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Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    If you're going to get beat, get beat in style. My eyes were alight with aspirations of winning DTD1 at the point all the chips went in and I'd have taken the chip lead.  Probably best I didn't though, Stewie7 was a much more worthy Outlaw winner!! I also totally deserved this after doubling up a few orbits earlier from the same oppo, with A3 vs KK that flopped 33x (3s are always lucky :) ) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance xxx Small blind   2000.00 2000.00 24315.00 shakinaces Big blind   4000.00 6000.00 70935.00   Your hole cards 9 10       murphy06 Fold         Cormach Fold         Ice_Tiger Fold         xxx Call   2000.00 8000.00 22315.00 shakinaces Check         Flop     J K Q       xxxx Bet   4000.00 12000.00 18315.00 shakinaces Raise   24000.00 36000.00 46935.00 xxxx All-in   18315.00 54315.00 0.00 shakinaces Unmatched bet   1685.00 52630.00 48620.00 xxxx Show 8 K       shakinaces Show 9 10       Turn     K       River     K       xxxx Win Four Kings 52630.00   52630.00 I think I mostly failed with betting with stack sizes / bet sizing last night and kept having to call off spots that I knew I was behind in, but had left oppo with so little relative to pot that I had to call... just couldn't find any binkability from that point. Mind you, having had to climb in to the house through a window and subsequently kick my front door in to get home after footy, I probably didn't have much of a head on for cards. For the modern man that doesn't have to rely on making fire, hunting for food etc, kicking doors open is an expensive but enjoyable pastime. Need some rungood this weekend to cover the damage bill now :)
    Posted by shakinaces
    It sounds fun, but smashing back doors in sounds more fun.
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables : It sounds fun, but smashing back doors in sounds more fun.
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    I don't want to judge mate, but I'm not keen on ever having my own back door smashed in by me or anyone else...
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables : I don't want to judge mate, but I'm not keen on ever having my own back door smashed in by me or anyone else...
    Posted by shakinaces
    You got a cat flap?
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited February 2015

    Yesterday was one of those odd sessions where I started like an absolute steam-train but somehow inexplicably still ended up an NL20 buy in down by the time I gave up for the night. Perhaps positive tilt gets the better of me when I'm not scrapping to make up losing 50-100bb during the first half hour's play in a day?

    3 remains my lucky number. This guy had been aggro in the first couple of orbits... took all my will power to keep checking though, 99% of the time I bottle it and bet/raise before the river irrespective of how convinced I am that the oppo will bet.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Eagleforce Small blind  £0.20 £0.20 £55.46
    hhyftrftdr Big blind  £0.20 £0.40 £19.80
      Your hole cards
    • 3
    • 3
    		     
    SCessex Fold     
    shakinaces Raise  £0.80 £1.20 £20.07
    xxxxCall  £0.80 £2.00 £38.95
    Eagleforce Fold     
    hhyftrftdr Fold     
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 3
    • 3
    		     
    shakinaces Check     
    xxxxBet  £1.60 £3.60 £37.35
    shakinaces Call  £1.60 £5.20 £18.47
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    shakinaces Check     
    xxxxBet  £1.00 £6.20 £36.35
    shakinaces Call  £1.00 £7.20 £17.47
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    shakinaces Check     
    xxxxBet  £3.80 £11.00 £32.55
    shakinaces All-in  £17.47 £28.47 £0.00
    xxxxCall  £13.67 £42.14 £18.88
    shakinaces Show
    • 3
    • 3
    		   
    xxxxShow
    • 9
    • Q
    		   
    shakinaces Win Four 3s £40.34  £40.34
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited February 2015

    I was marginally the wrong side of the cooler spots (which I'm not going to waste time posting), but I kind of feel like I should be finding a way to get away from some/all of these marginal(ish) spots?

    The final AQ call was a part-misclick in that I didn't see the second guy call, I thought I was just calling the donk-lead and could be good with TPQK.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    zzzSmall blind  £0.20 £0.20 £20.44
    hhyftrftdr Big blind  £0.20 £0.40 £33.10
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    5toneFace Fold     
    xxxxxxxxCall  £0.20 £0.60 £24.53
    yyyCall  £0.20 £0.80 £18.40
    shakinaces Raise  £1.20 £2.00 £23.21
    zzzCall  £1.00 £3.00 £19.44
    hhyftrftdr Fold     
    xxxxxxxxCall  £1.00 £4.00 £23.53
    yyyCall  £1.00 £5.00 £17.40
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 4
    • 2
    		     
    zzzzCheck     
    xxxxxxxxBet  £2.50 £7.50 £21.03
    yyyCall  £2.50 £10.00 £14.90
    shakinaces Raise  £7.80 £17.80 £15.41
    zzzFold     
    xxxxxxxCall  £5.30 £23.10 £15.73
    yyyCall  £5.30 £28.40 £9.60
    Turn
       
    • K
    		     
    xxxxxxxxCheck     
    yyyBet  £8.00 £36.40 £1.60
    shakinaces All-in  £15.41 £51.81 £0.00
    xxxxxxxxCall  £15.41 £67.22 £0.32
    yyyAll-in  £1.60 £68.82 £0.00
    xxxxxxxxShow
    • 10
    • 2
    		   
    yyyShow
    • K
    • A
    		   
    shakinaces Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    xxxxxxxWin Flush to the Ace £67.02  £67.34
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    RAMBO007 Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £61.02
    Morris707 Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £23.88
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
    		     
    FORDYCE Fold     
    Curt360x27 Fold     
    xxxxxxxRaise  £0.60 £0.90 £15.56
    shakinaces Call  £0.60 £1.50 £42.72
    yyyCall  £0.50 £2.00 £60.52
    Morris707 Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • J
    • 9
    		     
    yyyCheck     
    xxxxxxBet  £1.20 £3.20 £14.36
    shakinaces Call  £1.20 £4.40 £41.52
    yyyFold     
    Turn
       
    • A
    		     
    xxxxxxxBet  £2.60 £7.00 £11.76
    shakinaces Call  £2.60 £9.60 £38.92
    River
       
    • 3
    		     
    xxxxxxxAll-in  £11.76 £21.36 £0.00
    shakinaces Call  £11.76 £33.12 £27.16
    xxxxxxxShow
    • 3
    • 4
    		   
    shakinaces Show
    • A
    • Q
    		   
    xxxxxxxWin Three 3s £31.46  £31.46
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxxxxxSmall blind  £0.10 £0.10 £11.44
    DeuceAK_47 Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £22.03
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
    		     
    shakinaces Raise  £0.60 £0.90 £19.40
    UTRBABY Fold     
    yyyCall  £0.60 £1.50 £11.36
    xxxxxxCall  £0.50 £2.00 £10.94
    DeuceAK_47 Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 4
    • 3
    		     
    xxxxxxCheck     
    shakinaces Bet  £1.20 £3.20 £18.20
    yyyCall  £1.20 £4.40 £10.16
    xxxxxxCall  £1.20 £5.60 £9.74
    Turn
       
    • 4
    		     
    xxxxxxxBet  £0.60 £6.20 £9.14
    shakinaces Raise  £3.00 £9.20 £15.20
    yyyFold     
    xxxxxxxRaise  £4.80 £14.00 £4.34
    shakinaces All-in  £15.20 £29.20 £0.00
    xxxxxxxAll-in  £4.34 £33.54 £0.00
    shakinaces Unmatched bet  £8.46 £25.08 £8.46
    xxxxxxShow
    • A
    • 7
    		   
    shakinaces Show
    • Q
    • Q
    		   
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    xxxxxxxWin Flush to the Ace £23.82  £23.82
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    bet3pm_co Small blind  £0.20 £0.20 £17.60
    xxxxxxxxBig blind  £0.20 £0.40 £17.06
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		     
    sudstah Fold     
    yyyyyyyRaise  £0.40 £0.80 £14.94
    Curt360x27 Fold     
    shakinaces Raise  £1.40 £2.20 £18.60
    bet3pm_co Fold     
    xxxxxxxCall  £1.20 £3.40 £15.86
    yyyyyyyCall  £1.00 £4.40 £13.94
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 3
    • J
    		     
    xxxxxxxBet  £2.20 £6.60 £13.66
    yyyyyyyyCall  £2.20 £8.80 £11.74
    shakinaces Call  £2.20 £11.00 £16.40
    Turn
       
    • 4
    		     
    xxxxxxxAll-in  £13.66 £24.66 £0.00
    yyyyyyyyAll-in  £11.74 £36.40 £0.00
    shakinaces Call  £13.66 £50.06 £2.74
    xxxxxxShow
    • A
    • K
    		   
    yyyyyyyShow
    • 7
    • A
    		   
    shakinaces Show
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    yyyyyyyWin Flush to the Ace £44.55  £44.55
    xxxxxxxWin Pair of Aces £3.71  £3.71
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  • samantha25samantha25 Member Posts: 1,445
    edited February 2015
    still shocked H made a fold v you ;)
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    still shocked H made a fold v you ;)
    Posted by samantha25
    H never seems to want to play pots with me :(
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  • samantha25samantha25 Member Posts: 1,445
    edited February 2015
    prob stems from yr slowroll with the nutz that Fri nite we all hit drunk cash :)

    bearing in mind I was shoving with any suited connectors pre, you may have come across nitty ;) #tablevalue
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    prob stems from yr slowroll with the nutz that Fri nite we all hit drunk cash :) bearing in mind I was shoving with any suited connectors pre, you may have come across nitty ;) #tablevalue
    Posted by samantha25
    Yeah I don't think I'm put together right.  I get nittier the drunker I get.  That's why this month has been such a struggle while sober, spewing off chips on a regular basis :/
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  • samantha25samantha25 Member Posts: 1,445
    edited February 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables : Yeah I don't think I'm put together right.  I get nittier the drunker I get.  That's why this month has been such a struggle while sober, spewing off chips on a regular basis :/
    Posted by shakinaces

    Wish I had this problem ;)

    Anyway, new month sooneth... time for beers, and more beers :)
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    Two fun hands from the weekend that will have to be described as range-merging for meta-game purposes or something else that I am blatantly not sufficiently skilled to know about, understand, or use :)

    The first one with a reg vs me - totally did the job of confusing me... possibly should bet the river and figure that I no longer need to fear a flopped straight and am much more likely to have a chance of being called by a 2pr hand? 
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    balazar Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £14.58
    xxxxxBig blind  £0.20 £0.30 £36.25
    JimiAls1 Sit out     
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    		     
    weeburns07 Fold     
    UTRBABY Fold     
    shakinaces Raise  £0.40 £0.70 £36.32
    balazar Fold     
    xxxxxCall  £0.20 £0.90 £36.05
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • J
    • 7
    		     
    xxxxxBet  £0.40 £1.30 £35.65
    shakinaces Raise  £1.20 £2.50 £35.12
    xxxxxRaise  £3.28 £5.78 £32.37
    shakinaces Call  £2.48 £8.26 £32.64
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    xxxxxBet  £4.20 £12.46 £28.17
    shakinaces Call  £4.20 £16.66 £28.44
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    xxxxxCheck     
    shakinaces Check     
    xxxxxShow
    • 8
    • Q
    		   
    shakinaces Show
    • 7
    • 7
    		   
    shakinaces Win Three 7s £15.82  £44.26
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    Then getting 'creative' myself vs another reg with one of my lucky hands... which combined with my general luckboxness was sufficient to bink...

    FWIW I've probably 3-bet IP vs this person too frequently over the last month or so, which meant I thought there was slightly more 4-bets coming back at me (although tbf they were probably all with legit hands and I was only imagining any increase in 4-bets), and therefore figured I'd see a flop in position and look to flop something I could realistically represent (or just flop effectively the nuts for this particular hand lol).

    I can't imagine this will be a regular part of my 3-bet range...
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxxxxSmall blind £0.10 £0.10 £19.90
    shakinaces Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £22.43
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 9
    		     
    PUTNEYBOY Fold     
    Eagleforce Fold     
    xxxxxRaise  £0.50 £0.80 £19.40
    shakinaces Raise  £1.60 £2.40 £20.83
    xxxxxRaise  £4.00 £6.40 £15.40
    shakinaces Call  £2.80 £9.20 £18.03
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 7
    • J
    		     
    xxxxxBet  £4.60 £13.80 £10.80
    shakinaces All-in  £18.03 £31.83 £0.00
    xxxxxAll-in  £10.80 £42.63 £0.00
    shakinaces Unmatched bet  £2.63 £40.00 £2.63
    xxxxxShow
    • K
    • A
    		   
    shakinaces Show
    • 7
    • 9
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 8
    		     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    shakinaces Win Pair of 7s £38.20  £40.83
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    In truth my luckboxness must have been entirely restored over the weekend as I more than doubled monies made through the rest of February... with 5,399 pts failing dismally to reach the 10k I sort-of-hoped for right at the start of the month, but easily beat the revised 5,000 target.

    I suppose now I need to find some articles and videos that can help improve my satellite game... because who doesn't want to make a run at blagging a free trip to Vegas :)

    If anyone still reads this, any recommendations on that front will be welcomed!
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    Should Hypeting be forum stalking, this is the hand you asked about posting last night.

    As context, the guy that 3 bet me was raising me literally every single time I had money in the pot - every time I was in the blinds he raised, every time I opened he raised, the time I tried limping he raised.

    In hindsight I probably should have just called more, rather than try to fight fire with fire, but as the 3b was called I thought it was time for a 4-bet.

    Wouldn't have been entirely surprised if the initial 3-bettor had shoved, but the other move surprised me. Don't know if he had it or if it was a great play identifying that I was probably starting to play back light but WP him either way.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    FeNdeR36 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £18.30
    MadHunter Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £35.65
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • K
    		     
    shakinaces Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £20.84
    LaffStatts Raise  £1.05 £1.50 £20.70
    shel Call  £1.05 £2.55 £32.35
    HYPETING Fold     
    FeNdeR36 Fold     
    MadHunter Fold     
    shakinaces Raise  £3.90 £6.45 £16.94
    LaffStatts Fold     
    shel All-in  £32.35 £38.80 £0.00
    shakinaces Fold     
    shel Muck     
    shel Win  £9.60  £9.60
    shel Return  £29.20 £0.00 £38.80
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    Was a fun table but I definitely came off worse yesterday lol

    Thankfully February is over so that made it easy to make the decision to bin off the poker and go to the pub instead.

    That in turn made me consider whether I need to train to become a quantity surveyor. Turns out the money thrown at people with that skill is getting pretty obscene.  I'm a tad jealous.

    Poker should be easy this weekend if I play. I have an enforced tilt-room opportunity to destress after buying a half-axe/half-sledgehammer to smash a hole for a stove to be installed. I think it will actually be to my benefit to suffer an horrific badbeat some time around Saturday lunchtime....
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  • 77Chris9177Chris91 Member Posts: 375
    edited March 2015
    Re hand above, flatting is much better than 4-betting. KJs plays well postflop and dominates some of villains 3-bet bluffing range. Your 4-bet bluffing candidates here want to be hands that don't flop great but have decent blockers. A10o etc.
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  • HYPETINGHYPETING Member Posts: 253
    edited March 2015
    In Response to Re: Further misadventures of a fish at the cash tables:
    Should Hypeting be forum stalking, this is the hand you asked about posting last night. As context, the guy that 3 bet me was raising me literally every single time I had money in the pot - every time I was in the blinds he raised, every time I opened he raised, the time I tried limping he raised. In hindsight I probably should have just called more, rather than try to fight fire with fire, but as the 3b was called I thought it was time for a 4-bet. Wouldn't have been entirely surprised if the initial 3-bettor had shoved, but the other move surprised me. Don't know if he had it or if it was a great play identifying that I was probably starting to play back light but WP him either way. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance FeNdeR36 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £18.30 MadHunter Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £35.65   Your hole cards J K       shakinaces Raise   £0.30 £0.45 £20.84 LaffStatts Raise   £1.05 £1.50 £20.70 shel Call   £1.05 £2.55 £32.35 HYPETING Fold         FeNdeR36 Fold         MadHunter Fold         shakinaces Raise   £3.90 £6.45 £16.94 LaffStatts Fold         shel All-in   £32.35 £38.80 £0.00 shakinaces Fold         shel Muck         shel Win   £9.60   £9.60 shel Return   £29.20 £0.00 £38.80
    Posted by shakinaces
    I would never do such a thing ha. 

    Like your 4b tbh - Perf sizing too imo. 

    Good to be back on the tables with you and GL :)


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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015

    Having given up for the weekend due to playing terrible / smashed up so much wall I had nothing left to downplay my tilt with, I found myself accompanying beer with 1-table of PLO on Sunday evening.

    Still somewhat bemused by the game if I'm honest.  Sort of get the basics that I have to use 2 cards from 4 etc but beyond that it often feels like button clicking.

    I did come away with a few quid, but mostly thanks to this hand which I'm pretty certain was played appallingly.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxxxxxxSmall blind  £0.10 £0.10 £8.80
    shakinaces Big blind  £0.10 £0.20 £9.90
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • 8
    • 7
    • 7
    		     
    IC_DEADPPL Call  £0.10 £0.30 £18.92
    nljcrh Fold     
    bluecow101 Fold     
    xxxxxxxCheck     
    shakinaces Check     
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • Q
    • 5
    		     
    xxxxxxxBet  £0.30 £0.60 £8.50
    shakinaces Raise  £0.90 £1.50 £9.00
    IC_DEADPPL Fold     
    xxxxxxxRaise  £2.70 £4.20 £5.80
    shakinaces Call  £2.10 £6.30 £6.90
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    xxxxxxAll-in  £5.80 £12.10 £0.00
    shakinaces Call  £5.80 £17.90 £1.10
    xxxxxShow
    • 5
    • Q
    • 3
    • J
    		   
    shakinaces Show
    • K
    • 8
    • 7
    • 7
    		   
    River
       
    • 4
    		     
    shakinaces Win Three 7s £16.55  £17.65
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  • shakinacesshakinaces Member Posts: 1,590
    edited March 2015
    'Proper' live poker duck finally broken... fake-SPT was awesome and very much look forward to the next.

    In a few more games time I might not spend most of my time paranoid about doing something wrong: acting our of turn, flicking in the wrong denomination chip, saying something when we're meant to be silent etc... am sure it gets even better when you can play as relaxed as when lounged out in an armchair with a computer on your lap!

    Still need to work on concentration too... one table and 20-odd hands an hour makes me feel like I have full blown ADHD... I find it tough enough to stay switched on for the rare times I make it into hour 2 or any of the Monday night DTD games :)

    Not the easiest of table spots... one guy two to my left was just battering me till the first break... he was clearly the best player at the table but I was totally oblivious until much later that Ian Simpson is actually top 100 on the UK all-time-money list... so again, probably ran good in giving up trying to play pots with him.  Decent bloke as well, hope he carries on the good form... saw he's in the VLV final here so could be playing in Sky colours imminently!

    I figure to have made some horrifically bad plays, but thankfully run as golden live as a I do online... bar the first and last hands of the day... although the first was probably lucky that I played it so weakly?

    UTG raised... I joined in the callers with 88 (heart rate about 60bpm)...

    5 of us see a T85 flop (heart rate about 90bpm).... utg c-bets, I'm the only caller

    T on the turn (heart rate about 120bpm).... utg bets again... I probably should flick a raise in here to build a pot(?) but call

    A on the river (heart - sank).... utg bets about 1/3 pot... I stare at ceiling and try to avoid cursing out loud... too much of a fish to fold a FH but had then punted off nearly half my stack in the first hand when the inevitable AA is shown

    I'm pretty sure live poker is rigged ;)

    Was great to meet with the various Outlaws that were there, all as equally bonkers in real life as their online persona which was a bonus!

    Particular amused at witnessing Harry's life whizz before his eyes as a Sam-CraigCU torpedo flew towards him late on Saturday. True Outlaw professional though, managed to suffer the minimum beer-loss with superb pint control.

    Anyway... roll on the next fake-SPT/other live chances... now back to trying to bink a few quid at cash tables after coming home to a £3k invoice :/
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,495
    edited March 2015

    Hey Mike

    Know you have mentioned p/ vpip a few times and their videos.

    Did they ever look at any of your play?

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