In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : You can't mid-cash-session, they don't add to your account page until you stand. Hopefully this "widget" will update ALL points in real time?? Posted by Poker_Fail
Have you bypassed my point completely how is it more important then ANTES? generally most regular players have an idea how much points there making based on what their playing.
Don't need antes when the tourneys are structered correctly as most now are.
What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider.
Don't need antes when the tourneys are structered correctly as most now are. What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider. Posted by SoLack
Ahh, now I see, sorry Paul.
I don't actually know, but I'll find out for you.
I'll try & find out this morning, if not, I will let you know tomorrow, in Brighton.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : You can't mid-cash-session, they don't add to your account page until you stand. Hopefully this "widget" will update ALL points in real time?? Posted by Poker_Fail
Mr Teeks, thats a nice swerve, as you havent really given me any idea I have seen a picture of the new widget, looks good but i dont see how that can be classed more important than antes and i dont think any serious player would say it is. The thing is you can get your C4P up easy enough, so surely ANTES are going to be higher priority, it looks good but as i say its not nevessarily more important then some of the other changes. Or is it being dealt with based on how easy it is to do? Regards John Posted by YOUNG_GUN
It was not a swerve John, I answered truthfully - they will take their rightful place on the list of priorities.
There is no correlation between them, & the points widget, as the latter has now completed development, so is a done deal.
The majority - vast majority - of Tourneys on Sky Poker do not need, & will never get, antes. Last night's Bounty Hunter Main - & Bounty Hunters are exceedingly popular here - lost 60% of the field in Hour One. Antes are not needed, & would make it totally unplayable.
Most Sky Poker tourneys are 6 max, too, so hardly need more "action" than they already get.
Antes WILL come in due course, but they will only apply to Deepstacks, & Tourneys such as "Sky Roller". There are far less of these than, say, BH's, & they rarely attract 10% of the field size of BH's.
So, do the maths. Tourneys are only x% of the site traffic overall, & suitable Tourneys for Antes are way less than 1% of that.
Which is why I referred to priorities.
If you wish to discuss further, can we either do it at Brighton tomorrow*, or via PM, please, as we don't want this very important thread to get hung up on this issue.
Thanks.
* Brighton. Thanks for your Text about it yesterday, but please bear in mind that all seats are now sold, so you would need to arrive sharpish & get on the Alternates List.
Don't need antes when the tourneys are structered correctly as most now are. What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider. Posted by SoLack
a massive +1 to this mate. Make my life so much easier on this other site to have 3 buttons which cover 3 different stages of the tourny for me.
Don't need antes when the tourneys are structered correctly as most now are. What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider. Posted by SoLack
OK, have spoken to Adam, & he tells me this IS in the "desired functionality" List.
1) It will NOT be done on the current Flash-based tables.
2) It is on the list for the new Tables (mid-year) on the new client, though they will launch the basic table first, then stuff like this will be added.
Great thread Tony. This maybe off topic (but it is to do with software limitations) it is in regards to PLO being unable to be converted onto the screens due to the technical issues you have discussed before on the show. As you have you own channel but are unable to showcase a major part of the site and a fantastic game has anyone thought of having something similar to the UK cash game and showcasing this amazingly fun game exposing it more to your audience and customers? All the hours your channel is on it would seem negligent (maybe the wrong word) not to exhibit PLO even if it's a live game. Not a moan just a possible solution to wasted potential.
In Response to Re:The majority - vast majority - of Tourneys on Sky Poker do not need, & will never get, antes. Last night's Bounty Hunter Main - & Bounty Hunters are exceedingly popular here - lost 60% of the field in Hour One. Antes are not needed, & would make it totally unplayable. Posted by Tikay10
Sorry YG and other people who want antes, but i for one agree with tikay 100% on this one!! esp if the tourney formats stay the same, adding antes to them would make them unplayable; as tikay said. TBF antes do make blind stealing more rewarding (and can give you a huge edge in tourneys i suppose) but on a smaller site like sky with small fields there's no need for them, maybe they could Trial Deep stacked ante tourneys?...i don't know but IMO leave the current tourneys as they are .
Very informative thread. Rarely do you get told things like this on sites, mucho congrats and thanks for answering a lot of questions by everyone. You're a credit to Sky Poker, Sir.
Regards my comments on the lag I'll leave it alone now and think I'm going to have to buy a brand new laptop and see if that sorts if out for me as nothing else at all seems to make any difference
Thanks again. Look forward to the changes and new non-flash version
Great thread Tony. This maybe off topic (but it is to do with software limitations) it is in regards to PLO being unable to be converted onto the screens due to the technical issues you have discussed before on the show. As you have you own channel but are unable to showcase a major part of the site and a fantastic game has anyone thought of having something similar to the UK cash game and showcasing this amazingly fun game exposing it more to your audience and customers? All the hours your channel is on it would seem negligent (maybe the wrong word) not to exhibit PLO even if it's a live game. Not a moan just a possible solution to wasted potential. Regards Mary Posted by Archangel
Good morning Mary, & thank you for a solid, constructive, Post, with some good ideas.
When I had a proper job - I was running some companies at the time - I had to report to my Chairman. If I ever complained about something, without offering a suggestion as to how to solve the problem, he would tell me he did not employ me to tell me what was wrong - he employed me to tell him what needed doing to solve the problem. In other words, don't bring me problems, bring me solutions. I loved that man's mind more than I can ever say. Simple, but genius. So, when I see moans, but with no sensible suggestion attached, I pretty much ignore. If they come with a sensible proposal to solve the problem, different matter entirely.
So, onto your Omaha suggestion.
First up, if you did not already know, Omaha is, far & away, my favoured poker format. If I could play one poker format every day for the rest of of my life, it would be Pot Limit Omaha, or PL O8, without a shadow of doubt.
But this is the thing - when you, or I, or others, say "I would prefer this that or the other", it's a bit subjective, because we might be in a minority - & in this case, we definitely are! - so we need to remember that just because you or I like, or dislike, something, does not mean that everyone else shares the view. (Think Bounty Hunters, which so many complain about, but which attract more players than any other format on Sky Poker!).
So, should Sky Poker, & Channel 865, devote time, staff resource, & money, to developing software which enables us to show, & promote, Omaha? Well yes, if we can, & in fact they ARE looking at it right now. Whether it ever reaches the screen remains to be, (pardon the pun), seen.
Now, here's the rub. The poker world over, Live & Online, Omaha is enjoyed by - & give me a few % leeway either way -about 5% of the poker playing population. 5%, one in 20. Turn that upside down, do the Warren Buffett thing, think "obverse", it means that 95% of the players, that is 19 out of every 20 - prefer NLH. That's about it. No matter how hard anyone tries to promote Omaha, it has NOT got mass appeal, & I'm afraid, because it requires much deeper thought, in a world where society prefers easy decisions.
Sky Poker COULD devote, say, 25% of it's promotional efforts to Omaha, as could Channel 865. But that means the 95% of the players who are happy with NLH are being starved of their preference. And that has consequences which are bad for the players, & for the site. See the problem?
We'd need to be pretty brave to devote much promo time to Omaha, because, sadly, it will always be a game enjoyed by the minority, no matter how much we try to promote it. So we would be wasting valuable time, resource, & money. Awkward, eh?
The UK Cash Game? Same problem. We are well on with planning for the next one, but it will be NLH, not Omaha - because we want to attract eyeballs, viewers, & people - & 95% of them want to watch NLH, not Omaha. Sad (for you & me) but true.
So, I've not been very helpful, but that's how it is.
Tell you what - if you fancy some Omaha, or Omaha Hi-Low, one night, I'll join you for an hour or two, at whatever stakes you fancy. Don't worry if you prefer to keep the stakes low, that's fine, we'll just have some fun for a while.
Or, here's an idea - you could start an "Omaha Club" Thread on the Community, to rev up interest. I would support that, & if you get a bunch of Omaha players together, I'll get Sky Poker to chuck in a few Omaha Tourney Entries. What you reckon?
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : Sorry YG and other people who want antes, but i for one agree with tikay 100% on this one!! esp if the tourney formats stay the same, adding antes to them would make them unplayable; as tikay said. TBF antes do make blind stealing more rewarding (and can give you a huge edge in tourneys i suppose) but on a smaller site like sky with small fields there's no need for them, maybe they could Trial Deep stacked ante tourneys?...i don't know but IMO leave the current tourneys as they are . Posted by WHOAMI196
Agreed.
For the avoidance of doubt, I LOVE playing tourneys with Antes, but there is a huge disconnent in some people's thinking here. They would be grossly wrong, & unsuited, for the vast majority of Tourneys on Sky Poker. At a guess, I doubt if more than 1% of the Tourneys would be suitable. In due course, Antes will be offered in those Tourneys, but given that they would be suitable for such a small % of the Tournaments here, I don't imagine they are high on the Priority List.
It is unthinkable to have Antes in, for example, Bounty Hunters, PRIMO, etc, the structure of these Tourneys is just completely unsuitable for antes. For Sky Rollers & the like, yes, great idea.
A regular BH Main Event attracts 500 players, a regular Roller attracts 50 players......
Tournament traffic on Sky Poker is around 30% higher year on year, which suggests Sky Poker have probably struck the right balance with the Tourney Structures.
Very informative thread. Rarely do you get told things like this on sites, mucho congrats and thanks for answering a lot of questions by everyone. You're a credit to Sky Poker, Sir. Regards my comments on the lag I'll leave it alone now and think I'm going to have to buy a brand new laptop and see if that sorts if out for me as nothing else at all seems to make any difference Thanks again. Look forward to the changes and new non-flash version Posted by Die_hard
Thank you, Mr Hard, I much appreciate your comments.
We do try, very hard, to engage with our Community as much as we are able, & try never to swerve any questions, though personally, I try never to reply to rude, sarcastic, SHOUTY, or "sort it out Sky" type Posts. Such Posts say more about the authors than the site.
Hi Tikay, some excellent improvements in there, wd all. I would just like to ask if there will be any improvements made to Account history. For example, would it be possible to go in to hand histories and isolate 1 specific mtt or cash table as it can be a bit of a pain in the wotsit trying to find a particular hand or series of hands due to having to trawl through all the mtts or cash games played . Also will it be possible to go in to a heading that splits individual mtts, cash tables etc so that number of hands played in that particular session can be more readily available. I know that this facility is available on other sites and can be very useful, especially for the players who have set themselves BR and C4P Challenges. Just a thought. Posted by pomfrittes
Morning Pommy.
I'm afraid my answer would be "I don't know". But I'll try & find out for you.
It's very rare that I would read two pages of a thread, usually because people move the debate on so quickly that previous pages are mostly outdated by later replies. I did however read all of this thread and have enjoyed seeing all the opinions and suggestions. I think the posts from Tikay have been great and he really knows how to answer a question whilst NOT making you feel stupid for having asked it. I am looking forward to the new software and I am sure Sky Poker will do everything to make it a success. Glad the antes thing was fully explained as that was my main worry about the new stuff. I agree 100% that a lot of tourneys couldn't cope with antes and was glad to hear that other things will be higher on the priority list. Best wishes. Shaun the Villa fan in Bham
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What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider.
I don't actually know, but I'll find out for you.
I'll try & find out this morning, if not, I will let you know tomorrow, in Brighton.
There is no correlation between them, & the points widget, as the latter has now completed development, so is a done deal.
The majority - vast majority - of Tourneys on Sky Poker do not need, & will never get, antes. Last night's Bounty Hunter Main - & Bounty Hunters are exceedingly popular here - lost 60% of the field in Hour One. Antes are not needed, & would make it totally unplayable.
Most Sky Poker tourneys are 6 max, too, so hardly need more "action" than they already get.
Antes WILL come in due course, but they will only apply to Deepstacks, & Tourneys such as "Sky Roller". There are far less of these than, say, BH's, & they rarely attract 10% of the field size of BH's.
So, do the maths. Tourneys are only x% of the site traffic overall, & suitable Tourneys for Antes are way less than 1% of that.
Which is why I referred to priorities.
If you wish to discuss further, can we either do it at Brighton tomorrow*, or via PM, please, as we don't want this very important thread to get hung up on this issue.
Thanks.
* Brighton. Thanks for your Text about it yesterday, but please bear in mind that all seats are now sold, so you would need to arrive sharpish & get on the Alternates List.
+1 for the personalised pre set bet buttons, cash and mtt's please.
1) It will NOT be done on the current Flash-based tables.
2) It is on the list for the new Tables (mid-year) on the new client, though they will launch the basic table first, then stuff like this will be added.
Regards my comments on the lag I'll leave it alone now and think I'm going to have to buy a brand new laptop and see if that sorts if out for me as nothing else at all seems to make any difference
Thanks again. Look forward to the changes and new non-flash version
Hi Tikay, some excellent improvements in there, wd all.
I would just like to ask if there will be any improvements made to Account history. For example,
would it be possible to go in to hand histories and isolate 1 specific mtt or cash table as it can be a bit
of a pain in the wotsit trying to find a particular hand or series of hands due to having to trawl through all
the mtts or cash games played .
Also will it be possible to go in to a heading that splits individual mtts, cash tables etc so that number of
hands played in that particular session can be more readily available. I know that this facility is available
on other sites and can be very useful, especially for the players who have set themselves BR and C4P
Challenges.
Just a thought.
When I had a proper job - I was running some companies at the time - I had to report to my Chairman. If I ever complained about something, without offering a suggestion as to how to solve the problem, he would tell me he did not employ me to tell me what was wrong - he employed me to tell him what needed doing to solve the problem. In other words, don't bring me problems, bring me solutions. I loved that man's mind more than I can ever say. Simple, but genius. So, when I see moans, but with no sensible suggestion attached, I pretty much ignore. If they come with a sensible proposal to solve the problem, different matter entirely.
So, onto your Omaha suggestion.
First up, if you did not already know, Omaha is, far & away, my favoured poker format. If I could play one poker format every day for the rest of of my life, it would be Pot Limit Omaha, or PL O8, without a shadow of doubt.
But this is the thing - when you, or I, or others, say "I would prefer this that or the other", it's a bit subjective, because we might be in a minority - & in this case, we definitely are! - so we need to remember that just because you or I like, or dislike, something, does not mean that everyone else shares the view. (Think Bounty Hunters, which so many complain about, but which attract more players than any other format on Sky Poker!).
So, should Sky Poker, & Channel 865, devote time, staff resource, & money, to developing software which enables us to show, & promote, Omaha? Well yes, if we can, & in fact they ARE looking at it right now. Whether it ever reaches the screen remains to be, (pardon the pun), seen.
Now, here's the rub. The poker world over, Live & Online, Omaha is enjoyed by - & give me a few % leeway either way -about 5% of the poker playing population. 5%, one in 20. Turn that upside down, do the Warren Buffett thing, think "obverse", it means that 95% of the players, that is 19 out of every 20 - prefer NLH. That's about it. No matter how hard anyone tries to promote Omaha, it has NOT got mass appeal, & I'm afraid, because it requires much deeper thought, in a world where society prefers easy decisions.
Sky Poker COULD devote, say, 25% of it's promotional efforts to Omaha, as could Channel 865. But that means the 95% of the players who are happy with NLH are being starved of their preference. And that has consequences which are bad for the players, & for the site. See the problem?
We'd need to be pretty brave to devote much promo time to Omaha, because, sadly, it will always be a game enjoyed by the minority, no matter how much we try to promote it. So we would be wasting valuable time, resource, & money. Awkward, eh?
The UK Cash Game? Same problem. We are well on with planning for the next one, but it will be NLH, not Omaha - because we want to attract eyeballs, viewers, & people - & 95% of them want to watch NLH, not Omaha. Sad (for you & me) but true.
So, I've not been very helpful, but that's how it is.
Tell you what - if you fancy some Omaha, or Omaha Hi-Low, one night, I'll join you for an hour or two, at whatever stakes you fancy. Don't worry if you prefer to keep the stakes low, that's fine, we'll just have some fun for a while.
Or, here's an idea - you could start an "Omaha Club" Thread on the Community, to rev up interest. I would support that, & if you get a bunch of Omaha players together, I'll get Sky Poker to chuck in a few Omaha Tourney Entries. What you reckon?
For the avoidance of doubt, I LOVE playing tourneys with Antes, but there is a huge disconnent in some people's thinking here. They would be grossly wrong, & unsuited, for the vast majority of Tourneys on Sky Poker. At a guess, I doubt if more than 1% of the Tourneys would be suitable. In due course, Antes will be offered in those Tourneys, but given that they would be suitable for such a small % of the Tournaments here, I don't imagine they are high on the Priority List.
It is unthinkable to have Antes in, for example, Bounty Hunters, PRIMO, etc, the structure of these Tourneys is just completely unsuitable for antes. For Sky Rollers & the like, yes, great idea.
A regular BH Main Event attracts 500 players, a regular Roller attracts 50 players......
Tournament traffic on Sky Poker is around 30% higher year on year, which suggests Sky Poker have probably struck the right balance with the Tourney Structures.
We do try, very hard, to engage with our Community as much as we are able, & try never to swerve any questions, though personally, I try never to reply to rude, sarcastic, SHOUTY, or "sort it out Sky" type Posts. Such Posts say more about the authors than the site.
I'm afraid my answer would be "I don't know". But I'll try & find out for you.