In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH...The b/roll rebuilding has started,(Target £500...currently £251.48) : Now, I am only going to say this because I dont want to see another trainwreck. I would get to £500, hit 4nl and see yourself play solid and make another £200. Then you could hit 10nl with a £100 stoploss. Grinding up at DYMs then hitting 10nl isnt going to work imo. Unless you have done a lot of work in the background relating to 10nl cash. Happy for you to prove me wrong, but I really dont want to have to say I told you so when in a month it has all gone horribly wrong. All the best anyway. Plus very nice regeneration of your roll. Posted by calcalfold
alright mate,
I hear what you are saying,and i'm listening. it's hardly a train wreck, in 4 months I've lost £130 in my cash learning effort.(which btw included a £100 and another more recent £70 losing session,the 1st when playing 9x nl10 tables,the second when playing 6x nl10 tables), two mistakes i'm not likely to be repeating. I can earn £130 back and double playing DYM's in a month without question. I know that as I did it last year month on month.
and again to show you i'm listening to you and maybe against others advice i'll go back to playing nl4 once my b/roll is back at £500. i'll then try to build up to £600 and then i'll start again playing nl10. if I then drop back below £500 i'll also drop down to nl4 again. now that sounds reasonable to me,and although not in my original plan, i'm happy to go with it.
Haha, fairplay dude trainwreck was probably a bit strong.
Out of interest you seem real good at DYM, have you considered playing the bigger buy in versions? You might be able to crush that for decent ££ as it seems to be your natrual game.
Tuesday 7/5/13 received Aprils c4p £17.72 received £100 (coming 7th in BIGDEAL comp,only played 2 hrs final day,and dropped from 5th,same result) b/roll £369.20 May c4p 1206 b/roll looking a little better now,only need £131 and i'm back playing nl10...again. should get that up hopefully by the end of this month. couple of days off from playing.going to read up on 'the mental game of poker' and watch some play later. gl all, dev Posted by devonfish5
Nice one Dev, well done on the promo, good idea to go back to those dyms while that was on. Its more fun when you're winning. I noticed earlier that you thought you'd not played your best game because of the promo, we're those profits typical for a session, or were you mainly playing to get the reward. Whilst I know its low risk for you, without the promo the returns look a bit small for the amount of effort required. Might drop by and donate a couple of quid on a dym at some point. Look forward to seeing how you get on with Nl10 when you're ready - I think you'll do really well next time. L
Haha, fairplay dude trainwreck was probably a bit strong. Out of interest you seem real good at DYM, have you considered playing the bigger buy in versions? You might be able to crush that for decent ££ as it seems to be your natrual game. Posted by calcalfold
no worries,
got up to the £5's and for whatever reason just couldn't win. the standard is slightly better imo,but you would think I would have been able to work it out,just as I did the £3's. maybe in time I would have had I carried on playing them,who knows. I think the higher up you go the less edge you have,and rake back becomes important,but I know there are plenty of players that were crushing that level and higher,Patwalsh being just one,who I think now plays elsewhere.another being JOHNCONNOR,a name that always scares me,lol, and my inspiration for playing dym's in the first place.
anyway,i was doing ok at the £3,s ... 4 months running I won around £300- £400 each month,so quite happy to stay there. lol
anyway,that's 'the good old days' lol hoping the cash tables will show some improvement soon
In Response to Re: a new year..a new game...CASH...The b/roll rebuilding has started,(Target £500...currently £251.48) : Nice one Dev, well done on the promo, good idea to go back to those dyms while that was on. Its more fun when you're winning. I noticed earlier that you thought you'd not played your best game because of the promo, we're those profits typical for a session, or were you mainly playing to get the reward. Whilst I know its low risk for you, without the promo the returns look a bit small for the amount of effort required. Might drop by and donate a couple of quid on a dym at some point. Look forward to seeing how you get on with Nl10 when you're ready - I think you'll do really well next time. L Posted by lonesome
Hi lonesome,
thanks mate, yeah,happy coming 7th and winning £100 mate. with it being the world snooker w'end I didn't give it 100% as I would have normally
regarding profit; I won £11 odd in my 1st session but in the 2nd session I played more tables 18 or so and played looser than normal thinking it was 'hands played' that counted,which cost me £23.50 but apart from that I think I won most sessions I played,some only a few pence though. lol (lost just 1 other session £4) there were more regs playing I guess than normal,which would effect how much I won,but I was happy how I played and as I said if it wasn't for that 1 losing session,my result would have been pretty descent,i think,for 4 days play. ( to give you some idea who I was up against,you will probably have heard of one or two ...tommyd ,johnconnor ,evilpingu ,supercrazy ,flashflush(I think) ,to name just a few. lol)
yeah,DYM'S can be funny you can have losing sessions even when you might have played well and winning sessions when not playing very well at all.it's a funny old game. I always used to go by how much I won each month and not session by session,in the end.
be nice to see you on the tables mate.gl
thanks mate, yes i'm sure when I return to nl10 again,i will have learnt some lessons from last time,the biggest ones being table selection and not to get carried away playing too many tables. lol
change of plan...again. happy with where b/roll is for the moment,so going to play nl4 for the time being and TRY building b/roll up to my original target of £500,which will then give me 50 buy-ins for nl10.
I could do it the easier way by playing DYM's again,but if I can do it by playing nl4 that will give me somewhere to go if nl10 doesn't go well.
didn't play to bad today I thought. lost an £11 hand to the river,which spoilt my day somewhat,but apart from that about the norm atm.
started off playing 4x nl4 and lost about £18 got fed up with that,so loaded up 1x nl10 table won back about £12
so, lost £6.78
b/roll £357.75
c4p 1320
another disappointing day losing £11 odd in total. never mind though,i'll get over it.
happy with my b/roll so i'm going to continue playing cash for a while rather than the DYM's,like I had planned to for building my b/roll. still got over £350 to play with,which is plenty for 1x nl10 table.
can't seem to find any structure to my game plan atm,and it's changing by the hour,it seems. i'm sure it will all fall into place,sooner or later though,so i'm not overly worried. quite fun really not knowing what i'm going to be doing next. lol
anyway,all for today,only been here for 15 hours or so. lol tell a lie,i did stop briefly for tea.
Nice playing against you earlier! Nice run at the 10nl table
Some good advice from calc. Sometimes i think we over think things, and put undue pressure on ourselves.
Whatever you decide for yourself will be right for you. Would it maybe be a good idea to have a stop loss? Eg Set yourself a limit, if you loss x amount, say 2 bi's it is time to stop and have a break? Maybe leave it for the night?
Just a word of warning, moving up a stake to chase losses will go wrong eventually. At some point you will run out of luck or talent. I speak from experience, it is not pleasant the next morning when you wake up and remember you lost half your roll, or worse. Its fine to book a losing session, all players at some point have losing sessions. The good players just keep playing the same game and dont chase the losses. Its up to you of course, but the better thing tonight might have been to review the 4nl hands where you lost the money. Posted by calcalfold
fair points calcal, I didn't play very well or run well which I believe run together,and I deserved to lose the money I did playing nl4 last night,and the 55 hand I posted up also was a factor,as that was an £11 effective swing,which didn't help matters.(I will have a look through my losing hands and see exactly how badly I played them for future reference.) I understand what you are saying about not moving up levels to chase losses. I thought it was actually quite a good idea,att. I realised I was on a hiding to nowhere playing nl4 so I
stopped playing. I thought ok lets play 1x nl10 table where 1 double up or a grind session and i'm happy. which turned out to be the case,well near enough. i'm happy playing the nl10 level now,and with £350 behind me,losing a buy-in or two is no big deal. had I lost instead of winning,yes,i would have been unhappy obviously today,but I would still have stood by the decision I made. this great and sometimes cruel game we all love playing is a gamble,every time we play. but i'm only gambling with money I've won,so maybe I don't see it the way some others do.
this is my hobby and I look at it that way.i'm not here to set the world on fire,or out to prove anything to anyone,i'm here to win money for sure,and i'd like to follow in the footsteps of others and move up the cash levels,eventually,as Lambert180 is doing at the moment,(well played Paul,btw,). i'll have plenty more losing sessions to come for sure.i know i'm not the best of cash players. i'm learning though and I believe I can and will become a winning player in time. i'm happier playing nl10 than nl4 so it makes sense for me to play there,doesn't it? ok,there is an argument I should beat nl4 first I suppose,but it's not a written law either.
I can always go back to playing DYM's again whenever I feel like it,and 'top up' my b/roll whenever needed,as I've just done, which is a nice safety net to have,knowing i'll never have to deposit any money again,hopefully. how many players have that luxury.
HEy Dev, Nice playing against you earlier! Nice run at the 10nl table Some good advice from calc. Sometimes i think we over think things, and put undue pressure on ourselves. Whatever you decide for yourself will be right for you. Would it maybe be a good idea to have a stop loss? Eg Set yourself a limit, if you loss x amount, say 2 bi's it is time to stop and have a break? Maybe leave it for the night? Welcome back to Cash, and run good! Posted by LARSON7
yes,good fun last night mate,and obviously winning back my earlier losses from nl4 was good. that's a good point,
and I stand and fall by my decisions. yes, I could give myself a 2 or 3 buy-in stop level I guess,which isn't a bad idea. but,and this is the thing,i don't like losing a session,so im always tempted to carry on playing and try to win it back,there and then,and it was the same when I was playing dym's.
maybe I will have to bring this into my cash game. old habits die hard come to mind. lol
'just another old business card I need to make a note on' soon going to need a bigger desk. lol
Hey devonfish you were at one my tables yesterday when i had a 10nl session, i reckon you should just plough through with trying to beat 10nl now as it seems as though motivation for 10nl and dyms is just not there, just don't try to play too many tables, you definetly seem to have a solid game so it doesn't make sense to me that you would have regular big losing sessions, i think 357 broll is more than enough to 2-3 table regularly and just stick with it as others have said just set a stop loss of like 10 buy ins. Probably see you at the tables a bit more often now if you do stick to 10nl good luck.
Hey devonfish you were at one my tables yesterday when i had a 10nl session, i reckon you should just plough through with trying to beat 10nl now as it seems as though motivation for 10nl and dyms is just not there, just don't try to play too many tables, you definetly seem to have a solid game so it doesn't make sense to me that you would have regular big losing sessions, i think 357 broll is more than enough to 2-3 table regularly and just stick with it as others have said just set a stop loss of like 10 buy ins. Probably see you at the tables a bit more often now if you do stick to 10nl good luck. Posted by benc
ty benc,
yes,i'm going to give myself a 2 buy-in stop loss for each session from now on. (so ty to larson7 for that idea)
I've already written off this year as far as any profits might go,lol. as I've said before. i'm happy with my progress being made so far.yes it's not showing in my results thus far,but i'm not overly concerned about that,as I know that side of it will come when the time is right. that could be tonight next week next month,who knows,but i'm confident that it will come. last night changing from nl4 when I was losing, to nl10 and finding a win,was my 1st step back on the right road,i feel. yes it's easy to say that now after winning of course.had I lost i'm sure things would seem different today. I've always taken my poker one day at a time and that will continue forever. my instincts are telling me to carry on and and to play nl10 also,so that is what I will do.
and yes benc you can be sure to find me at a nl10 table later.(only 1 mind you for the moment),so if you're looking for some 'easy money'...come and find me. !!! lol
Btw Dev just incase you didnt realise, i meant motivation for dym and nl4 is not there not nl10 that would make no sense lol, i normally play the two mastercash and 1 normal so may end up on your table every so often but definetly wont be seeking you out, much easier money elsewhere. Good luck and don't let a losing session send you off track just play lots of sessions try not to think too much about profit/loss, just focus on whether your making the right decisions and i'm sure you will be at 500 soon enough.
It all sounds good Dev. You are looking at it the right way. Good luck to you. It takes a lot of courage to come back for round two. And for sure you will give it your best and no doubt suceed. Good luck Posted by LARSON7
Btw Dev just incase you didnt realise, i meant motivation for dym and nl4 is not there not nl10 that would make no sense lol, i normally play the two mastercash and 1 normal so may end up on your table every so often but definetly wont be seeking you out, much easier money elsewhere. Good luck and don't let a losing session send you off track just play lots of sessions try not to think too much about profit/loss, just focus on whether your making the right decisions and i'm sure you will be at 500 soon enough. Posted by benc
ty benc,
yes I made sense of what you said,so no worries. had a go on a mastercash table myself last week,came out ok in the end,but a little scary for me atm. lol best wishes mate, dev
I know, did you see that hand in the poker clinic where i had the nut flush? lol i played it so passive cause i had 200plus bb Bad i know Posted by LARSON7
I did see it mate, yeah,play it better next time. it's all about correcting mistakes... I should know. lol
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I hear what you are saying,and i'm listening.
it's hardly a train wreck, in 4 months I've lost £130 in my cash learning effort.(which btw included a £100 and another more recent £70 losing session,the 1st when playing 9x nl10 tables,the second when playing 6x nl10 tables), two mistakes i'm not likely to be repeating.
I can earn £130 back and double playing DYM's in a month without question.
I know that as I did it last year month on month.
and again to show you i'm listening to you and maybe against others advice i'll go back to playing nl4
once my b/roll is back at £500.
i'll then try to build up to £600 and then i'll start again playing nl10.
if I then drop back below £500 i'll also drop down to nl4 again.
now that sounds reasonable to me,and although not in my original plan, i'm happy to go with it.
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dev
Haha, fairplay dude trainwreck was probably a bit strong.
Out of interest you seem real good at DYM, have you considered playing the bigger buy in versions? You might be able to crush that for decent ££ as it seems to be your natrual game.
I noticed earlier that you thought you'd not played your best game because of the promo, we're those profits typical for a session, or were you mainly playing to get the reward. Whilst I know its low risk for you, without the promo the returns look a bit small for the amount of effort required.
Might drop by and donate a couple of quid on a dym at some point.
Look forward to seeing how you get on with Nl10 when you're ready - I think you'll do really well next time.
L
got up to the £5's and for whatever reason just couldn't win.
the standard is slightly better imo,but you would think I would have been able to work it out,just as I did the £3's.
maybe in time I would have had I carried on playing them,who knows.
I think the higher up you go the less edge you have,and rake back becomes important,but I know there are plenty of players that were crushing that level and higher,Patwalsh being just one,who I think now plays elsewhere.another being JOHNCONNOR,a name that always scares me,lol, and my inspiration for playing dym's in the first place.
anyway,i was doing ok at the £3,s ... 4 months running I won around £300- £400 each month,so quite happy to stay there. lol
anyway,that's 'the good old days' lol
hoping the cash tables will show some improvement soon
dev
thanks mate,
yeah,happy coming 7th and winning £100 mate.
with it being the world snooker w'end I didn't give it 100% as I would have normally
regarding profit;
I won £11 odd in my 1st session but in the 2nd session I played more tables 18 or so and played looser than normal thinking it was 'hands played' that counted,which cost me £23.50
but apart from that I think I won most sessions I played,some only a few pence though. lol (lost just 1 other session £4)
there were more regs playing I guess than normal,which would effect how much I won,but I was happy how I played and as I said if it wasn't for that 1 losing session,my result would have been pretty descent,i think,for 4 days play.
( to give you some idea who I was up against,you will probably have heard of one or two ...tommyd ,johnconnor ,evilpingu ,supercrazy ,flashflush(I think) ,to name just a few. lol)
yeah,DYM'S can be funny you can have losing sessions even when you might have played well and winning sessions when not playing very well at all.it's a funny old game.
I always used to go by how much I won each month and not session by session,in the end.
be nice to see you on the tables mate.gl
thanks mate,
yes i'm sure when I return to nl10 again,i will have learnt some lessons from last time,the biggest ones being table selection and not to get carried away playing too many tables. lol
cheers lonesome,
best wishes
dev
lost £4.53
b/roll £364.67
4 tables nl4
c4p 1263
change of plan...again.
happy with where b/roll is for the moment,so going to play nl4 for the time being and TRY building b/roll up to my original target of £500,which will then give me 50 buy-ins for nl10.
I could do it the easier way by playing DYM's again,but if I can do it by playing nl4 that will give me somewhere to go if nl10 doesn't go well.
didn't play to bad today I thought. lost an £11 hand to the river,which spoilt my day somewhat,but apart from that about the norm atm.
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part 2
started off playing 4x nl4 and lost about £18
got fed up with that,so loaded up 1x nl10 table
won back about £12
so, lost £6.78
b/roll £357.75
c4p 1320
another disappointing day losing £11 odd in total.
never mind though,i'll get over it.
happy with my b/roll so i'm going to continue playing cash for a while rather than the DYM's,like I had planned to for building my b/roll.
still got over £350 to play with,which is plenty for 1x nl10 table.
can't seem to find any structure to my game plan atm,and it's changing by the hour,it seems.
i'm sure it will all fall into place,sooner or later though,so i'm not overly worried.
quite fun really not knowing what i'm going to be doing next. lol
anyway,all for today,only been here for 15 hours or so. lol
tell a lie,i did stop briefly for tea.
night all
dev
moving up a stake to chase losses will go wrong eventually. At some point you will run out of luck or talent.
I speak from experience, it is not pleasant the next morning when you wake up and remember you lost half your roll, or worse.
Its fine to book a losing session, all players at some point have losing sessions.
The good players just keep playing the same game and dont chase the losses.
Its up to you of course, but the better thing tonight might have been to review the 4nl hands where you lost the money.
HEy Dev,
Nice playing against you earlier! Nice run at the 10nl table
Some good advice from calc. Sometimes i think we over think things, and put undue pressure on ourselves.
Whatever you decide for yourself will be right for you. Would it maybe be a good idea to have a stop loss? Eg Set yourself a limit, if you loss x amount, say 2 bi's it is time to stop and have a break? Maybe leave it for the night?
Welcome back to Cash, and run good!
I didn't play very well or run well which I believe run together,and I deserved to lose the money I did playing nl4 last night,and the 55 hand I posted up also was a factor,as that was an £11 effective swing,which didn't help matters.(I will have a look through my losing hands and see exactly how badly I played them for future reference.)
I understand what you are saying about not moving up levels to chase losses.
I thought it was actually quite a good idea,att. I realised I was on a hiding to nowhere playing nl4 so I
stopped playing.
I thought ok lets play 1x nl10 table where 1 double up or a grind session and i'm happy.
which turned out to be the case,well near enough.
i'm happy playing the nl10 level now,and with £350 behind me,losing a buy-in or two is no big deal.
had I lost instead of winning,yes,i would have been unhappy obviously today,but I would still have stood by the decision I made.
this great and sometimes cruel game we all love playing is a gamble,every time we play.
but i'm only gambling with money I've won,so maybe I don't see it the way some others do.
this is my hobby and I look at it that way.i'm not here to set the world on fire,or out to prove anything to anyone,i'm here to win money for sure,and i'd like to follow in the footsteps of others and move up the cash levels,eventually,as Lambert180 is doing at the moment,(well played Paul,btw,).
i'll have plenty more losing sessions to come for sure.i know i'm not the best of cash players.
i'm learning though and I believe I can and will become a winning player in time.
i'm happier playing nl10 than nl4 so it makes sense for me to play there,doesn't it?
ok,there is an argument I should beat nl4 first I suppose,but it's not a written law either.
I can always go back to playing DYM's again whenever I feel like it,and 'top up' my b/roll whenever needed,as I've just done, which is a nice safety net to have,knowing i'll never have to deposit any money again,hopefully.
how many players have that luxury.
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dev
that's a good point,
and I stand and fall by my decisions.
yes, I could give myself a 2 or 3 buy-in stop level I guess,which isn't a bad idea.
but,and this is the thing,i don't like losing a session,so im always tempted to carry on playing and try to win it back,there and then,and it was the same when I was playing dym's.
maybe I will have to bring this into my cash game.
old habits die hard come to mind. lol
'just another old business card I need to make a note on'
soon going to need a bigger desk. lol
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dev
yes,i'm going to give myself a 2 buy-in stop loss for each session from now on.
(so ty to larson7 for that idea)
I've already written off this year as far as any profits might go,lol. as I've said before.
i'm happy with my progress being made so far.yes it's not showing in my results thus far,but i'm not overly concerned about that,as I know that side of it will come when the time is right.
that could be tonight next week next month,who knows,but i'm confident that it will come.
last night changing from nl4 when I was losing, to nl10 and finding a win,was my 1st step back on the right road,i feel.
yes it's easy to say that now after winning of course.had I lost i'm sure things would seem different today.
I've always taken my poker one day at a time and that will continue forever.
my instincts are telling me to carry on and and to play nl10 also,so that is what I will do.
and yes benc you can be sure to find me at a nl10 table later.(only 1 mind you for the moment),so if you're looking for some 'easy money'...come and find me.
!!! lol
gl mate
dev
You are looking at it the right way. Good luck to you.
It takes a lot of courage to come back for round two. And for sure you will give it your best and no doubt suceed.
Good luck
long way to go but will do my best
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dev
yes I made sense of what you said,so no worries.
had a go on a mastercash table myself last week,came out ok in the end,but a little scary for me atm. lol
best wishes mate,
dev
I know, did you see that hand in the poker clinic where i had the nut flush?
lol i played it so passive cause i had 200plus bb
Bad i know
yeah,play it better next time.
it's all about correcting mistakes...
I should know. lol
dev