Had a horrible day on the 20th had nasty outdraws pretty much all day.Due to the gangster that is variance deciding to smack me up, take my watch and pawn it off my bankroll plummeted to around £199.
21st to 22nd September: I have been ONLY 3-tabling the 3.30 DYMs to get an idea of my winning % and profit per game.
So far I have played:47 won:33 Win rate:70.2% (not bad so far, lets see if I can keep that up)
Now I may not be doing the correct maths here, but I think if I multiply my win rate as a decimal (0.702) by the payout (£6 per win) and subtract the buyin (£3.30) I will get my average profit. (Please correct me if i'm wrong)
So: (0.72*6)-3.30= 91p per game
Current bankroll: £240.14 (would have been a bit higher but my computer crashed while I was in 2 games and caused losses, because of this I didn't include them in the stats)
Had a horrible day on the 20th had nasty outdraws pretty much all day.Due to the gangster that is variance deciding to smack me up, take my watch and pawn it off my bankroll plummeted to around £199. 21st to 22nd September: I have been ONLY 3-tabling the 3.30 DYMs to get an idea of my winning % and profit per game. So far I have played:47 won:33 Win rate:70.2% (not bad so far, lets see if I can keep that up) Now I may not be doing the correct maths here, but I think if I multiply my win rate as a decimal (0.702) by the payout (£6 per win) and subtract the buyin (£3.30) I will get my average profit. (Please correct me if i'm wrong) So: (0.72*6)-3.30= 91p per game Current bankroll: £240.14 (would have been a bit higher but my computer crashed while I was in 2 games and caused losses, because of this I didn't include them in the stats) Posted by Poker_Fail
Dude , thats some A* maths. Easier to just divide ur proffit by number of games. e.g 20 proffit, 10 games. = £2 proffit per game.
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Dude , thats some A* maths. Easier to just divide ur proffit by number of games. e.g 20 proffit, 10 games. = £2 proffit per game. Posted by 1267
Thanks lol, the only problem with that is I lost a couple buyins due to my computer crashing (which I obviously don't want to include), but I guess I could have just added £6.60 to the profit before dividing.
just doubled up on 1st hand in a £5.50 DYM but went out on the bubble
I was sitting comfortably down to the bubble in 2nd with the blinds at 100/200 but i almost stopped playing and never went for any blind steals. In a strange twist of hands i was soon the shortsatck, but how often should I have been going for blind steals from the SB or button on a pretty tight table and what size raises as it was mainly in the 100/200 level I seemed to get caught up and passed?
I was totally card dead but i no thats no excuse nd know i played it badly
Got unbeleivable lucky on the bubble but should i have shoved pre?
If the stacks were similar to this setup I'd much preferred to shove with ATC in the previous hand to this. As played checking behind like you did seems better than a Shove pre.
Johnconner, gl with your £20 to £1000 challange, I'm sure you will nail it. I think the hardest part for you will be to get out of the rake trap of the sub £3 buyins. I'm going to take you up on your offer for others to do there own personal challange and post progress in this thread. But I'm going to start at the £3.30. Ill start tomorrow, Sunday. I'll deposit £60 and play to 20buyins (excluding rake) and try to run it upto £1000
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Are you including the monthly bonus in your challenge? A couple weeks ago I had £30 in my account which is now £220 through almost exclusively playing DYMs and I was also planning to get to £1000 before withdrawing lol so does this count for this challenge? (I know it's just for fun) Posted by Poker_Fail
Hi Poker_Fail, good luck with your challenge sir! As WHOAMI196 says, of course what you have done counts for the challenge, please feel free to post updates here. And, yes, I would certainly include monthly bonuses, they can be quite significant in relation to you bankroll.
Also, that 20/22 session is pretty incredible, more of those please. Varience, can bite back, though, as you have seen and I hope you continue with the challenge and wish you every success with reaching the £1k mark.
hi i have a question, i read through your method and i kinda already use a method similar to that, i learned to play poker on the DYMs on other sites, when i came to sky i moved on to cash tables, but the varience is so high, and then i realised that whenever i lost at the cash tables i could just go play a DYM and win it all back only once out of 5 times did i attempt to do this and fail anyways my question is this, when starting off with a small bankroll, i have built my BR up to £20 on the cash tables but then hit a blocker of ups and downs, do you think it would be more profitable if i started playing DYMs to build on the bank roll?or should i stick to cash tables? Posted by sillymunch
Hi sillymunch,
I can't really say whether cash or DYMs are the correct way forward for you, unfortunately, it is down to the individual. I personally cannot play cash for the life of me, despite several attempts. What I will say, though, is that if you are continually hitting the wall at cash when you reach £20 BR, then, yes, it may well be more profitable to use DYMs as a method of building a bankroll. Best of luck to you, whichever route you go down.
Got unbeleivable lucky on the bubble but should i have shoved pre? Ps - i knew by checking i was going all in on flop 90 percent £5.50 DYM I figured I had to go all inon flop as he hadnt raised pre so no pairs and i wudda been up against 3 big stacks with just over 1 BB Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance wrongjohn1 Small blind 300.00 300.00 3415.00 MP33 Big blind 600.00 900.00 1260.00 Your hole cards 3 J mitzz24 Call 600.00 1500.00 1820.00 bertie123 Fold wrongjohn1 Fold MP33 Check Flop 4 6 6 MP33 All-in 1260.00 2760.00 0.00 mitzz24 Call 1260.00 4020.00 560.00 MP33 Show 3 J mitzz24 Show Q K Turn 5 River 2 MP33 Win Straight Flush to the 6 4020.00 4020.00 Posted by MP33
Hi MP33,
As has been said, there may have been an issue here where shoving ATC the previous hand would have been better, I don't know the circumstances. Taking this hand in isolation, I like the way you've played it. You have (or definately should have) zero fold equity pre-flop, so shoving isn't really an option. When a great board like that comes down, I really, really like your play, wd sir. I don't think he calls without 2 spades (or a K or Q on board obv) which makes you pretty unlucky to get a call here. When thinks like this happen (you outdraw) I like to think that fortune is smiling on the player who played the hand best. I'm not 100% sure that's how it works though . . . :-)
Q for John or anyone else just doubled up on 1st hand in a £5.50 DYM but went out on the bubble I was sitting comfortably down to the bubble in 2nd with the blinds at 100/200 but i almost stopped playing and never went for any blind steals. In a strange twist of hands i was soon the shortsatck, but how often should I have been going for blind steals from the SB or button on a pretty tight table and what size raises as it was mainly in the 100/200 level I seemed to get caught up and passed? I was totally card dead but i no thats no excuse nd know i played it badly Cheers Posted by MP33
Hi again MP33,
Good question that. People say that an early double up is a guaranteed cash, but as I said in the blog it doesn't always pan out like that. Anyway, doubling up early has a (sort of) hidden advantage when it comes to stealing later. It allows you to create a super-tight image as opposed to a tight one. From your post, it seems you folded every hand after doubling up. That's certainly fine for a while, in the absence of premiums. But, you should be careful not to let your stack dwindle too much. If my stack starts to approach 3,000 or less and the blinds are 75/150 or 100/200, I don't mind going for a sb or button steal. If you think about your image in this game, it is clear that a steal will have a very high success rate in these spots. An indicator that your image is super-tight and that you are getting dragged into trouble, is when the whole table seems to be taking it in turns to steal your blinds. A steal or resteal here would be a good counter.
In terms of sizing, it's really upto you. My raise size at the 100/200 level is to 500 but 450 or even less would possibly be better.
Johnconner, gl with your £20 to £1000 challange, I'm sure you will nail it. I think the hardest part for you will be to get out of the rake trap of the sub £3 buyins. I'm going to take you up on your offer for others to do there own personal challange and post progress in this thread. But I'm going to start at the £3.30. Ill start tomorrow, Sunday. I'll deposit £60 and play to 20buyins (excluding rake) and try to run it upto £1000 Posted by TWRAMYEP
Hi there TWRAMYEP, thanks mate. It's now a £14 to £1k challenge :-( lol. Anyway, best of luck if you are trying this challenge, as there were no updates from Sunday I hope you haven't changed your mind or suffered a bad session...
I'm now off to play a few. Haven't played for well over a week now which is by far the longest I've gone since starting poker over 2 years ago...
BR - £13.67. Can't get anything going and pretty frustrated at the moment. Can't play tonight either :-( so hope to put in my first really decent session tomorrow and get the ball rolling abit.
Only one hand really sticks out:
Player
Action
Cards
Amount
Pot
Balance
AJ_Rockets
Small blind
15.00
15.00
2075.00
JohnConnor
Big blind
30.00
45.00
1635.00
Your hole cards
J
7
xxx
Call
30.00
75.00
4255.00
acebarry10
Fold
dorapete11
Fold
AJ_Rockets
Call
15.00
90.00
2060.00
JohnConnor
Check
Flop
6
7
J
AJ_Rockets
Check
JohnConnor
Bet
90.00
180.00
1545.00
xxx
Call
90.00
270.00
4165.00
AJ_Rockets
Call
90.00
360.00
1970.00
Turn
4
AJ_Rockets
Check
JohnConnor
Bet
360.00
720.00
1185.00
xxx
Call
360.00
1080.00
3805.00
AJ_Rockets
Fold
River
3
JohnConnor
All-in
1185.00
2265.00
0.00
xxx
Call
1185.00
3450.00
2620.00
JohnConnor
Show
J
7
xxx
Show
8
2
xxx
Win
Flush to the Jack
3450.00
6070.00
Against such a weak player I'm calling any river bet and I think they call with any pair, so I shove the river. Ugh.
Also, connection probs that forced me to quit playing full-time showed signs of returning and I was only 2-4 tabling :-(. Very frustrating and if they contionue I guess I'd be forced to abandon this challenge. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that, though:
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Hi there TWRAMYEP, thanks mate. It's now a £14 to £1k challenge :-( lol. Anyway, best of luck if you are trying this challenge, as there were no updates from Sunday I hope you haven't changed your mind or suffered a bad session... I'm now off to play a few. Haven't played for well over a week now which is by far the longest I've gone since starting poker over 2 years ago... Posted by JohnConnor
Im still at it, im upto the £5s now, still mixing in a few £3s also
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Hi Poker_Fail, good luck with your challenge sir! As WHOAMI196 says, of course what you have done counts for the challenge, please feel free to post updates here. And, yes, I would certainly include monthly bonuses, they can be quite significant in relation to you bankroll. Also, that 20/22 session is pretty incredible, more of those please. Varience, can bite back, though, as you have seen and I hope you continue with the challenge and wish you every success with reaching the £1k mark. Posted by JohnConnor
Thanks a lot, and best of luck to you too.
My current bankroll is approx £250 atm but i am currently grinding league points (27th for STTs with people catching up) so i am playing lots of the £1.15s (which are the best for league points by far imo) and the Turbo DYMs. Will be grinding properly again at the start of October.
PS very unlucky with the connection problems, I have a similar situation with my computer crashing which has lost me a total of about £160 (although only 10 of that has been since I started this challenge) which is a large ammount for the stakes I have played. This is the reason why I hesitate to move up the stakes
In Response to Re: ABC of DYM's, by JOHNCONNOR : Hi again MP33, Good question that. People say that an early double up is a guaranteed cash, but as I said in the blog it doesn't always pan out like that. Anyway, doubling up early has a (sort of) hidden advantage when it comes to stealing later. It allows you to create a super- tight image as opposed to a tight one. From your post, it seems you folded every hand after doubling up. That's certainly fine for a while, in the absence of premiums. But, you should be careful not to let your stack dwindle too much. If my stack starts to approach 3,000 or less and the blinds are 75/150 or 100/200, I don't mind going for a sb or button steal. If you think about your image in this game, it is clear that a steal will have a very high success rate in these spots. An indicator that your image is super -tight and that you are getting dragged into trouble, is when the whole table seems to be taking it in turns to steal your blinds. A steal or resteal here would be a good counter. In terms of sizing, it's really upto you. My raise size at the 100/200 level is to 500 but 450 or even less would possibly be better. Posted by JohnConnor
Decent session yesterday which would have been a good one but for running pretty poorly (also connection problems accounted for 3 buy-ins). In the last game, though, I came back from 30 chips (1/10th of a big blind) to cash, which is a personal best for me.
Played 45 £0.60s: W 26 L19 BR - £13.87
Can't wait to move up from the £0.60s (hopefully!). Will try and have a decent session again today.
Finally had a good day today, I thought it was never going to come lol. Had one game finish inside level 1 which I think is the first time that's happened to me in 12k games. Also had one which would have finished on the 3rd hand had the all-in gone the other way.
Games were notably softer this evening which feels like a weird thing to say about games that are only £0.60 anyway. Made two adjustments which I think have helped at this level. I've tried to play smaller pots with AK (at least pre-flop while it's unmade). I've still been raising with it and sometimes 3 betting, just 3 betting a bit less, eg if the pot already looks to be heads up and large enough. People don't respect 3 bets, if they raise, they want to play the hand usually. Also, I've been shoving on the sb when they've made up less and have checked back instead. Again, once they've invested money they've seemed to want to play so shoving wasn't working as well as it does at higher levels.
Played 66 £0.60s W 47 L 19 BR - £21.67
BR required for £1.15s is £23. As I am getting £5 C4P I may move up in the morning but I will see. I may play £0.60s again during the day and try and move up at night.
Comments
Some days I win nearly every game : ) but others I struggle to break even
21st to 22nd September: I have been ONLY 3-tabling the 3.30 DYMs to get an idea of my winning % and profit per game.
So far I have played:47
won:33
Win rate:70.2% (not bad so far, lets see if I can keep that up)
Now I may not be doing the correct maths here, but I think if I multiply my win rate as a decimal (0.702) by the payout (£6 per win) and subtract the buyin (£3.30) I will get my average profit. (Please correct me if i'm wrong)
So: (0.72*6)-3.30= 91p per game
Current bankroll: £240.14
(would have been a bit higher but my computer crashed while I was in 2 games and caused losses, because of this I didn't include them in the stats)
Common sense FTW!
Ps - i knew by checking i was going all in on flop 90 percent
£5.50 DYM
I figured I had to go all inon flop as he hadnt raised pre so no pairs and i wudda been up against 3 big stacks with just over 1 BB
just doubled up on 1st hand in a £5.50 DYM but went out on the bubble
I was sitting comfortably down to the bubble in 2nd with the blinds at 100/200 but i almost stopped playing and never went for any blind steals. In a strange twist of hands i was soon the shortsatck, but how often should I have been going for blind steals from the SB or button on a pretty tight table and what size raises as it was mainly in the 100/200 level I seemed to get caught up and passed?
I was totally card dead but i no thats no excuse nd know i played it badly
Cheers
As played checking behind like you did seems better than a Shove pre.
Johnconner, gl with your £20 to £1000 challange, I'm sure you will nail it. I think the hardest part for you will be to get out of the rake trap of the sub £3 buyins.
I'm going to take you up on your offer for others to do there own personal challange and post progress in this thread. But I'm going to start at the £3.30. Ill start tomorrow, Sunday. I'll deposit £60 and play to 20buyins (excluding rake) and try to run it upto £1000
Also, that 20/22 session is pretty incredible, more of those please. Varience, can bite back, though, as you have seen and I hope you continue with the challenge and wish you every success with reaching the £1k mark.
I can't really say whether cash or DYMs are the correct way forward for you, unfortunately, it is down to the individual. I personally cannot play cash for the life of me, despite several attempts. What I will say, though, is that if you are continually hitting the wall at cash when you reach £20 BR, then, yes, it may well be more profitable to use DYMs as a method of building a bankroll. Best of luck to you, whichever route you go down.
As has been said, there may have been an issue here where shoving ATC the previous hand would have been better, I don't know the circumstances. Taking this hand in isolation, I like the way you've played it. You have (or definately should have) zero fold equity pre-flop, so shoving isn't really an option. When a great board like that comes down, I really, really like your play, wd sir. I don't think he calls without 2 spades (or a K or Q on board obv) which makes you pretty unlucky to get a call here. When thinks like this happen (you outdraw) I like to think that fortune is smiling on the player who played the hand best. I'm not 100% sure that's how it works though . . . :-)
Good question that. People say that an early double up is a guaranteed cash, but as I said in the blog it doesn't always pan out like that. Anyway, doubling up early has a (sort of) hidden advantage when it comes to stealing later. It allows you to create a super-tight image as opposed to a tight one. From your post, it seems you folded every hand after doubling up. That's certainly fine for a while, in the absence of premiums. But, you should be careful not to let your stack dwindle too much. If my stack starts to approach 3,000 or less and the blinds are 75/150 or 100/200, I don't mind going for a sb or button steal. If you think about your image in this game, it is clear that a steal will have a very high success rate in these spots. An indicator that your image is super-tight and that you are getting dragged into trouble, is when the whole table seems to be taking it in turns to steal your blinds. A steal or resteal here would be a good counter.
In terms of sizing, it's really upto you. My raise size at the 100/200 level is to 500 but 450 or even less would possibly be better.
I'm now off to play a few. Haven't played for well over a week now which is by far the longest I've gone since starting poker over 2 years ago...
Played just 4 games as have to go out:
2 x £0.30 W1 L1
2 X £0.60 W1 L1
BR - £13.67. Can't get anything going and pretty frustrated at the moment. Can't play tonight either :-( so hope to put in my first really decent session tomorrow and get the ball rolling abit.
Only one hand really sticks out:
Also, connection probs that forced me to quit playing full-time showed signs of returning and I was only 2-4 tabling :-(. Very frustrating and if they contionue I guess I'd be forced to abandon this challenge. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that, though:
My current bankroll is approx £250 atm but i am currently grinding league points (27th for STTs with people catching up) so i am playing lots of the £1.15s (which are the best for league points by far imo) and the Turbo DYMs. Will be grinding properly again at the start of October.
PS very unlucky with the connection problems, I have a similar situation with my computer crashing which has lost me a total of about £160 (although only 10 of that has been since I started this challenge) which is a large ammount for the stakes I have played. This is the reason why I hesitate to move up the stakes
when will they learn ??
Decent session yesterday which would have been a good one but for running pretty poorly (also connection problems accounted for 3 buy-ins). In the last game, though, I came back from 30 chips (1/10th of a big blind) to cash, which is a personal best for me.
Played 45 £0.60s:
W 26 L19
BR - £13.87
Can't wait to move up from the £0.60s (hopefully!). Will try and have a decent session again today.
Games were notably softer this evening which feels like a weird thing to say about games that are only £0.60 anyway. Made two adjustments which I think have helped at this level. I've tried to play smaller pots with AK (at least pre-flop while it's unmade). I've still been raising with it and sometimes 3 betting, just 3 betting a bit less, eg if the pot already looks to be heads up and large enough. People don't respect 3 bets, if they raise, they want to play the hand usually. Also, I've been shoving on the sb when they've made up less and have checked back instead. Again, once they've invested money they've seemed to want to play so shoving wasn't working as well as it does at higher levels.
Played 66 £0.60s
W 47 L 19
BR - £21.67
BR required for £1.15s is £23. As I am getting £5 C4P I may move up in the morning but I will see. I may play £0.60s again during the day and try and move up at night.