UL with your challenge. You certainly gave it a good go but it was always going to be difficult with a small BR - no room for variance at all.
I'd definitely recommend the 20:05 BH each night. Large MTT field, ergo lots of bounties to collect and a decent prize up top for just £2.30! You've said already that you prefer playing MTTs and this is definitely a tournament not to miss IMO.
Anyway good luck. Look forward to you hearing how you do with the new BR.
Hi waller, UL with your challenge. You certainly gave it a good go but it was always going to be difficult with a small BR - no room for variance at all. I'd definitely recommend the 20:05 BH each night. Large MTT field, ergo lots of bounties to collect and a decent prize up top for just £2.30! You've said already that you prefer playing MTTs and this is definitely a tournament not to miss IMO. Anyway good luck. Look forward to you hearing how you do with the new BR. Posted by gazza127
Yes, I love the £500 BH and intend to play it from time to time. Still toying with the idea of giving 4nl a proper go too. I'm away for the week now so will decide when I get back.
BTW.....best of luck with your diary, I can see you are a great mtt player so it should be a good read
So you've bust. Fine ...a new start is on the horizon and a new approach. £50? Lets get value for money, see the job in hand and look to improve our play. Play deepstacks and take time to review your hands. Any uncertain ones then put in the clinic and get opinions. Look on it as a back to basics and a relearning of a game you used to enjoy which its seems you've lost confidence in your ability to play. Why not reread a poker book, play very tight and loosen up as the confidence returns. Make notes on your game, make notes on other players and involve yourself fully in a cheap low stakes game which can provideplay to questin yourself but improve upon. if dym's are showing some positives then play one alongside your deepstack to encourage patience is a good strategy. you may earn your stake back during the play.(John Connors ABC of dym's on site is excellent and will provide a fine foundation for your play). It's not about going straight to winning...life's not like that usually but getting confidence and a positive enthusiasm back for the game is your main aim at the moment, i suspect. After all if it can't at least enjoy it then is it worth playing if you're not winning on top of that? Good luck Waller. i do understand how you're feeling. I got fed up with it myself having poor results/ bad beats for no apparent reason but downswings do happen. Keep confident about your game is the hard thing so you need to go over hands particularly 'bad' ones and see if you'd made a good plan. If unsure then ask in clinic.
playing tournaments even £2.20 are not a good idea with a small b/roll imo. yes you could get a decent return but the odds are against you. the £1.10 ds is ok I guess. if you are playing for fun,that's fine,play what you like. if you are looking to build a b/roll then you have to find a plan that is likely to work and stick to it. playing dym's is by far the safest way for that,imo. playing cash is also ok I guess,if you know what you are doing. the most important thing though is brm,whatever you choose to do. as long as you play well inside of that,you should be ok. gl again buddy. dev
Just deposited 50 english pounds, but i'm still not sure how to proceed. Dev mentions playing DYM's but I'm not profitable in them, even after 1000's of games.
I would like to give 4nl a proper crack but not this weekend during the promo.....for instance, donttelmum is on virtually every table with £8+ stack........no thanks.
I really really really REALLY wanna play mtt's but like others have mentioned I need to have strict brm to avoid losing this money......If I lose this money then I will be giving serious thought about whether or not I should still keep playing pokerz.
So.....I'm gonna start with some 2 quid dyms and pray. Also gonna play the £1.10 DS (and if by some miracle the dyms have gone well, I will treat myself to the £500 BH at 20.05)
18 mnths ago I would have felt confident about building this 50 quid up to 200+ etc. in no time..........now, I'm not even sure I can stop myself from going broke again.........bring out the violins!!!
I haven't read any posts in this thread except for the last two.
Waller, if you're good at MTT's but want some low variance games to build your roll, then play some regular sit and go's. They fill fairly quickly in the evenings if someone is the first to register. Nobody likes to be first, though.
Anyway, I think they're the best way to build a roll if you're a micro MTT player.
Nooooooooooooo stay away from dym's - not your game play cheap solid mtts sure variance is higher but its a game you know, love & can beatglgl Posted by GELDY
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mmmm, well I havent started yet, currently playing a freeroll.
The only mtt's I'm looking at are the £1.10 and £2.20 DS and the £2.30 BH's........not much room for error until I go busto again. Having said that, if I can't beat dyms after the amount I have played then I simply won't beat them......it's easy for dev to say "dyms are the way forward" because he crushes them, I just can't adapt to them. Plus I find them robotic and mind numbingly boring.
Ok......here is the plan. I will give myself £20 to play with mtt wise........if/when I get down to £30 then I will have a rethink about how best to proceed.
BTW, seen your SPT thread. Nice one, have a great time!
I haven't read any posts in this thread except for the last two. Waller, if you're good at MTT's but want some low variance games to build your roll, then play some regular sit and go's. They fill fairly quickly in the evenings if someone is the first to register. Nobody likes to be first, though. Anyway, I think they're the best way to build a roll if you're a micro MTT player. Posted by BorinLoner
Just had a look at them in the lobby and I think they are worth a go. Will play a few of the £1.10 six max on the side then.......like I said, if I get down to £30 then I will have to think of something else I guess (i.e quitting cos I'm no good haha).
I will have a clearer picture by Monday when the cash promo is over, then I can think about giving 4nl a serious go.
Play a few sit n gos as a sideline but strictly focus on the cheap MTT's. Personally I would limit myself to just 1 or 2 sit n gos max per night or that £20 you've allowed could soon dwindle if things don't go right. And no distractions TV, xhamster etc. I really wish you well in this.
gl with this mate,i'm sure with £50 behind you you will be fine. don,t go with dym,s mate if they aren't your cup of tea. play a few cheap tournies if they are your preferred game. play some nl4 when the promo finishes .
it's all about finding a game you enjoy and can find an edge playing. for me it was dym as I learnt very quickly by playing a large amount at a time I could beat the rake and variance quite easily,well up to the £3 level anyway. that's the only reason I suggested them to you with a low starting b/roll.
hope you find a way of building your b/roll back up again mate,whatever you decide to play. gl mate dev
I honestly feel that I have just turned into an AWFUL player in every format that I try.........this is turning into some kind of joke at my expense, just lasted 12 minutes in my first mtt.......12 minutes!!!
It was a £250 BH....£2.30.
I have spent 5 minutes reviewing the hand and have come up with the following:
1. Was there any need to be playing this hand UTG??? 2. When the oppo shoves here were the possible/likely outcomes.......6x (yes people will play this hand that way in a £2.30 BH), 2x, an overpair or a flush draw.......or FH and quads of course but I would not be expecting a shove there.
On that flop, given that it is a paired board, was I right to call?? I will remove his hand.....although you already know that I lost.
I'm OK shoving with a draw against the right opponent, but I'm not OK calling off with one. The best you can possibly hope for here is a worse flush draw, you're behind everything else. You have ace-high, this should be a reluctant fold. FWIW I'd open A8s for 75 (2.5BB), I'd muck A8o.
Good luck with this. Stick to your most profitable formats of the game, be mentally strong and do your very best to avoid tilt.
Contrary to common opinion Bounty Hunters are low variance games. This is because the head-prizes get spread among the field. The winner of a Bounty Hunter banks less than the winner of a freezeout, though on the other side of the coin lots of players will bust with head-prizes in their pocket in positions that would return nothing in a freeze-out. How often have you busted people in freezeouts and though '****, I wish this was a Bounty Hunter'?
I'm OK shoving with a draw against the right opponent, but I'm not OK calling off with one. The best you can possibly hope for here is a worse flush draw, you're behind everything else. You have ace-high, this should be a reluctant fold. FWIW I'd open A8s too, I'd muck A8o. Good luck with this. Stick to your most profitable formats of the game, be mentally strong and do your very best to avoid tilt. Contrary to common opinion Bounty Hunters are low variance games. This is because the head-prizes get spread among the field. The winner of a Bounty Hunter banks less than the winner of a freezeout, though on the other side of the coin lots of players will bust with head-prizes in their pocket in positions that would return nothing in a freeze-out. How often have you busted people in freezeouts and though '****, I wish this was a Bounty Hunter'? Posted by GaryQQQ
Yeah when I looked at the hand I wasn't a fan of the call either. In game I saw 2 overs and the nut flush draw and called.....just desperate to get off to a good start lol. On reflection, I thought that one of my overs (possibly both) might not be good and at best I was left with my flush draw or already in a world of hurt against a flopped FH.........we'll call it rustiness because I prefer that to fish!!!
I guess these are the kind of hands that you fold when things are going well but call when times are hard and you are getting desperate...........is that tilt??? Maybe a mild form of it!
Cheers for the post gary anyway and best of luck with your challenge m8
Yeah.... I'm happy shoving a flush draw... not calling for one. This way you know youre behind and have to hit.
Without trying to sound patronising (i hope it doesn't as I know youre a decent player), the beginnings of an MTT are all about patience. Forget about the hands, the oppositions etc. The blinds are low and there is no need to commit youre stack at an early stage like this. Wait for your moments, pick up chips when youre pretty sure you have the best hand. Calls like this should only be occurring if youre desperately low on chips or when the blinds have increased substantially.
The key I (try to) use when I play MTTs (relatively successfully) is never commit youre entire stack unless you either HAVE to or you have what you deem is the nuts. You can easily survive on 2k chips for over an hour. 12 minutes in? Got to pick a better spot mate.
Don't be too upset in a spot like this though. I've called off plenty of worse hands in the past and im sure i'll make even worse calls in the future. Still... it's only one tournament. I hear the 20:05 calling....
I don't play b/h mate but i'm sure GaryQQQ knows a thing or two about them,so i'd listen to him. as with dym's you can shove with just about any two cards but I can see you called the allin here,as Gary also says,is a mistake. playing a8 suited also will get you into trouble a lot of the time. the only time you feel really good with these type of hands is when you hit your flush,which just isn't often enough,so you really have to make a big effort and not play these type of hands,especially early doors when it is so easy to fold,and look for a better spot. it's only a small mistake but very costly long term. it's also very easy to put right though.that's the good news.
answer to q.1 no on that flop,given it's a paired board,was I right to call???? no gl buddy dev
Yeah.... I'm happy shoving a flush draw... not calling for one. This way you know youre behind and have to hit. Without trying to sound patronising (i hope it doesn't as I know youre a decent player), the beginnings of an MTT are all about patience. Forget about the hands, the oppositions etc. The blinds are low and there is no need to commit youre stack at an early stage like this. Wait for your moments, pick up chips when youre pretty sure you have the best hand. Calls like this should only be occurring if youre desperately low on chips or when the blinds have increased substantially. The key I (try to) use when I play MTTs (relatively successfully) is never commit youre entire stack unless you either HAVE to or you have what you deem is the nuts. You can easily survive on 2k chips for over an hour. 12 minutes in? Got to pick a better spot mate. Don't be too upset in a spot like this though. I've called off plenty of worse hands in the past and im sure i'll make even worse calls in the future. Still... it's only one tournament. I hear the 20:05 calling.... Posted by gazza127
Does not sound patronising at all........any advice is welcome mate, I need it atm especially from an mtt warrior like yourself.
I have been hearing the 20:05 calling since I knew I would be reloading..........lets hope I'm still in at 23:05, or at least last longer than 12 minutes, that would be progress!!
Yeah dev, when gary gives his views on a hand then I can never really argue with it. The man destroys the small stakes BH's on a reg basis.
That's why I'm going to posting any hands/exit hands that I feel I may have played badly......my game is all over the place, not sure when or why it started but it needs to stop.
So any hands that I post that are poor......berate me, insult me, laugh at me....whatever, I need it (along with some advice obv!!). I'm thick skinned and I won't cry (much).
I need a kick up the rear end as much as anything!
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UL with your challenge. You certainly gave it a good go but it was always going to be difficult with a small BR - no room for variance at all.
I'd definitely recommend the 20:05 BH each night. Large MTT field, ergo lots of bounties to collect and a decent prize up top for just £2.30! You've said already that you prefer playing MTTs and this is definitely a tournament not to miss IMO.
Anyway good luck. Look forward to you hearing how you do with the new BR.
BTW.....best of luck with your diary, I can see you are a great mtt player so it should be a good read
keep your varaince as low as possible while building
no high variance plays etc.. avoid flips....
don't play mtt's untill you are at £100 - varaince will eat you up
So you've bust. Fine ...a new start is on the horizon and a new approach. £50? Lets get value for money, see the job in hand and look to improve our play. Play deepstacks and take time to review your hands. Any uncertain ones then put in the clinic and get opinions. Look on it as a back to basics and a relearning of a game you used to enjoy which its seems you've lost confidence in your ability to play. Why not reread a poker book, play very tight and loosen up as the confidence returns. Make notes on your game, make notes on other players and involve yourself fully in a cheap low stakes game which can provideplay to questin yourself but improve upon.
if dym's are showing some positives then play one alongside your deepstack to encourage patience is a good strategy. you may earn your stake back during the play.(John Connors ABC of dym's on site is excellent and will provide a fine foundation for your play).
It's not about going straight to winning...life's not like that usually but getting confidence and a positive enthusiasm back for the game is your main aim at the moment, i suspect.
After all if it can't at least enjoy it then is it worth playing if you're not winning on top of that?
Good luck Waller. i do understand how you're feeling. I got fed up with it myself having poor results/ bad beats for no apparent reason but downswings do happen. Keep confident about your game is the hard thing so you need to go over hands particularly 'bad' ones and see if you'd made a good plan. If unsure then ask in clinic.
POKER IS A GAME TO ENJOY.....hopefully! HA
yes you could get a decent return but the odds are against you.
the £1.10 ds is ok I guess.
if you are playing for fun,that's fine,play what you like.
if you are looking to build a b/roll then you have to find a plan that is likely to work and stick to it.
playing dym's is by far the safest way for that,imo.
playing cash is also ok I guess,if you know what you are doing.
the most important thing though is brm,whatever you choose to do.
as long as you play well inside of that,you should be ok.
gl again buddy.
dev
Just deposited 50 english pounds, but i'm still not sure how to proceed. Dev mentions playing DYM's but I'm not profitable in them, even after 1000's of games.
I would like to give 4nl a proper crack but not this weekend during the promo.....for instance, donttelmum is on virtually every table with £8+ stack........no thanks.
I really really really REALLY wanna play mtt's but like others have mentioned I need to have strict brm to avoid losing this money......If I lose this money then I will be giving serious thought about whether or not I should still keep playing pokerz.
So.....I'm gonna start with some 2 quid dyms and pray. Also gonna play the £1.10 DS (and if by some miracle the dyms have gone well, I will treat myself to the £500 BH at 20.05)
18 mnths ago I would have felt confident about building this 50 quid up to 200+ etc. in no time..........now, I'm not even sure I can stop myself from going broke again.........bring out the violins!!!
BR = £50
Waller, if you're good at MTT's but want some low variance games to build your roll, then play some regular sit and go's. They fill fairly quickly in the evenings if someone is the first to register. Nobody likes to be first, though.
Anyway, I think they're the best way to build a roll if you're a micro MTT player.
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mmmm, well I havent started yet, currently playing a freeroll.
The only mtt's I'm looking at are the £1.10 and £2.20 DS and the £2.30 BH's........not much room for error until I go busto again. Having said that, if I can't beat dyms after the amount I have played then I simply won't beat them......it's easy for dev to say "dyms are the way forward" because he crushes them, I just can't adapt to them. Plus I find them robotic and mind numbingly boring.
Ok......here is the plan. I will give myself £20 to play with mtt wise........if/when I get down to £30 then I will have a rethink about how best to proceed.
BTW, seen your SPT thread. Nice one, have a great time!
I will have a clearer picture by Monday when the cash promo is over, then I can think about giving 4nl a serious go.
I really wish you well in this.
gl with this mate,i'm sure with £50 behind you you will be fine.
don,t go with dym,s mate if they aren't your cup of tea.
play a few cheap tournies if they are your preferred game.
play some nl4 when the promo finishes .
it's all about finding a game you enjoy and can find an edge playing.
for me it was dym as I learnt very quickly by playing a large amount at a time I could beat the rake and variance quite easily,well up to the £3 level anyway.
that's the only reason I suggested them to you with a low starting b/roll.
hope you find a way of building your b/roll back up again mate,whatever you decide to play.
gl mate
dev
I honestly feel that I have just turned into an AWFUL player in every format that I try.........this is turning into some kind of joke at my expense, just lasted 12 minutes in my first mtt.......12 minutes!!!
It was a £250 BH....£2.30.
I have spent 5 minutes reviewing the hand and have come up with the following:
1. Was there any need to be playing this hand UTG???
2. When the oppo shoves here were the possible/likely outcomes.......6x (yes people will play this hand that way in a £2.30 BH), 2x, an overpair or a flush draw.......or FH and quads of course but I would not be expecting a shove there.
On that flop, given that it is a paired board, was I right to call?? I will remove his hand.....although you already know that I lost.
Good luck with this. Stick to your most profitable formats of the game, be mentally strong and do your very best to avoid tilt.
Contrary to common opinion Bounty Hunters are low variance games. This is because the head-prizes get spread among the field. The winner of a Bounty Hunter banks less than the winner of a freezeout, though on the other side of the coin lots of players will bust with head-prizes in their pocket in positions that would return nothing in a freeze-out. How often have you busted people in freezeouts and though '****, I wish this was a Bounty Hunter'?
I guess these are the kind of hands that you fold when things are going well but call when times are hard and you are getting desperate...........is that tilt??? Maybe a mild form of it!
Cheers for the post gary anyway and best of luck with your challenge m8
Without trying to sound patronising (i hope it doesn't as I know youre a decent player), the beginnings of an MTT are all about patience. Forget about the hands, the oppositions etc. The blinds are low and there is no need to commit youre stack at an early stage like this. Wait for your moments, pick up chips when youre pretty sure you have the best hand. Calls like this should only be occurring if youre desperately low on chips or when the blinds have increased substantially.
The key I (try to) use when I play MTTs (relatively successfully) is never commit youre entire stack unless you either HAVE to or you have what you deem is the nuts. You can easily survive on 2k chips for over an hour. 12 minutes in? Got to pick a better spot mate.
Don't be too upset in a spot like this though. I've called off plenty of worse hands in the past and im sure i'll make even worse calls in the future. Still... it's only one tournament. I hear the 20:05 calling....
Hope it goes well!!
as with dym's you can shove with just about any two cards but I can see you called the allin here,as Gary also says,is a mistake.
playing a8 suited also will get you into trouble a lot of the time.
the only time you feel really good with these type of hands is when you hit your flush,which just isn't often enough,so you really have to make a big effort and not play these type of hands,especially early doors when it is so easy to fold,and look for a better spot.
it's only a small mistake but very costly long term.
it's also very easy to put right though.that's the good news.
answer to q.1 no
on that flop,given it's a paired board,was I right to call???? no
gl buddy
dev
I have been hearing the 20:05 calling since I knew I would be reloading..........lets hope I'm still in at 23:05, or at least last longer than 12 minutes, that would be progress!!
Yeah dev, when gary gives his views on a hand then I can never really argue with it. The man destroys the small stakes BH's on a reg basis.
That's why I'm going to posting any hands/exit hands that I feel I may have played badly......my game is all over the place, not sure when or why it started but it needs to stop.
So any hands that I post that are poor......berate me, insult me, laugh at me....whatever, I need it (along with some advice obv!!). I'm thick skinned and I won't cry (much).
I need a kick up the rear end as much as anything!