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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910
    BRILLIANT.



    Can you negotiate with people who are certifiable? Ask the EU

    The Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, the one member of the cabinet whose job description is to know nothing whatsoever about Brexit.
    Cometh the hour, cometh the man. And who better to deputise for the prime minister during the latest debate on why the government still doesn’t have a clue about what it’s doing about Brexit than the Brexit secretary himself? Stephen Barclay’s the one member of the cabinet whose job description is to know nothing whatsoever about Brexit. A man put on the payroll for the sole purpose of being kept out of the loop.
    In a parallel, fairer, world, Barclay would be an anonymous financial adviser, whose only success was to have been runner-up in a lifetime achievement award hosted by the north-east Cambridgeshire regional chamber of commerce for being the only person dim enough to have mis-sold himself his own pension.
    Instead he finds himself charged with misleading the country over the government’s Brexit policy. A job he does with ease, as he doesn’t even know what it is he doesn’t know.




    Barclay opened the debate by mumbling that it was still government policy not to have a policy. And he was happy to confirm that, as the prime minister had been taken hostage by the European Research Group, the natural consequence of accepting the impossible demands of the Brady amendment calling for the renegotiation of the withdrawal agreement, was that the UK would almost certainly be leaving the EU on 29 March with no deal.
    Several Tory Brexiters could scarcely believe their luck. They had been expecting far more of a fight than this and hurriedly sought reassurances that their preferred “no deal” was still on the table.
    Owen Paterson wanted confirmation that the Malthouse compromise really was as pointless as his appointment to the Alternative Arrangements Working Group had indicated. Barclay was delighted to confirm this. He had spoken at length to Jean-Michel Jarre and they had agreed that squads of highly trained, armed, badgers were the key to solving the Northern Ireland backstop.
    Yvette Cooper asked whether Barclay was still 100% committed to a no deal even if it meant people losing their jobs or dying. “Absolutely,” the Brexit secretary beamed. No greater love and all that. Besides, it would only be the weak and the unpatriotic who would be out of work or croak. Those who were prepared to hold their nerve would be absolutely fine.
    This didn’t go down well with the Tories’ Caroline Spelman, who was disappointed to discover that her own amendment that had been passed – expressing parliament’s aversion to a no deal – was not being taken as seriously by the government as the Brady amendment.
    Barclay had an answer ready. The only way the government could send a clear message to the EU showing we were a nation that could be trusted in negotiations was to act in a thoroughly untrustworthy way by cherry picking the best amendments.
    Keir Starmer becomes more impressive with each outing at the despatch box. Mainly because he now merely has to reiterate what everyone, except Barclay, knows – namely that the prime minister was merely running down the clock and, if push came to shove, was quite happy to leave the EU with no deal if that was the price of keeping the Tory party more or less together.
    But he is also helped by getting to fend off witless interventions from some Conservatives. James Cleverly tried to claim that May running down the clock was conclusive proof she couldn’t be running down the clock, while Alex Chalk didn’t even seem to realise he had voted against the government’s withdrawal agreement by backing the Brady amendment. This is politics 101. And these are supposed to be two of the Tory party’s rising stars.
    The one flaw in the shadow Brexit secretary’s performance was that Labour had yet to come up with an alternative plan of their own. Every time Starmer produces something vaguely sensible, Jeremy Corbyn puts a red line through it. At this rate, Labour and the Tories are in a race to see which party will split first.
    Thereafter the debate followed a predictable course. It was the same as every other Brexit debate, only a bit more rubbish. The more serious the situation becomes the more it resembles a third-rate farce.
    The only thing that comes close to uniting the Brexiters and remainers is a mutual distrust of anything said by the government front bench. The idea that a minister might actually be able to distinguish between truth and lies – or even achieve something – has become unimaginable.
    It ended in chaos. First Anna Soubry pulled her amendment as the government had indicated it would provide an impact analysis of a no-deal Brexit. Then both the leaver and remainer Tories abstained so that the government was defeated on the main motion it had won two weeks previously.
    You couldn’t make it up. May could not even win a meaningless vote. Which, ironically, in itself had meaning. Humiliation. For her and the country. The EU must be **** themselves. How can you negotiate with people who are certifiable?
    Corbyn immediately demanded that May got to the despatch box to give a statement declaring she accepted that her strategy had failed and that she would come back with a plan that could win a majority in parliament. Which would have been a start.
    Only there was no sign of the prime minister. And none of her ministers was prepared to take the hit for her. Only the sound of a clock ticking to break the silence. May was holed up in Downing Street. Her software stripped bare. Searching for a programme. Any programme. Control. Alt. Delete.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/ask-eu-negotiate-people-certifiable-191401201.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910

    Still Stupid.
    I wonder what your academic achievements, that prove your superior intelligence, might look like.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910

    However educated she might be doesn't negate the fact that stripping off to make a point is pretty stupid to be fair .
    I don't think it advances the debate, but it was topical.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910
    Essexphil said:

    It is worse even than this. Many of the UK's leading employers were routinely placing employees (usually women) on part-time hours (typically 24 hours per week) and demanding these workers work the rest of their hours on "overtime" at 1x salary. This was ripping these people off from 50% of their holiday, pensions etc
    What do you get on zero hours contacts?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910



    Getting less confident.
    They surely cant let no deal happen, but not enough of them seem that bothered at the moment.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,211
    HAYSIE said:

    What do you get on zero hours contacts?
    Provided you are to be regarded as a "worker" (a creation of the EU), quite a lot. If you don't believe me, look up any case involving Pimlico Plumbers :)
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910
    Essexphil said:

    Provided you are to be regarded as a "worker" (a creation of the EU), quite a lot. If you don't believe me, look up any case involving Pimlico Plumbers :)
    Essexphil said:

    Provided you are to be regarded as a "worker" (a creation of the EU), quite a lot. If you don't believe me, look up any case involving Pimlico Plumbers :)
    Ok, but do they get holiday pay?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Ok, but do they get holiday pay?
    Google told me this : For employees on a zero hours contracts, holiday entitlement accrues in the same way, but due to the sporadic nature of the work, it is easier to calculate it based on hours. So, your worker is entitled to a pro-rata amount of 5.6 weeks holiday, which is equivalent to 12.07% of hours worked over a year.

    How do you calculate zero hours contract holiday pay?
    Workers are entitled to receive zero hour contract holiday pay. They are also eligible for payment in lieu of any untaken statutory leave entitlement on the termination of their employment.

    To calculate the rate of holiday pay where you have workers without normal working hours, you can take an average of their pay over the preceding 12 weeks. For any weeks where there were no hours worked, and therefore no pay received, then those weeks should be replaced by the most recent previous weeks where pay was earned.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 176,838
    Essexphil said:

    Provided you are to be regarded as a "worker" (a creation of the EU), quite a lot. If you don't believe me, look up any case involving Pimlico Plumbers :)
    This Pimlico Plumbers?


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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910

    Google told me this : For employees on a zero hours contracts, holiday entitlement accrues in the same way, but due to the sporadic nature of the work, it is easier to calculate it based on hours. So, your worker is entitled to a pro-rata amount of 5.6 weeks holiday, which is equivalent to 12.07% of hours worked over a year.

    How do you calculate zero hours contract holiday pay?
    Workers are entitled to receive zero hour contract holiday pay. They are also eligible for payment in lieu of any untaken statutory leave entitlement on the termination of their employment.

    To calculate the rate of holiday pay where you have workers without normal working hours, you can take an average of their pay over the preceding 12 weeks. For any weeks where there were no hours worked, and therefore no pay received, then those weeks should be replaced by the most recent previous weeks where pay was earned.
    Ok, I just wondered if employers could get away with not paying them.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910
    Brexit vote has cost UK economy £40bn per year; much more than the divorce bill

    If you think Brexit hasn’t truly hit the UK economy, think again.
    The Bank of England estimates that uncertainty stemming directly from the Brexit referendum has cost the British economy £40bn ($51.5bn) per year, according to Gertjan Vlieghe, who is part of the central bank’s key monetary policy committee.
    In a speech on Thursday, Vlieghe outlined that the Bank of England calculated the UK economy took a 2% hit since the Brexit vote compared to where it otherwise would have been.
    “That amounts to around £40bn per year, or £800m per week of lost income for the country as a whole,” he said.





    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-vote-cost-uk-economy-40bn-per-year-much-divorce-bill-121236365.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910
    Brexit puts £44bn worth of business per day at risk, RBS warns

    RBS has warned that Brexit puts its ability to clear daily cross-border payments under threat, and warned that a hard Brexit could have a “significant impact” on the bank.
    The lender said the total value of the 300,000 cross-border payments it makes per day is “typically in excess of €50bn (£44bn) in any one day”.
    The bank is taking action to prevent any obstacles to those transactions, but said that “given the quantum of affected payments and lack of short-term contingency arrangements, in the event that such euro clearing capabilities were not in place in time for a Hard Brexit or as required in the future, it could have a material impact on the group and its customers”.
    RBS said the general uncertainty surrounding Brexit “could have a significant impact on the Group's operations or legal entity structure”, including higher costs if the bank has to restructure.



    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-puts-44bn-worth-business-084100691.html
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Brexit vote has cost UK economy £40bn per year; much more than the divorce bill

    If you think Brexit hasn’t truly hit the UK economy, think again.
    The Bank of England estimates that uncertainty stemming directly from the Brexit referendum has cost the British economy £40bn ($51.5bn) per year, according to Gertjan Vlieghe, who is part of the central bank’s key monetary policy committee.
    In a speech on Thursday, Vlieghe outlined that the Bank of England calculated the UK economy took a 2% hit since the Brexit vote compared to where it otherwise would have been.
    “That amounts to around £40bn per year, or £800m per week of lost income for the country as a whole,” he said.





    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-vote-cost-uk-economy-40bn-per-year-much-divorce-bill-121236365.html

    I would suggest that any Brexit uncertainty can be fully laid at the door of this incompetent shambles of a government as opposed to Brexit itself.
  • EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 9,211

    I would suggest that any Brexit uncertainty can be fully laid at the door of this incompetent shambles of a government as opposed to Brexit itself.
    I'm right in the middle on this issue. There is a perfect storm of ineffective government, equally ineffective opposition, genuine problems that will be caused by Brexit, and a whole host of irrelevant stuff that people will claim was caused by Brexit, when it wasn't.

    We need to move past rerunning the referendum. The people were given a vote, and the Government promised to abide by that vote. We need to leave in as orderly a fashion as possible.

    Will there be problems? Of course there will. But we will survive.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910
    Terry Christian and Wetherspoons Boss Clash in Heated Brexit Debate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzqy6QM7_8
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Terry Christian and Wetherspoons Boss Clash in Heated Brexit Debate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzqy6QM7_8

    Anyone see the resemblance ? or do I need to change my glasses ?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 38,910
    Tikay10 said:

    This Pimlico Plumbers?


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    I think it is a much more effective slogan than "Take Back Control"
  • rainman215rainman215 Member Posts: 1,186
    edited February 2019
    https://youtu.be/sNCRjXz9Kok
    Hungarian FM stands up to the eu.
    Maybe the eu just dont like Demoracy.
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