Northern Europe has some very rich countries with small populations. I’m not sure you’d find a Grimbsy or Scunthorpe in those countries. France by area is twice the size of the U.K., but our population is higher. It’s made up of vast areas for agriculture, that we’ve helped subsidize,as net contributors, so they can sell it back to us.Only ten net contributors to the EU budget. We were in the top three. Isn’t it strange that Germany and France are the only ones with a trade surplus with the China powerhouse.A country that they are heavily dependent upon. You’d have thought the smaller countries would also have a surplus with China for the “ leg up”. But, alas.
The EU doesn't have a trade deal with China. Some of the member states trade with China on WTO rules. We are one of them. Germany do 5 or 6 times the trade that we do with China, because they are better at it. We can trade with any country that is a member of The WTO, and we do with many of them. The EU negotiate free trade deals for the whole bloc. It would make little sense for each member country to separately negotiate their own separate, and different, trade deals with the same countries. The EU currently has free trade deals with around 70 countries, which we can access until we leave. There are around 162 countries in the WTO. We can currently deal with almost 100 of them through the EU, and EU free trade deals. The free trade deals will be on preferential terms compared to trading on WTO rules.
I brought up the quote about the poorest areas of Northern Europe being in the UK, in response to your silly comment about them not all being minted. Anyone running a company that was anywhere near sane would prefer access to a market of 500 million customers.
Because there might not be much of the economies left to negotiate. Revisit this comment in two or three months time. I hope I’m wrong.
Lots of companies that manage to survive through the coronavirus, will be done in by Boris and his Brexit deal.
Still not bothering with any questions?
Sure. What’s the Boris Brexit deal again?
You could also address this one, as you brought it up?
It is no secret that we are an ageing population, and the NHS will need more funding to cover the increasing costs.
The loss of beds, staff, and cutbacks in social care have added pressure to the smooth running of the service.
The NHS has also faced criticisms in many areas.
Until very recently they were the worlds largest purchaser of fax machines. Ridiculous.
Matt Hancock then made them the worlds largest purchaser of refrigerators, just in case we end up with a no deal Brexit.
There was a recent programme on BBC, which focused on the billions that the NHS lose due to being ripped off by staff.
Doctors are forced to send home patients that aren't fit for release, after weighing up the needs of patients requiring admission against those of the current bed occupants.
Many patients are released that are unable to fend for themselves, due to social care cutbacks.
Many patients block beds that don't need medical treatment, but cant be released because a lack of home care being available.
The NHS restrict the payment made to the private companies for operations, to the actual costs that the NHS charges itself. Yet the private companies make millions at these prices.
Compensation claims are rising.
Many surgeons are restricting their working hours due to an anomaly in their personal taxation meaning that they earn less by increasing their working hours. Therefore increasing waiting lists. How long does it take to resolve this issue?
The Tories response seems to be the abandonment of targets, rather than attempting any improvement.
I could go on and on.
The bottom line is that we will continue to be an aging population, the NHS is poorly run, during the last 10 years the Tories have made it worse, cuts in social care have increased the pressure.
The love of an NHS by the general public, is hard to explain, as it seems to lurch from one disaster to the next.
Don’t think people love the NHS, they’re just glad it’s there.
When I commented on Boris and the prospects of a sh1t deal with the EU, your response was that the BoE may drop interest rates, which may improve things. I am not going to argue about interest rates. I merely said that the dropping of interest rates was irrelevant to the argument. Boris could get a better deal with the EU, and in addition the BoE could still drop interest rates.
Your bigger market theory is a bit flawed. There might be bigger population in the EU , but they’re not all minted.
You make me laugh on times.
The UK has 9 out of the 10 poorest regions in northern Europe www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/the-uk-has-9-out... 06/06/2018 · The UK has 9 out of the 10 poorest regions in northern Europe. West Wales, Durham and Tees Valley, South Yorkshire and Northern Ireland all rank highly as the poorest areas in Europe in a report by Inequality Briefing. The report notes that despite Britain having a similar economic make-up to its northern European counterparts,.
Over here financing means you can have nearly what you want. Not exactly the same in all EU countries. Who over here buys a new car for cash. Most get finance for three years, then trade in. That’s why the foreign owners like the U.K.,as long as the finance is there, the consumer buys.
Are you really saying that there are no prosperous areas in Europe, and no finance ia available?
If that is the best you can do, I must admit that your earlier decision to avoid any questions was a correct one.
Most countries have poorer regions. So if the EU have a larger population, they’ll have more poorer people in total. You’re talking about the whole EU population.
I am talking about the size of the market.
Don’t forget we’re “ leveling up” , but highly likely we’ll be leveling down.
We are levelling up by forcing The Cabinet to use Yorkshire tea bags.
You’re getting a touch bitter lately, I might give you a rest. I’ve answered numerous questions of yours, but we take different views on things. You’re doom and gloom, I’m a little more optimistic.
I would admire your optimism, if any of it was based on facts.
It’s not just Boris, it’s a team of negotiators+others. You’re obsessed with holding Boris to account for some reason.
Who are the negotiators accountable to? Who made the decision on the starting point of negotiations? I am not sure that you understand that Boris demanding complete divergence results in a sh1t deal. Divergence and good deal cannot be used in the same sentence. That is a fact. Its doesn't mean wait and see, it is a fact. Boris only had a mandate to leave, he had no mandate to crash our economy.
If you had answered the questions that were asked we could have had a proper debate.
In big letters for you. I SAID THE BOE DID NOT MOVE ON INTEREST RATES WHEN THEY COULD HAVE. CARNEY ORIGINALLY SAID HE WOULD MOVE WHEN THE UNEMPLOYMENT HIT HIS TARGET, IT HIT HIS TARGET. THEN HE MOVED HIS GOALPOSTS TO THE INFLATION RATE. ON HIS BOOKS, THE INFLATION WAS IN LINE. HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED RAISING INTEREST RATES YEARS AGO, THEN YOU HAVE MORE WIGGLE ROOM WHEN THINGS GO TIT S UP. I E, BULLETS. THE BOE ARE SCARED OF THE AFFECT RAISING RATES WOULD HAVE ON THE HOUSING MARKET.SO THEY DID NOT RAISE RATES.= NO BULLETS NOW.
When I first started saving, I’d get 12% on my savings. Today,the powers don’t want you to save, they want you to spend. Keeps the money moving about.
In big letters for you. I SAID THE BOE DID NOT MOVE ON INTEREST RATES WHEN THEY COULD HAVE. CARNEY ORIGINALLY SAID HE WOULD MOVE WHEN THE UNEMPLOYMENT HIT HIS TARGET, IT HIT HIS TARGET. THEN HE MOVED HIS GOALPOSTS TO THE INFLATION RATE. ON HIS BOOKS, THE INFLATION WAS IN LINE. HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED RAISING INTEREST RATES YEARS AGO, THEN YOU HAVE MORE WIGGLE ROOM WHEN THINGS GO TIT S UP. I E, BULLETS. THE BOE ARE SCARED OF THE AFFECT RAISING RATES WOULD HAVE ON THE HOUSING MARKET.SO THEY DID NOT RAISE RATES.= NO BULLETS NOW.
When I first started saving, I’d get 12% on my savings. Today,the powers don’t want you to save, they want you to spend. Keeps the money moving about.
We were discussing the Brexit deal. Whether or not the interest rates could be adjusted to affect the economy, was irrelevant to that argument. The Brexit deal is one thing, interest rates are another. We have the opportunity to choose a deal which causes less damage to the economy, or one that will cause significant damage. Boris has chosen a path that will lead to the most damage. You cant argue that a sh1t deal could be somehow improved by increasing or reducing interest rates. Common sense dictates that you would choose a better deal and improve it further by adjusting interest rates.
I don't want to get into an argument about interest rates because that would be a different thread. However, the other side to your argument, is that I can remember when the mortgage rate was fifteen and a half percent. My mortgage doubled over 12 or 15 months. Raising rates is good for savers, not for borrowers. Increasing the mortgage rate takes money out of millions of peoples pockets, and has an effect on many businesses. People become more cautious, and have less to spend.
We should choose the best Brexit deal we can get, not the worst.
The reason for me following it , I worked for property developers,they borrowed huge sums of money.
Why do you think it is relevant?
Interest rates going up or down can affect the property market bigtime. The developers have had a field day for years. The loans the guys I’ve worked have had in the past, aren’t mortgages. Shorter term loans, more risk, higher rate.
Changes to interest rates won’t matter anyway with the scale of what’s about to occur with this virus. Normally you use them for troubled times,but this current trouble is of the charts.
The reason for me following it , I worked for property developers,they borrowed huge sums of money.
Why do you think it is relevant?
Interest rates going up or down can affect the property market bigtime. The developers have had a field day for years. The loans the guys I’ve worked have had in the past, aren’t mortgages. Shorter term loans, more risk, higher rate.
Changes to interest rates won’t matter anyway with the scale of what’s about to occur with this virus. Normally you use them for troubled times,but this current trouble is of the charts.
Why on earth would you bring up interest rates over and over again, and finally admit that they are irrelevant?
The reason for me following it , I worked for property developers,they borrowed huge sums of money.
Why do you think it is relevant?
Interest rates going up or down can affect the property market bigtime. The developers have had a field day for years. The loans the guys I’ve worked have had in the past, aren’t mortgages. Shorter term loans, more risk, higher rate.
Changes to interest rates won’t matter anyway with the scale of what’s about to occur with this virus. Normally you use them for troubled times,but this current trouble is of the charts.
The reason for me following it , I worked for property developers,they borrowed huge sums of money.
Why do you think it is relevant?
Interest rates going up or down can affect the property market bigtime. The developers have had a field day for years. The loans the guys I’ve worked have had in the past, aren’t mortgages. Shorter term loans, more risk, higher rate.
Changes to interest rates won’t matter anyway with the scale of what’s about to occur with this virus. Normally you use them for troubled times,but this current trouble is of the charts.
I should have been clearer, and asked why you thought this was relevant to Brexit negotiations?
In big letters for you. I SAID THE BOE DID NOT MOVE ON INTEREST RATES WHEN THEY COULD HAVE. CARNEY ORIGINALLY SAID HE WOULD MOVE WHEN THE UNEMPLOYMENT HIT HIS TARGET, IT HIT HIS TARGET. THEN HE MOVED HIS GOALPOSTS TO THE INFLATION RATE. ON HIS BOOKS, THE INFLATION WAS IN LINE. HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED RAISING INTEREST RATES YEARS AGO, THEN YOU HAVE MORE WIGGLE ROOM WHEN THINGS GO TIT S UP. I E, BULLETS. THE BOE ARE SCARED OF THE AFFECT RAISING RATES WOULD HAVE ON THE HOUSING MARKET.SO THEY DID NOT RAISE RATES.= NO BULLETS NOW.
When I first started saving, I’d get 12% on my savings. Today,the powers don’t want you to save, they want you to spend. Keeps the money moving about.
You are still avoiding them?
We will see if your post is true.
Do you think we should remain closely aligned and protect the economy, or diverge and purposely damage it?
And why?
Do you think Boris has a mandate to diverge?
If so where from?
Does leaving with a Norway plus deal, still amount to leaving?
As we already conduct some checks between NI, and UK, which are done on the ferries to avoid delays. Do you think that in the light of the fact that we are about to employ 50,000 staff to process the additional post Brexit paperwork, in addition to a large number of extra Customs Officers. That we may have chosen to employ extra staff to carry out checks on the ferries, and therefore avoid delays, in order to avoid drug, and people smuggling, that this could have been implemented many years ago, and avoided any dead bodies turning up in trucks?
Do you agree that we didn't need to leave the EU, to provide more protection for our borders?
The Tory Party was fairly recently conducting an ABB campaign. This stood for anyone but Boris. What changed?
Boris has made it clear that he will not extend the EU trade negotiations past the end of December. Do you agree with this?
Or do you think he should focus on the best deal for the UK, however long that takes?
Do you think we will attract many foreign manufacturers to the UK, post Brexit. Or do you think that they will be more likely to set up in Europe, to access a bigger market?
Boris Johnson spent nearly £1,000 ferrying Brexit deal around in chauffeur-driven car Document was given red carpet treatment
Boris Johnson's Brexit deal was ferried around in a chauffeur-driven car to be signed, at the cost to the taxpayer of over £900, its has been revealed. The withdrawal agreement was taken from Brussels to London and back again by high-speed Eurostar train, with no expense spared, according to receipts uncovered by The Independent.
A freedom of information request found the total cost of transporting the document was £902.56, money which came out of the existing Foreign Office budget.
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Some of the member states trade with China on WTO rules.
We are one of them.
Germany do 5 or 6 times the trade that we do with China, because they are better at it.
We can trade with any country that is a member of The WTO, and we do with many of them.
The EU negotiate free trade deals for the whole bloc.
It would make little sense for each member country to separately negotiate their own separate, and different, trade deals with the same countries.
The EU currently has free trade deals with around 70 countries, which we can access until we leave.
There are around 162 countries in the WTO.
We can currently deal with almost 100 of them through the EU, and EU free trade deals.
The free trade deals will be on preferential terms compared to trading on WTO rules.
I brought up the quote about the poorest areas of Northern Europe being in the UK, in response to your silly comment about them not all being minted.
Anyone running a company that was anywhere near sane would prefer access to a market of 500 million customers.
I am not going to argue about interest rates.
I merely said that the dropping of interest rates was irrelevant to the argument.
Boris could get a better deal with the EU, and in addition the BoE could still drop interest rates.
Who made the decision on the starting point of negotiations?
I am not sure that you understand that Boris demanding complete divergence results in a sh1t deal.
Divergence and good deal cannot be used in the same sentence.
That is a fact.
Its doesn't mean wait and see, it is a fact.
Boris only had a mandate to leave, he had no mandate to crash our economy.
If you had answered the questions that were asked we could have had a proper debate.
I SAID THE BOE DID NOT MOVE ON INTEREST RATES WHEN THEY COULD HAVE.
CARNEY ORIGINALLY SAID HE WOULD MOVE WHEN THE UNEMPLOYMENT HIT HIS TARGET, IT HIT HIS TARGET. THEN HE MOVED HIS GOALPOSTS TO THE INFLATION RATE.
ON HIS BOOKS, THE INFLATION WAS IN LINE.
HE SHOULD HAVE STARTED RAISING INTEREST RATES YEARS AGO, THEN YOU HAVE MORE WIGGLE ROOM WHEN THINGS GO TIT S UP. I E, BULLETS.
THE BOE ARE SCARED OF THE AFFECT RAISING RATES WOULD HAVE ON THE HOUSING MARKET.SO THEY DID NOT RAISE RATES.= NO BULLETS NOW.
When I first started saving, I’d get 12% on my savings.
Today,the powers don’t want you to save, they want you to spend. Keeps the money moving about.
No, I never saw Prince Andrew .
Whether or not the interest rates could be adjusted to affect the economy, was irrelevant to that argument.
The Brexit deal is one thing, interest rates are another.
We have the opportunity to choose a deal which causes less damage to the economy, or one that will cause significant damage.
Boris has chosen a path that will lead to the most damage.
You cant argue that a sh1t deal could be somehow improved by increasing or reducing interest rates.
Common sense dictates that you would choose a better deal and improve it further by adjusting interest rates.
I don't want to get into an argument about interest rates because that would be a different thread.
However, the other side to your argument, is that I can remember when the mortgage rate was fifteen and a half percent.
My mortgage doubled over 12 or 15 months.
Raising rates is good for savers, not for borrowers.
Increasing the mortgage rate takes money out of millions of peoples pockets, and has an effect on many businesses.
People become more cautious, and have less to spend.
We should choose the best Brexit deal we can get, not the worst.
The developers have had a field day for years.
The loans the guys I’ve worked have had in the past, aren’t mortgages. Shorter term loans, more risk, higher rate.
Changes to interest rates won’t matter anyway with the scale of what’s about to occur with this virus.
Normally you use them for troubled times,but this current trouble is of the charts.
The EU has 27?
Watch out for the euro bonds, and how the EU address that issue.
We will see if your post is true.
Do you think we should remain closely aligned and protect the economy, or diverge and purposely damage it?
And why?
Do you think Boris has a mandate to diverge?
If so where from?
Does leaving with a Norway plus deal, still amount to leaving?
As we already conduct some checks between NI, and UK, which are done on the ferries to avoid delays. Do you think that in the light of the fact that we are about to employ 50,000 staff to process the additional post Brexit paperwork, in addition to a large number of extra Customs Officers. That we may have chosen to employ extra staff to carry out checks on the ferries, and therefore avoid delays, in order to avoid drug, and people smuggling, that this could have been implemented many years ago, and avoided any dead bodies turning up in trucks?
Do you agree that we didn't need to leave the EU, to provide more protection for our borders?
The Tory Party was fairly recently conducting an ABB campaign. This stood for anyone but Boris. What changed?
Boris has made it clear that he will not extend the EU trade negotiations past the end of December. Do you agree with this?
Or do you think he should focus on the best deal for the UK, however long that takes?
Do you think we will attract many foreign manufacturers to the UK, post Brexit. Or do you think that they will be more likely to set up in Europe, to access a bigger market?
Boris Johnson spent nearly £1,000 ferrying Brexit deal around in chauffeur-driven car
Document was given red carpet treatment
Boris Johnson's Brexit deal was ferried around in a chauffeur-driven car to be signed, at the cost to the taxpayer of over £900, its has been revealed.
The withdrawal agreement was taken from Brussels to London and back again by high-speed Eurostar train, with no expense spared, according to receipts uncovered by The Independent.
A freedom of information request found the total cost of transporting the document was £902.56, money which came out of the existing Foreign Office budget.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-withdrawal-agreement-eurostar-chauffeur-driven-car-a9401526.html