Don't need antes when the tourneys are structered correctly as most now are. What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider. Posted by SoLack
when does the Tourney start when there are no 'antes'? #MTTSNG
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : when does the Tourney start when there are no 'antes'? #MTTSNG +1 to antes imo! btw...im liking this thread, good work Sky-Team Posted by sikas
Thank you, MrSikas Sir,
I hope you are well, & running good.
There seems to be an incredible disconnent in understanding how antes work, & why they are, or are not, used.
I have explained this several times, or tried to.
I think antes are great, & serve a particular purpose in Tourneys where the structure supports them.
However, there are very few Tourneys on Sky Poker where there would be a credible logic for having them - I would estimate that less than 1% (1 in 100) are suitable for Antes.
Antes in the vast majority of existing Tourneys on Sky Poker would render them completely unplayable.
Antes will arrive here in due course, & will be applied to those Tourneys where they serve the function for which they are designed - to rev up the action & reward aggression at the sharp end.
A typical Thursdsay night BH Main Event loses 70% of the field in Hour One. That is plenty quick enough.
One rather rude gentleman, an "ante-lover", who posts on here a lot buy plays all his poker elsewhere, sent me an abusive FB message yesterday about antes on Sky Poker, or the lack of them. He insisted that all decent Tourneys should have Antes in from Level One. Which is odd, because I doubt any tourney, on any site, live or online, anywhere in the world, has had antes at the beginning. Antes do not work like that, ever. I'm not entirely how I can argue with, or reply, to his logic.
Any regular MTT player appreciates antes - but only where appropriate. In due course, antes will be here on Sky Poker, & will be applied to the Tournaments where they would serve a useful function, & add positively to the customer experience.
Those 1% of tournys are the 1% of tournys that people want to play though, with the best players and biggest buyins & prizepools. ie the 8pms, rollers, and the later stages of the vegas things......
How about antes in cash games? Alot of talk about the weighted rakeback thing to reward the action players, as well as the nitty players 'ruining the games', especially in happy hours (not my words)......
Those 1% of tournys are the 1% of tournys that people want to play though, with the best players and biggest buyins & prizepools. ie the 8pms, rollers, and the later stages of the vegas things...... How about antes in cash games? Alot of talk about the weighted rakeback thing to reward the action players, as well as the nitty players 'ruining the games', especially in happy hours (not my words)...... Some cash tables with antes would be fun! Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Running a successful poker site is not, I'm sorry to say, all about what you describe as "the best players", it is about trying to please ALL players, of every ability.
Run two Tourneys alongside each other on Sky Poker, at exactly the same time - a £30 BH, & a £30 Roller. Which would get most runners? I suggest the BH would get 10 times as many runners.
I do agree that antes would be useful in Rollers, & stuff like VLV Finals, no doubt at all. But it has to be kept in its proper perspective. They will come.
Hi, There is a “Software Changes” Thread on the Forum, asking various questions, it also states numerous facts, many of which are incorrect, or based on wrong assumptions. So I thought I might set out a few things which may help everyone understand a little better how these things work. Sky Poker is a business – and a very successful one – so it does not always reveal it’s future plans in too much detail, for obvious reasons, but there are some very good & valid points on the thread, so I agreed to reply to as many as possible, & do so by giving you some background, too. Only be seeing a fuller picture can some parts of a never ending, ever growing jigsaw seem to fit. There is a whole bunch of stuff to address, so I’ll do it in parts, as follows. Background The iceberg…… Getting from A to B Recent changes Work-in-progress If you could just bear with me whilst I Post it all, I'd be most grateful. Thank you. Posted by Tikay10
I might actually refuse to speak to you because of this
lol at the ante mob. which tournys r u going to use ante in.. u have the roller and any possible ds..
how can u put antes in the norm tournys, do u want them in the 15 min timed aswell..
cant waint to see you at an spt. ohh sorry, u dont play live(for some only)...
they have antes in these tournys, u shud try going out once in a while and playing cards..
i do believe that the antes wud be good in some tournys but deffo not all..
i have yet to play in a tournys on many sites that has antes from the start and it norm doesn t come in until after the first hour atleast..
as half of the field in most tournys on sky are out by the first hour.. why would you need antes..
apart from maybe the roller and the ukops and the final for the vegas. but once u have one final for the vegas without antes , u cant really change it..
yes i am the moaner from 51.. but the structure of most tournys is good , and a few ... ONLY A FEW.. need tweeking..
keep up the good work sky..
antes in cash. ROTFLMAO. thats called a raise.. wot ante u going to put on a 2-4 table. 1 p each player.. so u r basically saying that every flop will be seen by everyone..
lol at the ante mob. which tournys r u going to use ante in.. u have the roller and any possible ds.. how can u put antes in the norm tournys, do u want them in the 15 min timed aswell.. cant waint to see you at an spt. ohh sorry, u dont play live(for some only)... they have antes in these tournys, u shud try going out once in a while and playing cards.. i do believe that the antes wud be good in some tournys but deffo not all.. i have yet to play in a tournys on many sites that has antes from the start and it norm doesn t come in until after the first hour atleast.. as half of the field in most tournys on sky are out by the first hour.. why would you need antes.. apart from maybe the roller and the ukops and the final for the vegas. but once u have one final for the vegas without antes , u cant really change it.. yes i am the moaner from 51.. but the structure of most tournys is good , and a few ... ONLY A FEW.. need tweeking.. keep up the good work sky.. antes in cash. ROTFLMAO. thats called a raise.. wot ante u going to put on a 2-4 table. 1 p each player.. so u r basically saying that every flop will be seen by everyone.. Posted by bigal36903
On the biggest, best site in the World, that has every single type of Multi table tournament you could ever think of, available 24 hours a day 7 days a week, including $1 super mega hyper turbo rebuys, there are antes in every single tournament.
Spose they've got it wrong and you're right?
There are also antes in alot of their sit n gos & HU sngs.
They also have lots of cash tables available where antes are used.
Quick tournaments are not unplayable, they are only unplayable if you don't know how to play them.
I was discussing the whole antes thing with Emma the other day and I was basically saying to her (as I've now seen Tikay say above) that there's no way the majority of MTTs on Sky could handle antes.
In the grand scheme of things, in comparison to some major tournaments, virtually every tournament on Sky has a pretty fast structure that (as Tikay said) would mean adding antes would make them unplayable/a crapshoot.
You know I was only pulling your leg Tikay. We really appreciate all the time you give to Skypoker and "its" forum. 99.99% of us know that you work tirelessly for this,. What a lot of people don't know is the amount of genuine personal abuse Tikay gets for being the "face" of skypoker. The rest of us love you, in a healthy slap-on-the-back sort of way, obviously.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : On the biggest, best site in the World, that has every single type of Multi table tournament you could ever think of, available 24 hours a day 7 days a week, including $1 super mega hyper turbo rebuys, there are antes in every single tournament . Spose they've got it wrong and you're right? There are also antes in alot of their sit n gos & HU sngs. They also have lots of cash tables available where antes are used. Quick tournaments are not unplayable, they are only unplayable if you don't know how to play them. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
YES BUT AFTER WOT LEVEL..
how long before the antes kick in. in all tournys i play on other sites. and yes dohhhhh, i dont only play sky...
they have ante, but only after so long of play, even in stt aswell. but these go on far longer than skys tournys and stt do..
p.s. i am a winning player on all my sites ... OHHH and live i am a winning player... cant wait for the spt in blackpool as deffo going there , maybe even cardiff..
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : YES BUT AFTER WOT LEVEL.. how long before the antes kick in. in all tournys i play on other sites. and yes dohhhhh, i dont only play sky... they have ante, but only after so long of play, even in stt aswell. but these go on far longer than skys tournys and stt do.. p.s. i am a winning player on all my sites ... OHHH and live i am a winning player... cant wait for the spt in blackpool as deffo going there , maybe even cardiff.. Posted by bigal36903
I don't know, it will depend on the type of tournament.
I'm sure sky have people working for them capable of designing a good tournament structure which includes antes.
If they haven't they could employ someone, or just ask beaneh to do it again.
You know I was only pulling your leg Tikay. We really appreciate all the time you give to Skypoker and "its" forum. 99.99% of us know that you work tirelessly for this,. What a lot of people don't know is the amount of genuine personal abuse Tikay gets for being the "face" of skypoker. The rest of us love you, in a healthy slap-on-the-back sort of way, obviously. P.S. congrats on the Brighton bink. Posted by Eyeman
well said Graham, for all the banter aside, and OTT a bit sometimes, we have to remember how lucky we are having Tikay
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : YES BUT AFTER WOT LEVEL.. how long before the antes kick in. in all tournys i play on other sites. and yes dohhhhh, i dont only play sky... they have ante, but only after so long of play, even in stt aswell. but these go on far longer than skys tournys and stt do.. p.s. i am a winning player on all my sites ... OHHH and live i am a winning player... cant wait for the spt in blackpool as deffo going there , maybe even cardiff.. Posted by bigal36903
I may be wrong but I haven't seen Doh once suggest that the antes should come in at the start of a tourney. Obviously they'll normally be a proportion of the SB/BB so the level to bring them in might be 100/200 and a running 25 ante.
This would speed up tourneys and you're always gonna get some people for and some against. Why not just take one of the regular tourneys (not a televised one cos it would be awkward), exactly same structure (and same kickoff time) as normal but one has antes, one doesn't, publicise it well on the forum so people know the options and let people vote with their feet. Halve the guarantees if needbe for that one night so you aint guaranteeing any more than normal.
P.S. I don't see how it is at all relevant whether you're a winning player on any sites, live or online, it should have no impact on a player of the game having an opinion.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : On the biggest, best site in the World, that has every single type of Multi table tournament you could ever think of, available 24 hours a day 7 days a week, including $1 super mega hyper turbo rebuys, there are antes in every single tournament . Spose they've got it wrong and you're right? There are also antes in alot of their sit n gos & HU sngs. They also have lots of cash tables available where antes are used. Quick tournaments are not unplayable, they are only unplayable if you don't know how to play them. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
sorry is the worlds best site, that u got a ban on
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : sorry is the worlds best site, that u got a ban on Posted by bigal36903
Get yer facts right bud.
My account was temporarily suspended, and I was asked to provide my driving license as proof of identity, which I did, and my account was promptly re-opened.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : On the biggest, best site in the World, that has every single type of Multi table tournament you could ever think of, available 24 hours a day 7 days a week, including $1 super mega hyper turbo rebuys, there are antes in every single tournament . Spose they've got it wrong and you're right? There are also antes in alot of their sit n gos & HU sngs. They also have lots of cash tables available where antes are used. Quick tournaments are not unplayable, they are only unplayable if you don't know how to play them. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Suppose people said this to the guy who discovered the Earth was round ...
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I hope you are well, & running good.
There seems to be an incredible disconnent in understanding how antes work, & why they are, or are not, used.
I have explained this several times, or tried to.
I think antes are great, & serve a particular purpose in Tourneys where the structure supports them.
However, there are very few Tourneys on Sky Poker where there would be a credible logic for having them - I would estimate that less than 1% (1 in 100) are suitable for Antes.
Antes in the vast majority of existing Tourneys on Sky Poker would render them completely unplayable.
Antes will arrive here in due course, & will be applied to those Tourneys where they serve the function for which they are designed - to rev up the action & reward aggression at the sharp end.
A typical Thursdsay night BH Main Event loses 70% of the field in Hour One. That is plenty quick enough.
One rather rude gentleman, an "ante-lover", who posts on here a lot buy plays all his poker elsewhere, sent me an abusive FB message yesterday about antes on Sky Poker, or the lack of them. He insisted that all decent Tourneys should have Antes in from Level One. Which is odd, because I doubt any tourney, on any site, live or online, anywhere in the world, has had antes at the beginning. Antes do not work like that, ever. I'm not entirely how I can argue with, or reply, to his logic.
Any regular MTT player appreciates antes - but only where appropriate. In due course, antes will be here on Sky Poker, & will be applied to the Tournaments where they would serve a useful function, & add positively to the customer experience.
Run two Tourneys alongside each other on Sky Poker, at exactly the same time - a £30 BH, & a £30 Roller. Which would get most runners? I suggest the BH would get 10 times as many runners.
I do agree that antes would be useful in Rollers, & stuff like VLV Finals, no doubt at all. But it has to be kept in its proper perspective. They will come.
Endless hours patiently trying to explain stuff, & all that got noted is a surplus apostrophe.....marv.
Still, its all good fun, eh?
great job by all at glasgow, you were almost not missed!!!!
oh, and i believe congrats are also due to you for a success................................???
143rd birthday?? you kept that quiet.
how can u put antes in the norm tournys, do u want them in the 15 min timed aswell..
cant waint to see you at an spt. ohh sorry, u dont play live(for some only)...
they have antes in these tournys, u shud try going out once in a while and playing cards..
i do believe that the antes wud be good in some tournys but deffo not all..
i have yet to play in a tournys on many sites that has antes from the start and it norm doesn t come in until after the first hour atleast..
as half of the field in most tournys on sky are out by the first hour.. why would you need antes..
apart from maybe the roller and the ukops and the final for the vegas. but once u have one final for the vegas without antes , u cant really change it..
yes i am the moaner from 51.. but the structure of most tournys is good , and a few ... ONLY A FEW.. need tweeking..
keep up the good work sky..
antes in cash. ROTFLMAO. thats called a raise.. wot ante u going to put on a 2-4 table. 1 p each player.. so u r basically saying that every flop will be seen by everyone..
In the grand scheme of things, in comparison to some major tournaments, virtually every tournament on Sky has a pretty fast structure that (as Tikay said) would mean adding antes would make them unplayable/a crapshoot.
how long before the antes kick in. in all tournys i play on other sites. and yes dohhhhh, i dont only play sky...
they have ante, but only after so long of play, even in stt aswell. but these go on far longer than skys tournys and stt do..
p.s. i am a winning player on all my sites ... OHHH and live i am a winning player... cant wait for the spt in blackpool as deffo going there , maybe even cardiff..
well said Graham, for all the banter aside, and OTT a bit sometimes, we have to remember how lucky we are having Tikay
*i accept no responsibilty for saying this
This would speed up tourneys and you're always gonna get some people for and some against. Why not just take one of the regular tourneys (not a televised one cos it would be awkward), exactly same structure (and same kickoff time) as normal but one has antes, one doesn't, publicise it well on the forum so people know the options and let people vote with their feet. Halve the guarantees if needbe for that one night so you aint guaranteeing any more than normal.
P.S. I don't see how it is at all relevant whether you're a winning player on any sites, live or online, it should have no impact on a player of the game having an opinion.