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ONE TIME!.....another diary.

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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,111
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary. : haha your only allowed to say that when im winning, not when im losing or it might come true :P I played 4 all throughout the promo from 3 tables, I want to continue to play 4 because I want to keep improving and I see that as improvement, but my win right has gone abit down I think, but I don't think I can blame it on 4 tables because It didn't have any influence on my decisions.   No im not but just finding it hard to get my b/r moving up, and finding it hard to motivate myself since the promo finished.....how do you motivate yourself for cash? Things not been going well for you then lately waller?
    Posted by robbie1992
    ???? you have replied to post twice lol

    How do I motivate myself? Not sure really. I just play when I feel like a game, which is most evenings. If I get bored or tired then I stop playing and I have the odd night off. Playing too much can definitely take the fun out of the game.

    Things not been going well for me lately? Not for about a year lol. Basically starting from scratch again!

    I don't beat myself up about it though and neither should you. It's just a game! 
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    opps sorry its because I used the itouch for the reply and it never refreshes.

    That's true, but is poker still fun if you fail to win....not sure imo, im aiming to eventually build a good stack and become a grinder who can make good money out of the game on a consistant basis.  I want to be how tintin/dtm/cash daddy and all them are like, putting in a lot of hours.

    Cheers for the reply tho, maybe were meet on the tables soon, GL.
  • bencbenc Member Posts: 1,063
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    opps sorry its because I used the itouch for the reply and it never refreshes. That's true, but is poker still fun if you fail to win....not sure imo, im aiming to eventually build a good stack and become a grinder who can make good money out of the game on a consistant basis.  I want to be how tintin/dtm/cash daddy and all them are like, putting in a lot of hours. Cheers for the reply tho, maybe were meet on the tables soon, GL.
    Posted by robbie1992
    Two of these guys you mention play for a living so there motivation is being able to eat lol and as far as i know tintin is just a grinding machine who consistently makes profit so i guess thats his motivation. Play because you want to play and when you feel fresh, don't over extend your sessions or play for the sake of it just to try and grind out a profit as it may actually negatively affect your winrate, play the game as a hobby you enjoy let the profit follow rather than hoping it will work the other round, still reading btw havn't been playing cash as much this week myself as just havn't felt like it which suits me better, no point playing just for the sake of a slight profit with no enjoyment as that is pretty much = to just having a job in IT.
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013

    Oh really I didn't know they both played for a living, I just enjoyed the amount I plaed last week and how determined I was to do well, just need to get a routine or aim of certain hours a week.  I was thinking about trying to learn heads up more, I gotta book I never read by moshman but it looks like theres a lot of varience, and seems hard to put people on a range...would be something different I could play instead of cash.

    Hoping too play a lot this weekend now theres no footie on and stuff, just need to keep motivated.

  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    Yeah it is the same faces pretty much everyday.  Cash can be very tedious tbh, I don't know how they can look at a screen with loads of times just playing hand after hand.  Sounds good, I don't think ill need to play 12 but always nice to no you can if you want too lol I think ill leave it at 4 until I improve my win rate then move it up.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    abbott09 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £5.45
    Cash_Daddy Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £9.60
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
         
    ribeiro66 Call  £0.10 £0.25 £9.14
    SPAZMATRON Call  £0.10 £0.35 £1.77
    robbie1992 Raise  £0.40 £0.75 £8.85
    abbott09 Call  £0.35 £1.10 £5.10
    Cash_Daddy Fold     
    ribeiro66 Call  £0.30 £1.40 £8.84
    SPAZMATRON Call  £0.30 £1.70 £1.47
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 4
    • Q
         
    abbott09 Bet  £0.30 £2.00 £4.80
    ribeiro66 Fold     
    SPAZMATRON Fold     
    robbie1992 Call  £0.30 £2.30 £8.55
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    abbott09 Bet  £0.50 £2.80 £4.30
    robbie1992 Call  £0.50 £3.30 £8.05
    River
       
    • A
         
    abbott09 Bet  £1.00 £4.30 £3.30
    robbie1992 All-in  £8.05 £12.35 £0.00
    abbott09 All-in  £3.30 £15.65 £0.00
    robbie1992 Unmatched bet  £3.75 £11.90 £3.75
    abbott09 Show
    • 3
    • 4
       
    robbie1992 Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    abbott09 Win Three 4s £11.00  £11.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Cash_Daddy Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £12.52
    TINTIN Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £9.50
    moyle06 Sit out     
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
         
    robbie1992 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £8.18
    azukira Call  £0.30 £0.75 £29.65
    Cash_Daddy Call  £0.25 £1.00 £12.27
    TINTIN Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 3
    • 4
         
    Cash_Daddy Check     
    robbie1992 Bet  £0.70 £1.70 £7.48
    azukira Call  £0.70 £2.40 £28.95
    Cash_Daddy Fold     
    Turn
       
    • A
         
    robbie1992 Bet  £1.20 £3.60 £6.28
    azukira Call  £1.20 £4.80 £27.75
    River
       
    • 2
         
    robbie1992 Check     
    azukira Bet  £2.50 £7.30 £25.25
    robbie1992 Call  £2.50 £9.80 £3.78
    azukira Show
    • 5
    • 5
       
    robbie1992 Muck
    • A
    • J
       
    azukira Win Straight to the 5 £9.06  £34.31
    these both standard?
  • cgoldiecgoldie Member Posts: 234
    edited June 2013
    I'd go for raise on the flop with the first and proceed with caution vs a flat that way u can get some info and know where u stand if he reraises.

    On the 2nd I'd prefer a bigger bet on the turn as it brings 2 draws.

    River wise with how the hand went I'd be doing the same vs standard opps though.
  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited June 2013
    No not standard at all.

    He had donked out the flop, bet the turn, and even the ace on the river has not slowed him down.

    The river is key information.

    You need to consider what hands worse than yours will call the shove based on the story the villain has told, you are just not thinking enough!

  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    Don't I fold out worse a lot on that flop if I raise, its a fairly dry flop theres not much I can get a lot of value out of by raising the flop, maybe pocket pairs and worse qx but most of them fold to a barrell?? I don't think I like the raise tbh.  Heres my thoughts in the hand ' I raise on the button , maybe could have gone bigger tbh with limpers but owell.  Good flop for me and this guy donks, judging from previous plays and tendencies he donks with a lot.  I call and keep PP and weak qx hands in.  9 doesn't change much I should raise here as a lot of drawy and worse hands call, I just flat to keep bluffs and qx and PP in , which I do think he can barrell with.  The river comes a ace all his A high bluffs have hit top pair, and if he does have q9 I now beat that.  I lose to a 4x hand, but beat near enough everything else.  He has less then pot size bet left so I shove for value and theres a lot worse hands in his range.......he shows and 4 and I cry."

    Ok I like betting bigger on turn in second hand, if I bet bigger I think it may also look like im bluffing that card and might get calls from worse. River I did think this is odd, what could he have, I did think his done all this with the ace there his not slowed down at all .

    Cal you no I wont listen to you.  Aplogise for your comments and ill respond to you, you not that ignorant you cant apolgise surely !?!
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    kp_king Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £7.47
    Cash_Daddy Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £19.87
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    robbie1992 Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £8.16
    Thats0s1ck Raise  £0.85 £1.30 £10.30
    kp_king Fold     
    Cash_Daddy Fold     
    robbie1992 Call  £0.55 £1.85 £7.61
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • J
    • 8
         
    robbie1992 Check     
    Thats0s1ck Bet  £0.80 £2.65 £9.50
    robbie1992 Call  £0.80 £3.45 £6.81
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    robbie1992 Check     
    Thats0s1ck Check     
    River
       
    • 5
         
    robbie1992 Bet  £2.59 £6.04 £4.22
    Thats0s1ck Call  £2.59 £8.63 £6.91
    robbie1992 Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    Thats0s1ck Show
    • 7
    • 8
       
    Thats0s1ck Win Pair of 8s £7.98  £14.89
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    al85 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £3.92
    Cash_Daddy Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £8.89
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 10
         
    Donttelmum Fold     
    DTWBANDIT Fold     
    jaebhoy Raise  £0.20 £0.35 £11.68
    robbie1992 Call  £0.20 £0.55 £9.50
    al85 Call  £0.15 £0.70 £3.77
    Cash_Daddy Raise  £0.90 £1.60 £7.99
    jaebhoy Call  £0.80 £2.40 £10.88
    robbie1992 Call  £0.80 £3.20 £8.70
    al85 Call  £0.80 £4.00 £2.97
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • K
    • 7
         
    al85 Check     
    Cash_Daddy Bet  £3.00 £7.00 £4.99
    jaebhoy Fold     
    robbie1992 All-in  £8.70 £15.70 £0.00
    al85 Fold     
    Cash_Daddy All-in  £4.99 £20.69 £0.00
    robbie1992 Unmatched bet  £0.71 £19.98 £0.71
    Cash_Daddy Show
    • A
    • J
       
    robbie1992 Show
    • 9
    • 10
       
    Turn
       
    • 8
         
    River
       
    • 5
         
    Cash_Daddy Win Flush to the Ace £18.58  £18.58
    My 2 biggest problems in poker, Flush draws with added oesd or gutsht and bluffs.  These hands are terriable and I really struggle with flush draw hands, what should I be looking for with these hands, big pots? check call? fold even ??

    The bluffs I fail with all the time and playing 10nl doesn't help as a lot of players play there cause they call too much, but what things should I be looking out for to know if its a bluffing moment?

    Played for about 90 minutes today , again not putting in a proper shift, but I didn't forget its my granddads bday so I have no choice but to miss playing, might play tonight for a change late.  Played OK today, not amazing, lost a byin and 1/2 early on but then hit some nice hands and won a few pots, then lost abit through a bluff and a bigger full house ( I had 55 on a a k 5 flop he had a4, the turn come 4 river come 5, all in by the river)

    B/R:  £351

    Today: +1 byin
  • devonfish5devonfish5 Member Posts: 4,291
    edited June 2013
    fl v fl is always tricky
    your 1st mistake in this hand is calling 20p p/f (1st chance to get away)
    the 2nd is calling casdaddys raise p/f...what is he raising with? (2nd chance to get away)
    cashdaddy is never betting 3/4 pot £3 here,with a worse hand than yours. (3rd chance to get away0
    you should have folded somewhere p/f
     as played,3 small mistakes and result...maximum loss.

    you have to know your opponents and also take notice of when and why a big bet goes in against you.
    when it does you have to decide if you are going with your hand or not.
    here was a not.

    dev
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013

    Yeah I no his never bluffing, thought he actually had a made hand but this was the worst hand he could of had really, lost my flush and my gutshot.  So this is a fold?  I think it should of been too just seems weird you flop well with a speculative hand and are still folding, suppose its not just about the hand its about the situation and the player.  The thing is aswell with this hands is there not as good as it looks your ALWAYS going in an underdog, even against a bluff your likely to be an underdog, so its not a good situation to risk a stack with .  Wished I could get that into my head when playing lol

  • devonfish5devonfish5 Member Posts: 4,291
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    Yeah I no his never bluffing, thought he actually had a made hand but this was the worst hand he could of had really, lost my flush and my gutshot.  So this is a fold?  I think it should of been too just seems weird you flop well with a speculative hand and are still folding, suppose its not just about the hand its about the situation and the player.  The thing is aswell with this hands is there not as good as it looks your ALWAYS going in an underdog, even against a bluff your likely to be an underdog, so its not a good situation to risk a stack with .  Wished I could get that into my head when playing lol
    Posted by robbie1992
    yes p/f every time,or at least a raise.

    try better hand selection and this situation will not happen so often.
    also you have button and are limping p/f this is not good either.
    if you decide to play a hand,especially with good/best position,then we should be using it,shouldn't we?
    :)
    dev
  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    Cal you no I wont listen to you.  Aplogise for your comments and ill respond to you, you not that ignorant you cant apolgise surely !?!
    Posted by robbie1992

    What's the quote from David Tuchman's poker tip - "Leave your ego at the door"?

    Calcalfold is a much better player than you and he/she is willing to give up their time to offer you free information and help you, yet you post stuff like the quote above.

    Put it to one side and listen. It will help you get better.
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary. : What's the quote from David Tuchman's poker tip - "Leave your ego at the door"? Calcalfold is a much better player than you and he/she is willing to give up their time to offer you free information and help you, yet you post stuff like the quote above. Put it to one side and listen. It will help you get better.
    Posted by FCHD
    use your brain for a while, read whats happened before you get involved with comments. Don't agree with what I say then don't write on my diary ? jheeze whats wrong with people you spend your time coming here and giving unintelligent comments? don't you have anything else to do

    This diary is for poker matters and help.  Im not going to let it get into a arguemnt because its just pointless.  The fact your be rude about my poker skills is just unhelpful and uneeded.  Why did forums get invented? so better players can help other players...so try think about that before you start being horriable.  I no im not good, that's why I started this diary for help, not for people to come on here and just criticise.

    Like I said try use your brain read why I don't listen to cal and come back.....it has nothing to do with poker why I don't listen to him, so educate yourself on the matter before your casting your opinion.
  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited June 2013
    I've read and contributed to this thread from the start. Everything Calcalfold has said is true. Just becuase you started this thread does not mean people who have opinions can't post on it.

    You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    I'm  not being rude about your poker skills, more I'm praising Calcalfold's, and without a doubt he/she is better than you, but you don't want to hear that. He/she is helping you, and on several occasions you have turned it into something personal.

    I say again - "Leave your ego at the door"
  • calcalfoldcalcalfold Member Posts: 978
    edited June 2013
    FCHD,


    Firstly thank you for the kind remarks.


    Secondly, As you have seen, I have tried and failed to wake Robbie up from himself.

    Listen to the quotes, they are not the thoughts of a rational man in any way shape or form.

    1) "it has nothing to do with poker why I don't listen to him"

    I have no doubt if a Barry Greenstein or a Scotty Nguyen rubbed him up the wrong way, he would also treat their advice with total contempt.

    2) "I no im not good, that's why I started this diary for help, not for people to come on here and just criticise. "

    Totally contradicts the previous remarks he made.

    3) "This diary is for poker matters and help"

    Rather ironic

    4) "Don't agree with what I say then don't write on my diary"

    We have reached new levels of absurdity, What is this? A dictarorship???? All hail Muammar Robbie


    Finally as an aside I am a stout believer that, dyslexia aside, the way people spell and use words to form their points is often a direct correlation to intelligence quotient. Read into that what you will.
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    seriously now, this is getting stupid, im not going to ruin my diary over little nerd trolls trying to be smart.  Your really starting to annoy me now, can you please not comment on my diary.  This is about the 3rd time iv asked you.  Im being polite in what iv said im not being rude iv stated my opinion and have asked you can you not comment on my diary.  Im not going to get in an argument about it buts its really annoying me and wasting my time.

    Whys there people that have to ruin everything?
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2013
    In Response to Re: ONE TIME!.....another diary.:
    seriously now, this is getting stupid, im not going to ruin my diary over little nerd trolls trying to be smart.  Your really starting to annoy me now, can you please not comment on my diary.  This is about the 3rd time iv asked you.  Im being polite in what iv said im not being rude iv stated my opinion and have asked you can you not comment on my diary.  Im not going to get in an argument about it buts its really annoying me and wasting my time. Whys there people that have to ruin everything?
    Posted by robbie1992
    As a reader I disagree with the bolded bit, think it's quite entertaining ;D
  • robbie1992robbie1992 Member Posts: 725
    edited June 2013
    LOL I found it entertaining at the start that's why I never blocked him, but now its just pointless. 
  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited June 2013
    robbie1992 vs calcalfold

    heads ups cash grudge match 10nl (for rollz?)

    or just a few 2hr sessions 2/4 tabling would be good to watch and i`m rooting for robbie.

    just an idea though lol.


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