I would love the intoduction of a Sky Points shop, like a lot of other sites offer.
This would give every individual the chance to choose what they wish to spend their points on whether it be merchandise, cash bonuses, reload bonuses, MTT tickets etc, etc.
If the points could be carried over month to month you would then have the option to save for bigger rewards.
With respect to Tommy,Scotty and Jackally u was hardly goin to be against it was you. Dont bite the hand that feeds. Posted by REDARROW61
Please clarify what you mean by this Sir. We could be talking about another site I never put a penny on and I'd still say the same about the change. What exactly are you implying?
my last post on the subject, thanks for that reply sky , cash players wont be much worse off all im asking is you can look at a way of helping us dym players has if u look is a massive drop in c4p thanks again my head is battered has im not usally a poster on here i think dym next month will take a big hit on the higher games so i ask all regs lets go for it this month im going for 40k points to say farwell dym r.i p
Yep, everyone has an opinion, and i expressed mine, is there a problem. i said with respect if u read,as u all can see this is generating alot of emotion on all sides.
I earn about 250-400 points every month and play up to £5 mtts/sngs. The bonus will help me maintain my small br, which enables me to pick from a wider range of games and structures. I like the change!
With respect to Tommy,Scotty and Jackally u was hardly goin to be against it was you. Dont bite the hand that feeds. Posted by REDARROW61
In reality, I have every reason to be negative about this change. I have graphed the new system vs old, and the only point it benefits me is if, at the end of the month, I finish between 10,000 and 11,999 points - and then only marginally.
Most of the time it will be slightly negative (-£10 - -£50), and in two areas significantly negative (16,000 to 19,999 pointsa, and 24,000 points+. I also play a chunk of SNG's every month, and will lose a little from the changes regarding these.
But I look at it like this. It's a free market. I like playing on Skypoker, but I'm not tied, or contracted to play here, and there are lots of other places to play, if I so wish. Therefore, why should I get upset. When I went to Sainsbury's last week, and my shopping cost me loads more than it normally does at Morrison's, I didn't go and rant at the manager, (or the attractive blonde girl on the till!), I just vowed not to do my shopping there again, and will go back to Morrison's this week.
I can understand the SNG players being a little bit miffed, but effectively they've been overpaid for the last 3 or 4 years (when compared to cash/MTT players), and should be happy they've made hay...etc.... They know their choices. Up to them what they do.
cant see how your saying it is fair for all really theres a big chunk in the middle that play on sky day in day out that it is making alot worse for and it really is bad you cant look at it as it is a bonus as its not, as for looking at other stuff to add when will this be coming in really do think this is just a kick in the nuts for a chunk of sky's loyal customers Posted by ckd
Naturally we disagree. We will still be rewarding loyal customers and more of them too. There will be some that get less but many more will get more.
We do feel it is fairer than it was before, taken as a whole.
Can I ask who is going to benefit from the new system? Posted by Donttelmum
so you havent bothered to read the thread? and have zero interest for the liquidity of the site, as long as you get your extra £50 a week all is well. The change is only going to benefit 95-99% of the player pool on sky, but yeah WHO IS this going to benefit from this change :loopy:
Very good point (jackally) where cash is concerned it is very emotive when there are winners and losers.We all have a choice and im sure in a couple of months all will be forgotton for people that stay and play.My post was not intended to offend(apologies if it did).
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : Naturally we disagree. We will still be rewarding loyal customers and more of them too. There will be some that get less but many more will get more. We do feel it is fairer than it was before, taken as a whole. Posted by Sky_Poker
well time will tell wont it but dont think it is fair for all and think sky has just dumped on olot of it's reg players to focus on trying to draw new player's at the cost of losing what they have
i will focus my time on being a rec player on sky now and take the rest to somewhere else as this is what sky seem to want... a site full of rec and cash players
Very good point (jackally) where cash is concerned it is very emotive when there are winners and losers.We all have a choice and im sure in a couple of months all will be forgotton for people that stay and play.My post was not intended to offend(apologies if it did). Posted by REDARROW61
Definitely didn't offend....different points of view are healthy, and it's good to have a sensible debate about things like this.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker Rewards : well time will tell wont it but dont think it is fair for all and think sky has just dumped on olot of it's reg players to focus on trying to draw new player's at the cost of losing what they have i will focus my time on being a rec player on sky now and take the rest to somewhere else as this is what sky seem to want... a site full of rec and cash players Posted by ckd
I assume from the whining your a dym player? Youve been overpaid dramatically compared to cash players for years in terms of cash-back despite paying dramtically less in rake (recieving almost double the points per pound spent in rake). Just a standard selfish thought process because your own personal gain suffers for the good of the overall game.
ooOH, another dimension to the game. Sounds exciting. Bring in more players, give them more money FTW.
Mass tablers leak more with their strategy than they make with C4P. Stop mass tabling, fix your leaks and you'll be far better off in the long run as well as a better player..
Think this is a good move by Sky :-), IMO the recreational players are the most loyal as I think most regs would leave Sky if a new site opened which was 3x softer (Facebook maybe lol).
Sky's main strength has always been it's community and that it's a fun/ safe place to play, it's target audience should be new and casual players and leave the pro grinders to the big site's.
Of course everyone will have there own views on this. I personaly and this comes from someone who currently owns a business and have owned and run big companies in the past.
Before I would make a decision to affect my customers I be asking myself what % of my customer base will I lose to the amount I would gain.
To be fair to sky they gave the message out a long time a go that the site is a rec site and therefore its not there for the full time player. Sky for a long time has been offering one of the lowest RB in the industry anyway and most of us stay for the USP Sky does offer from the comunity to being a UK site etc
Of course someone at sky would sat down down lots of pretty graphs showing drop off rate to gain etc
Where I see the errors is for example in Priorty the email states there be new promos etc however Sky relised the cut in c4p without being ready to anounce what those are, that is that in my view is very poor planning as it would have at least given the Priorty team a comeback to use.
In the end of it every player will make there own decision but it cant be easy for most players who do reach the 10k C4P to accept a cut in rake and like any free market there are offers out ther at 30%
This argument of for the good of everyone has no logic as if Sky were way above industry standard yes it would have a point but not when they are below to start off with. Same way when the goverment says there tax heavly high earners that never works because these people need the incentive to work that hard make those tough decisions and get the rewards.
I know sky cant come out and say look we have decided we only want the rec palyers/gamblers but in my view that is not going to help increase the site long term. We should of been aiming not just to get to vegas each yr but to have a site that helped everyone move there game along so we could get good TV coverage out there ie our best players going very deep wearing the sky logos etc showing all those uk players on rival sites sky is the place to play.
I therefore am more concerned on the direction Sky is taking this in respect of is this a site that realy wants to attract the best or just an extention of skyvegas.com
I know there are lots of you out there that love to rip apart any post I make but for once I just ask before anyone decides to make comments please read it through first what I am saying
The biggest problem is not being addressed. The problem with all poker sites at the minute.
There are not enough players playing to have fun and spend money.
A site is no different to a shopping centre or even ebay. There needs to be a lot lot more people spending money than people trying to earn money.
At the minute the opposite is true and it is going to get worse. No matter what gimmicks sites come up with the bottom line is they need to attract people who are going to spend money month in month out.
The money in poker does not come from a magic money tree or from gimmicks like c4p, happy hours, supernova, rakeback or whatever gimmicks people are falling for at the minute. It comes from people getting their plastic out and depositing.
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i think dym next month will take a big hit on the higher games so i ask all regs lets go for it this month im going for 40k points to say farwell dym r.i p
I have graphed the new system vs old, and the only point it benefits me is if, at the end of the month, I finish between 10,000 and 11,999 points - and then only marginally.
Most of the time it will be slightly negative (-£10 - -£50), and in two areas significantly negative (16,000 to 19,999 pointsa, and 24,000 points+.
I also play a chunk of SNG's every month, and will lose a little from the changes regarding these.
But I look at it like this.
It's a free market. I like playing on Skypoker, but I'm not tied, or contracted to play here, and there are lots of other places to play, if I so wish.
Therefore, why should I get upset.
When I went to Sainsbury's last week, and my shopping cost me loads more than it normally does at Morrison's, I didn't go and rant at the manager, (or the attractive blonde girl on the till!), I just vowed not to do my shopping there again, and will go back to Morrison's this week.
I can understand the SNG players being a little bit miffed, but effectively they've been overpaid for the last 3 or 4 years (when compared to cash/MTT players), and should be happy they've made hay...etc....
They know their choices. Up to them what they do.
We do feel it is fairer than it was before, taken as a whole.
There are not enough players playing to have fun and spend money.
A site is no different to a shopping centre or even ebay. There needs to be a lot lot more people spending money than people trying to earn money.
At the minute the opposite is true and it is going to get worse. No matter what gimmicks sites come up with the bottom line is they need to attract people who are going to spend money month in month out.
The money in poker does not come from a magic money tree or from gimmicks like c4p, happy hours, supernova, rakeback or whatever gimmicks people are falling for at the minute. It comes from people getting their plastic out and depositing.