These guys came to player poker, the whole site would be better for everyone if these didn't exist, SNG's MTT's everything. Noone joins sky to play a 10bb slot machine, they come inspired from playing a home game or watching poker on TV, if these games didnt exist they would play on the 2c4c tables, 5c10c or whatever and the whole poker ecosystem would only be better off, seems pretty obvious. Posted by OnlySmells
So it's another player who thinks he knows what other people want. You want to take away the games a number of people have decided to play so you entice them back to games that are sitting there, but they have decided not to play. The whole site may be better for you if these didn't exist, and that's your perogative, but not for everyone.
I don't think it's players who have joined Sky to play these tables, it's people already playing on the site, some for many years, who have decided that this format might be for them, or at least want to give it a go. I've certainly enjoyed the few sessions I've had playing them while I find 200BB cash No Limit Hold'em about as boring as the game can be. Perhaps you can look at it as 20-20 cricket. Yes the purists will always prefer the Test Match, but other people like the wham bam shorter formats.
But I completely concede the point that they should be on their separate tab of the lobby.
i always knew poker wouldnt last forever, but thought its inevitable death would come from heavy taxation or black-friday esque nonsense - seems these punty stack casino/poker hyrbid games could be there cause of its demise.
Also i imagine sky probably measure its success on how much 'growth' its had on last quarter, and it probably measures that growth on rake taken or new signups not on peak time player/game diversity - may not even consider how many players have left - its likely a lot of aspects of sky poker have 'grown' but midstakes has died :-(
Funny I add my opinion and it gets deleted, said nothing that others haven't already said but I feel it needs to be reinforced. Shame you think it's ok to delete posts you're unhappy with rather than acknowledge them.
I'll repeat again, remove spins from regular lobbies, it makes no sense for them to be there and are clearly intended to mislead new players to the site.
Funny I add my opinion and it gets deleted, said nothing that others haven't already said but I feel it needs to be reinforced. Shame you think it's ok to delete posts you're unhappy with rather than acknowledge them. I'll repeat again, remove spins from regular lobbies, it makes no sense for them to be there and are clearly intended to mislead new players to the site. Posted by BarryGuns
i think you posted about these on the thread about 6 max hypers by mistake mate .its still on there has nt been deleted
Funny I add my opinion and it gets deleted, said nothing that others haven't already said but I feel it needs to be reinforced. Shame you think it's ok to delete posts you're unhappy with rather than acknowledge them. I'll repeat again, remove spins from regular lobbies, it makes no sense for them to be there and are clearly intended to mislead new players to the site. Posted by BarryGuns
Hi again Barry.
I was not & am not aware of any Posts which have been deleted from this thread. As long as it was not overly abusive, there is no reason to Delete Posts which are critical of Sky Poker, within reason, of course. Maybe my superiors in the Office have removed something, but it's news to me, & if they did so, I hope they did so with good reason, & I would like to think they would have made me aware.
If you would like to send me a PM with details of what you wrote, & when you wrote it, I'll investigate it for you.
Have to say, you completely whooshed me yesterday, too, when you Posted along the same lines, & I replied at length. I note you never replied to me.
I'm always happy to discuss these matters, even when the topic is critical of Sky Poker - I've never dodged a single question here, ever.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : i think you posted about these on the thread about 6 max hypers by mistake mate .its still on there has nt been deleted Posted by SQUARKEY
Correct, & correct.
The thread, Barry's post (which I struggled to understand), & my reply, are HERE
Oh sorry I must have replied to the wrong thread somehow, thanks for your reply. Did think I would have been rather ironic to have a comment deleted given the content of my post. That part of my comment is in reference to something you mention earlier in this thread.
Oh sorry I must have replied to the wrong thread somehow, thanks for your reply. Did think I would have been rather ironic to have a comment deleted given the content of my post. That part of my comment is in reference to something you mention earlier in this thread. Posted by BarryGuns
Sounds like a bit of a misunderstanding to me, Barry - I'm pretty sure none of your posts have been deleted.
Everything I have seen posted by you is perfectly acceptable, even though I don't necessarily agree with it.
spin ups are definitely killing the regular 100bb game traffic but ofc this is just one game format and theyre clearly here to stay , so we better either get used to them or move sites. There are clearly a lot of people who like this 10bb format but can we please remove them from under the regular tab in the lobby , they dont belong there and every reg is complaining about them being there. IMO its pretty poor from sky trying to trick people into accidentally joining their new high rake game and making lobby navigation for regular players much more difficult
spin ups are definitely killing the regular 100bb game traffic but ofc this is just one game format and theyre clearly here to stay , so we better either get used to them or move sites. There are clearly a lot of people who like this 10bb format but can we please remove them from under the regular tab in the lobby , they dont belong there and every reg is complaining about them being there. IMO its pretty poor from sky trying to trick people into accidentally joining their new high rake game and making lobby navigation for regular players much more difficult Posted by The_Fishhh
+1 they really do need to be moved.
So annoying the amount of times ive opened and joined a table by accident.
Don't think sky will ever get rid of these games if they are making them a lot of money and people are enjoying them. You've also got to remember that the vast majority of people play poker for fun and sometimes they'd rather play a high raking game that is full of other recreational players than play vs 5 regs on 100bb table.
IMO the Spin-ups are similar to the fobt's in betting shops, they are huge money makers that take very little man power to run, therefore the people in charge want them to be pushed onto customers (hence why they take up most of the lobby). its slightly immoral but i guess the people at Sky are only doing what they are urged to do.
IMO the Spin-ups are similar to the fobt's in betting shops, they are huge money makers that take very little man power to run, therefore the people in charge want them to be pushed onto customers (hence why they take up most of the lobby). its slightly immoral but i guess the people at Sky are only doing what they are urged to do. Posted by jordz16
+1
The fact they make money is what's most important. it's everywhere weather it be FOBT in betting shops, bandit machines in pubs or 2p machines seen in arcades at the seaside and festivals they all ways of making more money and that is most important. We can win cash in poker at the casino but bosses will get suspicous of people winning cash in black jack or roulette, I've seen a story of one guy banned from every grosvenor casino having made thousands of pounds in roulette.
Spins ups are set up perfectly for a rec, they can play a nl£4 table for as little as £40 just a third of the cost needed to play general nl£4, everybody around them has small chip stacks and best of all they are safe from the likes of us, make them very attractive for a rec. If that wasn't bad eough then you could add the likelyhood these players will be using all game tab and all stakes tab and will have no trouble finding them as a selection of them are highlighted at the very top. The highlighting itself is the real problem, If they were'nt highlighted then players will be needing to scroll down and this is more than likely to divert some back to general nl cash game especially those normally on the micro and small stakes.
Spins ups are set up perfectly for a rec, they can play a nl£4 table for as little as £40 just a third of the cost needed to play general nl£4, everybody around them has small chip stacks and best of all they are safe from the likes of us, make them very attractive for a rec. If that wasn't bad eough then you could add the likelyhood these players will be using all game tab and all stakes tab and will have no trouble finding them as a selection of them are highlighted at the very top. The highlighting itself is the real problem, If they were'nt highlighted then players will be needing to scroll down and this is more than likely to divert some back to general nl cash game especially those normally on the micro and small stakes. Posted by craigcu12
First up, I have twice asked Sky Poker if they have any plans to move these Spin Up tables away from the Main Cash Game Lobby. Both times they gave me an emphatic "no", & I communicated exactly this on here.
I don't plan to ask them again, as they have made their position clear & I don't need telling 3 times, but I will send the thread Upstairs again.
I appreciate many of you don't like them. Equally, many of you DO like them. It's the nature of the beast that those in favour say nothing, whilst those against complain.
Various comments along the lines of "it's misleading", "sky poker are tricking players" & so on & so forth.
How are Sky Poker misleading anyone?
The Tables are clearly labelled - VERY clearly labelled. This is what they are called in the Lobby....
SPIN UP
That's it, nothing else, just those 2 words. "SPIN UP". No other words, nothing. SPIN UP.
How is that misleading or tricking anyone?
I would like to think that Sky Poker credit their players with enough intelligence to be able to see exactly what these tables are. Like almost every poker player ever born, I have accidentally registered for a wrong Cash Game, MTT or SNG at some stage in my poker life. I've never made the same mistake twice though, & I doubt any of you have.
Nothing misleading, no "tricking players", how can there be? The tables are labelled SPIN UP.
Sorry guys, but that seems clear enough to me, & there is no "trickery" or anything "misleading".
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I don't think it's players who have joined Sky to play these tables, it's people already playing on the site, some for many years, who have decided that this format might be for them, or at least want to give it a go. I've certainly enjoyed the few sessions I've had playing them while I find 200BB cash No Limit Hold'em about as boring as the game can be. Perhaps you can look at it as 20-20 cricket. Yes the purists will always prefer the Test Match, but other people like the wham bam shorter formats.
But I completely concede the point that they should be on their separate tab of the lobby.
I was not & am not aware of any Posts which have been deleted from this thread. As long as it was not overly abusive, there is no reason to Delete Posts which are critical of Sky Poker, within reason, of course. Maybe my superiors in the Office have removed something, but it's news to me, & if they did so, I hope they did so with good reason, & I would like to think they would have made me aware.
If you would like to send me a PM with details of what you wrote, & when you wrote it, I'll investigate it for you.
Have to say, you completely whooshed me yesterday, too, when you Posted along the same lines, & I replied at length. I note you never replied to me.
I'm always happy to discuss these matters, even when the topic is critical of Sky Poker - I've never dodged a single question here, ever.
The thread, Barry's post (which I struggled to understand), & my reply, are HERE
Everything I have seen posted by you is perfectly acceptable, even though I don't necessarily agree with it.
The fact they make money is what's most important. it's everywhere weather it be FOBT in betting shops, bandit machines in pubs or 2p machines seen in arcades at the seaside and festivals they all ways of making more money and that is most important. We can win cash in poker at the casino but bosses will get suspicous of people winning cash in black jack or roulette, I've seen a story of one guy banned from every grosvenor casino having made thousands of pounds in roulette.
sky making money is most important
Morning all.
I'll try & address some of these questions, comments, digs &, if I may say so, porkies.
Bear with me please.
First up, I have twice asked Sky Poker if they have any plans to move these Spin Up tables away from the Main Cash Game Lobby. Both times they gave me an emphatic "no", & I communicated exactly this on here.
I don't plan to ask them again, as they have made their position clear & I don't need telling 3 times, but I will send the thread Upstairs again.
Spin Ups are NOT killing Sky Poker.
Fact.
I appreciate many of you don't like them. Equally, many of you DO like them. It's the nature of the beast that those in favour say nothing, whilst those against complain.
Various comments along the lines of "it's misleading", "sky poker are tricking players" & so on & so forth.
How are Sky Poker misleading anyone?
The Tables are clearly labelled - VERY clearly labelled. This is what they are called in the Lobby....
SPIN UP
That's it, nothing else, just those 2 words. "SPIN UP". No other words, nothing. SPIN UP.
How is that misleading or tricking anyone?
I would like to think that Sky Poker credit their players with enough intelligence to be able to see exactly what these tables are. Like almost every poker player ever born, I have accidentally registered for a wrong Cash Game, MTT or SNG at some stage in my poker life. I've never made the same mistake twice though, & I doubt any of you have.
Nothing misleading, no "tricking players", how can there be? The tables are labelled SPIN UP.
Sorry guys, but that seems clear enough to me, & there is no "trickery" or anything "misleading".