We were joined by a chap who is new to DYM's last night, Redempt, VERY good player who usually just plays PLO8 Heads Up.
Anyway, he joined us last night, played a bunch of games, & was THE most wonderful table company. Plenty of banter, fitted like a glove, was very gracious in victory & defeat to all of us.
He got a bit worried when he saw Twiglet & me exchanging (mock) insults, but then realised it was just two good mates enjoying themselves.
Seems a top, top, bloke, & I hope he stays with us, another quality addition to Team Plop.
Don't think he Posts on the Community yet, but we'll work on him.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Gelders had a great night, he was taking more imaginative lines, & it seemed to pay off. Always respect players who try to do things a little different in the never ending search to get better results. Posted by Tikay10
thks teeks - i do like to mix my play up a bit. however my inspiration for this big jump in style came from a chat with IrishRose, whose NLHE play can be very imaginative, but still gets some great results.
still early days in the experiment but so far so good, and its been a lot of fun.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : thks teeks - i do like to mix my play up a bit. however my inspiration for this big jump in style came from a chat with IrishRose, whose NLHE play can be very imaginative , but still gets some great results. still early days in the experiment but so far so good, and its been a lot of fun. 3.30 2/2 5.5 6/10 11 3/4 Posted by GELDY
You may be 100% assured Gelders, I've watched your change in style these last few days with much interest & amazement, & I mean that in the nicest possible way.
I even had to devise a plan to deal with it!
You are definitely taking some unconventional & imaginative lines, & it caused me much head-scratching, because I don't quite understand it - again, take that as a compliment. You've run up some huge stacks the last few days, too.
My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw your hands a few times last night, I have to confess. It's working though, so good luck to you. I love people who challenge conventional thinking.
Don't go away though Gelders, I have a weird question for you.....(follows)
Teeks, China is humongous, and becoming bigger & more important by the day.
Here's another one for you: Tencent, mkt cap $150bn, they have a free smartphone messaging app wechat that has free voice and video calls etc etc and over 400million users. amazing that - you can have video calls with friends overseas, all for free. way more powerful than the Western equivalent WhatsApp, and vastly more commercial opportunities.
and what of one of your favorite materials - concrete
China now produces and consumes over 60% of the world's cement
and railways - they've just built a 1,100 mile long high speed railway in 4 years - The Lanzhou–Ürümqi High-Speed Railway - that makes our planned HS2 sound like a spare-time project for a branch line!
Gelders, With all the business you do in China, are you familiar with " alibaba.com "? I was listing to the news on Radio 4 this morning, & I was staggered to hear about this website & group of companies, I'd never heard of them. They have more site traffic than e-Bay & Amazon combined ! They have an IPO on the go in the USA right now, which values the company at north of $100 billion dollars, & I'd never heard of them. And it all came from one man, who started the business about 20 years ago. He must be worth an abso fortune. His name is Jack Ma. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma And this is alibaba.com's Wiki page..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alibaba_Group Absolutely staggering. Posted by Tikay10
R4 did a feature on him on monday i think. Well worth looking up on the iplayer.
Dressing in army fatigues and declaring war on ebay.
I love the experiments gelders! My last of five differing 'experiments' concluded ten minutes ago. I'm massively surprised I didn't take a huge bump to the BR, but only played daft in the £3 games. I've somehow got to make sense of the notes and stats I've saved and formulate them into something for the strategy forum. Might be difficult as most of what I did was to prove to myself theories I had, or to disprove certain things I didn't believe. Mostly against certain players, or rather groups of players who play the same hand types the same way, but I'll try to describe what I mean without (obviously) giving away names etc.
The most startling experiment was to disprove a theory in PLO8 I have never believed, that in the later levels, pot raises in position, are subsequently folded by the following blinds, 50, 60 or 70% of the time. That's complete nonsense in the £3 DYMs.
Another costly experiment, was to prove to myself that my player notes/colour coding was correct, with regard to players who will not fold pre-flop, regardless of hands held. That was awesome fun!
Anyways, experiments concluded, if I do something daft now it's me being daft, I'm back to playing my normal game.
I have just registered for and playing my very last £3 game! I ain't good enough to play them, I'm lost with them post flop like I am with the two pound games. £5 only from now on.
"& decrease the £3ers" I have just registered for and playing my very last £3 game! I ain't good enough to play them, I'm lost with them post flop like I am with the two pound games. £5 only from now on. Posted by Macacgirl1
Last night was my last session until Monday, as I have some real life stuff to attend to today until Saturday, & I'm working on Sunday, doing the Show with Anna
Noooo, what bad timing Mr K!!!
I go on my hols on Monday and not back until 24 October, go on admit it you will miss me (and my easy money!!)
Last night was my last session until Monday, as I have some real life stuff to attend to today until Saturday, & I'm working on Sunday, doing the Show with Anna Noooo, what bad timing Mr K!!! I go on my hols on Monday and not back until 24 October, go on admit it you will miss me (and my easy money!!) Good luck at the tables See you soon Mother xxx Posted by Amarie
Morning Mother.
Actually, I will miss you, its always more fun when you are around.
So you are off to Vegas on Monday?
Flying from where, & on what airtline?
What hotel you staying at?
If you hire a car, PLEASE try & visit Mount Charlston Lodge......
Ideally, go first thing in the morning. The drive up the mountain is simply spectacular at that time of day, & you can take breakfast on the Verandah, & take in views on the wonderful log-built houses nestling in the heavily wooded mountain-side.
When you drive up, the first place you see on the Mountain is "Mount Charlston RESORT - this is NOT the place. Drive past that for another 5 minutes & you will arrive at the LODGE.
They are both, remarkably, Ski Lodges in the winter. Imagine, a ski resort 35 kilometres from Las Vegas!
Hope you & Father have a perfectly lovely time, & you'll be much missed here, especially by me.
If you get chance now & then to update us from Vegas, we'd love to hear from you.
If you want to play any PLO8 whilst in Vegas, the best place is The Orleans, who specialise in PLO & PLO8 Tournaments. Word of warning though, most of them are LIMIT, not Pot Limit.
The Orleans is a bit off Strip, quite near The Rio, but an interesting Hotel, with a Bowling Alley, Shops, Cinema, nice range of Restaurants (11), & a very pleasant cardroom.
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks?: [QUOTE]"& decrease the £3ers" I have just registered for and playing my very last £3 game! I ain't good enough to play them, I'm lost with them post flop like I am with the two pound games. £5 only from now on. Posted by Macacgirl1
I hope you don't cease playing the £3ers Karen. You just have to play a little differently in them, but they are still fun to play.
I only plan to reduce them slightly so as to more easily get my 150 Reward Points per night, & do so more quickly. I was just finding that the £3ers ran so frequently, then when a £5 or £11 ran, there was no room on my laptop screen, & I ended up with 7 or 8 tables.
I still expect to play up to 20 @ £3 every night. Apart from anything else, many of our friends only play the £3ers, & I don't really want to "abandon" them.
In terms of results, they are much the same for me as the £5 & £11 games.
In September, @ £3, I've so far played 259, & won 147, so that's a Win-Rate of 59.5%. I'd happily play them & nothing else, but I don't have time to play 50 @ £3 every night, which is what I'd need for 150 Reward Points, thats the only issue. By including £5 & £11, I can reach 150 Points in 30 to 35 games.
Have you measured your results in the £3 games?
Sure, you have to adjust a bit, but they are still fun, & profitable.
I guess I was hasty, I'll play the £3 games during the day. The £5 games don't run then then! I'm only giving them up because I find it difficult to 'try' in them, no other reason. In the £5 and odd £11 game I don't make the sigh/exacerbation/'youhaven'tplayedthathandpreflopsurely call. £3 games I just give up and do! Can't help myself.
Don't forget your flask of bisto for the afternoon tea.
I guess I was hasty, I'll play the £3 games during the day. The £5 games don't run then then! I'm only giving them up because I find it difficult to 'try' in them, no other reason. In the £5 and odd £11 game I don't make the sigh/exacerbation/'youhaven'tplayedthathandpreflopsurely call. £3 games I just give up and do! Can't help myself. Don't forget your flask of bisto for the afternoon tea. Posted by Macacgirl1
Hi teeks, So I notice even YOU have a win-rate of 59% across the DYM's. Not bad going. Makes me a feel a bit better about my game atm. I'm currently languishing on 51% since I started logging my scores after making my 1st deposit back on August 8th, and I KNOW that I need to increase this substantially IF I am to make any progress in DYM's.
OK, I KNOW and acknowledge that there is a distinct difference between myself and you guys, in that you are playing PLO8 and I'm playing NLHE.
In terms of NLHE, I'm taking on advice from a guy called Devonfish5, who has documented significant success playing DYMs.
I've had alot of messages on my thread analysing my play and also my win-rate and even some suggestions about perhaps moving up a couple of levels as my win %'age would garner a small increase in BR rather than it being stagnated as it is at the microstakes when I achieve say cashing 3/5 games.
Dev thinks my skills aren't yet honed enough to move up, and besides I'm happy sticking where I am at the moment, playing the 60p games with my BR being just shy of £40.
Additionally, I have recently added a small top-up in order to gain a reputable sample of 30p Turbo DYM's which attract same points value as the 60p's and therefore I'd be able to chalk up alot more of these games in the same timeframe I take to play a few standard dym's and that way earn much more points and therefore get a much better chance of earning some decent "rake-back" (as some ppl like to call it).
I have also debated on depositing again, a larger sum of money to take a good shot at the higher stakes games but I've had alot of debate both for & against - I wonder what your thought's would be?
In Response to Re: Can an old dog learn new tricks? : Gary I think you maybe need to think a little more before making comments like the bolded bit. Yes, you did have some trolling on the thread but for the most part people are trying to help you. Posted by Jac35
Hi Jac. If you delete your posting, then I'll heavily revise my response to more like what I was trying to say.
EDIT: 1255pm - I have revised my posting as I said I would.
Hi Gary, I know you asked TK for his opinion, but seeing as how I read your message, as will many others, I'll offer my wee bit of advice. Most people will probably agree, that with a limited bankroll, it's essential (If winning is important and you don't want to keep on depositing) to find the game that is best suited to you with regard to the following. A) You/We aren't playing with scared money. You/We are playing at a buy-in level that you can win at over a large sample size. C) You/We are playing at a buy-in level that you can beat the rake, over a large sample size (more important than D) Regardless of A,B & C, you HAVE TO enjoy it.
You can take all the advice onboard from a million people Gary, but it's my opinion that you have to use your own nogging at the end of the day and play a game using A,B,C & D that suits you.
I don't know what is considered to be a suitable BR for £1 DYMs, but I'd be happy to play £1 DYMs with a £40 BR. That's just me, not advice for you, just what I'd do.
Best of luck Gary, enjoy it, whatever you do, that's more important than anything else.
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We were joined by a chap who is new to DYM's last night, Redempt, VERY good player who usually just plays PLO8 Heads Up.
Anyway, he joined us last night, played a bunch of games, & was THE most wonderful table company. Plenty of banter, fitted like a glove, was very gracious in victory & defeat to all of us.
He got a bit worried when he saw Twiglet & me exchanging (mock) insults, but then realised it was just two good mates enjoying themselves.
Seems a top, top, bloke, & I hope he stays with us, another quality addition to Team Plop.
Don't think he Posts on the Community yet, but we'll work on him.
Welcome aboard Mr Redempt.
I even had to devise a plan to deal with it!
You are definitely taking some unconventional & imaginative lines, & it caused me much head-scratching, because I don't quite understand it - again, take that as a compliment. You've run up some huge stacks the last few days, too.
My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw your hands a few times last night, I have to confess. It's working though, so good luck to you. I love people who challenge conventional thinking.
Don't go away though Gelders, I have a weird question for you.....(follows)
Gelders,
With all the business you do in China, are you familiar with "alibaba.com"?
I was listing to the news on Radio 4 this morning, & I was staggered to hear about this website & group of companies, I'd never heard of them.
They have more site traffic than e-Bay & Amazon combined!
They have an IPO on the go in the USA right now, which values the company at north of $100 billion dollars, & I'd never heard of them.
And it all came from one man, who started the business about 20 years ago. He must be worth an abso fortune.
His name is Jack Ma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma
And this is alibaba.com's Wiki page.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alibaba_Group
Absolutely staggering.
I love the experiments gelders!
My last of five differing 'experiments' concluded ten minutes ago. I'm massively surprised I didn't take a huge bump to the BR, but only played daft in the £3 games.
I've somehow got to make sense of the notes and stats I've saved and formulate them into something for the strategy forum. Might be difficult as most of what I did was to prove to myself theories I had, or to disprove certain things I didn't believe. Mostly against certain players, or rather groups of players who play the same hand types the same way, but I'll try to describe what I mean without (obviously) giving away names etc.
The most startling experiment was to disprove a theory in PLO8 I have never believed, that in the later levels, pot raises in position, are subsequently folded by the following blinds, 50, 60 or 70% of the time. That's complete nonsense in the £3 DYMs.
Another costly experiment, was to prove to myself that my player notes/colour coding was correct, with regard to players who will not fold pre-flop, regardless of hands held. That was awesome fun!
Anyways, experiments concluded, if I do something daft now it's me being daft, I'm back to playing my normal game.
Best of luck all.
I have just registered for and playing my very last £3 game!
I ain't good enough to play them, I'm lost with them post flop like I am with the two pound games.
£5 only from now on.
Been nice playing with you :-(((
Pretty much the same faces but with less of the anyfour, anypair, anyace.com brigade.
So i can't bring my spanners then ! :-)
Probably give it a few weeks or so.
Need to recover from the 6 week runbad i had.
Actually, I will miss you, its always more fun when you are around.
So you are off to Vegas on Monday?
Flying from where, & on what airtline?
What hotel you staying at?
If you hire a car, PLEASE try & visit Mount Charlston Lodge......
http://www.lasvegas.com/listing/mt-charleston-lodge/6600/
Ideally, go first thing in the morning. The drive up the mountain is simply spectacular at that time of day, & you can take breakfast on the Verandah, & take in views on the wonderful log-built houses nestling in the heavily wooded mountain-side.
When you drive up, the first place you see on the Mountain is "Mount Charlston RESORT - this is NOT the place. Drive past that for another 5 minutes & you will arrive at the LODGE.
They are both, remarkably, Ski Lodges in the winter. Imagine, a ski resort 35 kilometres from Las Vegas!
Hope you & Father have a perfectly lovely time, & you'll be much missed here, especially by me.
If you get chance now & then to update us from Vegas, we'd love to hear from you.
If you want to play any PLO8 whilst in Vegas, the best place is The Orleans, who specialise in PLO & PLO8 Tournaments. Word of warning though, most of them are LIMIT, not Pot Limit.
The Orleans is a bit off Strip, quite near The Rio, but an interesting Hotel, with a Bowling Alley, Shops, Cinema, nice range of Restaurants (11), & a very pleasant cardroom.
xx
[QUOTE]"& decrease the £3ers" I have just registered for and playing my very last £3 game! I ain't good enough to play them, I'm lost with them post flop like I am with the two pound games. £5 only from now on.
Posted by Macacgirl1
I hope you don't cease playing the £3ers Karen. You just have to play a little differently in them, but they are still fun to play.
I only plan to reduce them slightly so as to more easily get my 150 Reward Points per night, & do so more quickly. I was just finding that the £3ers ran so frequently, then when a £5 or £11 ran, there was no room on my laptop screen, & I ended up with 7 or 8 tables.
I still expect to play up to 20 @ £3 every night. Apart from anything else, many of our friends only play the £3ers, & I don't really want to "abandon" them.
In terms of results, they are much the same for me as the £5 & £11 games.
In September, @ £3, I've so far played 259, & won 147, so that's a Win-Rate of 59.5%. I'd happily play them & nothing else, but I don't have time to play 50 @ £3 every night, which is what I'd need for 150 Reward Points, thats the only issue. By including £5 & £11, I can reach 150 Points in 30 to 35 games.
Have you measured your results in the £3 games?
Sure, you have to adjust a bit, but they are still fun, & profitable.
I guess I was hasty, I'll play the £3 games during the day. The £5 games don't run then then!
I'm only giving them up because I find it difficult to 'try' in them, no other reason. In the £5 and odd £11 game I don't make the sigh/exacerbation/'youhaven'tplayedthathandpreflopsurely call. £3 games I just give up and do! Can't help myself.
Don't forget your flask of bisto for the afternoon tea.
Splitting your days then! :-))
So I notice even YOU have a win-rate of 59% across the DYM's. Not bad going. Makes me a feel a bit better about my game atm. I'm currently languishing on 51% since I started logging my scores after making my 1st deposit back on August 8th, and I KNOW that I need to increase this substantially IF I am to make any progress in DYM's.
OK, I KNOW and acknowledge that there is a distinct difference between myself and you guys, in that you are playing PLO8 and I'm playing NLHE.
In terms of NLHE, I'm taking on advice from a guy called Devonfish5, who has documented significant success playing DYMs.
I've had alot of messages on my thread analysing my play and also my win-rate and even some suggestions about perhaps moving up a couple of levels as my win %'age would garner a small increase in BR rather than it being stagnated as it is at the microstakes when I achieve say cashing 3/5 games.
Dev thinks my skills aren't yet honed enough to move up, and besides I'm happy sticking where I am at the moment, playing the 60p games with my BR being just shy of £40.
Additionally, I have recently added a small top-up in order to gain a reputable sample of 30p Turbo DYM's which attract same points value as the 60p's and therefore I'd be able to chalk up alot more of these games in the same timeframe I take to play a few standard dym's and that way earn much more points and therefore get a much better chance of earning some decent "rake-back" (as some ppl like to call it).
I have also debated on depositing again, a larger sum of money to take a good shot at the higher stakes games but I've had alot of debate both for & against - I wonder what your thought's would be?
EDIT: 1255pm - I have revised my posting as I said I would.
Most people will probably agree, that with a limited bankroll, it's essential (If winning is important and you don't want to keep on depositing) to find the game that is best suited to you with regard to the following.
A) You/We aren't playing with scared money.
C) You/We are playing at a buy-in level that you can beat the rake, over a large sample size (more important than
D) Regardless of A,B & C, you HAVE TO enjoy it.
You can take all the advice onboard from a million people Gary, but it's my opinion that you have to use your own nogging at the end of the day and play a game using A,B,C & D that suits you.
I don't know what is considered to be a suitable BR for £1 DYMs, but I'd be happy to play £1 DYMs with a £40 BR. That's just me, not advice for you, just what I'd do.
Best of luck Gary, enjoy it, whatever you do, that's more important than anything else.