Tikay I think you mentioned that I was running well last night (I did for a time, against you anyway). Well this was my last hand of the night. This hand was on the final table of the £5.50 plo8 MTT, I'm 3rd in chips I think with two small stacks one of whom is literally fumes (less than 3x BB). So 6 left and 5 get paid. Mid position flats pre so I see a free flop. I think I'm doomed from that point on, here's how it plays out Flopped the nuts, no low possible, still have the nuts on the turn and get all my stack in the middle. Matey has top set and rivers FH. My question is should I have played this differently and been able to get away on a paired/flushing river? I'm trying to win the tourney after all but just a bit of a sickener as I'm sure I would have folded to the cash had I not been allowed to flop the nuts. Hand History #1085740711 (22:40 06/10/2016) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Ice_Tiger Small blind 800.00 800.00 1678.72 Enut Big blind 1600.00 2400.00 15585.31 Your hole cards 10 2 J Q Mr_Udigawa Fold Whizzewky Fold xxx Call 1600.00 4000.00 19930.02 its-a-fix Fold Ice_Tiger Fold Enut Check Flop K 9 J Enut Check xxx Bet 2000.00 6000.00 17930.02 Enut Call 2000.00 8000.00 13585.31 Turn 2 Enut Check xxx Bet 4000.00 12000.00 13930.02 Enut All-in 13585.31 25585.31 0.00 xxx Call 9585.31 35170.62 4344.71 Enut Show 10 2 J Q xxx Show 10 6 K K River J xxx Win high Full House, Kings and Jacks 35170.62 39515.33 No qualifying low hand Posted by Enut
You get it in ahead leaving him with very thin draws, just unlucky
just checked my DYMs siince October last year and came out with this result: 2164GBP in and 2153.95 GBP out - I guess that means a profit of TEN POUNDS and 5p - time to turn pro - lol
just checked my DYMs siince October last year and came out with this result: 2164GBP in and 2153.95 GBP out - I guess that means a profit of TEN POUNDS and 5p - time to turn pro - lol Posted by imber
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Certainly. This one used to only be able to insta-fold 2 cards, now folds 4 at a time.... Posted by Essexphil
I can fold 4 just as fast as I can fold 2 - that's called an efficiency gain.
3 years later. Have we established if an old dog can learn new tricks? Posted by gazza127
Crikey, what a question.
I guess I learned a whole bunch in 3 years, but the problem is as fast as I learn something new, I promptly forget it.
Certainly I've learned that I can make money playing these, but only at a very pedestrian rate. Think I worked out a while back that I make, on average, £3.50 per session. Which is pretty poor by any standards. But multiply it by 1,095 (the amount of days in 3 years) & it adds up to a tidy sum.
Think one of the most fascinating things is to try & get inside other peoples heads, to try & see what they are thinking. I could write for hours about this, but here's 3 examples from this week alone.
1) A chap was roffling about last night, pot pot pot with any 4, & had himself 7,000 chips within the first level. And he lost the game. What WAS he thinking, why did he continue to roffle about, instead of just sitting out & collecting double his money? Ego, adrenalin rush, stupidity? I've no idea.
2) We were 4 handed in a game on Wednesday, & all 4 were playing sensibly, & had level stacks. I potted it with excellent aces from the SB, & the BB, who had not once got out of line, 3 bet me. I dusted off, as I do once a year, my 4 bet, & he had plenty of fold equity, but 5 bet, & we got it all in. He had J-9-3-3. Go figure what that was about. (He lost, in case you think it's a disguised bad beat story).
3) Again 4 handed with level stacks, & no pressure from the Blinds.
Ger pots it, & I repot it. Anyone like to try & guess our respective ranges here? Then a very weird thing happens - a regular in the game reports it, obv he is now all-in. His hand was A-9-8-4.
Now we all know that ranges run very close in PL08, but why would anyone, ever, get it in that bad against Ger & I? He did the lot, as you'd expect.
A million mysteries is what I've learned, I'd say. But not the answers.
Have been running absolutely golden for most of September & October, & the Challenge total is now at an all time high. I'm at that point where I know I've got the game beat, which generally coincides with Miss Variance turning up, smoking a pipe, reminding me that I only ran good thanks to her, & then dishing out run-bad like confetti.
What a great challenge this game is.
Just had a short session tonight, and won't be back at the tables until Sunday evening now.
I see you did learn a new trick last night, how to go out on the very first hand.
Mind you, the quad 5s that busted you looked like small beer midway through when jimjan had a royal flush and then quad queens in the space of a couple of hands.
Well done Nic and nice catching up with your exploits Tikay. Nice to see you are running golden in September/October and hopefully Miss Variance doesn't show up with the run bad confetti. Posted by markycash
I see you did learn a new trick last night, how to go out on the very first hand. Mind you, the quad 5s that busted you looked like small beer midway through when jimjan had a royal flush and then quad queens in the space of a couple of hands. Posted by FCHD
Ha, it was certainly a rare one. I've upped my aggro rate considerably, which has improved my results enormously, but it does mean being less risk averse, so yes, some earlier exits are inevitable.
I was playing 6 games at the time, & I prioritise the games in order of blind sizes. So a new table is bottom right, the priority moves clockwise, & I focus most on top right. Those early stages are less crucial, as we can recover from little losses & mistakes, whereas once we get to, say, 150-300, 1 mistake is GG.
I seem to recall flopping or turning the boat, & I knew my man must have a 5, & was not the sort to ever fold, so I was merrily bashing away at the pot button.
I have to say, when the third 5 fell on the river a little cloud of doubt spring into my mind, that was NOT a card I wanted to see, but by then it was a bit late. And, to be fair, we can't generally be folding every time three of a kind hits the board, can we? So I was pretty cool with it, but yeah, it was an unusual one.
10 minutes later, I flopped the steel wheel & got the lot 3 way.
Funny old game.
Has two great nights in a row (Weds & Thursday), so am expecting a bit of a slap in the chops tonight. You know how it is with poker, just when you think you've got it cracked....
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Nothing you can do about that Paul, & Villain will rarely fold top set there either.
Typical PLO (or PLO8 high) hand, & it's what makes the game so wonderfully exciting.
I guess I learned a whole bunch in 3 years, but the problem is as fast as I learn something new, I promptly forget it.
Certainly I've learned that I can make money playing these, but only at a very pedestrian rate. Think I worked out a while back that I make, on average, £3.50 per session. Which is pretty poor by any standards. But multiply it by 1,095 (the amount of days in 3 years) & it adds up to a tidy sum.
Think one of the most fascinating things is to try & get inside other peoples heads, to try & see what they are thinking. I could write for hours about this, but here's 3 examples from this week alone.
1) A chap was roffling about last night, pot pot pot with any 4, & had himself 7,000 chips within the first level. And he lost the game. What WAS he thinking, why did he continue to roffle about, instead of just sitting out & collecting double his money? Ego, adrenalin rush, stupidity? I've no idea.
2) We were 4 handed in a game on Wednesday, & all 4 were playing sensibly, & had level stacks. I potted it with excellent aces from the SB, & the BB, who had not once got out of line, 3 bet me. I dusted off, as I do once a year, my 4 bet, & he had plenty of fold equity, but 5 bet, & we got it all in. He had J-9-3-3. Go figure what that was about. (He lost, in case you think it's a disguised bad beat story).
3) Again 4 handed with level stacks, & no pressure from the Blinds.
Ger pots it, & I repot it. Anyone like to try & guess our respective ranges here? Then a very weird thing happens - a regular in the game reports it, obv he is now all-in. His hand was A-9-8-4.
Now we all know that ranges run very close in PL08, but why would anyone, ever, get it in that bad against Ger & I? He did the lot, as you'd expect.
A million mysteries is what I've learned, I'd say. But not the answers.
Have been running absolutely golden for most of September & October, & the Challenge total is now at an all time high. I'm at that point where I know I've got the game beat, which generally coincides with Miss Variance turning up, smoking a pipe, reminding me that I only ran good thanks to her, & then dishing out run-bad like confetti.
What a great challenge this game is.
Just had a short session tonight, and won't be back at the tables until Sunday evening now.
Take care all, & run good.
Mind you, the quad 5s that busted you looked like small beer midway through when jimjan had a royal flush and then quad queens in the space of a couple of hands.
Nice to see you are running golden in September/October and hopefully Miss Variance doesn't show up with the run bad confetti.
Wanna guess them?
I was playing 6 games at the time, & I prioritise the games in order of blind sizes. So a new table is bottom right, the priority moves clockwise, & I focus most on top right. Those early stages are less crucial, as we can recover from little losses & mistakes, whereas once we get to, say, 150-300, 1 mistake is GG.
I seem to recall flopping or turning the boat, & I knew my man must have a 5, & was not the sort to ever fold, so I was merrily bashing away at the pot button.
I have to say, when the third 5 fell on the river a little cloud of doubt spring into my mind, that was NOT a card I wanted to see, but by then it was a bit late. And, to be fair, we can't generally be folding every time three of a kind hits the board, can we? So I was pretty cool with it, but yeah, it was an unusual one.
10 minutes later, I flopped the steel wheel & got the lot 3 way.
Funny old game.
Has two great nights in a row (Weds & Thursday), so am expecting a bit of a slap in the chops tonight. You know how it is with poker, just when you think you've got it cracked....
Have a great weekend, Barny.
Meanwhile, its 2X Points on SNG's all weekend.
I have 609 & am aiming rather ambitiously for 1,500.
Call it another 900, or 300 per session today, Saturday & Sunday. That's 150 "real" points doubled.
Who is on the unders, & who is on the overs?
"Tikay1 folds."
Where do I claim my prize?