Various comments along the lines of "it's misleading", "sky poker are tricking players" & so on & so forth. How are Sky Poker misleading anyone? The Tables are clearly labelled - VERY clearly labelled. This is what they are called in the Lobby.... SPIN UP That's it, nothing else, just those 2 words. " SPIN UP ". No other words, nothing. SPIN UP . How is that misleading or tricking anyone? Posted by Tikay10
When you look at the regular lobby it has a lot of highlighted spin up tables at the top but then further down there are some spin ups that aren't highlighted. Looking at the lobby right now I've spotted a 20nl spin up game that isn't highlighted and is bang in the middle of other 20nl games. Also the same with some 100nl games. When scrolling down the lobby I don't usually ever glance over the table name where I would see it saying Spin up - instead I just focus on the stake and if there's a free seat at the table. So very often I end up loading up loading a spin up table by accident. I would hazard a guess that other people that have commented here on it have made the same easy mistake.
how about an advamnced filter option to hide them off of the screen of people who phsyically select that option in filters, this would be incredibly easy to do and allows sky to kep pushing their new game format to all players except regs who have chosen to hide them Posted by The_Fishhh
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Oh you're over in Vegas ? you go steady , don't win all the money .I'd like there to be some money left for me by the time I arrive Posted by The_Fishhh
Yup, been here a while, but there's plenty of cash left for you to pillage, trust me.
Looking forward to seeing you, & updating your progress. Unless you are unlucky with your table draw, I think you'll do very well.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : tikay im aware this isnt your fault, youre just the messenger, this isnt a dig at you but this is such a ridiculous answer from sky , theyre in the wrong place. its like putting sit & gos smack bang in the middle of the cash tab and then refusing to relocate them. You wouldnt put heads up tables udner a regular tab because that would be stupid but they would probably be less out of place than these spin ups.. how about an advamnced filter option to hide them off of the screen of people who phsyically select that option in filters, this would be incredibly easy to do and allows sky to kep pushing their new game format to all players except regs who have chosen to hide them Posted by The_Fishhh
I take your point, but the analogies are not really correct - they are cash games, & they are in the cash game lobby. They are immensely popular, too, despite what some may think from viewing this thread.
The poker model is changing, it really is, & increasing numbers of players want to play this format. You may reasonably argue it is not "pure" poker, but that's the way poker is moving, & attracting a different market.
Anyway, I will certainly send your idea Upstairs, & if they reply to me, I'll let you know.
Appreciate the "messenger" part. I'm here as a bridge between the players & the site, & in the very unusual, even unique, position, of being able to see both sides of this coin.
In truth, personally, I'm unsure why it bothers a few so much, I really am. Having said that, my view is irrelevant of course, as I don't play Online cash.*
* Am playing a lot of "live" cash here in Vegas. You'd KILL these games, trust me.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : When you look at the regular lobby it has a lot of highlighted spin up tables at the top but then further down there are some spin ups that aren't highlighted. Looking at the lobby right now I've spotted a 20nl spin up game that isn't highlighted and is bang in the middle of other 20nl games. Also the same with some 100nl games. When scrolling down the lobby I don't usually ever glance over the table name where I would see it saying Spin up - instead I just focus on the stake and if there's a free seat at the table. So very often I end up loading up loading a spin up table by accident. I would hazard a guess that other people that have commented here on it have made the same easy mistake. Posted by F_Ivanovic
Hi TB,
And how many times have you made that mistake?
The answer ought to be ONCE, any more, & we can only blame ourselves.
I always buy the same type of loaf of bread in Tesco, but recently I accidentally picked up the wrong brand, as all the bread is in the same area. I was pretty mad with myself (not with Tesco, it's hardly their fault, is it?) & I can assure you I'll never make that mistake again.
Some of these posts appear to be very caring for the rec, in the way of warnings.On the other hand, regs are always seeking out recs. Its dog eat dog in the poker world and rightly so, nature of the game.The only requirement i see to play or not to play spin ups, is to be literate and to know the type of game it is.There seems to be a universal agreement on BR management as a priority but some folk have plenty of disposable income and arent that bothered, as in gambling.I f you have any sense in buisness and advertising you will know why the spin up tables are where they are.Ive had a peek at the spin up tables and they look very popular to me.Fuss about nothing.If you walk into a casino there is choice in what to play. Posted by chilling
I need to be careful what I say, but I would imagine many readers had the same thought. Poker players seek edges all the time, try to find the "mark" or "fish", but now, all of a sudden, the boys are worrying about the poor recs. A certain irony pervades the thread.
When I'm not over here, & I am on normal hours & work duties, I log on to Sky Poker every morning between 5am & 6am, & the first thing I do is look at the cash game lobby to see if any big games are running. If there is, at, say, £5 £10 or £10 £20, as there is around once or twice per week, I always go take a look. And always see the same thing - 5 "regs" or "big Boys" & one "mark". And there will be a waiting list of 5 or 6 more regulars. The moment the mark goes bust, or leaves, the table INSTANTLY empties. And remember, this is at 6am or whatever. How do all those regulars suddenly know there is a mark at the table? (Rhetorical....).
I don't really have a problem with it, its nothing to do with me, but its how poker works.
One interpretation is that it's rather nice to see the regs are now worrying about the recreational players.
Really interesting thread, this, & am happy to continue the debate.
As someone who mainly plays MTT and doesn't play all that much 100bb cash, I think a lot of the people moaning about not being able to filter out the spin up tables have valid complaints. You should be able to customise the lobby so that it only shows up with the tables your interested in playing. It just makes navigating much easier for those playing lots of tables/ other sites.
Spin ups really should not be appearing in the 'regular' poker tab, just as 100 bb tables would not appear in the 'spin up' tab.
if you were a poker website that is global then a very good filter is needed but on sites like this finding the right table should be easy. The vast majority of spin up tables are at the very top of the page highlighted in yellow so that recs have little difficulty finding them. I play micro stakes cash, these might not have spin up tables but they do have capped tables and they too are not what I'd want to join, they might be mixed in amounst the regular cash tables but I hardly ever register into them and even if I were to load the table up I'll see right away it's not the right table when I look at my chipstack.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : I take your point, but the analogies are not really correct - they are cash games, & they are in the cash game lobby. They are immensely popular, too, despite what some may think from viewing this thread. The poker model is changing, it really is, & increasing numbers of players want to play this format. You may reasonably argue it is not "pure" poker, but that's the way poker is moving, & attracting a different market. Anyway, I will certainly send your idea Upstairs, & if they reply to me, I'll let you know. Appreciate the "messenger" part. I'm here as a bridge between the players & the site, & in the very unusual, even unique, position, of being able to see both sides of this coin. In truth, personally, I'm unsure why it bothers a few so much, I really am. Having said that, my view is irrelevant of course, as I don't play Online cash.* * Am playing a lot of "live" cash here in Vegas. You'd KILL these games, trust me. Posted by Tikay10
Hopefully you're right with regards the Vegas games , j guess we will see in 2 weeks time. Sorry when I meant the messenger statement I was specifically talking about sky's response about refusing to relocate spin up tables, which I was unhappy about. I'm aware you have a much more significant role for sky than being a messenger, maybe I didn't explain that properly above.
Also I know spin ups are becoming very popular but amongst some players they are also very unpopular , we should have the right to hide them from our cluttered lobbies, if we feel so inclined.
The reason that the Spin Up games are located in the regular tab is because they are 6 max. The regular tab shows all games that are not heads up.
There is no way that we can remove them from the tab at present, which is why we have not done so. We are not ignoring the requests to do this nor are we trying to trick players into playing a certain type of game.
Why not put all spin ups right at the top.They become your headline act and others cant complai Posted by CxE1
+1
makes perfect sense really, recs are the ones who want these not regs so why not put each and every spin up table at the top highlighted in yellow, that way recs will be able to find them easily and those of us who playing general cash don't have these spin up tables sitting amounst all the general cash tables.
If this still had people against them, the issue with having them in the lobby is just an attempt to make spin ups very difficult to find meaning they'll join more of the general cash tables.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Hopefully you're right with regards the Vegas games , j guess we will see in 2 weeks time. Sorry when I meant the messenger statement I was specifically talking about sky's response about refusing to relocate spin up tables, which I was unhappy about. I'm aware you have a much more significant role for sky than being a messenger, maybe I didn't explain that properly above. Also I know spin ups are becoming very popular but amongst some players they are also very unpopular , we should have the right to hide them from our cluttered lobbies, if we feel so inclined. Posted by The_Fishhh
Morning Big Fella,
For clarification, I never took "messenger" as in any way derogatory. I this particular case, that's exactly what I am, I filter stuff, answer what I can myself, and send messages upstairs as to things I can't assist with.
You explained it fine, and I took it in the right sense.
You all packed and ready for Vegas? I see a lad from Winchester won a WSOP bracelet yesterday. Yesterday Winchester, maybe tomorrow somewhere dreadful in Yorkshire.
In Response to Re: Spin Ups killing SKY Poker : Hi TB, And how many times have you made that mistake? The answer ought to be ONCE, any more, & we can only blame ourselves. I always buy the same type of loaf of bread in Tesco, but recently I accidentally picked up the wrong brand, as all the bread is in the same area. I was pretty mad with myself (not with Tesco, it's hardly their fault, is it?) & I can assure you I'll never make that mistake again. Posted by Tikay10
Unfortunately it's been more than once - I have a bad habit of not learning from my mistakes! For example, a few years back I got cash out in the self scan in Morrisons and forgot it. Then did the same thing the following week after vowing not to make the mistake again. (I just refuse to ever get cash out from self scans anymore!)
That might have more to do with my forgetfulness though. I think this is a bit different though because it's an ingrained habit to only look at the stake and number of players - for one, because it saves time when I've already loaded up 3/4 tables and then I have to minimise them to scroll through the lobby. Particularly with only 15 seconds to act on each table means I can't be looking at the lobby for long before accidentally sitting out out on my SB and missing the BTN.
This inconvenience would be better off without and I would just prefer all the spin ups highlighted at the top if they can't be removed from regular now.
i think this should end there is only pros n craig who thinks is a pro who is complaining about these tables i dont play them but dont bother about them if peps want t play them so be it
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Looking forward to seeing you, & updating your progress. Unless you are unlucky with your table draw, I think you'll do very well.
The poker model is changing, it really is, & increasing numbers of players want to play this format. You may reasonably argue it is not "pure" poker, but that's the way poker is moving, & attracting a different market.
Anyway, I will certainly send your idea Upstairs, & if they reply to me, I'll let you know.
Appreciate the "messenger" part. I'm here as a bridge between the players & the site, & in the very unusual, even unique, position, of being able to see both sides of this coin.
In truth, personally, I'm unsure why it bothers a few so much, I really am. Having said that, my view is irrelevant of course, as I don't play Online cash.*
* Am playing a lot of "live" cash here in Vegas. You'd KILL these games, trust me.
And how many times have you made that mistake?
The answer ought to be ONCE, any more, & we can only blame ourselves.
I always buy the same type of loaf of bread in Tesco, but recently I accidentally picked up the wrong brand, as all the bread is in the same area. I was pretty mad with myself (not with Tesco, it's hardly their fault, is it?) & I can assure you I'll never make that mistake again.
I need to be careful what I say, but I would imagine many readers had the same thought. Poker players seek edges all the time, try to find the "mark" or "fish", but now, all of a sudden, the boys are worrying about the poor recs. A certain irony pervades the thread.
When I'm not over here, & I am on normal hours & work duties, I log on to Sky Poker every morning between 5am & 6am, & the first thing I do is look at the cash game lobby to see if any big games are running. If there is, at, say, £5 £10 or £10 £20, as there is around once or twice per week, I always go take a look. And always see the same thing - 5 "regs" or "big Boys" & one "mark". And there will be a waiting list of 5 or 6 more regulars. The moment the mark goes bust, or leaves, the table INSTANTLY empties. And remember, this is at 6am or whatever. How do all those regulars suddenly know there is a mark at the table? (Rhetorical....).
I don't really have a problem with it, its nothing to do with me, but its how poker works.
One interpretation is that it's rather nice to see the regs are now worrying about the recreational players.
Really interesting thread, this, & am happy to continue the debate.
makes perfect sense really, recs are the ones who want these not regs so why not put each and every spin up table at the top highlighted in yellow, that way recs will be able to find them easily and those of us who playing general cash don't have these spin up tables sitting amounst all the general cash tables.
If this still had people against them, the issue with having them in the lobby is just an attempt to make spin ups very difficult to find meaning they'll join more of the general cash tables.