to be all in by the SB, so when the BB hits him, he's all in. He gets called by a couple of players as is eliminated. Player 3 is on the table of 4. He is down to 3 chips, and is utg (despite a seat free between himself and player 2) when player 2 is eliminated. His 3 chips will have to go into the middle. He's got to win the next 2 hands to survive a circuit....but NO....what's this. Glory be. Player 1 is plonked into the BB seat, and is all in. Player 3 folds quicker than the world ironing champion and wins a £10,000 seat to Vegas. Happy days. Luck of the draw, or **** stupid? Posted by Eyeman
That's poker!
It's not a great example because Sky have never had 7 Vegas packages in one tournament, from memory they have given away 2 at most so we would be on FT when the bubble hits.
Not many players will fold down to 1BB, if they do then unfortunately they have to accept they are vulnerable to this situation, how many times do i have to say I agree it should be the BB that moves, the live poker policy is the one that should be adopted and I would welcome Sky changing it as well
This is an extreme case but if it happened it would just be bad luck and i'm sure the victim would be shouting from the rooftops about it
Just as well I'm not good enough to get in contention for a Vegas seat
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : That's poker! It's not a great example because Sky have never had 7 Vegas packages in one tournament, from memory they have given away 2 at most so we would be on FT when the bubble hits. Not many players will fold down to 1BB, if they do then unfortunately they have to accept they are vulnerable to this situation, how many times do i have to say I agree it should be the BB that moves, the live poker policy is the one that should be adopted and I would welcome Sky changing it as well This is an extreme case but if it happened it would just be bad luck and i'm sure the victim would be shouting from the rooftops about it Just as well I'm not good enough to get in contention for a Vegas seat Posted by SolarCarro
could easily happen in the roller as 5 get paid with 7 left...
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : Lol Free world Graham, I can see how it could disadvantage somebody absolutely but still maintain it is the same for everybody When Sian was eliminated from a live tourney by the 5th Ace in the pack she was told it was the same disadvantage for everybody, that wasn't fair was it? I said earlier, maybe Sky will change it but its prob not one of the priority yellow post it notes on their board Posted by SolarCarro
That is very bad logic.
The method should be the fair ALL the time, not sometimes beneficial and sometimes a disadvantage...
In Response to Re: moving table where`s the justice? : That is very bad logic. The method should be the fair ALL the time, not sometimes beneficial and sometimes a disadvantage... Wonder if we'll ever get an official reply?? Posted by Poker_Fail
You can't have that in poker!
7 left 1 table of 4 and 1 table of 3 - you can't split a person half so the players on the table of 3 post more blinds per hour than the table of 4
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when r u going to a spt dohhhhhhh..
p.s. i play alot different live than online..
on a more serious note and i`m no computer geek trust me, i have to get daughter to show me how to switch lappy on, but is there anyway off stopping same player getting moved to table sit there one hand then moved again ? and do sky boffins have anything in pipeline to prevent this happening.
thanks
martin
A table move CAN be an advantage, that's a whole different kettle of fish, just don't move people from the button.
I have played over 5000 games on Sky and can honestly say I have never felt I was disadvantaged by a table move, i certainly don't remember being aggreived. Sometimes when you are moved you have to miss a hand so it is moving you to the same position that you came from or to the cut off, obviously the seat you are moved to is dictated by which seat became free.
I also don't remember gaining an advantage from a table move.
As Aaron points out, moving the next BB is not in any poker rules, it is just an accepted policy, maybe Sky deliberately programmed their software to move the button, who knows?
Surely it is the same for everyone?
is joke but getting b/b + s/b then moving strate to b/b again now this has happend before but for 3rd time in row, that`s a joke esp when you can`t call someone shoving and you have donk cards every time you move so i lost 3600k, when i did shove no choice ( but with decent cards) chip leader calls (odds) with worse and hitting. so please how is this fair with so called random moving to balance tables, as stated this prob cost me semi spot in m/e
When Sian was eliminated from a live tourney by the 5th Ace in the pack she was told it was the same disadvantage for everybody, that wasn't fair was it?
I said earlier, maybe Sky will change it but its prob not one of the priority yellow post it notes on their board
The silnce is deafening. Maybe a MOD can have a word?
You may be correct in saying it would take 10 minutes to fix the programming to move the BB instead. But I bet it would then take a month to test the changes to prove no adverse side effects by that change.
As a matter of interest does anybody know what other sites policy is regarding table balancing?
Player 1 is on a table of 5, he pays the BB, leaving themselves barely above water when the big stack puts all his chips in. He pays the SB. He's down to 1 BB, but there's 3 more hands before he has to pay the BB. PHEW!
Player 2 is on the table of 4, he is utg and folds. He's going to be all in by the SB, so when the BB hits him, he's all in. He gets called by a couple of players as is eliminated.
Player 3 is on the table of 4. He is down to 3 chips, and is utg (despite a seat free between himself and player 2) when player 2 is eliminated. His 3 chips will have to go into the middle. He's got to win the next 2 hands to survive a circuit....but NO....what's this. Glory be. Player 1 is plonked into the BB seat, and is all in. Player 3 folds quicker than the world ironing champion and wins a £10,000 seat to Vegas. Happy days.
Luck of the draw, or **** stupid?
It's not a great example because Sky have never had 7 Vegas packages in one tournament, from memory they have given away 2 at most so we would be on FT when the bubble hits.
Not many players will fold down to 1BB, if they do then unfortunately they have to accept they are vulnerable to this situation, how many times do i have to say I agree it should be the BB that moves, the live poker policy is the one that should be adopted and I would welcome Sky changing it as well
This is an extreme case but if it happened it would just be bad luck and i'm sure the victim would be shouting from the rooftops about it
Just as well I'm not good enough to get in contention for a Vegas seat
That is very bad logic.
The method should be the fair ALL the time, not sometimes beneficial and sometimes a disadvantage...
Wonder if we'll ever get an official reply??
7 left 1 table of 4 and 1 table of 3 - you can't split a person half so the players on the table of 3 post more blinds per hour than the table of 4
It just can't be fair all of the time, impossible