Another night another list of bad beats as long as my arm for the site that seems to just keep giving. in the 10k BH tonight and this is how I go out. Blinds 25/50 me big blind at 50 with a stack of 1290 againt stacks of over 10K K 10 off and check to see flop Flop comes Q/9/J 2 spades one heart so have flopped a straght and am still down on chips so go all in with what I know is the best hand. Called. by one. Turn 6c River Jh Guy turns over 9 J and has hit a full house on the river. Thats not the only one: Sat for 5kBH in small blind with 2k ish same as most on the table blinds 600/1200 hole cards 10/10 Raise in the small to 1500 villan goes all in with 2150 pre flop so I call flop comes 5 3 5 turn 5 At this point still ahead by a way River comes A Thats 2 in one night but hang on there is more: 10k BH Semi this one Blinds - 600/1200 Me UTG + 1 Me A 8 s Go all in pre flop with about 2800 so 2ish BB called by 2 flop 4 10 9 rainbow turn 9 river 2 Villans turn over A 4 and guess what the magic cards 9 10 suited from the BB. Absolute rubbish. This is the sort of thing that makes me think there are questiobale things about this site. While I sucked out on 888, Full Tilt and pokerstar (jokerstars) never like this. Some real straght things happening if you ask me. All these hand are the only big ones lost all night which cost me my place in tournements. So So questionable. Posted by ZeroG
hand 1 is pretty standard and being a bounty hunter and there being big stacks around they are gonna be circling after the short stack.
hand 2, you have less than 2 big blinds, you are gonna get called with any 2 cards here.
hand 3, same again, just over 2 bigs you will get called very very light especially if people have stacks that wont be damaged much.
i'd worry more about why you have ended up so short in these situations where people are calling you with any 2 than trying to find conspiracy theories
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : hand 1 is pretty standard and being a bounty hunter and there being big stacks around they are gonna be circling after the short stack. hand 2, you have less than 2 big blinds, you are gonna get called with any 2 cards here. hand 3, same again, just over 2 bigs you will get called very very light especially if people have stacks that wont be damaged much. i'd worry more about why you have ended up so short in these situations where people are calling you with any 2 than trying to find conspiracy theories Posted by TINTIN
listen to this man he really does know what he's talking about Zero his record speaks for itself
I don't usually comment on individual hands or player performance, but I concur with the comments above. It goes back to my initial response around playing bingo - there are certain points on the overall poker spectrum where you might as well be, with micro cash games being there together with the critical points in SnGs and tournies where you're short staked and soon to be blinded out.
If you're short staked and on the point of saying aufweidersehen, then you're looking for the most likely best hand to jam with; possibly anything with a 50/50 or better odds is the one? So you'll play a hand with a 50% chance of going out, and a player with a big stack is always going to call, regardless of their hand, as the worst that can happen is their stack reduces by a small proportion but the return of knocking another player out of the running makes it a worthwhile gamble (I use the word deliberately). Even if you come off better, and double up, you're still short stacked and facing the same problem of being the short stacked player.
Reading your initial posting, you stated you've been playing poker for 8 years? Have you not been in similar situations before?
Yes I have been in these position against these sorts of players. However I have never watched a player go all in on so many hands and river every single one, after going out I watched this happen on at least 15 hands for this one player.. Yes I am short stack and the reason being loosing to kk a couple of hands before and the other one being card dead for so long that I am left with no other choice. As for this so called rng that seems to be audited it gave the the same hand 4 times I a row. Odds something that us as poker players love, of this happening is over 10000:1. So starting to make me wonder. I will be honest this thread has been my personal griping ground since experiencing some unbelieaval bad beats. However it does not change the fact that the beats are WAY outside what is considers normal. I might have got myself into bad spot I agree with that however when in them getting beat by what I am now calling river fish when they should not even be I the hand is a hard pill for anyone to swallow.
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : hand 1 is pretty standard and being a bounty hunter and there being big stacks around they are gonna be circling after the short stack. hand 2, you have less than 2 big blinds, you are gonna get called with any 2 cards here. hand 3, same again, just over 2 bigs you will get called very very light especially if people have stacks that wont be damaged much. i'd worry more about why you have ended up so short in these situations where people are calling you with any 2 than trying to find conspiracy theories Posted by TINTIN
Understand that only 2 bb on hand 2 but the whole table is the same yet called by absolute rubbish who I dominate yet they always make the cards. I never get this luck and you can quote variance odds etc as much as you like . This comes down to one thing and one thing alone. Bankroll. When you can afford to lose this money night after night with you massive bank roll that someone has by getting 1 lucky tourney that they win it is easy to sit with 10k behind and win time after time but to get that bank roll without being rolled make the game totally different. Some of the bigger players would do well to remember these players will go else where if they continue to see beats like this. These people need to make the money as well, do you not wonder why sky falls so short on player compared to the likes of pokerstars and 888. Just a thought.
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : Understand that only 2 bb on hand 2 but the whole table is the same yet called by absolute rubbish who I dominate yet they always make the cards. I never get this luck and you can quote variance odds etc as much as you like . This comes down to one thing and one thing alone. Bankroll. When you can afford to lose this money night after night with you massive bank roll that someone has by getting 1 lucky tourney that they win it is easy to sit with 10k behind and win time after time but to get that bank roll without being rolled make the game totally different. Some of the bigger players would do well to remember these players will go else where if they continue to see beats like this. These people need to make the money as well, do you not wonder why sky falls so short on player compared to the likes of pokerstars and 888. Just a thought. Posted by ZeroG
i fail to see the link between having a large bankroll and what you are describing. its more to do with how you play the game no matter what stakes you play. you go on as tho we are all well rolled high rollers which just isnt the case.
first things first, sky is a mainly brittish based company and works in very few markets outside the uk, stars 888 ftp etc are all multinational sites so its obvious why the player numbers differ.
no one has a divine right to be a winner at this game. the percentage of successful players who are long time winners is small (i cant be exact as i dont know). most will have worked on their game, by learning about proper bankroll management (this can be adopted to any level of stakes), some maths, situational play and picking up betting tells etc.
you complain about not getting the luck, well you said earlier you only have a sample size of 5000 hands, its a tiny sample to go on as i can play that many hands in a day, its down to short term varience im afraid and it will feel worse when you are in tourneys because it just takes 1 beat and your gone. if as descibed everyone had 2 bb then situation odds come into play you cant credit people for hands as there is just no play, it really is chips in and hope for the best as the odds say your opponent wont have a hand either.
if you are going to continue in tourneys i think you need to research a bit about tourney play, you should never be getting as low as 2 big blinds, you need to be making moves earlier to keep your head above water. if you have 2 bigs peop[le have the odds to call you regardless of their holdings because all likelyhood you dont have a hand, their J rag could easily be best or they have at least 35% chance of hitting best, i suggest you google for a p[oker odds calculator and put some of your hands into it to see the % chance that you have of winning are. i can gaurantee you will be suprised at how many times the odds say you will lose.
this isnt coming from a player who has a big bankroll, i play micro games but i am a winner, so dont think im preaching because i have a vast sum to play with
I do not believe I have a god given right to win yet when I have manged to go to cash table time and time again and walk away with money with good earnings from it over the course of quite some time yet when the same game is played online get shafted time and time again by people hitting runner runner or that lucky river it gets beyond a joke. Bankroll has a massive part to play in poker. As for commenting about knowing odds etc I can assure you I know my odds when it comes to poker. That is why I say what i say as it does not fall within what I know to be te odds. People hitting 6% chances time and time again, when I don't. By the way do not get hung up on the 5000 hands as since the original post that has almost doubled. Plus what I have played on other sites. I find it funny that even though your bank roll is not massive you can play 5000 hands a day. So by maths you paying about £50 per day to play your 5000 hands. That is bigger than I can afford per month tbh. I did assume you fold or lost every hand. That's £350 peer week yet you claim not to have a bankroll wow. Quiet a bit bigger than most I think. In fact per month that more than I think the sky poker team players get. As I stated before sky need to be careful as if they wish to reach more people and make more money from this more people will question what is going on and a key part of a poker site is test and with me at the moment I have little trust that I am playing straght games on sky. Until I see different people hit those 6% flush or straght draws time and time against some of the other players on the site that trust will not be there.
On to the comment about understanding tourneys, and when to ship. People levels vary I know people that say 5bb is the lowest they go while others are 15. The long and short of it is simple if you have gone in and got 7 2 off every hand you will hold for the better one. This is extreme I know but that's the fact if you card dead hitting nothin you can play. So to be at 2 bb when the whole table is says something, no one is hitting anything. Back to my style of play it is strange that it is always the first thing people are ready to criticise. Yet every tourney I get into is via satellites. If I was that bad I would not be winning them.
Sorry for it being across two message but doing this from a phone is not the easiest thing in the world.
Tintin I do not believe I have a god given right to win yet when I have manged to go to cash table time and time again and walk away with money with good earnings from it over the course of quite some time yet when the same game is played online get shafted time and time again by people hitting runner runner or that lucky river it gets beyond a joke. Bankroll has a massive part to play in poker. As for commenting about knowing odds etc I can assure you I know my odds when it comes to poker. That is why I say what i say as it does not fall within what I know to be te odds. People hitting 6% chances time and time again, when I don't. By the way do not get hung up on the 5000 hands as since the original post that has almost doubled. Plus what I have played on other sites. I find it funny that even though your bank roll is not massive you can play 5000 hands a day. So by maths you paying about £50 per day to play your 5000 hands. That is bigger than I can afford per month tbh. I did assume you fold or lost every hand. That's £350 peer week yet you claim not to have a bankroll wow. Quiet a bit bigger than most I think. In fact per month that more than I think the sky poker team players get. As I stated before sky need to be careful as if they wish to reach more people and make more money from this more people will question what is going on and a key part of a poker site is test and with me at the moment I have little trust that I am playing straght games on sky. Until I see different people hit those 6% flush or straght draws time and time against some of the other players on the site that trust will not be there. Posted by ZeroG
wow what field have u plucked that from, thats almost laughable. i wouldnt make assumptions as they are often wrong. i did state i was a winning player at the levels i play so in reality not 1 penny comes out my pocket. just the same as you assume 6% chances hit time and time again
thru better judgement i posted on here, i'll leave you to believe what you want to. getting into this aint worthwhile as its seems you will always be cynical
Another night another list of bad beats as long as my arm for the site that seems to just keep giving. in the 10k BH tonight and this is how I go out. Blinds 25/50 me big blind at 50 with a stack of 1290 againt stacks of over 10K K 10 off and check to see flop Flop comes Q/9/J 2 spades one heart so have flopped a straght and am still down on chips so go all in with what I know is the best hand. Called. by one. Turn 6c River Jh Guy turns over 9 J and has hit a full house on the river. Thats not the only one: Sat for 5kBH in small blind with 2k ish same as most on the table blinds 600/1200 hole cards 10/10 Raise in the small to 1500 villan goes all in with 2150 pre flop so I call flop comes 5 3 5 turn 5 At this point still ahead by a way River comes A Thats 2 in one night but hang on there is more: 10k BH Semi this one Blinds - 600/1200 Me UTG + 1 Me A 8 s Go all in pre flop with about 2800 so 2ish BB called by 2 flop 4 10 9 rainbow turn 9 river 2 Villans turn over A 4 and guess what the magic cards 9 10 suited from the BB. Absolute rubbish. This is the sort of thing that makes me think there are questiobale things about this site. While I sucked out on 888, Full Tilt and pokerstar (jokerstars) never like this. Some real straght things happening if you ask me. All these hand are the only big ones lost all night which cost me my place in tournements. So So questionable. Posted by ZeroG
Basically how unbelievable does a site have to become before it becomes unbelievable. Been here on sky for at least five years and it ain't the sky I joined. You are absolutely right that the cards you see defy odds. .These hands are built for action. Not so obvious at high stakes because they see far less turns and rivers as they are up against better poker players who make it way to expensive to see a turn or a river. In micro tourneys where most people are staying to the river come what may it does make you laugh when you see the cards come down. Honestly you can predict the cards coming just by looking seeing peoples hole cards. Typical hand aa all in, qq all in, a10 all in the flop is full of paint every time. Usually a10 makes the straight lol. But that not giving anyone any advantage no one is given special treatment. easy to design deal twelve cards and write and algorithm to ensure the flop hits 3 of the twelve cards dealt ready made for action. If you designed it where twelve cards are dealt and 4 or 5 hit the 12 dealt you would continually have rivers making massive differences to the outcome. hmmmm
Lol I like sky it is entertaining but I would never take it too seriously. Never win much never lose much so happy to be a conspiracy theorist. I predict we will lose area 51 if we ever get too close lol.
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : wow what field have u plucked that from, thats almost laughable. i wouldnt make assumptions as they are often wrong. i did state i was a winning player at the levels i play so in reality not 1 penny comes out my pocket. just the same as you assume 6% chances hit time and time again thru better judgement i posted on here, i'll leave you to believe what you want to. getting into this aint worthwhile as its seems you will always be cynical Posted by TINTIN
Glad you got a laugh but lets put some maths behind it. You stated and I quote "well you said earlier you only have a sample size of 5000 hands, its a tiny sample to go on as i can play that many hands in a day" "i play micro games" both of these from this thread.
Micro game 0.2/0.4p games your playing 5000 hands a day as you have quoted if not more.
So 5000 hands is 833.3r orbits of a 6 man table meaning you will pay 6p per orbit minimum. So simple maths shows £49.998. You then times that by 7 as the way you talk your playing every day and that equals just under £350. Times that by 4 for a calendar month and wow look £1400 per month. More than the £1000 the sky poker team get per month yet you claim your bank roll is not big. However the maths by you own admission on what you do and play shows different. You might not win however rule of thumb for bank roll management is to not play more than you can afford to lose.
As for the 6% chance htting time and time again, can you not read the proof is here with people hitting the river time after time after time. There was no assumption in that you can see that from the site. Launch a table and watch it for 1 hour and you will see this happen.
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : Basically how unbelievable does a site have to become before it becomes unbelievable. Been here on sky for at least five years and it ain't the sky I joined. You are absolutely right that the cards you see defy odds. .These hands are built for action. Not so obvious at high stakes because they see far less turns and rivers as they are up against better poker players who make it way to expensive to see a turn or a river. In micro tourneys where most people are staying to the river come what may it does make you laugh when you see the cards come down. Honestly you can predict the cards coming just by looking seeing peoples hole cards. Typical hand aa all in, qq all in, a10 all in the flop is full of paint every time. Usually a10 makes the straight lol. But that not giving anyone any advantage no one is given special treatment. easy to design deal twelve cards and write and algorithm to ensure the flop hits 3 of the twelve cards dealt ready made for action. If you designed it where twelve cards are dealt and 4 or 5 hit the 12 dealt you would continually have rivers making massive differences to the outcome. hmmmm Lol I like sky it is entertaining but I would never take it too seriously. Never win much never lose much so happy to be a conspiracy theorist. I predict we will lose area 51 if we ever get too close lol. snorky Posted by snorky
I agrre with some of this, and had type a post with odds etc but this great site decided to lock up on me and it was all lost and I just cannot be bother to write it again.
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : Glad you got a laugh but lets put some maths behind it. You stated and I quote " well you said earlier you only have a sample size of 5000 hands, its a tiny sample to go on as i can play that many hands in a day" " i play micro games" both of these from this thread. Micro game 0.2/0.4p games your playing 5000 hands a day as you have quoted if not more. So 5000 hands is 833.3r orbits of a 6 man table meaning you will pay 6p per orbit minimum. So simple maths shows £49.998. You then times that by 7 as the way you talk your playing every day and that equals just under £350. Times that by 4 for a calendar month and wow look £1400 per month. More than the £1000 the sky poker team get per month yet you claim your bank roll is not big. However the maths by you own admission on what you do and play shows different. You might not win however rule of thumb for bank roll management is to not play more than you can afford to lose. As for the 6% chance htting time and time again, can you not read the proof is here with people hitting the river time after time after time. There was no assumption in that you can see that from the site. Launch a table and watch it for 1 hour and you will see this happen. Posted by ZeroG
haha, this gets more stupid with every post. why would i fold every hand for 5000 hands, every day of the week. you really are making a fool of yourself with that. what would i achieve with that. please enlighten me. i beg you.
i watch and play enough without opening a random table for an hour to see maybe a couple of 6% hitting to know that it doesnt happen as often as you think it does.
oh and theres no team sky poker so that fact is irrelavant, and the figure you had qouted for that was inaccurate as well.
And once again AK suited against A 10 suited, they go all in with me as chip stack lead on table and call with AK, yet again the river they hit the 10.
This is a joke. Money out delete account time I think, as this is not real poker.
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : haha, this gets more stupid with every post. why would i fold every hand for 5000 hands, every day of the week. you really are making a fool of yourself with that. what would i achieve with that. please enlighten me. i beg you. i watch and play enough without opening a random table for an hour to see maybe a couple of 6% hitting to know that it doesnt happen as often as you think it does. oh and theres no team sky poker so that fact is irrelavant, and the figure you had qouted for that was inaccurate as well. Posted by TINTIN
Sorry now we are getting in to name calling and lets be honest thats pretty childish. I am stating fact from the post you have made, and generally using standard bankroll managements to make the assuptions of not playing above your means. If you would like to call me a fool to my face I will make sure that I am at the next sky poker tour and maybe then we will see who the fool is as I think the only way to settle this is at a table becasue you cannot understand simple mathmatics.
I also notice tht your multi tabling acorss 12 tables at once, so what software you using table ninja, holdem manager, or one of the others. Nothing like taking the unfair advantage against the lower level players.
As for the 6% I think maybe you should look at the table as clearly you are struggling with the a simple concept of the 4/2 rule becasue it is clear that your always on the winning end of the slant. So congrats you have done enough on the site to make sure that it is in your favour. You keep going at you 0.2/0.4 tables and when you finally win some serious money come back and have a chat.
In Response to Re: Been playing 3 weeks on Sky poker and cannot believe this. : Sorry now we are getting in to name calling and lets be honest thats pretty childish. I am stating fact from the post you have made, and generally using standard bankroll managements to make the assuptions of not playing above your means. If you would like to call me a fool to my face I will make sure that I am at the next sky poker tour and maybe then we will see who the fool is as I think the only way to settle this is at a table becasue you cannot understand simple mathmatics. I also notice tht your multi tabling acorss 12 tables at once, so what software you using table ninja, holdem manager, or one of the others. Nothing like taking the unfair advantage against the lower level players. As for the 6% I think maybe you should look at the table as clearly you are struggling with the a simple concept of the 4/2 rule becasue it is clear that your always on the winning end of the slant. So congrats you have done enough on the site to make sure that it is in your favour. You keep going at you 0.2/0.4 tables and when you finally win some serious money come back and have a chat. Posted by ZeroG
i never called you a fool, i said you are making yourself sound like one because of the redic statement s you have come out with, you have worked out theoritcaly how much i would have payed in blinds and somehow linked that to what size my bankroll is, when there isnt that link there. going by your sums i need at least £1400 in my bankroll just to cover a months solid play.
ask yourself this, how much of that theoritical money is recycled time n time again, you have took no account for winnings or anything else, you worked out figures based on assumptions i would fold or lose every hand,
a bankroll is what you have to play with, i do adopt good management, and i certainly dont have the figures that you have tried to band about, people will say keep 30 or 40 buyins per level that you are playing to cover the ups and downs, not keep this fantasy figure because thats what you are going to play in blinds per month. i play well within my means thats why i play at the micros, i have no illusion of granduer of playing for vast sums like some high rollers.
on another note, holdem manager and other programs similar are not compatible with sky, so that arguements out the window.
i must also be a sky favourite, thats why i can win.
And once again AK suited against A 10 suited, they go all in with me as chip stack lead on table and call with AK, yet again the river they hit the 10. This is a joke. Money out delete account time I think, as this is not real poker. Posted by ZeroG
Oh well . . . . looks like SP has lost another customer?
I fed these hands into an odds calculator online (for the sake of precision) - http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem - and got 68.64% -v- 27.15% with a draw probability of 4.21%. So the overall win probability for the upper hand was around 2.5-1. Losing it on the river card does wear thin after a while though. Best wishes wherever you decide to move to.
I dare anyone to keep a track record of their All-ins, and not see it even out in the long-run.
SkyPoker is NOT rigged. They have no incentive to rig it, and it's regulated by an independant gaming comission.
Anyone claiming otherwise is acting on emotion and needs to either: 1) Take a step back, re-evaluate your claims based on statistical absolutes, and move on from there. 2) Take a break from poker, or learn a way to deal with tilt and/or people sucking out. 3) Realise that poker isn't for you, if you can't handle losing a few pots in a row.
Everyone gets lucky, and most likely, you're forgetting the times when you get lucky on someone else. Every time people get it in good, they expect to win every single time, and when you don't it's like the site has it in for you or some bs.
Every time you win a pot must be some form of running-good, because the times you lose, y'all go crazy about how unlucky you are. There needs to be balance. - When someone setmines but doesn't flop a set vs your overpair, that's running good. - When someone check-calls a bet with their gutshot, misses, then folds to your turn bet, that's running good. - When you get in QQ pre for 100bb and the other guy only has AK, that's running good.
Why? Because the times when people get really lucky on us, hitting their sets, their 4outers, or when they just wake up with Aces or Kings, we think of it as a massive cooler set-up hand, looking up to the poker gods screaming "**** you all!". You NEED to realise that there isn't just luck in the form of all-ins. There's the run-good you DON'T SEE. This is incredibly important to realise, because if you don't, you're always going to see yourself running bad, and getting unlucky. You will never take mental note of people playing bad and not getting lucky on you, only the times that they do. This perpetuates itself into negative thoughts and poor deductions about how well we're running.
If someone gets in AT vs my AK pre, the result is meaningless. We played it well, they played it bad, happy days.
If I told you I wanted to bet you all even money, that it will be scorching hot tomorrow, at 1/1, you'd all bet against me, right? You place the bet versus me, chuckling to yourself that I've given you rediculously good odds on what is an almost certain outcome in your favour. Regardless of the weather tomorrow, you've made a good bet. You have gained value in the long run.
Outcomes. 1) It's sunny, you think you're a genius and I'm an idiot for placing money on it not being sunny, and you think nothing more of it. You got your money in ahead, you deserved to win the bet, end of story. 2) I hit my miracle, and it's sunny. You pay up, cursing how unlucky you are, thinking that the weather gods are probably rigged and you're not going to bet against me again because i'm such a massive luckbox, because you should have never lost that bet.
How rediculous does that sound?
That's how rediculous your claims sound when you say that online poker is rigged.
Good day to y'all.
*Disclaimer* - No, I'm not laying even money on it being anything other than sunny tomorrow. Please stop PM-ing me about it, and how you can't wait to take my money.
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hand 2, you have less than 2 big blinds, you are gonna get called with any 2 cards here.
hand 3, same again, just over 2 bigs you will get called very very light especially if people have stacks that wont be damaged much.
i'd worry more about why you have ended up so short in these situations where people are calling you with any 2 than trying to find conspiracy theories
If you're short staked and on the point of saying aufweidersehen, then you're looking for the most likely best hand to jam with; possibly anything with a 50/50 or better odds is the one? So you'll play a hand with a 50% chance of going out, and a player with a big stack is always going to call, regardless of their hand, as the worst that can happen is their stack reduces by a small proportion but the return of knocking another player out of the running makes it a worthwhile gamble (I use the word deliberately). Even if you come off better, and double up, you're still short stacked and facing the same problem of being the short stacked player.
Reading your initial posting, you stated you've been playing poker for 8 years? Have you not been in similar situations before?
first things first, sky is a mainly brittish based company and works in very few markets outside the uk, stars 888 ftp etc are all multinational sites so its obvious why the player numbers differ.
no one has a divine right to be a winner at this game. the percentage of successful players who are long time winners is small (i cant be exact as i dont know). most will have worked on their game, by learning about proper bankroll management (this can be adopted to any level of stakes), some maths, situational play and picking up betting tells etc.
you complain about not getting the luck, well you said earlier you only have a sample size of 5000 hands, its a tiny sample to go on as i can play that many hands in a day, its down to short term varience im afraid and it will feel worse when you are in tourneys because it just takes 1 beat and your gone. if as descibed everyone had 2 bb then situation odds come into play you cant credit people for hands as there is just no play, it really is chips in and hope for the best as the odds say your opponent wont have a hand either.
if you are going to continue in tourneys i think you need to research a bit about tourney play, you should never be getting as low as 2 big blinds, you need to be making moves earlier to keep your head above water. if you have 2 bigs peop[le have the odds to call you regardless of their holdings because all likelyhood you dont have a hand, their J rag could easily be best or they have at least 35% chance of hitting best, i suggest you google for a p[oker odds calculator and put some of your hands into it to see the % chance that you have of winning are. i can gaurantee you will be suprised at how many times the odds say you will lose.
this isnt coming from a player who has a big bankroll, i play micro games but i am a winner, so dont think im preaching because i have a vast sum to play with
thru better judgement i posted on here, i'll leave you to believe what you want to. getting into this aint worthwhile as its seems you will always be cynical
Been here on sky for at least five years and it ain't the sky I joined.
You are absolutely right that the cards you see defy odds. .These hands are built for action. Not so obvious at high stakes because they see far less turns and rivers as they are up against better poker players who make it way to expensive to see a turn or a river.
In micro tourneys where most people are staying to the river come what may it does make you laugh when you see the cards come down.
Honestly you can predict the cards coming just by looking seeing peoples hole cards.
Typical hand aa all in, qq all in, a10 all in the flop is full of paint every time. Usually a10 makes the straight lol.
But that not giving anyone any advantage no one is given special treatment.
easy to design deal twelve cards and write and algorithm to ensure the flop hits 3 of the twelve cards dealt ready made for action. If you designed it where twelve cards are dealt and 4 or 5 hit the 12 dealt you would continually have rivers making massive differences to the outcome. hmmmm
Lol I like sky it is entertaining but I would never take it too seriously. Never win much never lose much so happy to be a conspiracy theorist. I predict we will lose area 51 if we ever get too close lol.
snorky
i watch and play enough without opening a random table for an hour to see maybe a couple of 6% hitting to know that it doesnt happen as often as you think it does.
oh and theres no team sky poker so that fact is irrelavant, and the figure you had qouted for that was inaccurate as well.
ask yourself this, how much of that theoritical money is recycled time n time again, you have took no account for winnings or anything else, you worked out figures based on assumptions i would fold or lose every hand,
a bankroll is what you have to play with, i do adopt good management, and i certainly dont have the figures that you have tried to band about, people will say keep 30 or 40 buyins per level that you are playing to cover the ups and downs, not keep this fantasy figure because thats what you are going to play in blinds per month. i play well within my means thats why i play at the micros, i have no illusion of granduer of playing for vast sums like some high rollers.
on another note, holdem manager and other programs similar are not compatible with sky, so that arguements out the window.
i must also be a sky favourite, thats why i can win.
I fed these hands into an odds calculator online (for the sake of precision) - http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem - and got 68.64% -v- 27.15% with a draw probability of 4.21%. So the overall win probability for the upper hand was around 2.5-1. Losing it on the river card does wear thin after a while though.
Best wishes wherever you decide to move to.
SkyPoker is NOT rigged. They have no incentive to rig it, and it's regulated by an independant gaming comission.
Anyone claiming otherwise is acting on emotion and needs to either:
1) Take a step back, re-evaluate your claims based on statistical absolutes, and move on from there.
2) Take a break from poker, or learn a way to deal with tilt and/or people sucking out.
3) Realise that poker isn't for you, if you can't handle losing a few pots in a row.
Everyone gets lucky, and most likely, you're forgetting the times when you get lucky on someone else. Every time people get it in good, they expect to win every single time, and when you don't it's like the site has it in for you or some bs.
Every time you win a pot must be some form of running-good, because the times you lose, y'all go crazy about how unlucky you are. There needs to be balance.
- When someone setmines but doesn't flop a set vs your overpair, that's running good.
- When someone check-calls a bet with their gutshot, misses, then folds to your turn bet, that's running good.
- When you get in QQ pre for 100bb and the other guy only has AK, that's running good.
Why? Because the times when people get really lucky on us, hitting their sets, their 4outers, or when they just wake up with Aces or Kings, we think of it as a massive cooler set-up hand, looking up to the poker gods screaming "**** you all!".
You NEED to realise that there isn't just luck in the form of all-ins. There's the run-good you DON'T SEE. This is incredibly important to realise, because if you don't, you're always going to see yourself running bad, and getting unlucky. You will never take mental note of people playing bad and not getting lucky on you, only the times that they do. This perpetuates itself into negative thoughts and poor deductions about how well we're running.
If someone gets in AT vs my AK pre, the result is meaningless. We played it well, they played it bad, happy days.
If I told you I wanted to bet you all even money, that it will be scorching hot tomorrow, at 1/1, you'd all bet against me, right? You place the bet versus me, chuckling to yourself that I've given you rediculously good odds on what is an almost certain outcome in your favour.
Regardless of the weather tomorrow, you've made a good bet. You have gained value in the long run.
Outcomes.
1) It's sunny, you think you're a genius and I'm an idiot for placing money on it not being sunny, and you think nothing more of it. You got your money in ahead, you deserved to win the bet, end of story.
2) I hit my miracle, and it's sunny. You pay up, cursing how unlucky you are, thinking that the weather gods are probably rigged and you're not going to bet against me again because i'm such a massive luckbox, because you should have never lost that bet.
How rediculous does that sound?
That's how rediculous your claims sound when you say that online poker is rigged.
Good day to y'all.
*Disclaimer* - No, I'm not laying even money on it being anything other than sunny tomorrow. Please stop PM-ing me about it, and how you can't wait to take my money.