Well done dev, i have been mixing in a bit of 10nl recently for a bit of fun aside from my HU so maybe we will meet at the tables. I'll be the guy playing every pot and losing 90% of them so if you see me sitting down make sure your sat to my right lol
Keepin an eye on your progress dev in your new venture.Dont really post as much these days,but still look in on yours and others diary's.Give it a while and we'll be seein you on top of the pots )) All the best. Paul Posted by bignoise10
ha ha thanks Paul, yeah,be nice wouldn't it. lol best wishes dev
Well done dev, i have been mixing in a bit of 10nl recently for a bit of fun aside from my HU so maybe we will meet at the tables. I'll be the guy playing every pot and losing 90% of them so if you see me sitting down make sure your sat to my right lol Posted by benc
thanks benc, ha ha yeah,always enjoy the challenge playing against players i've not played before,so i'll keep my good eye looking out for you. lol best wishes buddy dev
had to show this beauty... i checked the river,thinking i was good.thought it a good line to take as i didn't want to lose opponent by going all-in. bit of a sweat though,but all's well that ends well
"I checked the river, thinking I was good, thought it a good line to take as I didn't want to lose opponent"
I'm going to put this as nicely as I can. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Glad the cash is going better mate, keep going.
By the way, you did make me chuckle the other day when you posted about the benefits of playing nl4 and then in very next post you wrote about multitabling nl10
Nice pot Ian. "I checked the river, thinking I was good, thought it a good line to take as I didn't want to lose opponent" I'm going to put this as nicely as I can. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Glad the cash is going better mate, keep going. By the way, you did make me chuckle the other day when you posted about the benefits of playing nl4 and then in very next post you wrote about multitabling nl10 Posted by Jac35
hi Paul, yeah,wasn't to sure,but thought opponent was weak,as it turned out with only a pair of 9's could have folded to all-in bet. anyway,turned out ok. that's what i mean about how i take it 1 day at a time. lol i'll be quite happy ticking along playing nl4 then from nowhere i'm playing 4 tables at nl10 the next day. go with the flow & all that. hope all is good your end best wishes (* *) ^ dev
devonfish i think the computers must have been at fault on friday night if your still ahead on the river with AA. my hands were never suviving the fish. you will probably remember some yourself.
devonfish i think the computers must have been at fault on friday night if your still ahead on the river with AA. my hands were never suviving the fish. you will probably remember some yourself. Posted by craigcu12
yeah, you had a number of bad beats craig i remember.very unlucky,especially when opponent hit his full house on river to beat yours. that AA hand i just felt i was ahead and went with it.luckily this time i was right. at that time i was about £15 down so i deffo needed to win it.
nl 10 can be quite brutal,and a few hands winning or losing either way can have a massive effect on your night.you don't have to do much wrong and can easily lose £50-£100.that's why you really do need to be well rolled to play there,even with my now £345 this isn't really enough tbh and if i was to drop below £200 or so,i would have to think about trying to build by playing nl4.
all you can do though is your best and try and keep things simple i think,and learn from any mistakes you make.but saying that there isn't anything you can do when opponents outdraw you,especially on the river,as happened to you a number of times. playing abc poker 'ain't pretty but it is the most effective way to at least keep you level for most sessions ,and with a little luck if you can win a buy-in or two,then hopefully you will see your b/roll increase.
a little thing i've learnt from playing dym's is not to get to down on yourself after a losing session,especially if you have just run bad rather than played badly. i now look at it month by month,and if my b/roll has increased by the end of that month,great that's my main aim.i've also learnt it's more important 'not to lose' than it is 'to win.' as i've just started playing cash this year,i knew i would struggle to break even for the first month or two,which has been the case. now i'm into month three,i'm just starting to show a profit,which is what i've been working towards. the most important thing imo is to never give up,which is not always easy.i have felt like doing just that a few times since i've started playing cash this year.but i've stuck with it,and now at last there is a glimmer of a chance that i might just have made the right choice in changing to it,but it's been a test,that's for sure. but then that's no different to playing my dym challenge last year. i try and set myself little targets,which i sometimes achieve and sometimes don't. we are all human,aren't we.we have our good days we have our bad days. as long as i have more good than bad and am making some money,i'm happy. i've also learnt,i don't have to play everyday.now,like today i didn't.tomorrow...maybe.
ok, didn't post last night..too tired. always knew this session would come and today was the day. i could have and now looking back on it,should have 'booked the win' as i was £10 or so up after 1/2 an hour or so.(maybe i'll start using that tactic,as i've used it before playing dym's...even though i know it's not widely accepted that you should.)
ended up playing a 7 hour straight session as i was always playing catch up once i fell behind,and as i never like to finish a session losing,without giving it my best shot trying to recover my losses.(which is probably a mistake as that can lead to a number of things,frustration,tilt,loss of concentration,etc,etc.)
hands lost over £3.00 (15) AA 4 times KK twice JJ 10 10 3times AK 3 times A 10 K 10 suited.
hands won over £3.00 (18) AA 4times KK 3times AK AJ KQ 10 10 99 88 9 10 98 SUITED 55 33 92
oh,also..started off playing 2 tables then 3 & 4 then 6 for a while. got greedy i guess ended up playing 9.
so,what to make of that session? obviously disapointed at losing,that's a given. probably played too many tables...definitely. probably played over aggressively if i'm being honest...which up until now i have always struggled to do. to be fair,looking at the stats...the AA & KK hands have evened out pretty much,although 1 hand that i lost with AA to KK (which is a £20 swing,i guess.) all my 15 losses came from strong p/flop holdings..so maybe i've got something to look at there,i don't know? or is it just part & parcel with playing cash? maybe it is.
anyway,there it is.it's gone 'move on' as they say. lol i'll go through my losing hands later and see just how badly i played them.
'can't take any more of this...got to go' lol
laters dev
ps; i know it's been said before about just how easy it is playing cash to have losses of 4 or 5 buy-ins per session,so should i be overly concerned with this session?, or just keep at it,as tbh all though i've lost and yes i was probably playing too many tables,i felt i played ok, and certainly the most aggressive i've ever played to date,which i did find exciting.
also,is c4p an important part of playing cash,as i know many of the reg's must be getting a nice return there,or should i simply concentrate on my game and soley trying to win from that,and not concern myself with c4p at all?
Until you're making big numbers c4p wise it shouldn't be of the slightest importance to you.
Wha is important is the stuff you already know but keep disregarding.
Game selection
By now you will know both the good/bads regs at these stakes.
Why sit with a table of good players when with a minutes work you can find a table full of bad players?
Number of tables
How's are you going to get reads on people if you are not following the game at all?
I guess th multitabling is due to your fixation with c4ps.
£4 to come shows you that c4p's means nothing at this level.
£4 is what you lose in one hand when you've missed that the guy who's shoved is the tightest player you ever seen but you were on another table. You call, he shows nuts and there's a buy in gone.
I know it all sounds harsh but you WILL win at this level if you drop the number of tables and fully concentrate on the ones you're on.
Wasn't having a go at Dev and yes longterm multitabling will provide biger profits. Just thinking 'walk before you can run' Cash is fairly new to Ian and we're in all honesty not YET 'crushing'
totally agree, cash for points is a nice way of getting a reward for putting in volume. But the #1 priority should always be playing the right number of the right tables to suit your ability and style of play.
Ian 7 hour session -£40 Month of playing to date - c4p £4 to come Doesn't that tell you everything? Until you're making big numbers c4p wise it shouldn't be of the slightest importance to you. Wha is important is the stuff you already know but keep disregarding. Game selection By now you will know both the good/bads regs at these stakes. Why sit with a table of good players when with a minutes work you can find a table full of bad players? Number of tables How's are you going to get reads on people if you are not following the game at all? I guess th multitabling is due to your fixation with c4ps. £4 to come shows you that c4p's means nothing at this level. £4 is what you lose in one hand when you've missed that the guy who's shoved is the tightest player you ever seen but you were on another table. You call, he shows nuts and there's a buy in gone. I know it all sounds harsh but you WILL win at this level if you drop the number of tables and fully concentrate on the ones you're on. Posted by Jac35
hi Paul, thanks as always mate for the feedback. yeah,i know my c4p is low atm,as i've not been playing much and when i have only been playing 2/4 tables until now. my point there was that some reg's are playing 10/12 tables every day and getting a good return from c4p so i was just enquiring as to whether i should play more tables,starting from next month now obviously and if the c4p is worth the effort.i guess i also need to be at least playing break-even poker first though.
yeah,again my game selection has been quite good at least up until y'day anyway. i think i just got carried away loading tables once i got behind and should have known better.
another thing i forgot to mention and something that interests me is this; most of my losses came from premium hands,as i've mentioned. my stats show my number of wins and losses for these hands, for this session anyway, were almost dead on 50/50 so my point is this; is it really worth playing premium hands? wouldn't i simply be better off playing them as say pocket 6's? i know it's just 1 session,but it seems to me no matter how i play these hands, in the past and at the moment anyway,that making a profit from them i'm finding impossible.and it's mainly these big hands that are costing me so dearly almost every session.am i just being paranoid over them or simply not playing them correctly? i've tried playing them different ways...all-in slow et,etc. any thoughts? dev
on the other hand you are starting to push it - both in number of tables and also aggression I am really liking that dev don't let one losing session put you off - yet bit like the matrix (film) suddenly things become natural it is not about thinking it is about knowing go for it Posted by GELDY
ty GELDY, yeah,it's stil quite early days i guess,so u r right in that i should keep going for it. i'd already made my mind up b4 y'day that i was going to play at least until the end of March,and will. again u r right i am starting to push it,probably just too much y'day. again know what u r saying about it having to become natural rather than thinking about it. just a bad session,but i've has worse. lol just going to write that one off and put it down to in-experience. thanks for the support mate...it's tough losing at anything,when u r super competitive,as i am...especially when money is involved too. all encouragement is much appreciated from yourself and jac35 and from everyone else too. dev
seem to be going ok, got a few points i would like to add.
1. Stop playing when you arent playing well, you say you feel like trying to 'win it back'. This really isnt the best way to play.
2. 4-5 BI isnt too bad, depends on how many tables you were playing.
3. Forget about C4P - really not worth pushing yourself to play too many tables, best just trying to play your best game on as many as you can.
4. As for playing strong holdings, keep playing them. But make sure you play them as a normal hand, and remmeber they can loose. You are deeper than a DYM so dont be lookig to get it in. Also dont feel you have to call on a scary board that smacks their range just coz u have aces. I think it was you that sometimes rasie 5x, i wouldnt reccomend doing this as people will still call with 22 and you have bloated the pot for when they hit their set. And when they miss u bet and they fold and u win 10p extra.
Sorry to blab on but hope it helps.
Main thing forget about C4P - playing 1 table well is better than playing 12 tables badly.
Hi dev seem to be going ok, got a few points i would like to add. 1. Stop playing when you arent playing well, you say you feel like trying to 'win it back'. This really isnt the best way to play. 2. 4-5 BI isnt too bad, depends on how many tables you were playing. 3. Forget about C4P - really not worth pushing yourself to play too many tables, best just trying to play your best game on as many as you can. 4. As for playing strong holdings, keep playing them. But make sure you play them as a normal hand, and remmeber they can loose. You are deeper than a DYM so dont be lookig to get it in. Also dont feel you have to call on a scary board that smacks their range just coz u have aces. I think it was you that sometimes rasie 5x, i wouldnt reccomend doing this as people will still call with 22 and you have bloated the pot for when they hit their set. And when they miss u bet and they fold and u win 10p extra. Sorry to blab on but hope it helps. Main thing forget about C4P - playing 1 table well is better than playing 12 tables badly. Posted by sighcall
thanks for the post buddy, all good points.( and i will take in all that u have said... ty) yeah,i know i shouldn't be chasing back money already lost,but i really don't like going to bed 'a loser' lol ( when i first joined sky nearly 3 yrs ago now i was playing nl4 i remember 1 session where i was down the whole time but i said to myself i'm not going to bed a loser tonight.6 hrs later i showed a profit of 1p) lol; see that's just the type of guy i am...and it's not 'all about the money'. (oh and it turned out to be one of my most memorable and enjoyable sessions...ever. lol) re playing strong/premium hands;yes i'm going to lower my initial raise p/f to 3x for the next session on all hands,if only to see how that goes. i'm finding this whole cash game so interesting as there is just so much more to it than i ever previously imagined. i guess it's a bit like a car engine...until it's all put together properly and all the bits are working as one, it just gets you nowhere...bit like my poker at the moment...keeps stalling.(just like this old canary yellow ford anglia..bit b4 your time..lol i once owned.) lol cheers buddy dev
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thanks Paul,
yeah,be nice wouldn't it. lol
best wishes
dev
ha ha
yeah,always enjoy the challenge playing against players i've not played before,so i'll keep my good eye looking out for you. lol
best wishes buddy
dev
won £5.88 b/roll £345.53 (up £13.81 this year)
3/4 tables nl10
c4p 287
so still happy.
winning hands over £3 (7) £42.79 £16.47 £16.37 £9.88 £8.83 £8.40 £6.40
losing hands over £3 (2) £12.51 £8.47
cream crackered...time for bed.
night all.
dev
i checked the river,thinking i was good.thought it a good line to take as i didn't want to lose opponent by going all-in.
bit of a sweat though,but all's well that ends well
yeah,wasn't to sure,but thought opponent was weak,as it turned out with only a pair of 9's could have folded to all-in bet.
anyway,turned out ok.
that's what i mean about how i take it 1 day at a time. lol
i'll be quite happy ticking along playing nl4 then from nowhere i'm playing 4 tables at nl10 the next day.
go with the flow & all that.
hope all is good your end
best wishes
(* *)
^
dev
devonfish i think the computers must have been at fault on friday night if your still ahead on the river with AA. my hands were never suviving the fish. you will probably remember some yourself.
that AA hand i just felt i was ahead and went with it.luckily this time i was right.
at that time i was about £15 down so i deffo needed to win it.
nl 10 can be quite brutal,and a few hands winning or losing either way can have a massive effect on your night.you don't have to do much wrong and can easily lose £50-£100.that's why you really do need to be well rolled to play there,even with my now £345 this isn't really enough tbh and if i was to drop below £200 or so,i would have to think about trying to build by playing nl4.
all you can do though is your best and try and keep things simple i think,and learn from any mistakes you make.but saying that there isn't anything you can do when opponents outdraw you,especially on the river,as happened to you a number of times.
playing abc poker 'ain't pretty but it is the most effective way to at least keep you level for most sessions ,and with a little luck if you can win a buy-in or two,then hopefully you will see your b/roll increase.
a little thing i've learnt from playing dym's is not to get to down on yourself after a losing session,especially if you have just run bad rather than played badly.
i now look at it month by month,and if my b/roll has increased by the end of that month,great that's my main aim.i've also learnt it's more important 'not to lose' than it is 'to win.'
as i've just started playing cash this year,i knew i would struggle to break even for the first month or two,which has been the case.
now i'm into month three,i'm just starting to show a profit,which is what i've been working towards.
the most important thing imo is to never give up,which is not always easy.i have felt like doing just that a few times since i've started playing cash this year.but i've stuck with it,and now at last there is a glimmer of a chance that i might just have made the right choice in changing to it,but it's been a test,that's for sure.
but then that's no different to playing my dym challenge last year.
i try and set myself little targets,which i sometimes achieve and sometimes don't.
we are all human,aren't we.we have our good days we have our bad days.
as long as i have more good than bad and am making some money,i'm happy.
i've also learnt,i don't have to play everyday.now,like today i didn't.tomorrow...maybe.
(* *)
^
dev
**** straight!
lost £39.19
b/roll £306.44 ( down £25.38 this year)
c4p 551 = £4.41 to come
nl 10
ok, didn't post last night..too tired.
always knew this session would come and today was the day.
i could have and now looking back on it,should have 'booked the win' as i was £10 or so up after 1/2 an hour or so.(maybe i'll start using that tactic,as i've used it before playing dym's...even though i know it's not widely accepted that you should.)
ended up playing a 7 hour straight session as i was always playing catch up once i fell behind,and as i never like to finish a session losing,without giving it my best shot trying to recover my losses.(which is probably a mistake as that can lead to a number of things,frustration,tilt,loss of concentration,etc,etc.)
hands lost over £3.00 (15) AA 4 times KK twice JJ 10 10 3times AK 3 times A 10 K 10 suited.
hands won over £3.00 (18) AA 4times KK 3times AK AJ KQ 10 10 99 88 9 10 98 SUITED 55 33 92
oh,also..started off playing 2 tables then 3 & 4 then 6 for a while. got greedy i guess ended up playing 9.
so,what to make of that session?
obviously disapointed at losing,that's a given.
probably played too many tables...definitely.
probably played over aggressively if i'm being honest...which up until now i have always struggled to do.
to be fair,looking at the stats...the AA & KK hands have evened out pretty much,although 1 hand that i lost with AA to KK (which is a £20 swing,i guess.)
all my 15 losses came from strong p/flop holdings..so maybe i've got something to look at there,i don't know? or is it just part & parcel with playing cash? maybe it is.
anyway,there it is.it's gone 'move on' as they say. lol
i'll go through my losing hands later and see just how badly i played them.
'can't take any more of this...got to go' lol
laters
dev
ps; i know it's been said before about just how easy it is playing cash to have losses of 4 or 5 buy-ins per session,so should i be overly concerned with this session?, or just keep at it,as tbh all though i've lost and yes i was probably playing too many tables,i felt i played ok, and certainly the most aggressive i've ever played to date,which i did find exciting.
also,is c4p an important part of playing cash,as i know many of the reg's must be getting a nice return there,or should i simply concentrate on my game and soley trying to win from that,and not concern myself with c4p at all?
any help would be very much appreciated. ty dev
Wasn't having a go at Dev and yes longterm multitabling will provide biger profits.
Just thinking 'walk before you can run'
Cash is fairly new to Ian and we're in all honesty not YET 'crushing'
totally agree, cash for points is a nice way of getting a reward for putting in volume. But the #1 priority should always be playing the right number of the right tables to suit your ability and style of play.
thanks as always mate for the feedback.
yeah,i know my c4p is low atm,as i've not been playing much and when i have only been playing 2/4 tables until now.
my point there was that some reg's are playing 10/12 tables every day and getting a good return from c4p so i was just enquiring as to whether i should play more tables,starting from next month now obviously and if the c4p is worth the effort.i guess i also need to be at least playing break-even poker first though.
yeah,again my game selection has been quite good at least up until y'day anyway.
i think i just got carried away loading tables once i got behind and should have known better.
another thing i forgot to mention and something that interests me is this;
most of my losses came from premium hands,as i've mentioned.
my stats show my number of wins and losses for these hands, for this session anyway, were almost dead on 50/50
so my point is this; is it really worth playing premium hands?
wouldn't i simply be better off playing them as say pocket 6's?
i know it's just 1 session,but it seems to me no matter how i play these hands, in the past and at the moment anyway,that making a profit from them i'm finding impossible.and it's mainly these big hands that are costing me so dearly almost every session.am i just being paranoid over them or simply not playing them correctly?
i've tried playing them different ways...all-in slow et,etc.
any thoughts?
dev
yeah,it's stil quite early days i guess,so u r right in that i should keep going for it.
i'd already made my mind up b4 y'day that i was going to play at least until the end of March,and will.
again u r right i am starting to push it,probably just too much y'day.
again know what u r saying about it having to become natural rather than thinking about it.
just a bad session,but i've has worse. lol
just going to write that one off and put it down to in-experience.
thanks for the support mate...it's tough losing at anything,when u r super competitive,as i am...especially when money is involved too.
all encouragement is much appreciated from yourself and jac35 and from everyone else too.
dev
all good points.( and i will take in all that u have said... ty)
yeah,i know i shouldn't be chasing back money already lost,but i really don't like going to bed 'a loser' lol
( when i first joined sky nearly 3 yrs ago now i was playing nl4 i remember 1 session where i was down the whole time but i said to myself i'm not going to bed a loser tonight.6 hrs later i showed a profit of 1p) lol;
see that's just the type of guy i am...and it's not 'all about the money'.
(oh and it turned out to be one of my most memorable and enjoyable sessions...ever. lol)
re playing strong/premium hands;yes i'm going to lower my initial raise p/f to 3x for the next session on all hands,if only to see how that goes.
i'm finding this whole cash game so interesting as there is just so much more to it than i ever previously imagined.
i guess it's a bit like a car engine...until it's all put together properly and all the bits are working as one,
it just gets you nowhere...bit like my poker at the moment...keeps stalling.(just like this old canary yellow ford anglia..bit b4 your time..lol i once owned.) lol
cheers buddy
dev