The crass comment was posted in the petition thread . Remember now @HAYSIE .....funny how people have selective memory eh .
The exact quote from you was " I would like to shoot quite a few of them." With reference to politicians .
I merely said I did not post it on the Brexit thread which was completely true. When did you start debating?
Putting you straight and exposing you for the extremely crass individual you are isn't debating ...now off you go and play . Horrible creature ! By the way , just for clarity , that was me telling you exactly what I think of you .
This is the last time I am doing this. The petition thread was about the fastest growing petition ever, which also ended up the biggest ever petition. The knockers of which you were one, seemed intent on criticism for many pathetic reasons. Like some signatures were not valid, as if any online petition would not include some invalid signatures. Then the 77 year old retired lecturer that started it, didn't live in the UK, which was a lie. Going on to, her Facebook account was not hacked, when neither of us know whether or not this is true. Other criticisms were, murder comments about Brexit voters, The Queen, Idi Amin, and Nigel Farage signed it. I Would not expect leave voters to want to sabotage it. Large batches of the petition signers were from remain strongholds, which was posted as a criticism, but only to be expected.
This petition dwarfed the no deal Brexit one that was running at the same time. This put many noses out of joint.
Despite the fact that you could not prove that her Facebook account had not been hacked, you were adamant that it hadn't. You posted a threat of holding a metaphorical gun to their heads, this post was a Blue Peter one from Madgie.
I would urge you to look up the word metaphorical in the dictionary, as it is key to this.
It was a metaphorical gun.
My flippant response was to say that I would like to shoot quite a few of them. Also with a metaphorical gun.
The petition starter had previously discussed the purchase of paintball guns, and balloons containing chilli powder. She is probably a threat to National Security as far as you were concerned.
I have never, and will never be plotting to shoot any MPs. My response to your nonsense was flippant, and anyone that was not a moron would have taken it as such.
I had an interest in how the petition was doing, but absolutely no interest in the woman that started it, her metaphorical guns, paintball weapons, chilli balloons, death threats, Facebook account, or any hacking.
@madgie1941 2h2 hours ago More a metaphorical gun as in 'she is holding a gun to their heads'. The DM quickly dropped the page, and made no further reference to it.
Lets be clear on this ...you made a horribly crass sick attempt at humour ( no one thinks you meant it obv) revolving around shooting mps and you don't even have what's left of your balls to fess up and say , sorry it was in bad taste . Really ? ...classless ! You know what , it's clear I don't like you , but thats irrelevant , if anyone had said that my reaction would be the same , and I would have a smidgen of respect , if you acted like a man and said " actually , I'm sorry , the joke was in bad taste " .
Just as I expected , not man enough to apologise for a sick , ill judged joke .....no great surprise ..and people can judge you accordingly .
Then the 77 year old retired lecturer that started it, didn't live in the UK, which was a lie. Going on to, her Facebook account was not hacked, when neither of us know whether or not this is true. Other criticisms were, murder comments about Brexit voters, The Queen, Idi Amin, and Nigel Farage signed it. I Would not expect leave voters to want to sabotage it. Large batches of the petition signers were from remain strongholds, which was posted as a criticism, but only to be expected.
This petition dwarfed the no deal Brexit one that was running at the same time. This put many noses out of joint.
Despite the fact that you could not prove that her Facebook account had not been hacked, you were adamant that it hadn't. You posted a threat of holding a metaphorical gun to their heads, this post was a Blue Peter one from Madgie.
I would urge you to look up the word metaphorical in the dictionary, as it is key to this.
It was a metaphorical gun.
My flippant response was to say that I would like to shoot quite a few of them. Also with a metaphorical gun.
The petition starter had previously discussed the purchase of paintball guns, and balloons containing chilli powder. She is probably a threat to National Security as far as you were concerned.
I have never, and will never be plotting to shoot any MPs. My response to your nonsense was flippant, and anyone that was not a moron would have taken it as such.
I had an interest in how the petition was doing, but absolutely no interest in the woman that started it, her metaphorical guns, paintball weapons, chilli balloons, death threats, Facebook account, or any hacking.
@madgie1941 2h2 hours ago More a metaphorical gun as in 'she is holding a gun to their heads'. The DM quickly dropped the page, and made no further reference to it.
Lets be clear on this ...you made a horribly crass sick attempt at humour ( no one thinks you meant it obv) revolving around shooting mps and you don't even have what's left of your balls to fess up and say , sorry it was in bad taste . Really ? ...classless ! You know what , it's clear I don't like you , but thats irrelevant , if anyone had said that my reaction would be the same , and I would have a smidgen of respect , if you acted like a man and said " actually , I'm sorry , the joke was in bad taste " .
Just as I expected , not man enough to apologise for a sick , ill judged joke .....no great surprise ..and people can judge you accordingly .
Not going to requote another wall of txt ...but this is what you say about the AFD:
"AFD members are famous for recommending the shooting of refugees"
This is what you said on the petition thread , which unsurprisingly you have distanced yourself from ..your stupid remark relates to what you would like to do to politicians
"I would like to shoot quite a few of them."
JRM would be first.
Founded in 2013, the AfD has provoked outrage in Germany with its stance on race and religion, and came under heavy criticism last year for posters which called for "Islam-free schools". In January this year, members of the far-right party also staged a walkout from the Bavarian parliament during a service remembering Holocaust victims. The former head of Germany‘s Central Council of Jews Charlotte Knobloch had told MPs the AfD based its policies on “hate and marginalisation”, and said the party had “downplayed the crimes of the **** and has close connections to the extreme right”. The anti-EU Conservative had prompted anger after approvingly quoting the leader of the AfD, senior figures from which have called for refugees to be shot.
It follows widespread criticism of Mr Rees-Mogg last week, with the Labour MP David Lammy claiming he was "promoting Germany's overtly racist party", adding: "Our country's proudest moment was defeating the far-right. "Now we are supposed to sit back while xenophobes, nativists, nationalists and isolationists do their best to tear Europe apart again. We must not let them win."
Another AFD fan? Or a nice old pensioner that didn't mean any harm?
Man told black woman 'when Brexit comes you will be gone' in racist tirade at London betting shop, court hears Seventy-four-year-old denies making comment and calling worker a 'f***ing n*****'
A pensioner told a black woman “when Brexit comes you will be gone” in a racist tirade at a London betting shop, a court heard. John Keogh, 74, allegedly called Anneka Davis a “f***ing n*****” at a Coral bookmakers in Peckham, southeast London, on 23 August 2018.
He is alleged to have told her: “When Brexit comes you will be gone.”
Mr Keogh denied one count of racially aggravated public disorder and a second public order offence at Camberwell Green Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday
Plenty of stories like this to be found , you don't have to look hard . Worth noting , that as much as you would have the guy hung , drawn and quartered , he is pleading not guilty and hasn't been convicted yet . If he does eventually get convicted , I hope he gets a strong sentence. I also think silly old people who post about wanting to shoot politicians on an internet forum , should also be investigated and asked to account for their ridiculous comments to the police.
That would be valuable use of police time, when they are already under extreme pressure.
Investigate light hearted comments made on forums.
My comment was in response to a post that you made, which may have come from the woman who started the Anti-Brexit petition, in relation to shooting politicians.
The overwhelming majority of people that read my comment, will have taken it in the light hearted way it was meant, and with no serious intent.
I will go further and say that I would suspect that you are the only person that would have taken it seriously.
I will save this post and intend to use it in my defence, if required.
I have popped out to my garden, and it would appear that I am not currently under surveillance.
However I will remain vigilant.
Despite my current frustrations regarding the way politicians have behaved regarding Brexit, I have never seriously considered shooting, or causing harm, to any of them.
I regret my comment because it just gave you an opportunity to cause an argument.
This seems to be your sole purpose on this forum.
You never seem to wish to actually debate anything.
You prefer the pantomime. Oh no he didn't, oh yes he did, oh no he didn't. Rather than a genuine debate on anything.
There are lots of important things happening on Brexit at the moment.
Yet you choose to have an argument on the least important of topics.
You are defending a rabid, no deal supporting, Brexiteer for retweeting videos from a racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic, political party with the most extreme far right views, that approve of murdering refugees.
I make no apology for having absolutely no interest in anything the AFD have to say, and neither would any self respecting MP of any party.
JRM only lost his cool because he was caught out in an act of stupidity.
I hope my comments have made my position clear, in addition to my reluctance to continue this silly argument.
Some people just aren't worthy of air time ..so back to the subject
Jacob Rees-Mogg makes SHOCK claim about Brexit Party in LATEST Brexit intervention
JACOB REES-MOGG has admitted there is “one really good thing” about the emergence of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party, which could be set to win the European elections, according to the latest polling. Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose sister Annunziata Rees-Mogg defected from the Tories last week to join the Brexit Party, made a shocking claim about the new pro-Brexit political party. The leading Brexiteer told BBC Radio 4’s World at One: “I think the one really good thing about it is that it has taken votes away from Ukip. Now, Ukip is aligned to Tommy Robinson and I think Tommy Robinson reflects a type of politics that I think is unattractive and not usual in Britain “Therefore, in that way, the new Brexit Party has moderated British politics from an extremist route that we were in danger of going down.
“Am I sorry they are taking voted from the Conservatives? Yes, of course, I am. I would encourage all people at all times to vote Conservative in all elections.” Leading Brexiteer Nigel Farage launched the Brexit Party at an event in Coventry on Friday morning and warned EU leaders it is “no more Mr Nice Guy”.
During the official launch, Mr Farage stunned Tories by unveiling Jacob Rees-Mogg’s sister Annunziata Rees-Mogg as the surprise candidate for his new Brexit Party.
The former Tory general election candidate switched parties out of frustration at the Government's failure to withdraw the country from the EU on March 29 as promised.
She accused Theresa May of failing to match up to the leadership of her political idol, former Tory prime minister Margaret Thatcher.
Speaking at the launch of the Brexit Party's Euro campaign at a factory in Coventry, Ms Rees-Mogg told cheering supporters: "I joined the Conservative Party in 1984 and this is not a decision I have made lightly - to leave a party for which I have fought at every election since 1987, from Maggie Thatcher through to Theresa May.
Brexiteer John Longworth reveals KEY advantage Brexit Party will have on other candidates
LEAVE means Leave co-chairman John Longworth pointed out the key advantage Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party will have over other candidates campaigning in the European elections. John Longworth claimed the Brexit Party is trying to create a “new approach to politics” by rolling out “substantial” candidates. The former BBC Director General pointed out the candidates will not be the “same old career politicians” but instead be people who have “done things in life and been in business”. Speaking on Sky News, Mr Longworth said: “Well this will be certainly be a new experience for me, as I have never been a politician before and I’ve always decried politicians quite frankly. But that’s one of the reasons why the Brexit Party is attractive. I am very pleased that I have been asked to put myself forward.
“The thing is with the Brexit Party is it’s trying to create a new approach to politics so that we actually have candidates who are not the same old, same old career politicians.
“But people who have actually done things in life, who have been in business and have done other things in life.
“I think as the candidates are rolled out for the Brexit Party we will see that there are a lot of substantial people who have come forward.”
Last week the European Union agreed to delay Britain’s departure from the bloc until the end of October after Theresa May wrote to EU Council President Donald Tusk asking to extend Article 50.
Nero Fiddled while Rome burnt ........May takes pay rise goes on holiday.
Yep , she will have plenty of spare time soon enough for walking holidays . By the way , Nigel not taking a holiday ...
The Brexit Party is holding a rally in Nottingham with Nigel Farage and other speakers to be announced. Join the Brexiteer fightback! About this Event Join us in Albert Hall Conference Centre, Nottingham, N Circus Street, NG15AA for 13:15 when doors open to start at 14:00.
Nigel Farage and other Brexit Party representatives will speak. It's not one to miss!
Nero Fiddled while Rome burnt ........May takes pay rise goes on holiday.
What's the origin of the phrase 'Fiddling while Rome burns'?
The source of this phrase is the supposed story that Nero played the fiddle (violin) while Rome burned, during the great fire in AD 64.
There are two major flaws with the story. Firstly, there was no such instrument as the fiddle (violin) in first century Rome. If Nero played anything during the Rome fire, it was probably the lyre. Secondly, the story may be completely false and Nero may very well not have neglected his duty at all.
Nero Fiddled while Rome burnt ........May takes pay rise goes on holiday.
What's the origin of the phrase 'Fiddling while Rome burns'?
The source of this phrase is the supposed story that Nero played the fiddle (violin) while Rome burned, during the great fire in AD 64.
There are two major flaws with the story. Firstly, there was no such instrument as the fiddle (violin) in first century Rome. If Nero played anything during the Rome fire, it was probably the lyre. Secondly, the story may be completely false and Nero may very well not have neglected his duty at all.
Actually Nero was accomplished on the Cithara...not the same as a lyre . So if he was playing anything it would have been that .
Brexit: High-tech solution to avoid hard Northern Ireland border 'decade away', leaked Home Office document says 'The challenges of this work cannot be underestimated', warns memo in blow to Brexiteer hopes of replacing backstop
Any hi-tech solution to the problem of how to keep the Northern Ireland border open after Brexit is at least ten years away, a leaked Home Office document has said. The memo said the cost and complexity of using new technology to remove the need for border checks meant "the challenges of this work cannot be underestimated".
The finding will come as a blow to Eurosceptic Conservative MPs, who have repeatedly insisted that technology could be used to keep the border open in the event of a no-deal Brexit, removing the need for the controversial Northern Ireland backstop.
The memo, seen by Sky News, was drawn up by the Home Office's Policy Unit and sent to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) and the Treasury. It says there could be a possible technological solution but that it would come with a huge array of difficulties.
The solution would involve companies uploading data on goods and using blockchain technology, sensors and automated collection to pay tariffs.
The memo said: "If all these technologies are brought together this could allow a seamless collection and analysis of the data needed. It would also provide the ability to target interventions away from the border itself."
But it also warned of a series of practical problems in introducing the technology, including cost, time and complexity. It said: "The challenges of this work cannot be underestimated... No government worldwide currently controls different customs arrangements with no physical infrastructure present at the border."
Brexit: No deal means hard Irish border, says Selmayr
One of the European Commission's most powerful officials has said that a no-deal Brexit would mean a hard Irish border. The comments from Martin Selmayr feature in a documentary made by ARTE, the Franco-German broadcaster. The secretary-general of the European Commission was filmed in a meeting with senior MEPs in late 2018. "Let's be very clear - if there is no withdrawal agreement there will be a hard border," he told them.
Nero Fiddled while Rome burnt ........May takes pay rise goes on holiday.
What's the origin of the phrase 'Fiddling while Rome burns'?
The source of this phrase is the supposed story that Nero played the fiddle (violin) while Rome burned, during the great fire in AD 64.
There are two major flaws with the story. Firstly, there was no such instrument as the fiddle (violin) in first century Rome. If Nero played anything during the Rome fire, it was probably the lyre. Secondly, the story may be completely false and Nero may very well not have neglected his duty at all.
Actually Nero was accomplished on the Cithara...not the same as a lyre . So if he was playing anything it would have been that .
I have absolutely no interest. Although it clearly wouldn't have been a fiddle, as they weren't around. I only posted it as proof of your insatiable appetite for getting involved in the most stupid arguments.
Well, traditionaly it's a fiddle - but fiddles weren't around them. But Nero, it is said, was to of played a string instrument, most likely a Lyre, while Rome burned to the ground.
Brexit: Home truths - no deal and the Irish border
In Strasbourg the EU’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier said that in the event of no deal "there will be no hard border…" but that "there are going to have to be checks carried out somewhere."
Barely had Michel Barnier spoken than Brexiteers seized on his remarks.
The campaign group Leave.eu tweeted: "Michel Barnier has confirmed that there would be no hard border in Ireland under a no-deal Brexit - destroying the case for the backstop, and destroying the case against a clean WTO Brexit. Will Remoaners apologise for their nasty Irish border fibs?!"
While Theresa May enjoys a walking holiday in Wales, the chairmen of several Conservative associations have hatched a plan to oust her from No. 10 within weeks.
According to reports in the Telegraph, the chairman of the London East area Dinah Glover has begun a petition of association heads to trigger an Extraordinary General Meeting of the National Conservative Convention – representing the party’s voluntary wing.
Legendary Tory democracy campaigner John Strafford said “there has never been an Extraordinary Meeting of the National Convention so we are in new territory. If the meeting is held and the motion passed it would put massive pressure on Theresa May to resign. It does not force the issue but would be quite devastating to her authority.”
To succeed the petition will require the support of 65 chairs, and is said to currently have 40 to 50 signatures. A set of crushing local election results on May 2 will surely force more to sign up, not to mention the prospect of a European elections wipeout on May 23.
The momentum in the nation-wide Euro elections increasingly rests with Nigel Farage and his insurgent Brexit Party, whose performance in early polls – taken before official launch – has been quite stunning. As Farage said in his last address to the European Parliament for this sitting: “I’m coming back – in fact, lots and lots of us are coming back!”
The same might not be true of candidates for The Independent Group of MPs, who have recently rebranded as Change UK. What they stand for other than surrender to the EU, and how they differ from the Liberal Democrats, remains a mystery.
They’ll now be put on the ballot for May 23 without an official emblem, due to their attempt to ignore Electoral Commission guidelines by including a hashtag in their logo. Oops!
Nero Fiddled while Rome burnt ........May takes pay rise goes on holiday.
What's the origin of the phrase 'Fiddling while Rome burns'?
The source of this phrase is the supposed story that Nero played the fiddle (violin) while Rome burned, during the great fire in AD 64.
There are two major flaws with the story. Firstly, there was no such instrument as the fiddle (violin) in first century Rome. If Nero played anything during the Rome fire, it was probably the lyre. Secondly, the story may be completely false and Nero may very well not have neglected his duty at all.
Actually Nero was accomplished on the Cithara...not the same as a lyre . So if he was playing anything it would have been that .
I have absolutely no interest. Although it clearly wouldn't have been a fiddle, as they weren't around. I only posted it as proof of your insatiable appetite for getting involved in the most stupid arguments.
Well, traditionaly it's a fiddle - but fiddles weren't around them. But Nero, it is said, was to of played a string instrument, most likely a Lyre, while Rome burned to the ground.
If you don't wish to be corrected , then the answer is very simple ..don't post anything on here . You know where the door is . You tried being a smart ar$e as usual and it backfired on you .
Many Remainers, still refusing to accept the democratic mandate to Leave the EU given in June 2016, claim that people only voted for Brexit because they were lied to, or because the Leave campaign misled the people. In doing so, they infer that in contrast the Remain campaign put out only reality and truth.
Two years after the vote, it is clear that this is untrue. Here are some of the lies that the Remain campaign put out, many of which have now been conveniently forgotten
1. The idea of an EU army was a dangerous fantasy In April 2014, Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg debated EU membership. The following exchange was made:
Farage: “Forty years ago, it was a ‘Common Market’. Now it’s a European Union that wants an air force, an army, a navy…..”
Clegg: “This is a dangerous fantasy. The idea there’s going to be a European air force, a European army… it is simply not true.”
Throughout the referendum campaign, Remainers claimed similarly that an EU army was a figment of the Leave side’s imagination. However since the referendum, this has been proven to be false. In November 2018, the French and German leaders Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron joined politicians like Jean-Claude Juncker and Guy Verhofstadt in calling for an EU wide army.
Since 2017, an EU initiative known as PESCO (Permanent Structured Cooperation) has been initiated, which is part of the EU’s Security and Defence policy (CSDP), in which member states pursue integration of their national armed forces.
2. Voting to leave the EU would have an immediate detrimental effect on the UK’s economy During the referendum campaign, Remainer economists from the Bank of England to the IMF, warned that a mere vote to leave would severely impact the UK’s economy.
In May 2016, HM Trasury released an economic analysis titled: “HM Treasury Analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU”. The report made some catastrophic predictions of what would happen to the UK economy should a leave vote be returned (note: this is purely based on a vote to leave being returned, not on the UK actually leaving the EU).
Fear
What has really happened? Between June 2016 and 2018, for many metrics ONS figures demonstrate the opposite to what was predicted. GDP has risen 3.2%, not fallen. Unemployment has also fallen by 260,000 (a change in the unemployment rate of -0.8%), as opposed to rising. Average real wages have risen by +0.8%, and house prices have risen by 3.5%. The Treasury called the direction of only two metrics correctly, but still with a large amount of error – the CPI inflation rate is now at +2.4, and the Sterling rate exchange index is around -7%. ( article written dec 2018)
3. An emergency budget would be necessary upon a Leave vote being delivered In June 2016, George Osborne and his predecessor Alistair Darling shared a platform and said that a vote to leave would leave a “£30bn black hole” in the UK’s public finances, requiring an “emergency budget” where public services would be slashed and taxes would be raised.
Osborne predicted that the basic rate of income tax would rise by 2%, the higher rate would rise by 3%, and police, transport and local governments would see their spending cut by 5%, with education, the NHS and defence also seeing “slashed” budgets.
As we know, a vote to Leave was delivered, and none of this happened.
4. Britain would be at the “back of the queue” for a US trade deal In April 2016, the then United States President Barack Obama visited London and made dire warnings to the Leave campaign following the United States’ intentions regarding a future free trade deal.
“I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done.
The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”
— Barack Obama, speaking at a press conference held at the Foreign Office in London
This turned out to be one of the biggest lies in the campaign. It later emerged that the reason Obama made these comments was not because of his personal belief, but because David Cameron requested him to, in order to try and discredit the Leave campaign.
This lie was further debunked in January 2018, when US Treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin said that the UK was “at the front of the queue” when the UK was ready to start negotiations. This was followed by congressman George Holding repeating the same thing in June 2018.
5. The UK would break up following a vote to leave Remainers also warned throughout the referendum campaign that Brexit threatened the constitutional make up of the UK and that Scotland could secede from the United Kingdom.
It is true that he vote divided the nation, with England and Wales voting to Leave, whilst Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain. Polling in the aftermath of the shock referendum result and David Cameron’s resignation showed that support for Scottish independence surged to up to a 7% lead.
However with Theresa May’s appointment as Prime Minister in July 2016, polls reversed back to normal, indicating that a majority of Scots preferred staying in the union
6. Article 50 would be triggered immediately In February 2016, whilst addressing the House of Commons, David Cameron implied that Article 50 could be expected to be triggered immediately after a Leave vote was delivered. This was intended to focus Leavers’ minds as to the finality of the upcoming decision.
“If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away.”
— David Cameron addressing parliament in February 2016.
All forecasting throughout the referendum used this premise, and it was used to predict immediate economic shock, as well as a warning from Remainers that it would trigger an immediate, irreversible process.
We now know this to be a lie. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017, almost a year after a vote to leave was delivered.
7. This was a once in a generation decision, and there would be no going back In February 2015, David Cameron made a speech at Chatham House confirming that he would ask EU leaders for a new model for British relations with the EU. In order to perhaps influence those in Brussles who were reluctant to negotiate, he threatened that should the British vote to leave, then their decision would be final. He therefore urged the EU to negotiate in good faith. He said: “This is a huge decision for our country. Perhaps the biggest we’ll make in our lifetime. And it will be the final decision.
Throughout the referendum campaign this theme continued, mainly from Remain campaigners who thought they would eventually win the vote. Here’s a selection of statements made by Remainers before the referendum:
“If we come out, we are out. That’s it. It’s not politically credible to go back and say we’ve reconsidered, or let’s have another referendum. If we vote to stay out, then we are out, and we will have to get on with it.”
— John Major, speaking on the Andrew Marr show in December 2015
“I will forgive no-one who does not accept the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is by 1% or 20%.”
— Paddy Ashdown, speaking as votes were being counted for the referendum (and when Remain were projected to win)
“There will be some people who like those Japanese soldiers who continued fighting the last war because no-one had told them it had ended in some Pacific island, who will carry on arguing and arguing and arguing. The rest of us, will just move on. Carry on, with the rest of our lives.”
— Nick Clegg, speaking at the Oxford Union in 2015
After the vote to leave was delivered, all of these politicians backtracked on their earlier comments and called for a second referendum with an option to Remain. In December 2018, John Major called for Article 50 to be revoked immediately. Remainers have persistently entertained the idea of a second vote, with an aim of overturning the first (I explain why this is undemocratic here). Their initial statements saying the vote must be respected have been shown to be lies.
8. A hard border would be required in Ireland if there was a no-deal Brexit The Irish border issue was central to Remain campaigning, despite a Common Travel Area existing in Ireland since 1923. Remainers said that in the event of a no-deal, a border will be required in Ireland, either at the insistence of the WTO, or due to the demands of the EU.
Remainers even went as far to say that Brexit threatened the Good Friday Agreement, and peace in Northern Ireland.
This has all been seen to be entirely false. Firstly, the Good Friday Agreement doesn’t specifically say goods or customs checks cannot be made at the border. Emergency border checkpoints were set up amidst the foot and mouth crisis in 2001, and the GFA remained in force. Also, since the Brexit vote was delivered, the British and Irish governments, as well as the EU itself, have said that under no circumstances will any of them erect a “hard border”. In November 2018, the WTO confirmed that its rules would not force a hard border to be put in place.
It is therefore difficult to say who will build this border after we leave the EU.
9. The UK, through Cameron’s negotiation, had “secured a special status in a reformed EU.” In early 2016, Cameron negotiated with the EU for a “new deal for Britain”, which he could then sell to the public to persuade them to vote Remain. Information about this new deal was publicised in a controversial leaflet that went to every household in the country.
image The page from the government EU referendum leaflet saying that a special status had been secured for Britain. The leaflet claimed that Cameron’s negotiation had secured a “special status” for the UK, when in reality, it had not. Several points were already in the European treaties, so were not a result of Cameron’s renegotiation, and most importantly nothing the EU had assured Cameron was legally binding. Also, absolutely none of what was claimed was exclusive to the UK, as the “special status” inferred.
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Then the 77 year old retired lecturer that started it, didn't live in the UK, which was a lie.
Going on to, her Facebook account was not hacked, when neither of us know whether or not this is true.
Other criticisms were, murder comments about Brexit voters, The Queen, Idi Amin, and Nigel Farage signed it. I Would not expect leave voters to want to sabotage it.
Large batches of the petition signers were from remain strongholds, which was posted as a criticism, but only to be expected.
This petition dwarfed the no deal Brexit one that was running at the same time. This put many noses out of joint.
Despite the fact that you could not prove that her Facebook account had not been hacked, you were adamant that it hadn't. You posted a threat of holding a metaphorical gun to their heads, this post was a Blue Peter one from Madgie.
I would urge you to look up the word metaphorical in the dictionary, as it is key to this.
It was a metaphorical gun.
My flippant response was to say that I would like to shoot quite a few of them. Also with a metaphorical gun.
The petition starter had previously discussed the purchase of paintball guns, and balloons containing chilli powder. She is probably a threat to National Security as far as you were concerned.
I have never, and will never be plotting to shoot any MPs. My response to your nonsense was flippant, and anyone that was not a moron would have taken it as such.
I had an interest in how the petition was doing, but absolutely no interest in the woman that started it, her metaphorical guns, paintball weapons, chilli balloons, death threats, Facebook account, or any hacking.
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a metaphorical gun as in 'she is holding a gun to their heads'. The DM quickly dropped the page, and made no further reference to it.
Lets be clear on this ...you made a horribly crass sick attempt at humour ( no one thinks you meant it obv) revolving around shooting mps and you don't even have what's left of your balls to fess up and say , sorry it was in bad taste .
Really ? ...classless !
You know what , it's clear I don't like you , but thats irrelevant , if anyone had said that my reaction would be the same , and I would have a smidgen of respect , if you acted like a man and said " actually , I'm sorry , the joke was in bad taste " .
Just as I expected , not man enough to apologise for a sick , ill judged joke .....no great surprise ..and people can judge you accordingly . That would be valuable use of police time, when they are already under extreme pressure.
Investigate light hearted comments made on forums.
My comment was in response to a post that you made, which may have come from the woman who started the Anti-Brexit petition, in relation to shooting politicians.
The overwhelming majority of people that read my comment, will have taken it in the light hearted way it was meant, and with no serious intent.
I will go further and say that I would suspect that you are the only person that would have taken it seriously.
I will save this post and intend to use it in my defence, if required.
I have popped out to my garden, and it would appear that I am not currently under surveillance.
However I will remain vigilant.
Despite my current frustrations regarding the way politicians have behaved regarding Brexit, I have never seriously considered shooting, or causing harm, to any of them.
I regret my comment because it just gave you an opportunity to cause an argument.
This seems to be your sole purpose on this forum.
You never seem to wish to actually debate anything.
You prefer the pantomime. Oh no he didn't, oh yes he did, oh no he didn't. Rather than a genuine debate on anything.
There are lots of important things happening on Brexit at the moment.
Yet you choose to have an argument on the least important of topics.
You are defending a rabid, no deal supporting, Brexiteer for retweeting videos from a racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic, political party with the most extreme far right views, that approve of murdering refugees.
I make no apology for having absolutely no interest in anything the AFD have to say, and neither would any self respecting MP of any party.
JRM only lost his cool because he was caught out in an act of stupidity.
I hope my comments have made my position clear, in addition to my reluctance to continue this silly argument.
Jacob Rees-Mogg makes SHOCK claim about Brexit Party in LATEST Brexit intervention
JACOB REES-MOGG has admitted there is “one really good thing” about the emergence of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party, which could be set to win the European elections, according to the latest polling.
Jacob Rees-Mogg, whose sister Annunziata Rees-Mogg defected from the Tories last week to join the Brexit Party, made a shocking claim about the new pro-Brexit political party. The leading Brexiteer told BBC Radio 4’s World at One: “I think the one really good thing about it is that it has taken votes away from Ukip. Now, Ukip is aligned to Tommy Robinson and I think Tommy Robinson reflects a type of politics that I think is unattractive and not usual in Britain
“Therefore, in that way, the new Brexit Party has moderated British politics from an extremist route that we were in danger of going down.
“Am I sorry they are taking voted from the Conservatives? Yes, of course, I am. I would encourage all people at all times to vote Conservative in all elections.”
Leading Brexiteer Nigel Farage launched the Brexit Party at an event in Coventry on Friday morning and warned EU leaders it is “no more Mr Nice Guy”.
During the official launch, Mr Farage stunned Tories by unveiling Jacob Rees-Mogg’s sister Annunziata Rees-Mogg as the surprise candidate for his new Brexit Party.
The former Tory general election candidate switched parties out of frustration at the Government's failure to withdraw the country from the EU on March 29 as promised.
She accused Theresa May of failing to match up to the leadership of her political idol, former Tory prime minister Margaret Thatcher.
Speaking at the launch of the Brexit Party's Euro campaign at a factory in Coventry, Ms Rees-Mogg told cheering supporters: "I joined the Conservative Party in 1984 and this is not a decision I have made lightly - to leave a party for which I have fought at every election since 1987, from Maggie Thatcher through to Theresa May.
"I know which one I'd rather have representing us now."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1116077/Brexit-news-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-Brexit-Party-Nigel-Farage-UK-today-Theresa-May-vote
JOHN CURTICE
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/18/tories-feeling-heat-voters-desert-droves-brexit-party/
LEAVE means Leave co-chairman John Longworth pointed out the key advantage Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party will have over other candidates campaigning in the European elections.
John Longworth claimed the Brexit Party is trying to create a “new approach to politics” by rolling out “substantial” candidates. The former BBC Director General pointed out the candidates will not be the “same old career politicians” but instead be people who have “done things in life and been in business”. Speaking on Sky News, Mr Longworth said: “Well this will be certainly be a new experience for me, as I have never been a politician before and I’ve always decried politicians quite frankly. But that’s one of the reasons why the Brexit Party is attractive. I am very pleased that I have been asked to put myself forward.
“The thing is with the Brexit Party is it’s trying to create a new approach to politics so that we actually have candidates who are not the same old, same old career politicians.
“But people who have actually done things in life, who have been in business and have done other things in life.
“I think as the candidates are rolled out for the Brexit Party we will see that there are a lot of substantial people who have come forward.”
Last week the European Union agreed to delay Britain’s departure from the bloc until the end of October after Theresa May wrote to EU Council President Donald Tusk asking to extend Article 50.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1116137/brexit-news-latest-john-longworth-nigel-farage-party-european-elections-eu
By the way , Nigel not taking a holiday ...
The Brexit Party is holding a rally in Nottingham with Nigel Farage and other speakers to be announced. Join the Brexiteer fightback!
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Join us in Albert Hall Conference Centre, Nottingham, N Circus Street, NG15AA for 13:15 when doors open to start at 14:00.
Nigel Farage and other Brexit Party representatives will speak. It's not one to miss!
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The source of this phrase is the supposed story that Nero played the fiddle (violin) while Rome burned, during the great fire in AD 64.
There are two major flaws with the story. Firstly, there was no such instrument as the fiddle (violin) in first century Rome. If Nero played anything during the Rome fire, it was probably the lyre.
Secondly, the story may be completely false and Nero may very well not have neglected his duty at all.
So if he was playing anything it would have been that .
One of the European Commission's most powerful officials has said that a no-deal Brexit would mean a hard Irish border.
The comments from Martin Selmayr feature in a documentary made by ARTE, the Franco-German broadcaster.
The secretary-general of the European Commission was filmed in a meeting with senior MEPs in late 2018.
"Let's be very clear - if there is no withdrawal agreement there will be a hard border," he told them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47966180
I only posted it as proof of your insatiable appetite for getting involved in the most stupid arguments.
Well, traditionaly it's a fiddle - but fiddles weren't around them. But Nero, it is said, was to of played a string instrument, most likely a Lyre, while Rome burned to the ground.
In Strasbourg the EU’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier said that in the event of no deal "there will be no hard border…" but that "there are going to have to be checks carried out somewhere."
Barely had Michel Barnier spoken than Brexiteers seized on his remarks.
The campaign group Leave.eu tweeted: "Michel Barnier has confirmed that there would be no hard border in Ireland under a no-deal Brexit - destroying the case for the backstop, and destroying the case against a clean WTO Brexit. Will Remoaners apologise for their nasty Irish border fibs?!"
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0330/1039471-brexit-no-deal-tony-connelly/
According to reports in the Telegraph, the chairman of the London East area Dinah Glover has begun a petition of association heads to trigger an Extraordinary General Meeting of the National Conservative Convention – representing the party’s voluntary wing.
Legendary Tory democracy campaigner John Strafford said “there has never been an Extraordinary Meeting of the National Convention so we are in new territory. If the meeting is held and the motion passed it would put massive pressure on Theresa May to resign. It does not force the issue but would be quite devastating to her authority.”
To succeed the petition will require the support of 65 chairs, and is said to currently have 40 to 50 signatures. A set of crushing local election results on May 2 will surely force more to sign up, not to mention the prospect of a European elections wipeout on May 23.
The momentum in the nation-wide Euro elections increasingly rests with Nigel Farage and his insurgent Brexit Party, whose performance in early polls – taken before official launch – has been quite stunning. As Farage said in his last address to the European Parliament for this sitting: “I’m coming back – in fact, lots and lots of us are coming back!”
The same might not be true of candidates for The Independent Group of MPs, who have recently rebranded as Change UK. What they stand for other than surrender to the EU, and how they differ from the Liberal Democrats, remains a mystery.
They’ll now be put on the ballot for May 23 without an official emblem, due to their attempt to ignore Electoral Commission guidelines by including a hashtag in their logo. Oops!
https://leave.eu/local-tory-chairs-plot-to-oust-may/
You tried being a smart ar$e as usual and it backfired on you .
Many Remainers, still refusing to accept the democratic mandate to Leave the EU given in June 2016, claim that people only voted for Brexit because they were lied to, or because the Leave campaign misled the people. In doing so, they infer that in contrast the Remain campaign put out only reality and truth.
Two years after the vote, it is clear that this is untrue. Here are some of the lies that the Remain campaign put out, many of which have now been conveniently forgotten
1. The idea of an EU army was a dangerous fantasy
In April 2014, Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg debated EU membership. The following exchange was made:
Farage: “Forty years ago, it was a ‘Common Market’. Now it’s a European Union that wants an air force, an army, a navy…..”
Clegg: “This is a dangerous fantasy. The idea there’s going to be a European air force, a European army… it is simply not true.”
Throughout the referendum campaign, Remainers claimed similarly that an EU army was a figment of the Leave side’s imagination. However since the referendum, this has been proven to be false. In November 2018, the French and German leaders Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron joined politicians like Jean-Claude Juncker and Guy Verhofstadt in calling for an EU wide army.
Since 2017, an EU initiative known as PESCO (Permanent Structured Cooperation) has been initiated, which is part of the EU’s Security and Defence policy (CSDP), in which member states pursue integration of their national armed forces.
2. Voting to leave the EU would have an immediate detrimental effect on the UK’s economy
During the referendum campaign, Remainer economists from the Bank of England to the IMF, warned that a mere vote to leave would severely impact the UK’s economy.
In May 2016, HM Trasury released an economic analysis titled: “HM Treasury Analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU”. The report made some catastrophic predictions of what would happen to the UK economy should a leave vote be returned (note: this is purely based on a vote to leave being returned, not on the UK actually leaving the EU).
Fear
What has really happened? Between June 2016 and 2018, for many metrics ONS figures demonstrate the opposite to what was predicted. GDP has risen 3.2%, not fallen. Unemployment has also fallen by 260,000 (a change in the unemployment rate of -0.8%), as opposed to rising. Average real wages have risen by +0.8%, and house prices have risen by 3.5%. The Treasury called the direction of only two metrics correctly, but still with a large amount of error – the CPI inflation rate is now at +2.4, and the Sterling rate exchange index is around -7%. ( article written dec 2018)
3. An emergency budget would be necessary upon a Leave vote being delivered
In June 2016, George Osborne and his predecessor Alistair Darling shared a platform and said that a vote to leave would leave a “£30bn black hole” in the UK’s public finances, requiring an “emergency budget” where public services would be slashed and taxes would be raised.
Osborne predicted that the basic rate of income tax would rise by 2%, the higher rate would rise by 3%, and police, transport and local governments would see their spending cut by 5%, with education, the NHS and defence also seeing “slashed” budgets.
As we know, a vote to Leave was delivered, and none of this happened.
4. Britain would be at the “back of the queue” for a US trade deal
In April 2016, the then United States President Barack Obama visited London and made dire warnings to the Leave campaign following the United States’ intentions regarding a future free trade deal.
“I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done.
The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”
— Barack Obama, speaking at a press conference held at the Foreign Office in London
This turned out to be one of the biggest lies in the campaign. It later emerged that the reason Obama made these comments was not because of his personal belief, but because David Cameron requested him to, in order to try and discredit the Leave campaign.
This lie was further debunked in January 2018, when US Treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin said that the UK was “at the front of the queue” when the UK was ready to start negotiations. This was followed by congressman George Holding repeating the same thing in June 2018.
Remainers also warned throughout the referendum campaign that Brexit threatened the constitutional make up of the UK and that Scotland could secede from the United Kingdom.
It is true that he vote divided the nation, with England and Wales voting to Leave, whilst Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain. Polling in the aftermath of the shock referendum result and David Cameron’s resignation showed that support for Scottish independence surged to up to a 7% lead.
However with Theresa May’s appointment as Prime Minister in July 2016, polls reversed back to normal, indicating that a majority of Scots preferred staying in the union
6. Article 50 would be triggered immediately
In February 2016, whilst addressing the House of Commons, David Cameron implied that Article 50 could be expected to be triggered immediately after a Leave vote was delivered. This was intended to focus Leavers’ minds as to the finality of the upcoming decision.
“If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away.”
— David Cameron addressing parliament in February 2016.
All forecasting throughout the referendum used this premise, and it was used to predict immediate economic shock, as well as a warning from Remainers that it would trigger an immediate, irreversible process.
We now know this to be a lie. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017, almost a year after a vote to leave was delivered.
7. This was a once in a generation decision, and there would be no going back
In February 2015, David Cameron made a speech at Chatham House confirming that he would ask EU leaders for a new model for British relations with the EU. In order to perhaps influence those in Brussles who were reluctant to negotiate, he threatened that should the British vote to leave, then their decision would be final. He therefore urged the EU to negotiate in good faith. He said: “This is a huge decision for our country. Perhaps the biggest we’ll make in our lifetime. And it will be the final decision.
Throughout the referendum campaign this theme continued, mainly from Remain campaigners who thought they would eventually win the vote. Here’s a selection of statements made by Remainers before the referendum:
“If we come out, we are out. That’s it. It’s not politically credible to go back and say we’ve reconsidered, or let’s have another referendum. If we vote to stay out, then we are out, and we will have to get on with it.”
— John Major, speaking on the Andrew Marr show in December 2015
“I will forgive no-one who does not accept the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is by 1% or 20%.”
— Paddy Ashdown, speaking as votes were being counted for the referendum (and when Remain were projected to win)
“There will be some people who like those Japanese soldiers who continued fighting the last war because no-one had told them it had ended in some Pacific island, who will carry on arguing and arguing and arguing. The rest of us, will just move on. Carry on, with the rest of our lives.”
— Nick Clegg, speaking at the Oxford Union in 2015
After the vote to leave was delivered, all of these politicians backtracked on their earlier comments and called for a second referendum with an option to Remain. In December 2018, John Major called for Article 50 to be revoked immediately. Remainers have persistently entertained the idea of a second vote, with an aim of overturning the first (I explain why this is undemocratic here). Their initial statements saying the vote must be respected have been shown to be lies.
The Irish border issue was central to Remain campaigning, despite a Common Travel Area existing in Ireland since 1923. Remainers said that in the event of a no-deal, a border will be required in Ireland, either at the insistence of the WTO, or due to the demands of the EU.
Remainers even went as far to say that Brexit threatened the Good Friday Agreement, and peace in Northern Ireland.
This has all been seen to be entirely false. Firstly, the Good Friday Agreement doesn’t specifically say goods or customs checks cannot be made at the border. Emergency border checkpoints were set up amidst the foot and mouth crisis in 2001, and the GFA remained in force. Also, since the Brexit vote was delivered, the British and Irish governments, as well as the EU itself, have said that under no circumstances will any of them erect a “hard border”. In November 2018, the WTO confirmed that its rules would not force a hard border to be put in place.
It is therefore difficult to say who will build this border after we leave the EU.
9. The UK, through Cameron’s negotiation, had “secured a special status in a reformed EU.”
In early 2016, Cameron negotiated with the EU for a “new deal for Britain”, which he could then sell to the public to persuade them to vote Remain. Information about this new deal was publicised in a controversial leaflet that went to every household in the country.
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The page from the government EU referendum leaflet saying that a special status had been secured for Britain.
The leaflet claimed that Cameron’s negotiation had secured a “special status” for the UK, when in reality, it had not. Several points were already in the European treaties, so were not a result of Cameron’s renegotiation, and most importantly nothing the EU had assured Cameron was legally binding. Also, absolutely none of what was claimed was exclusive to the UK, as the “special status” inferred.