In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : Thanks Anthony, & it was good to chat with you on the Rail last night. I managed to cash in the Main, where I did not expect (or, I think, deserve to), but go busto relatively early in the T-o-T in which, especially as I had a lot of chips early, I was confident I would cash in. But neither of us could "get off" the hand, & my Kings got binked by Queens. Such is poker, & we live to fight another day. I had about 4 hours poker fun last night in the two Tourneys, & I made £8 profit - I reckon that's pretty spectacular value considering it's a hobby, & we must factor in the anticipation we feel before nights such as last night. I dread to think how much it costs to spend a night in a pub! Posted by Tikay10
It was nice to rail you last night you had a great tournament in the main wd for that.
As for the fun side of course too many people expect to make money from this game IMO people forget that this is a hobby and a game and i find that people that moan about losing to different hands and getting knocked out of tournaments are playing way above their bankroll. I play this brilliant game with the mentality that i don't play with scared money and if i draw even or win then great i got paid for my entertainment if i lose then so be it iv'e had my fun.
I just wish more players would have this mentality and stop depositing money on the site expecting to double it or whatever.
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : It was nice to rail you last night you had a great tournament in the main wd for that. As for the fun side of course too many people expect to make money from this game IMO people forget that this is a hobby and a game and i find that people that moan about losing to different hands and getting knocked out of tournaments are playing way above their bankroll. I play this brilliant game with the mentality that i don't play with scared money and if i draw even or win then great i got paid for my entertainment if i lose then so be it iv'e had my fun. I just wish more players would have this mentality and stop depositing money on the site expecting to double it or whatever. Thanks again Anthony Posted by Buster69
A thoroughly pleasing attitude.
I confess, the tendancy for forums to be used for moaning & groaning is getting a little too much to bear for me. I'm not a young man, & my life is being soaked up by reading, listening, or replying to folks who struggle to cope when the wind is in their face. We all have our own struggles in life, & I have nothing but respect those who can handle them.
But I've decided to cut down - considerably - the amount of time I spend on poker forums, as my time is ebbing away, & I have other things to do. I've not yet decided exactly, but I think I will allocate 1 hour per day, maximum, in future. Bear in mind that for every hour I spend on the Forum, I spend 3 hours answering PM's.
Anyway, have a good weekend. I'm doing the Live Show tonight with LML (I think), & then drive home straight after, & maybe play a little Live Poker in Nottingham tomorrow. On Monday, rinse repeat, another week, another fresh set of challenges. Life is pretty good when the glass is half-full, but my glass keep overflowing!
In Response to Re: Ask Tikay? : A thoroughly pleasing attitude. I confess, the tendancy for forums to be used for moaning & groaning is getting a little too much to bear for me. I'm not a young man, & my life is being soaked up by reading, listening, or replying to folks who struggle to cope when the wind is in their face. We all have our own struggles in life, & I have nothing but respect those who can handle them. But I've decided to cut down - considerably - the amount of time I spend on poker forums, as my time is ebbing away, & I have other things to do. I've not yet decided exactly, but I think I will allocate 1 hour per day, maximum, in future. Bear in mind that for every hour I spend on the Forum, I spend 3 hours answering PM's. Anyway, have a good weekend. I'm doing the Live Show tonight with LML (I think), & then drive home straight after, & maybe play a little Live Poker in Nottingham tomorrow. On Monday, rinse repeat, another week, another fresh set of challenges. Life is pretty good when the glass is half-full, but my glass keep overflowing! Posted by Tikay10
Well gl with any poker you play unfortunately my bankroll is looking rather small waiting for payday then i will have another bash at it lol went through a bad streak where nothing i did would work but hey these things happen ill just pick myself up and try again :-)
Contray to ur opening gambit , No I haven't already made my mind up
Clearly I've struggle'd to get my point across at the start of this post.
Let my try 1 last time
I have stated in both posts above that
1) I do not think the site is rigged 2) Of course it's a good think to play against players that are "less structured"
My point is that the structure of the site tends to encourage loose play which inherently develops players of less structure as Buster so elequently puts it.As you may agree, players of less structure dont tend to win tourny's but can still go a long way re luck and misguided play.This being the case these players will have several victims along the way. I've been monitored my skill/luck(delete as appropriate) or lack of it over the last year and unfortunately for me I have been the victim time and time again to these type of players who will then go on play the same way through the tourny and proceed to lose to a more skillful/lucky(delete as appropriate) player in the later stages.
We all know it's a game of skill and luck but for every lucky player there will be an unlucky player, and I'm starting to lose the light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps If I keep playin the same way I'll post again in a year and tell you how great it is playing players of "less structure", until that point I defend my democratic right to question when logical answers seem not to apply.
Speaking of Democracy, DOH and Buster
Although I did not ask for your for your input on my point I do welcome your feedback, a courtesy you seem not to afford "PEOPLE LIKE ME" "CERTAIN PLAYERS"
you are both quite happy and willing to fight the cause of faceless players yet you both seem unhappy that I can have a differing opinion from you, hardly seems democratic now does it
to use the quote from the great man himself
"All you can do is get ur money in with the best of it"
Hi Mr Tikay Contray to ur opening gambit , No I haven't already made my mind up Clearly I've struggle'd to get my point across at the start of this post. Let my try 1 last time I have stated in both posts above that 1) I do not think the site is rigged 2) Of course it's a good think to play against players that are "less structured" My point is that the structure of the site tends to encourage loose play which inherently develops players of less structure as Buster so elequently puts it.As you may agree, players of less structure dont tend to win tourny's but can still go a long way re luck and misguided play.This being the case these players will have several victims along the way. I've been monitored my skill/luck(delete as appropriate) or lack of it over the last year and unfortunately for me I have been the victim time and time again to these type of players who will then go on play the same way through the tourny and proceed to lose to a more skillful/lucky(delete as appropriate) player in the later stages. We all know it's a game of skill and luck but for every lucky player there will be an unlucky player, and I'm starting to lose the light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps If I keep playin the same way I'll post again in a year and tell you how great it is playing players of "less structure", until that point I defend my democratic right to question when logical answers seem not to apply. Speaking of Democracy, DOH and Buster Although I did not ask for your for your input on my point I do welcome your feedback, a courtesy you seem not to afford "PEOPLE LIKE ME" "CERTAIN PLAYERS" you are both quite happy and willing to fight the cause of faceless players yet you both seem unhappy that I can have a differing opinion from you, hardly seems democratic now does it to use the quote from the great man himself "All you can do is get ur money in with the best of it" Always a pleasure Regards Alex Posted by ACA
I never said you could not have a differing opinion,I just don't think that you criticising lesser players than yourself or moaning about the site structure is right on the forum.
The site does have alot of fast paced tournaments but quite simply if you do not like them don't play them and stick to the deepies or the regular 10 minute blind tourney's and then the problem is solved simple
Excellent post sir if i do say so myself, I agree with DOHHHH here i am also sick of certain players using the community to have a dig at the less structured players on this site. IMO all players have the right to call with whatever hand they want they pay the money and play how they want to, Of course i don't agree that this is a good strategy but...... i want these kind of players on my table because these players are the ones that i want to get my money or chips in against if they beat me with a junk hand against my AA then so be it. Too many people abuse the community IMO the community is here for people to have a chat a laugh and try and improve their own game maybe if more people concentrated on their own game instead of other's we would not be having this conversation. Thanks Anthony Posted by Buster69
Hi Mr Tikay Contray to ur opening gambit , No I haven't already made my mind up Clearly I've struggle'd to get my point across at the start of this post. Let my try 1 last time I have stated in both posts above that 1) I do not think the site is rigged 2) Of course it's a good think to play against players that are "less structured" My point is that the structure of the site tends to encourage loose play which inherently develops players of less structure as Buster so elequently puts it.As you may agree, players of less structure dont tend to win tourny's but can still go a long way re luck and misguided play.This being the case these players will have several victims along the way. I've been monitored my skill/luck(delete as appropriate) or lack of it over the last year and unfortunately for me I have been the victim time and time again to these type of players who will then go on play the same way through the tourny and proceed to lose to a more skillful/lucky(delete as appropriate) player in the later stages. We all know it's a game of skill and luck but for every lucky player there will be an unlucky player, and I'm starting to lose the light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps If I keep playin the same way I'll post again in a year and tell you how great it is playing players of "less structure", until that point I defend my democratic right to question when logical answers seem not to apply. Speaking of Democracy, DOH and Buster Although I did not ask for your for your input on my point I do welcome your feedback, a courtesy you seem not to afford "PEOPLE LIKE ME" "CERTAIN PLAYERS" you are both quite happy and willing to fight the cause of faceless players yet you both seem unhappy that I can have a differing opinion from you, hardly seems democratic now does it to use the quote from the great man himself "All you can do is get ur money in with the best of it" Always a pleasure Regards Alex Posted by ACA
Thank you Alex, & I apologise if I misjudged whether you had pre-determined your position. I cannot apologise with regard to you defending your democratic right to Post questions, as I never questioned it.
I think the crux of your question is aimed at the sort of Tournament that is the staple diet here at Sky Poker. "Fast & furious" some might say. The problem with that stance is that whilst you & I may prefer something a little more sedate & pedestrian, hitherto the greatest demand on this Site is for the faster stuff, & we cannot argue with that, the facts show it quite clearly - witness the field sizes for the nightly Main Event. So the "business" has a need to satisfy that demand, & it would be utterly crazy not to.
But many of us - an increasing number I believe - are pressing for a better balance of Tourneys. The Monday night £22 Deepie is a splendid example - there were hoots & hollers, lobbies & campaigns, to reinstate this (IMO) beautifully structured Event & so it re-appeared a few weeks back to much acclaim. And about 60 players entered. Which is about 10% to 15% of those who enter the nightly Main Event, which starts 30 minutes later. We can't argue with the facts.
But if the demand exists, we CAN change the balance, by introducing more "better-structured" (as you & I may describe them) Tourneys.
To this end, I am working hard to convince the Suits that this would be beneficial to the business. A Tourney which was better structured (to my taste, that is) than any here previously was introduced recently, & I hope to be able to tell you, within the next few days in fact, that it will soon migrate to other nights of the week, perhaps 2 a week, 3 a week, or even nightly. I expect that process to take a little time, but I know this - if the players support it, it will happen. It's as simple as that. We can have ANY Tourney we want, but we do need to work on the demand side of the equation, because right now, the appetite is generally lacking amongst the majority of the player base.
We must remember, too, that we are all different. I just read a Post which mentioned that a Roulette Rebuy Tourney just took place, where 13 players managed 50 rebuys between them. Now, that's utterly beyond my understanding or mindset, but it's each to their own, & why should they be denied their game of choice? Unforgiveably, such players were described on this very Forum last week by one Poster as "stupid", which was, in my view, completely out of order, & showed a total lack of tolerance to the views of others.
In my ideal world, every Tourney would be a slow structured affair, but we are all different.
And if you want to bring "better" players to this Site, well good on you, feel free to enjoin with me in working towards that end by helping to adjust the balance of structures a little more towards the slower-paced stuff. But please remember, many players survive in poker by luck, & they need their diet of Tourneys, too.
The Site is relatively young, & is gradually ticking off the boxes on it's road-map, a daunting task for any site which is not on a Network. Omaha was recently added, then Hi-Lo, then add-ons & rebuys, & there is much, much more to be done, including getting the Tourney scheduled balanced a little better perhaps. What I doubt they will ever achieve is please everyone. Which would be a neat trick in an intolerant & selfish society, it really would.
Finally, I remain perplexed - & I'm not without a modicum of intelligence - by the notion that poker players should complain about playing against allegedly bad, or worse, players. I'm pretty sure I will be comfortably at rest in my grave before I'm able to even begin to unfathom that illogical mystery. But we see it in F1, too, where the faster boys (Hamilton, Button & Co) are now regularly complaining about "the slower cars getting in our way". Really, you could not make that stuff up! The world's gone mad, I tell you.
Mr ACA Sir I spent some time on a table with you last night where you were apparently trying to "make a point" by shoving almost every other hand! I really don't know what "point" you were trying to make but from where I was sitting it seemed that you were blaming Sky for just about everything! When you won, you blamed "Good old Sky" and when you lost it was "typical Sky"
Good hands get beat, bad calls get rewarded, coolers happen, its all part of poker and not something that Sky has dreamt up just to make you lose! If the best hand always won what an intensely boring game it would be! No fun at all!
Now, the reason I have posted a reply to you is because of the tourney that we were playing in. It was a scary bounty hunter! If this is your preferred type of game (or indeed bounty hunters in general) then you actually only have yourself to blame for all the bad beat stories that you have. Bounty hunters are a minefield of people who call loose, take chances and play wild. It's the nature of the game and is not generally the place to find people playing "good poker"! I only play them for a bit of light relief because it is more about luck than judgement!
If you want "proper" poker may I suggest that you play better structured tournaments such as deep stacks or play cash games. And if you have a couple of hours to spare, why don't you get a pack of cards and deal as many hands as you can against a pair of pocket aces and see how often they get beat! I think you may be surprised!
Mr ACA Sir I spent some time on a table with you last night where you were apparently trying to "make a point" by shoving almost every other hand! I really don't know what "point" you were trying to make but from where I was sitting it seemed that you were blaming Sky for just about everything! When you won, you blamed "Good old Sky" and when you lost it was "typical Sky" Good hands get beat, bad calls get rewarded, coolers happen, its all part of poker and not something that Sky has dreamt up just to make you lose! If the best hand always won what an intensely boring game it would be! No fun at all! Now, the reason I have posted a reply to you is because of the tourney that we were playing in. It was a scary bounty hunter ! If this is your preferred type of game (or indeed bounty hunters in general) then you actually only have yourself to blame for all the bad beat stories that you have. Bounty hunters are a minefield of people who call loose, take chances and play wild. It's the nature of the game and is not generally the place to find people playing "good poker"! I only play them for a bit of light relief because it is more about luck than judgement! If you want "proper" poker may I suggest that you play better structured tournaments such as deep stacks or play cash games. And if you have a couple of hours to spare, why don't you get a pack of cards and deal as many hands as you can against a pair of pocket aces and see how often they get beat! I think you may be surprised! Good luck on the tables Chris Posted by DiggerMan
Good grief! Surely not?I just spent an hour debating "better-structured Tourneys"!
This hopefully will be one of your easiest questions to answer today but then again, maybe not.
Last friday on the T-O-T thread you ran a competition (which was extra to the original one) where you asked for people to guess what time the tournament would finish.
I correctly guessed the finish time to the minute but did not receive the said prize of free entry to last night's T-O-T event. Could you please explain why?
Dear Tikay, This hopefully will be one of your easiest questions to answer today but then again, maybe not. Last friday on the T-O-T thread you ran a competition (which was extra to the original one) where you asked for people to guess what time the tournament would finish. I correctly guessed the finish time to the minute but did not receive the said prize of free entry to last night's T-O-T event. Could you please explain why? Regards Alan Posted by MAXALLY
Sorry Alan, I was not aware of that, & my contemporaneous records, which I printed off on the night, must have been in error, as I had thought, wrongly it would appear, you had been slightly out in your original estimate. I'll ensure you are awarded your rightful Free Entry.
I went through all the validated Free Entries & had them successfully entered on Thursday, or thought I had.
Now I can understand several of your recent cryptic Posts!
Mr ACA Sir I spent some time on a table with you last night where you were apparently trying to "make a point" by shoving almost every other hand! I really don't know what "point" you were trying to make but from where I was sitting it seemed that you were blaming Sky for just about everything! When you won, you blamed "Good old Sky" and when you lost it was "typical Sky" Good hands get beat, bad calls get rewarded, coolers happen, its all part of poker and not something that Sky has dreamt up just to make you lose! If the best hand always won what an intensely boring game it would be! No fun at all! Now, the reason I have posted a reply to you is because of the tourney that we were playing in. It was a scary bounty hunter ! If this is your preferred type of game (or indeed bounty hunters in general) then you actually only have yourself to blame for all the bad beat stories that you have. Bounty hunters are a minefield of people who call loose, take chances and play wild. It's the nature of the game and is not generally the place to find people playing "good poker"! I only play them for a bit of light relief because it is more about luck than judgement! If you want "proper" poker may I suggest that you play better structured tournaments such as deep stacks or play cash games. And if you have a couple of hours to spare, why don't you get a pack of cards and deal as many hands as you can against a pair of pocket aces and see how often they get beat! I think you may be surprised! Good luck on the tables Chris Posted by DiggerMan
Hi Diggerman
I am absolutely delighted you posted this, after my original post I went back to the tables to make a point. I decided on a suicide shuv anything that resembled 2 cards as an experiment. My play was unstructured without thought of pos, pot size and without regard for raises or otherwise, I took around 7 heads most of which were lucky and finished 3rd or 4th. This was to highlight how bad play can and usual is rewarded.
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I confess, the tendancy for forums to be used for moaning & groaning is getting a little too much to bear for me. I'm not a young man, & my life is being soaked up by reading, listening, or replying to folks who struggle to cope when the wind is in their face. We all have our own struggles in life, & I have nothing but respect those who can handle them.
But I've decided to cut down - considerably - the amount of time I spend on poker forums, as my time is ebbing away, & I have other things to do. I've not yet decided exactly, but I think I will allocate 1 hour per day, maximum, in future. Bear in mind that for every hour I spend on the Forum, I spend 3 hours answering PM's.
Anyway, have a good weekend. I'm doing the Live Show tonight with LML (I think), & then drive home straight after, & maybe play a little Live Poker in Nottingham tomorrow. On Monday, rinse repeat, another week, another fresh set of challenges. Life is pretty good when the glass is half-full, but my glass keep overflowing!
Contray to ur opening gambit , No I haven't already made my mind up
Clearly I've struggle'd to get my point across at the start of this post.
Let my try 1 last time
I have stated in both posts above that
1) I do not think the site is rigged
2) Of course it's a good think to play against players that are "less structured"
My point is that the structure of the site tends to encourage loose play which inherently develops players of less structure as Buster so elequently puts it.As you may agree, players of less structure dont tend to win tourny's but can still go a long way re luck and misguided play.This being the case these players will have several victims along the way.
I've been monitored my skill/luck(delete as appropriate) or lack of it over the last year and unfortunately for me I have been the victim time and time again to these type of players who will then go on play the same way through the tourny and proceed to lose to a more skillful/lucky(delete as appropriate) player in the later stages.
We all know it's a game of skill and luck but for every lucky player there will be an unlucky player, and I'm starting to lose the light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps If I keep playin the same way I'll post again in a year and tell you how great it is playing players of "less structure", until that point I defend my democratic right to question when logical answers seem not to apply.
Speaking of Democracy, DOH and Buster
Although I did not ask for your for your input on my point I do welcome your feedback, a courtesy you seem not to afford "PEOPLE LIKE ME" "CERTAIN PLAYERS"
you are both quite happy and willing to fight the cause of faceless players yet you both seem unhappy that I can have a differing opinion from you, hardly seems democratic now does it
to use the quote from the great man himself
"All you can do is get ur money in with the best of it"
Always a pleasure
Regards
Alex
im a regular super sixer
but cant find password this time
regards
Other search engines are available lol
I think the crux of your question is aimed at the sort of Tournament that is the staple diet here at Sky Poker. "Fast & furious" some might say. The problem with that stance is that whilst you & I may prefer something a little more sedate & pedestrian, hitherto the greatest demand on this Site is for the faster stuff, & we cannot argue with that, the facts show it quite clearly - witness the field sizes for the nightly Main Event. So the "business" has a need to satisfy that demand, & it would be utterly crazy not to.
But many of us - an increasing number I believe - are pressing for a better balance of Tourneys. The Monday night £22 Deepie is a splendid example - there were hoots & hollers, lobbies & campaigns, to reinstate this (IMO) beautifully structured Event & so it re-appeared a few weeks back to much acclaim. And about 60 players entered. Which is about 10% to 15% of those who enter the nightly Main Event, which starts 30 minutes later. We can't argue with the facts.
But if the demand exists, we CAN change the balance, by introducing more "better-structured" (as you & I may describe them) Tourneys.
To this end, I am working hard to convince the Suits that this would be beneficial to the business. A Tourney which was better structured (to my taste, that is) than any here previously was introduced recently, & I hope to be able to tell you, within the next few days in fact, that it will soon migrate to other nights of the week, perhaps 2 a week, 3 a week, or even nightly. I expect that process to take a little time, but I know this - if the players support it, it will happen. It's as simple as that. We can have ANY Tourney we want, but we do need to work on the demand side of the equation, because right now, the appetite is generally lacking amongst the majority of the player base.
We must remember, too, that we are all different. I just read a Post which mentioned that a Roulette Rebuy Tourney just took place, where 13 players managed 50 rebuys between them. Now, that's utterly beyond my understanding or mindset, but it's each to their own, & why should they be denied their game of choice? Unforgiveably, such players were described on this very Forum last week by one Poster as "stupid", which was, in my view, completely out of order, & showed a total lack of tolerance to the views of others.
In my ideal world, every Tourney would be a slow structured affair, but we are all different.
And if you want to bring "better" players to this Site, well good on you, feel free to enjoin with me in working towards that end by helping to adjust the balance of structures a little more towards the slower-paced stuff. But please remember, many players survive in poker by luck, & they need their diet of Tourneys, too.
The Site is relatively young, & is gradually ticking off the boxes on it's road-map, a daunting task for any site which is not on a Network. Omaha was recently added, then Hi-Lo, then add-ons & rebuys, & there is much, much more to be done, including getting the Tourney scheduled balanced a little better perhaps. What I doubt they will ever achieve is please everyone. Which would be a neat trick in an intolerant & selfish society, it really would.
Finally, I remain perplexed - & I'm not without a modicum of intelligence - by the notion that poker players should complain about playing against allegedly bad, or worse, players. I'm pretty sure I will be comfortably at rest in my grave before I'm able to even begin to unfathom that illogical mystery. But we see it in F1, too, where the faster boys (Hamilton, Button & Co) are now regularly complaining about "the slower cars getting in our way". Really, you could not make that stuff up! The world's gone mad, I tell you.
I spent some time on a table with you last night where you were apparently trying to "make a point" by shoving almost every other hand! I really don't know what "point" you were trying to make but from where I was sitting it seemed that you were blaming Sky for just about everything! When you won, you blamed "Good old Sky" and when you lost it was "typical Sky"
Good hands get beat, bad calls get rewarded, coolers happen, its all part of poker and not something that Sky has dreamt up just to make you lose! If the best hand always won what an intensely boring game it would be! No fun at all!
Now, the reason I have posted a reply to you is because of the tourney that we were playing in. It was a scary bounty hunter! If this is your preferred type of game (or indeed bounty hunters in general) then you actually only have yourself to blame for all the bad beat stories that you have. Bounty hunters are a minefield of people who call loose, take chances and play wild. It's the nature of the game and is not generally the place to find people playing "good poker"! I only play them for a bit of light relief because it is more about luck than judgement!
If you want "proper" poker may I suggest that you play better structured tournaments such as deep stacks or play cash games. And if you have a couple of hours to spare, why don't you get a pack of cards and deal as many hands as you can against a pair of pocket aces and see how often they get beat! I think you may be surprised!
Good luck on the tables
Chris
I think I just got well & truly levelled!
Dear Tikay,
This hopefully will be one of your easiest questions to answer today but then again, maybe not.
Last friday on the T-O-T thread you ran a competition (which was extra to the original one) where you asked for people to guess what time the tournament would finish.
I correctly guessed the finish time to the minute but did not receive the said prize of free entry to last night's T-O-T event. Could you please explain why?
Regards
Alan
I went through all the validated Free Entries & had them successfully entered on Thursday, or thought I had.
Now I can understand several of your recent cryptic Posts!
Hi Diggerman
I am absolutely delighted you posted this, after my original post I went back to the tables to make a point. I decided on a suicide shuv anything that resembled 2 cards as an experiment.
My play was unstructured without thought of pos, pot size and without regard for raises or otherwise, I took around 7 heads most of which were lucky and finished 3rd or 4th. This was to highlight how bad play can and usual is rewarded.
Many thanks for highlighting
Regards
Alex