b/roll £345.46 (up £13.64 this year)...(up £7.26 this month)
c4p 385
small steps but at least now going forwards. lol played 9 tables last 2 sessions.felt comfortable,don't think i'll be playing any more than that. all good atm.my mind is in a good place and now that i'm getting a few small wins,and seeing b/roll increase for the second month running this year,am actually wanting to play,rather than forcing myself to play,as has been the case for much of this year so far.
Action Cards Amount Pot Balance devonfish5 Small blind £0.05 £0.05 £10.12 SHANXTA Big blind £0.10 £0.15 £9.90 Your hole cards 8 8 cactusjac Fold foldUfairy Fold 1988man Fold devonfish5 Raise £0.15 £0.30 £9.97 SHANXTA Call £0.10 £0.40 £9.80 Flop 8 3 5 devonfish5 Check SHANXTA Bet £0.30 £0.70 £9.50 devonfish5 Call £0.30 £1.00 £9.67 Turn 4 devonfish5 Check SHANXTA Bet £0.80 £1.80 £8.70 devonfish5 Raise £1.60 £3.40 £8.07 SHANXTA Raise £4.20 £7.60 £4.50 devonfish5 Call £3.40 £11.00 £4.67 River 6 devonfish5 Check SHANXTA All-in £4.50 £15.50 £0.00 devonfish5 Call £4.50 £20.00 £0.17 devonfish5 Show 8 8 SHANXTA Show 2 A SHANXTA Win Straight to the 6 £18.60 did i miss the clue with the re-raise on the turn? looking at it now...maybe? Posted by devonfish5
hi dev reading through the post and had to comment on this hand, i play 2/4 cash more or less everyday and presumed loose calls & awful play was less regular higher up the food chain,,, obviously not!! i'm sure with your play, espically like you played this hand you'll have no problems turning £300 into, well whatever you want,,,
and if it doesn't work out come round and seek me out on the donk tables
And that my friend is part of the answer, WANTING TO PLAY. I was getting to a stage were i was playing just for the sake of it. Now i play when i feel like and i'm showing a profit. Sometimes i turn laptop on have a look at the forum, and just watch a few games, being in the mood defo helps. Posted by tomo_efc
hi tomo, yes i've cut right down playing wise atm,and touch wood,so far so good. glad it is working out well for you too. best wishes dev. ps;haven't felt like coming here for almost a week,so sorry for not repling sooner.
In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH : hi dev reading through the post and had to comment on this hand, i play 2/4 cash more or less everyday and presumed loose calls & awful play was less regular higher up the food chain,,, obviously not!! i'm sure with your play, espically like you played this hand you'll have no problems turning £300 into, well whatever you want,,, and if it doesn't work out come round and seek me out on the donk tables karim / 1281 Posted by 1281
thanks mate, only just getting over this one. lol thanks lol i was a little upset at the time i remember,but no worries..it happens. best wishes buddy dev
b/roll £350.48 (up £12.28 this month) & (up £18.66 this year)
c4p 653 = £5.22 to come.
not been playing much,hence not posting either. still very happy with how i'm playing,much more aggressive (most of the time lol), been playing less as motivation isn't as good as it should be,probably due to not winning much,but making a small profit feels good.hope to continue playing nl4. nl10 is not even in my thoughts atm,which i'm happy about. hoping to get b/roll up to £500 then i might just start thinking about it again. still a long way to go.
I have no idea why this misconception is so common.
If somebody cannot beat the bad players on a consistent basis, you will not beat the fairly bad players at 10nl and will quite frankly get owned at 20nl and up.
Disagree. I have no idea why this misconception is so common. If somebody cannot beat the bad players on a consistent basis, you will not beat the fairly bad players at 10nl and will quite frankly get owned at 20nl and up. Posted by calcalfold
+1
This is definitely right. You may find in some spots some things work better like c-betting gets more folds because people won't just constantly station off with bottom pair, but overall, if someone can't beat 4NL, then they're unlikely to beat 10NL+ imo.
FWIW, Dev, I still think you should go back to less tables. If you put in a few hours 4 tabling say at 4NL, then you can still make decent regular profits and you'll have a much better idea of how you're getting on as a player. It'll give you SO much more time to check the HH when you beat someone and they muck (because you should ALWAYS look what they had), writing notes on people, making more player dependent decisions etc.
With the determination you have Dev and the amount of hard work you put in to beat DYMs, I'm sure you'll get there.
Agree with what has been said above but i will just add that imo it is harder to win on a table with 5 bad players than it is on a table with 1 or 2 on it, the reason being that v 1 or 2 bad players you can isolate players with a wider range of hands and get full value when you hit but v 5 bad players it almost becomes impossible to isolate and you then have to rely more on getting premium hands because widening your range in this situation becomes -EV.
Because 2p/4p has more newbies playing on it i would expect the outdraws to be happening more often but if you adjust your game for this it should still be no problem as TINTIN proves every month.
Much more productive to play 4 tables well, than 9 tables badly.
My absolute limit is 7 tables. Anymore than that and my brain just cant process the information quick enough. My comfort range is six tables. But even thats not a given, if I am slightly tired I might run with 4.
I agree you should be playing less.
Perhaps drop to 3 or 4. If you turn a good profit in a fortnight, then add one. If that doesnt seem as profitable, move back down.
Trial and error to some extent, but better to start less
Really mate? I think you would do really well at higher limits, there's a lot more poker going on at slightly higher levels. You are a solid, good player, I would say hands down you would be far superior to a lot of players at NL10. But good luck getting up to £500, look forward to hearing you do it. Posted by LARSON7
thanks larson, i've played nl10 remember not so long ago,and losing £100 in a session isn't great especially when your b/roll is only around the £300 mark,hence my reason to drop back to nl4. will get back there again though and give it another go. dev
Disagree. I have no idea why this misconception is so common. If somebody cannot beat the bad players on a consistent basis, you will not beat the fairly bad players at 10nl and will quite frankly get owned at 20nl and up. Posted by calcalfold
hi calcalfod, agree too.nl4 is beatable just the same as any other level. if i can beat nl4 then that's the 1st step complete,on to level 2. dev
In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH..small steps but going forwards. : +1 This is definitely right. You may find in some spots some things work better like c-betting gets more folds because people won't just constantly station off with bottom pair, but overall, if someone can't beat 4NL, then they're unlikely to beat 10NL+ imo. FWIW, Dev, I still think you should go back to less tables. If you put in a few hours 4 tabling say at 4NL, then you can still make decent regular profits and you'll have a much better idea of how you're getting on as a player. It'll give you SO much more time to check the HH when you beat someone and they muck (because you should ALWAYS look what they had), writing notes on people, making more player dependent decisions etc. With the determination you have Dev and the amount of hard work you put in to beat DYMs, I'm sure you'll get there. Posted by Lambert180
hi Paul, i've played 2 tables 4 tables 6 tables mate,and i'm now playing 9 and am really comfortable playing them. don't forget i was playing as many as 15-18 dym tables every night,so 9 is a breeze. lol i'm getting more premium hands by playing 9 and it seems to be helping me get over all the cr*p you have to deal with playing at nl4. i make notes all the time even while playing 9 tables and they deffo do help especially on the big decisions. ex; y'day v loose player was raising big trying to buy pot,i went all-in with 66 he called with AK , my hand held..easy money. it's all about trial and error for me i think atm,so the more tables and therefore hands i play the more practise i'm getting,which is good i feel. i'll drop down number of tables if needed and would deffo be playing less when i move back up to nl10 but 9 is all gravy atm. lol dev
Agree with what has been said above but i will just add that imo it is harder to win on a table with 5 bad players than it is on a table with 1 or 2 on it, the reason being that v 1 or 2 bad players you can isolate players with a wider range of hands and get full value when you hit but v 5 bad players it almost becomes impossible to isolate and you then have to rely more on getting premium hands because widening your range in this situation becomes -EV. Because 2p/4p has more newbies playing on it i would expect the outdraws to be happening more often but if you adjust your game for this it should still be no problem as TINTIN proves every month. Good Luck. Daz. Posted by _ARAZI_
thanks arazi, tbh mate isn't playing against 5 bad players better than 2? it's frustrating getting outdrawn when these type of players are basically playing 'any 2' but by playing more tables as i did playing dym's, it is possible to overcome this little problem. not saying it's advisable to be playing 9 tables at nl20 up,but seems to be working for me at nl4 atm. as you say tintin and i'm sure others show nl4 is beatable.think he plays around 9 tables or so most sessions too.coincidence maybe? dev
9 tables is pretty insane. Much more productive to play 4 tables well, than 9 tables badly. My absolute limit is 7 tables. Anymore than that and my brain just cant process the information quick enough. My comfort range is six tables. But even thats not a given, if I am slightly tired I might run with 4. I agree you should be playing less. Perhaps drop to 3 or 4. If you turn a good profit in a fortnight, then add one. If that doesnt seem as profitable, move back down. Trial and error to some extent, but better to start less Posted by calcalfold
thanks callcalfold, playing 9 is easy peasy for me mate. i did a lot of hard work last year building up number of tables ,my max 1 session was 24 which was a 'mare granted,but 15-18 was ok. all about practise and dedication,anyone can do it...if they want. dev
haven't posted for a few days.nothing very exciting happening apart from played nl10 over the w/end
sat won £19
sun lost £15.90
very happy with how i played both days. lost a few all-ins as you do but all in all no complaints
b/roll £323.33 down £14.87 this month)
c4p 1089 = £10.89 to come
i've got a £10 e/w bet on John Higgins @ 11/1 for snooker w/champs so even though i'm technically down £14.87 this month,i'm really a few pounds up.
going to continue playing nl10 and working on my game,just as long as the 'big' losses stay away. my target is to try and at least get to the end of this month and still have over £300 in my account.
How many tables are you playing at 10nl? As i said before i am confident you can more than beat this level, you are a really good player and know what you are doing at the tables, you know when to fold and how to get value.
Is it maybe best sticking to 1/ 2 tables at 10nl, till you have worked this level out? I'm sure there is slight differences between the 2.
From my experience, there is a bit more bluffing at 10nl, a bit better play, people are more likely to be making moves (compared to 4nl). In saying that, there is still a lot of bad play, and a lot of situations that can be easily exploited.
You could even mix it up playing a bit of 4nl at the same time as 10nl multi-tabling which would aleviate any boredom. I don't tend to take "notes" unless its really obvious stuff like "shoves after 3x raise with AA". But it might be a good idea to sit down at the table, work out the dynamics, who is doing what, and how they are playing to geta picture on they play before getting really involved in the table just to get a grasp of things. If i have the time, i have now started looking at hands after they have been played to see what a player has, how they bet and what their tendencies are.
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lost £1.10 (deepstack)
won £4.35 nl4 4 tables 4+ hrs
total won £3.25
b/roll £347.62 (up £15.79 this year)
another small w so happy again,take a win every session no matter how little. lol
played solid,no heroics,enough said.
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haven't posted for a few days...
lost £25.97 on thursday,some bad beats some bad play.
won £7.74 saturday
2 tables nl4 4 hrs.
b/roll £340.53 (up £8.71 this year)...(up £2.33 this month)
so even with thursdays bad session behind me now,still rolling along. lol
happy with my game and realise there is a long way to go.
thanks to everyone for all the support,i'm not naming names,but you know who you are.
it's keeping me going atm,and very much appreciated.
dev
mon 8/4/13
lost £2.25 nl4 9 tables
tue 9/4/13
won £7.28 nl4 9 tables
b/roll £345.46 (up £13.64 this year)...(up £7.26 this month)
c4p 385
small steps but at least now going forwards. lol
played 9 tables last 2 sessions.felt comfortable,don't think i'll be playing any more than that.
all good atm.my mind is in a good place and now that i'm getting a few small wins,and seeing b/roll increase for the second month running this year,am actually wanting to play,rather than forcing myself to play,as has been the case for much of this year so far.
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reading through the post and had to comment on this hand,
i play 2/4 cash more or less everyday and presumed loose calls & awful play was less regular higher up the food chain,,, obviously not!!
i'm sure with your play, espically like you played this hand you'll have no problems turning £300 into, well whatever you want,,,
and if it doesn't work out come round and seek me out on the donk tables
karim / 1281
yes i've cut right down playing wise atm,and touch wood,so far so good.
glad it is working out well for you too.
best wishes
dev.
ps;haven't felt like coming here for almost a week,so sorry for not repling sooner.
only just getting over this one. lol thanks lol
i was a little upset at the time i remember,but no worries..it happens.
best wishes buddy
dev
won £7.45
9 tables nl4
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tuesday 16/4/13
won £9.69
9 tables nl4
b/roll £350.48 (up £12.28 this month) & (up £18.66 this year)
c4p 653 = £5.22 to come.
not been playing much,hence not posting either.
still very happy with how i'm playing,much more aggressive (most of the time lol),
been playing less as motivation isn't as good as it should be,probably due to not winning much,but making a small profit feels good.hope to continue playing nl4.
nl10 is not even in my thoughts atm,which i'm happy about.
hoping to get b/roll up to £500 then i might just start thinking about it again.
still a long way to go.
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I think you would do really well at higher limits, there's a lot more poker going on at slightly higher levels.
You are a solid, good player, I would say hands down you would be far superior to a lot of players at NL10.
But good luck getting up to £500, look forward to hearing you do it.
I have no idea why this misconception is so common.
If somebody cannot beat the bad players on a consistent basis, you will not beat the fairly bad players at 10nl and will quite frankly get owned at 20nl and up.
This is definitely right. You may find in some spots some things work better like c-betting gets more folds because people won't just constantly station off with bottom pair, but overall, if someone can't beat 4NL, then they're unlikely to beat 10NL+ imo.
FWIW, Dev, I still think you should go back to less tables. If you put in a few hours 4 tabling say at 4NL, then you can still make decent regular profits and you'll have a much better idea of how you're getting on as a player. It'll give you SO much more time to check the HH when you beat someone and they muck (because you should ALWAYS look what they had), writing notes on people, making more player dependent decisions etc.
With the determination you have Dev and the amount of hard work you put in to beat DYMs, I'm sure you'll get there.
Because 2p/4p has more newbies playing on it i would expect the outdraws to be happening more often but if you adjust your game for this it should still be no problem as TINTIN proves every month.
Good Luck.
Daz.
Much more productive to play 4 tables well, than 9 tables badly.
My absolute limit is 7 tables. Anymore than that and my brain just cant process the information quick enough. My comfort range is six tables. But even thats not a given, if I am slightly tired I might run with 4.
I agree you should be playing less.
Perhaps drop to 3 or 4. If you turn a good profit in a fortnight, then add one. If that doesnt seem as profitable, move back down.
Trial and error to some extent, but better to start less
i've played nl10 remember not so long ago,and losing £100 in a session isn't great especially when your b/roll is only around the £300 mark,hence my reason to drop back to nl4.
will get back there again though and give it another go.
dev
agree too.nl4 is beatable just the same as any other level.
if i can beat nl4 then that's the 1st step complete,on to level 2.
dev
i've played 2 tables 4 tables 6 tables mate,and i'm now playing 9 and am really comfortable playing them.
don't forget i was playing as many as 15-18 dym tables every night,so 9 is a breeze. lol
i'm getting more premium hands by playing 9 and it seems to be helping me get over all the cr*p you have to deal with playing at nl4.
i make notes all the time even while playing 9 tables and they deffo do help especially on the big decisions.
ex;
y'day v loose player was raising big trying to buy pot,i went all-in with 66 he called with AK , my hand held..easy money.
it's all about trial and error for me i think atm,so the more tables and therefore hands i play the more practise i'm getting,which is good i feel.
i'll drop down number of tables if needed and would deffo be playing less when i move back up to nl10 but 9 is all gravy atm. lol
dev
tbh mate isn't playing against 5 bad players better than 2?
it's frustrating getting outdrawn when these type of players are basically playing 'any 2' but by playing more tables as i did playing dym's, it is possible to overcome this little problem.
not saying it's advisable to be playing 9 tables at nl20 up,but seems to be working for me at nl4 atm.
as you say tintin and i'm sure others show nl4 is beatable.think he plays around 9 tables or so most sessions too.coincidence maybe?
dev
playing 9 is easy peasy for me mate.
i did a lot of hard work last year building up number of tables ,my max 1 session was 24 which was a 'mare granted,but 15-18 was ok.
all about practise and dedication,anyone can do it...if they want.
dev
sat won £19
sun lost £15.90
very happy with how i played both days. lost a few all-ins as you do but all in all no complaints
b/roll £323.33 down £14.87 this month)
c4p 1089 = £10.89 to come
i've got a £10 e/w bet on John Higgins @ 11/1 for snooker w/champs so even though i'm technically down £14.87 this month,i'm really a few pounds up.
going to continue playing nl10 and working on my game,just as long as the 'big' losses stay away.
my target is to try and at least get to the end of this month and still have over £300 in my account.
night all
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Good stuff Dev!
How many tables are you playing at 10nl? As i said before i am confident you can more than beat this level, you are a really good player and know what you are doing at the tables, you know when to fold and how to get value.
Is it maybe best sticking to 1/ 2 tables at 10nl, till you have worked this level out? I'm sure there is slight differences between the 2.
From my experience, there is a bit more bluffing at 10nl, a bit better play, people are more likely to be making moves (compared to 4nl). In saying that, there is still a lot of bad play, and a lot of situations that can be easily exploited.
You could even mix it up playing a bit of 4nl at the same time as 10nl multi-tabling which would aleviate any boredom. I don't tend to take "notes" unless its really obvious stuff like "shoves after 3x raise with AA". But it might be a good idea to sit down at the table, work out the dynamics, who is doing what, and how they are playing to geta picture on they play before getting really involved in the table just to get a grasp of things. If i have the time, i have now started looking at hands after they have been played to see what a player has, how they bet and what their tendencies are.
Good luck Dev