In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : I may be wrong but I haven't seen Doh once suggest that the antes should come in at the start of a tourney. Obviously they'll normally be a proportion of the SB/BB so the level to bring them in might be 100/200 and a running 25 ante. This would speed up tourneys and you're always gonna get some people for and some against. Why not just take one of the regular tourneys (not a televised one cos it would be awkward), exactly same structure (and same kickoff time) as normal but one has antes, one doesn't, publicise it well on the forum so people know the options and let people vote with their feet. Halve the guarantees if needbe for that one night so you aint guaranteeing any more than normal. P.S. I don't see how it is at all relevant whether you're a winning player on any sites, live or online, it should have no impact on a player of the game having an opinion. Posted by Lambert180
i am not against antes , lambert, i think skys sructure is good and really doent need much tweeking..
i personally think the thursday night bh has a bad structure.. but that might only be me..
antes can be a good thing..
i have played in tournys where the ante comes in at 100bb, then again played in some where it doesnt come in until 500bb..
i play on another well known site in their tournys daily during the day and even with antes they last 6 hours and more
I agree that some of the main events don't need antes... However the Wednesday double stack, the Friday night rebuy and the Primo can all accommodate them very easily. Posted by scotty77
Yes!
ME tonight is rubbish structure anyway so would be silly to put antes in that, a bit of common sense obv some will need it and some wont. alot of 50 runner tourneys go on far too long, although better structure it could do with antes after 100/200, maybe add another few levels but with antes in between.
The ones where u end up with 10bb on FT obv dont need them ones which have 50 + do
You say there isn't the demand for Omaha but surely that is down to dramatic promos.The big deep voice booming - ""You thought NLH live was good. Now see the next level in poker dram. See the greats X,Y,Z in a tense , nail-biting event of the century OMAHA - the game of champions " . Be pro-active not reactive.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : Good morning Mary, & thank you for a solid, constructive, Post, with some good ideas. When I had a proper job - I was running some companies at the time - I had to report to my Chairman. If I ever complained about something, without offering a suggestion as to how to solve the problem, he would tell me he did not employ me to tell me what was wrong - he employed me to tell him what needed doing to solve the problem. In other words, don't bring me problems, bring me solutions. I loved that man's mind more than I can ever say. Simple, but genius. So, when I see moans, but with no sensible suggestion attached, I pretty much ignore. If they come with a sensible proposal to solve the problem, different matter entirely. So, onto your Omaha suggestion. First up, if you did not already know, Omaha is, far & away, my favoured poker format. If I could play one poker format every day for the rest of of my life, it would be Pot Limit Omaha, or PL O8, without a shadow of doubt. But this is the thing - when you, or I, or others, say "I would prefer this that or the other", it's a bit subjective, because we might be in a minority - & in this case, we definitely are! - so we need to remember that just because you or I like, or dislike, something, does not mean that everyone else shares the view. (Think Bounty Hunters, which so many complain about, but which attract more players than any other format on Sky Poker!). So, should Sky Poker, & Channel 865, devote time, staff resource, & money, to developing software which enables us to show, & promote, Omaha? Well yes, if we can, & in fact they ARE looking at it right now. Whether it ever reaches the screen remains to be, (pardon the pun), seen. Now, here's the rub. The poker world over, Live & Online, Omaha is enjoyed by - & give me a few % leeway either way -about 5% of the poker playing population. 5%, one in 20. Turn that upside down, do the Warren Buffett thing, think "obverse", it means that 95% of the players, that is 19 out of every 20 - prefer NLH. That's about it. No matter how hard anyone tries to promote Omaha, it has NOT got mass appeal, & I'm afraid, because it requires much deeper thought, in a world where society prefers easy decisions. Sky Poker COULD devote, say, 25% of it's promotional efforts to Omaha, as could Channel 865. But that means the 95% of the players who are happy with NLH are being starved of their preference. And that has consequences which are bad for the players, & for the site. See the problem? We'd need to be pretty brave to devote much promo time to Omaha, because, sadly, it will always be a game enjoyed by the minority, no matter how much we try to promote it. So we would be wasting valuable time, resource, & money. Awkward, eh? The UK Cash Game? Same problem. We are well on with planning for the next one, but it will be NLH, not Omaha - because we want to attract eyeballs, viewers, & people - & 95% of them want to watch NLH, not Omaha. Sad (for you & me) but true. So, I've not been very helpful, but that's how it is. Tell you what - if you fancy some Omaha, or Omaha Hi-Low, one night, I'll join you for an hour or two, at whatever stakes you fancy. Don't worry if you prefer to keep the stakes low, that's fine, we'll just have some fun for a while. Or, here's an idea - you could start an "Omaha Club" Thread on the Community, to rev up interest. I would support that, & if you get a bunch of Omaha players together, I'll get Sky Poker to chuck in a few Omaha Tourney Entries. What you reckon? Posted by Tikay10
I think the idea of this Thread - to keep everyone appraised of what has happened, is happening, & will happen, with the Site, & the Software, was rather useful myself, not many Online Poker Sites can or would do such as thing.
The thread, however, has become fixated with one tiny detail, & one that will be resolved in due course, antes.
Really guys, the site as a whole, & all the changes being made, is a bit wider than one single, detail, & I had hoped pretty exciting, & interesting, too.
If all you wish to discuss is antes, fine, go ahead, but I'm a bit surprised that antes are the sum total of your interest in a very wide-ranging suject.
I hear you, we hear you, the answers have been given several times in the thread - they WILL come, but are not top of the list of priorities - but I would have thought that the new Client, resizeable tables, auto top up, preferred seating, tiling, & much much more, might have been more useful to discuss.
In a very odd piece of self-linking, the opening 5 or 6 posts on this Thread explained, at some length, a much wider range of discussion topics, perhaps we can get back to that soon? It is HERE
All the improvements are welcome but unless I've missed it my issue isn't addressed. I join a tournament then do something else while I'm waiting - then forget and miss the start. Want Klaxons and sirens to sing out and wake me up please.
You say there isn't the demand for Omaha but surely that is down to dramatic promos.The big deep voice booming - ""You thought NLH live was good. Now see the next level in poker dram. See the greats X,Y,Z in a tense , nail-biting event of the century OMAHA - the game of champions " . Be pro-active not reactive. n Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : Posted by tiercel
If only that were true, but no, that is not the answer.
Omaha will ALWAYS be very much a minority game in poker, be it here, or anywhere else.
If - hypothetically - Omaha is the game of choice for, say, 5% of the poker population, it makes no logic or sense to apportion too much of the promotional resource on it. We cannot ignore the other 95%.
All the improvements are welcome but unless I've missed it my issue isn't addressed. I join a tournament then do something else while I'm waiting - then forget and miss the start. Want Klaxons and sirens to sing out and wake me up please. Posted by tiercel
If I recall corrrectly, it was addressed Sir, though not by me.
really looking forward to the introduction of synchronised breaks in April, especially for the weekly DTD tournament, although i am hopeful to quit smoking sometime this year
and i think the majority of the community appreciate the efforts Adam and all of the Sky team make to listen to the concerns of the players and address the issues, however there will always be polarised opinions and the usual moaners and whingers.
All the improvements are welcome but unless I've missed it my issue isn't addressed. I join a tournament then do something else while I'm waiting - then forget and miss the start. Want Klaxons and sirens to sing out and wake me up please. Posted by tiercel
Obv the other points are good, otherwise i would have said if i was against anything :P
The only reason i am ranting about Antes is because a) this would make a big difference in me playing more tourneys on here b) it was not mentioned with timescales, i appreciate it is going to happen even on a small scale to start with but i dont think anyone has said when like all the other things.
Obv the other points are good, otherwise i would have said if i was against anything :P The only reason i am ranting about Antes is because a) this would make a big difference in me playing more tourneys on here b) it was not mentioned with timescales, i appreciate it is going to happen even on a small scale to start with but i dont think anyone has said when like all the other things. Posted by YOUNG_GUN
Give me break Young_Gun. You play all the time anyway.lol. Why would antes make any difference? Unless antes add time to the 24hrs in a day, you couldn't play much more.lol
What will be the minimum size for the new resizable tables with the new tables (e.g. 200px*150px). Will there be an option to save hand history locally so we can start using tracking software to graph our results? Will titling be more accurate and resize tables to the correct size and overlap correctly if necessary?
I'd suggest it is very unlikely they'll start allowing you to save your handy history locally to avoid the use of tracking software. I think it's a masssive plus that Sky don't allow tracking software and it should be kept this way.
I'd suggest it is very unlikely they'll start allowing you to save your handy history locally to avoid the use of tracking software. I think it's a masssive plus that Sky don't allow tracking software and it should be kept this way. Posted by Lambert180
I think you'll find many people already use tracking software as much as it's "not allowed" on here, despite what you are told!
Hence me currently refusing to play on here the last few days whilst emails have been going back and forth - end outcome - yet another quote from the T&C saying it's "not allowed blah blah".
This isn't the thread to go on about it though (I was just replying to the post).
Bump Just bumped this so people can see what is up and coming ! Although it seems synchronised breaks are already behind schedule. hopefully the other changes are still on track. Posted by 1267
I'm afraid those that insist antes turn tournaments into a 'crapshoot' are mistaken. It's a common misconception.
Antes actually increase the amount of play there is in the later stages of tournaments. And It is to this end that they are designed.
Antes help eliminate short stacks faster during the later stages of tournaments and therefore increase the amount of play between the middle and larger stacks. When there are short stacks on your table it drastically changes the dynamic compared to when the average stacks are larger in relation to the blinds and antes.
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i personally think the thursday night bh has a bad structure.. but that might only be me..
antes can be a good thing..
i have played in tournys where the ante comes in at 100bb, then again played in some where it doesnt come in until 500bb..
i play on another well known site in their tournys daily during the day and even with antes they last 6 hours and more
n Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT":
I think the idea of this Thread - to keep everyone appraised of what has happened, is happening, & will happen, with the Site, & the Software, was rather useful myself, not many Online Poker Sites can or would do such as thing.
The thread, however, has become fixated with one tiny detail, & one that will be resolved in due course, antes.
Really guys, the site as a whole, & all the changes being made, is a bit wider than one single, detail, & I had hoped pretty exciting, & interesting, too.
If all you wish to discuss is antes, fine, go ahead, but I'm a bit surprised that antes are the sum total of your interest in a very wide-ranging suject.
I hear you, we hear you, the answers have been given several times in the thread - they WILL come, but are not top of the list of priorities - but I would have thought that the new Client, resizeable tables, auto top up, preferred seating, tiling, & much much more, might have been more useful to discuss.
In a very odd piece of self-linking, the opening 5 or 6 posts on this Thread explained, at some length, a much wider range of discussion topics, perhaps we can get back to that soon? It is HERE
Omaha will ALWAYS be very much a minority game in poker, be it here, or anywhere else.
If - hypothetically - Omaha is the game of choice for, say, 5% of the poker population, it makes no logic or sense to apportion too much of the promotional resource on it. We cannot ignore the other 95%.
Keep up the good work
Hence me currently refusing to play on here the last few days whilst emails have been going back and forth - end outcome - yet another quote from the T&C saying it's "not allowed blah blah".
This isn't the thread to go on about it though (I was just replying to the post).
Just bumped this so people can see what is up and coming !
Although it seems synchronised breaks are already behind schedule. hopefully the other changes are still on track.