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ONE TIME!.....another diary.

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  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2013
    Going to try and be objective here.

    Robbie
    I think it would be a mistake to not listen to advice, if it's good, just because we don't like someone.
    You have said you are getting fed up with people being critical of your play. At the same time you're putting up hand histories asking for thoughts on how you've played. This doesn't really make sense. If you only want people to say you've played well then you're not going to get much out of it.

    Calcalfold
    I think you have actually made some really decent points. However, with the way you put them across, belittling, mocking etc then you're not going to get much respect and people will concentrate on the unpleasant things you say. Rather than just to say something is awful, explain why, and what you think would have been a better approach.
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    Going to try and be objective here. Robbie I think it would be a mistake to not listen to advice, if it's good, just because we don't like someone. You have said you are getting fed up with people being critical of your play. At the same time you're putting up hand histories asking for thoughts on how you've played. This doesn't really make sense. If you only want people to say you've played well then you're not going to get much out of it. Calcalfold I think you have actually made some really decent points. However, with the way you put them across, belittling, mocking etc then you're not going to be much respect and people will concentrate on the unpleasant things you say. Rather than just to say something is awful, explain why, and what you think would have been a better approach.
    Posted by Jac35
    RESPECT THIS POST SO MUCH!

    No not critical, be critical but just put it in a polite way in which I can learn from.  Everything you said is how I feel.  I don't no anything about the guy so I cant judge how he plays and tbh I don't care any advice id listen to and see how I can use it.  The fact is if he just said "oh sorry didn't mean to put it like that I was trying to help" I would of just said no problem its fine.
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    robbie1992 vs calcalfold heads ups cash grudge match 10nl (for rollz?) or just a few 2hr sessions 2/4 tabling would be good to watch and i`m rooting for robbie. just an idea though lol.
    Posted by liamboi11
    This isn't an entertainment show LOL I would play him for a laugh tbh judging from peoples reactions I wouldn't come out with money but it would be fun ..
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary. : This isn't an entertainment show LOL I would play him for a laugh tbh judging from peoples reactions I wouldn't come out with money but it would be fun ..
    Posted by robbie1992
    I would certainly enjoy this, ccf talks a good game but i think it's unfair for people to just assume he is a better player than you. CCF out of interest i encountered youyesterday for the first time at HU turbos,was surprised that i couldn't access your stats on scope.. something to hide?
  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited June 2013
    Benc,

    Why would I leave my scope open for people to take free information? I presume thats why you were there........

    And for the record, I have never myself claimed to be a better player than Robbie,. That said (based on this thread) I have won a fair bit more money, and no, I dont intend to disclose my winnings.

    To start with I was on this thread to post advice as I see it. Of course I have also been known to wind people up when they bite.
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited June 2013
    lol fair enough, i did say "unfair for people" and not yourself to be coming in and saying "x player is better than y player". I always assume people who lock there scope are just hiding the fact they are losing players, just a personal opinion not like you need to prove yourself to me or anyone else and i respect that you wouldn't want to be giving people like me extra information.

    So best of 10 HUsngs or a couple of hours at HU cash between you and robbie for bragging rights...
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013

    Im not denying he is a better play I don't no the guy and I don't no his game.  I just asked him to put his comment in a better way......that's it LOL talk about a mountain out of a mole hill.

    He would batter me cause iv never played heads up but if he wants to play I will play him.

  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited June 2013
    lol not been on sky much, and i missed all this!

    Comedy Gold.

    Let us know when the "friendly" match is lol

    The chatbox will be brilliant. We should have a community game later on (again) with calc and robbie playing.

    I'm in!
  • Jac35Jac35 Member Posts: 6,492
    edited June 2013
    Just a suggestion 
    New title

    "Robbie and Calcalfolds joint diary"
  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited June 2013
    benc,

    I appreciate your offer on behalf of robbie, but the challenge/bragging rights has no appeal to me. As FCHD wisely quoted "ego at the door" no game should this hold more true than in poker.

    The door is open for the "scared"/"chicken" et al remarks to follow. Alas, water off a ducks back (or chickens you could say).

    I just log in try and find some 6max cash tables I think I can beat, play until the value has gone, then log out again.

    Plus of course, as you wintnessed yesterday, my HU SNG game is below feeble.

    I also enjoy trying to offer my opinion on forum threads, or wind people up as some people would claim.

    I dont have anything against robbie, How could I? I dont know the chap lol, but I cant help but be a wind up merchant at times.

    That said I still think he has a strange line towards people trying to help - however blunt. Hey ho, each to their own etc...

    Best

    ccf
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    Im not denying he is a better play I don't no the guy and I don't no his game.  I just asked him to put his comment in a better way......that's it LOL talk about a mountain out of a mole hill. He would batter me cause iv never played heads up but if he wants to play I will play him.
    Posted by robbie1992
    i`ve played both of yous,more you robbie but don`t think they would be much in it between the 2 of yous a just think be good entertainment for us readers and bit of banter and maybe when yous play each other you may actually have more respect for each others game and kiss and make up lol.

    you goin for the promo this week robbie?



  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited June 2013
    Robbie and Calc sitting in a tree haha
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    LOL what would the winner get ? I think id want my apology and cal to write a whole discussion on why he had lost to me :)

    I don't know liam, I enjoyed the last one but it was my first time in one of these.  It was a good profitable week but it means your life has too stop for a week really, and it also meant I couldn't do any studying which atm I need really.  Plus I only play 4 tables so realistically the highest I could finish is 7th again.  U going to play it?
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    LOL what would the winner get ? I think id want my apology and cal to write a whole discussion on why he had lost to me :) I don't know liam, I enjoyed the last one but it was my first time in one of these.  It was a good profitable week but it means your life has too stop for a week really, and it also meant I couldn't do any studying which atm I need really.  Plus I only play 4 tables so realistically the highest I could finish is 7th again.  U going to play it?
    Posted by robbie1992

    well last 1 finished 17th in middle tier and a missed 2 and half days due to spt brum.

    I only plays 6 tables for a few hrs but im off work and college this week so see how i get on, also did you get through the semi for primo or you not put my chips to good use lol.

  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    UPDATE

    Played cash in the morning and didn't play amazing , was coming away even until I lost with QQ on 7 5 2 board when he had pocket 7's, so think it was fine.  Struggled adapting to certain styles and couldn't quiet think of a way to exploit them, so I went on duececracked forum and took down some notes of what people said to others about it so then I can keep looking over them and hopefully it will go in.   I played a £2.60 sat for the primo and got into the semi, where I then qualified for the actually primo, which I was happy about as its the only big tourney I havnt got into on sky.  Decided to play the mini aswell for the jackpot and played well in both, got a disgusting beat in the mini which would of taken me top with about 160 left.  Was always doing well in the primo, I finished 46th (26th was cash) so just missed out but just didn't have any decent spots and went card dead towards the end, after shoving on the blinds for about 5 rounds in a row the big blind called and had pocket 6's, so I was flipping with my a9s, no luck but I woulda taken a flip.  Iv ended the day down but iv played well and enjoyed my deep run.  Now I need to sort my cash game out !!!!

    Yeah that's what I mean you have to miss a week of your life to have a good crack at that promotion, think ill just play normally and see what happens the last one tired me out lol yeah I qualified, that hand was bad I thought u had a lot less then KK in your range, im sure were meet on the tables again and it will happen the other way round lol

    BALANCE: £333.59

    DAY: -£17.50
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    arthur1962 Small blind  200.00 200.00 8488.13
    memfno Big blind  400.00 600.00 14670.00
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • A
         
    equaliser Fold     
    didalo Fold     
    jp129 Fold     
    robbie1992 All-in  5082.50 5682.50 0.00
    arthur1962 Fold     
    memfno Call  4682.50 10365.00 9987.50
    memfno Show
    • 6
    • 6
       
    robbie1992 Show
    • 9
    • A
       
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • J
    • K
         
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    River
       
    • 2
         
    memfno Win Two Pairs, 6s and 2s 10365.00  20352.50
    Main exit hand.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    HOLLYWHIT Small blind  50.00 50.00 4565.00
    robbie1992 Big blind  100.00 150.00 4655.00
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 10
         
    -PIMPIN- Fold     
    philrafs Fold     
    MADPATDOTC Call  100.00 250.00 4300.00
    KEVMAC10 Call  100.00 350.00 6672.50
    HOLLYWHIT Raise  200.00 550.00 4365.00
    robbie1992 Call  150.00 700.00 4505.00
    MADPATDOTC Call  150.00 850.00 4150.00
    KEVMAC10 Call  150.00 1000.00 6522.50
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 5
    • 10
         
    HOLLYWHIT Check     
    robbie1992 Check     
    MADPATDOTC Check     
    KEVMAC10 Check     
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    HOLLYWHIT Bet  300.00 1300.00 4065.00
    robbie1992 Call  300.00 1600.00 4205.00
    MADPATDOTC Fold     
    KEVMAC10 Raise  2200.00 3800.00 4322.50
    HOLLYWHIT Call  1900.00 5700.00 2165.00
    robbie1992 All-in  4205.00 9905.00 0.00
    KEVMAC10 Call  2305.00 12210.00 2017.50
    HOLLYWHIT All-in  2165.00 14375.00 0.00
    HOLLYWHIT Show
    • K
    • A
       
    robbie1992 Show
    • 10
    • 10
       
    KEVMAC10 Show
    • 5
    • 4
       
    River
       
    • K
         
    HOLLYWHIT Win Full House, Kings and 5s 14095.00  14095.00
    robbie1992 Win Full House, 10s and Kings 280.00  280.00
    Mini (sky+ 861 after this hand, surely its on there )
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013

    Update

    Played for about 3 hours today, was planning to play 4 but made a stupid mistake and I was feeling tired anyway.  I studied in the morning as the house was empty so no distractions, I enjoy studying the game and missed it while I was doing the promo, I always feel like I no more after watching a video or going over notes.

    I played 3 tables for 2 hours and 4 for one hour as I wanted better reads. Played more aggressive, 3 bet more, bluffed more, used my brain more and thought about my image more.  Was a byin up on every table at one point without even having an all in, which I think proves I was exploiting my opponents fairly well.  Got exploit myself at times but oh well that's why I work on my game to stop that happening lol lost in a stupid hand that im going to post in a minute....feel free to give abuse its deserved :( Happy with today, just need to stop the odd massive mistake! 

    Im going to play more for the promo as its free money really and I need to build my b/r so need to put in some hard work.  Ill play more but I wont play a silly amount, just play the amount I want and see where It gets me.

    B/r: £360.47

    The day: +2.7 byins (£27)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancepaulrowy11 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £7.04 robbie1992 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £23.36   Your hole cards J 5       Cash_Daddy Fold     Donttelmum Fold     _DOOLA_ Call  £0.10 £0.25 £8.57 paulrowy11 Call  £0.05 £0.30 £6.99 robbie1992 Check     Flop    J J 6       paulrowy11 Check     robbie1992 Bet  £0.30 £0.60 £23.06 _DOOLA_ Raise  £1.20 £1.80 £7.37 paulrowy11 Fold     robbie1992 All-in  £23.06 £24.86 £0.00 _DOOLA_ All-in  £7.37 £32.23 £0.00 robbie1992 Unmatched bet  £14.79 £17.44 £14.79 robbie1992 Show J 5    _DOOLA_ Show 6 6    Turn    4       River    2       _DOOLA_ Win Full House, 6s and Jacks £16.13  £16.13
    Just was not good enough to fold.  sometimes he shows a flush draw/ some PP.  But long term this is definatly a losing play.

  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited June 2013
    i do think your shove value bet is too volatile a play
    this hand you may well end up ai regardless
    but work out how to get the money in over 3 streets not 1
    and it will give you opportunities to evaluate as you go along
    and get more weaker hands coming along for the ride
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    Idcu is back .....

    Yeah but I might get value for 6x, flush drAws, overpairs. 

    Althought I do fold smaller pairs with this play. Does my hand need protecting from the flush draw aswell?
  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited June 2013
    a pot bet should protect against the flush (in theory)
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