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Why folding is the key to winning deepstacks...

GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
edited November 2009 in Poker Chat
WD all who cashed.. another fantastic 22 deepie played in a great spirit as usual.

here was a fold i made early on...

followed by the result...

Apologies in advance for blatant brag...
mabsue Small blind   30.00 30.00 3640.00
posh92 Big blind   60.00 90.00 6347.50
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
     
ctbn Fold        
SoLack Fold        
GREGHOGG Raise   180.00 270.00 5075.00
mabsue Call   150.00 420.00 3490.00
posh92 Fold        
Flop
   
  • J
  • 9
  • 4
     
mabsue Bet   120.00 540.00 3370.00
GREGHOGG Raise   420.00 960.00 4655.00
mabsue Call   300.00 1260.00 3070.00
Turn
   
  • K
     
mabsue All-in   3070.00 4330.00 0.00
GREGHOGG Fold        
mabsue Show
  • K
  • 9
     
mabsue Win   4330.00   4330.00
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GREGHOGG1£132 + 30 League Points110000 
anjie19702£99 + 26 League Points0 
SoLack3£77 + 18 League Points0 
unbpower4£55 + 12 League Points0 
Ludovician5£44 + 6 League Points0 
Uzi_lover6£330 
J-Hartigan7 0 
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  • JingleMaJingleMa Member Posts: 1,319
    edited November 2009

    N1 Greg, very classy fold.
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  • TorryladdTorryladd Member Posts: 503
    edited November 2009
    change ur name to mystic meg
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  • darichdarich Member Posts: 969
    edited November 2009
    Good fold, but some rather exotic play by Mabsue with k9?! I'm outta there when you raise my flop bet
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER Member Posts: 7,606
    edited November 2009
    wow great fold greg,

    you are some player m8y ,

    mmm must upgrade you again on my notes lol,

    oh and congratulations on the win .
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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,669
    edited November 2009

    Very well done Greg! Great fold, too.
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  • namesb0ndnamesb0nd Member Posts: 402
    edited November 2009
    nice fold,unless a spade was coming!just kidding,great fold and result :)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009
    krazzyyyyyy fold. result orientated replies as always. Get the money in asap. Isnt a good fold just coz u wud have lost. annoyed again. But am callin / raisin 100% deepstack short stak mid stack wateva!

    dohhhh x
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  • DeadluckDeadluck Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2009
    Baluga theorum coming into play there??

    Great laydown.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009
    ...poor lay down
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  • DeadluckDeadluck Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2009
    Entitled to your opinion. Mabsue makes a terrible call on the flop and is probably hoping villain has an overpair or AJ. When K is on the turn, his play is a value shove knowing he's getting called by those hands most of the time - ie. people like yourself, and i know im felting myself there most of the time too with TPTK + NutFD.

    But if u pickup a feeling that it's a value shove and have the balls to lay it down - then I wouldn't say its a "bad" laydown in any sense of the word. Perhaps critically thinking it's probably best to call in the long run against an unknown or solid TAG, but if u know your against a donk who's going to shove when he sees his 2pair sucking out against a flop bet/raise, then it's a great laydown in my opinion.

    Call or fold, both are fine in that spot tbh Greg.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009
    just shove it in when u have the chance, especially the flop, 2 overs nut draw, if u miss, oh well buy in lost, get it bak on a cash table within half an hour. if u win, crack on n win the tourny. so simple. ppl try to over-complicate this game at times

    ps (if the buy in means alot to u, dont buy in)

    DOHHH
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Why folding is the key to winning deepstacks...:
    just shove it in when u have the chance, especially the flop, 2 overs nut draw, if u miss, oh well buy in lost, get it bak on a cash table within half an hour. if u win, crack on n win the tourny. so simple. ppl try to over-complicate this game at times ps (if the buy in means alot to u, dont buy in) DOHHH
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Hello Dohhhhhh

    The buy in is within my bank roll so its not a problem and that would never influence my decision in any case... I play this tourney most nights of the week, every week...

    I folded because of the way the hand played out and because i know Mabsue well and have played him many times. Its all about knowing the player imo...

    He has at least 2 pair when he shoves imo, and i have the wrong price to hit any of my outs.

    At this stage of the tourney with the blinds as they are why would i call when im almost certain im behind?

    And i did crack the tourney, in a solid, patient, way as per normal. We all have our own styles of playing. Obviously if this was a standard tourney and i only had a few bbs behind i would call, but in this situation, if i fold i still  have well over 50 bbs.

    Thank you every1 for your comments, i was so chuffed to win this tonight vs a very tough field.

    Greg
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009
    well its an auto all in, fact. explanation read, digested, understood.

    just shove it in on the flop u take the pot down.

    stop being result orientated, so frustrating.

    dohh
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  • DeadluckDeadluck Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2009
    DOHH^Nth

    1. Do you have to be so rude and flippant?

    2. "just shoving it in on the flop" is stupid at the current blind levels.

    3. You give no support or explanation for your so called "advice", instead resorting to a typical 2p2 style attitude. Did he ask for your advice in the first place?

    4. To return the attitude: explanation to show the math and rationale behind your "auto all in"; or gtfo.


    I'd be interested to see scotty's or ladyfingr's response to this if you post it in the strategy section greg
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited November 2009
    Could consider folding the flop? There are a lot of poor players who will not fold to a reraise... and will  then check call the other streets. I know this is unconventional but its tournaments are different to cash games and i think there are better spots than 50 50 on the flop if you dont think the opponent will fold. I know i will get a lot of criticism for bringing this up but there is more than one way to play. You played it very well and good fold.
    Could also float the flop? There are a lot of options available not just shove or fold.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009

    well im the best player in the world believe it or not. im right u r all wrong. unless u agree with me. never ever folding there who cares wat the blind structure is?

    move in, he folds, n u win the tourny.

    simples ;)

    dohh

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  • DeadluckDeadluck Member Posts: 521
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Why folding is the key to winning deepstacks...:
    Could consider folding the flop? There are a lot of poor players who will not fold to a reraise... and will  then check call the other streets. I know this is unconventional but its tournaments are different to cash games and i think there are better spots than 50 50 on the flop if you dont think the opponent will fold. I know i will get a lot of criticism for bringing this up but there is more than one way to play. You played it very well and good fold. Could also float the flop? There are a lot of options available not just shove or fold.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    He wouldn't be floating the flop when he's got the nut flush draw and 2 overs...
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009
    jeez its so so simple, move in on the flop. y not??????
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  • bennydip2bennydip2 Member Posts: 2,093
    edited November 2009
     
     Very well played Gregg, and class act ..

    The thing is this a good player knows when to lay down a monster, and when the timing is right, 
      knows how to  play rags to take a pot down .. Top Man  glk  to ya !
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009
    Is no1 getting it??? there is no decision if u shove the flop?

    am i talking to myself??? in the end good fold but it shudnt have got to that stage.....



    plz explain why im wrong??? (im not btw)
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