3. The biggest problem poker faces is attracting new players to the game. I will always help a newbie if I can-I dislike it when anyone talks down to other playersPosted by Essexphil
I am the same, I will help people to, I dont think I talked down about these people, thats why I called them 'recs' until I was pushed for clarification of what I meant. If I was slagging anyone of its the regs, and there laziness, you can tell some of them all they do is grind, grind and never study.
My suggestion to try and make this happen sooner is this. Set aside a percentage of any profit to take shots at higher buy-ins. A good example would be the £24 qualifiers for the £110s or for UKOPS.Posted by Essexphil
This is a good suggestion, and is the approach I have been trying. But word of warning this also contains some really bad regs/recs who dont know how to play sats properly and will call you light.
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : Ok so the range of options available to us is different on 40/30/20/10bb so we have to know what we can do on different stack sizes. But the mistake you see people making is learning the stack size functions and then not considering effective stacks - opponents' stack sizes. So they might 3bet bluff on 40bb against another larger stack and then face a shove from someone on 15bb and end up in a pickle where they're committed to calling off with trash. Things like this :)Posted by Angmar2626
Could you explain the concept of 'where we are in our range' pls? Is it to stop us becoming exploitable and overfolding? Posted by Angmar2626
If we go back to your example of K74r if we was to get xr here top of our range would be sets, then 2p's then tptk and you just keep working your way down til you reach the bottom of your range. Now depending on our opponents ie if they are nits and never xr bluff, then we have to let go of some pretty strong hands, because they are never bluffing and we need to be beating some of there value range for us to be able to call them down. But if you have your rec who plays a lot of mtt's and brings over the mindset of I can xr tp and barrel off for a stack, then you can drop further down your range to call him. If you have a guy that does bluff, then its good to have blockers to nutty hands, but you dont want to have an blockers to bluffs. So in answer to your question it depends, because your not being exploited if a guy doesn't have any bluffs, so you can overfold more vs them.
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : I am the same, I will help people to, I dont think I talked down about these people, thats why I called them 'recs' until I was pushed for clarification of what I meant. If I was slagging anyone of its the regs, and there laziness, you can tell some of them all they do is grind, grind and never study. In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : This is a good suggestion, and is the approach I have been trying. But word of warning this also contains some really bad regs/recs who dont know how to play sats properly and will call you light. In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : Thanks, good luck to you as well mate. In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : Ah yeh got it. In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : If we go back to your example of K74r if we was to get xr here top of our range would be sets, then 2p's then tptk and you just keep working your way down til you reach the bottom of your range. Now depending on our opponents ie if they are nits and never xr bluff, then we have to let go of some pretty strong hands, because they are never bluffing and we need to be beating some of there value range for us to be able to call them down. But if you have your rec who plays a lot of mtt's and brings over the mindset of I can xr tp and barrel off for a stack, then you can drop further down your range to call him. If you have a guy that does bluff, then its good to have blockers to nutty hands, but you dont want to have an blockers to bluffs. So in answer to your question it depends, because your not being exploited if a guy doesn't have any bluffs, so you can overfold more vs them. In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : Sure, sorry for derailing your thread mate. Posted by HaveaA1Day
That's a good thing, surely? If we know they call light, happy days.
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : That's a good thing, surely? If we know they call light, happy days. Posted by Tikay10
Players calling too wide in sats is actually really bad for both the player shoving and the player calling, especially the player shoving; often they should be pretty wide, and really good for everybody else. If we only need to finish in the top 10 to get the same prize, and there's 12 left, being called light and having to run the cards for your tournament life is disasterous as chip preservation far outweighs the need to double up. We may have an 80-85% chance to place in the top 10 by not being called, whereas we may only have a 40% chance to remain in the tournament when called. Even if we elect to shove a tight range, we may only have 60- 70 percent against his calling range, and still not technically be guaranteed to place in the top 10 even if we win. Jamming against people who understand ICM in these situations is extremely profitable because they realise, even if we can have any 2 cards, they have to have more equity vs our range than the value/ equity there stack has. The closer to the bubble the tighter they must be. In a lot of situations even hands as good as QQ cannot call even vs any 2, as their stack has more value than the equity of their hand vs ours. Eg folding results in cashing 90 percent and queens has we'll say 75 80 percent equity v a2c. Of course this means shoving vs these players is insanely profitable with anything, because finding aces is so hard to do. And there's nothing they can do but fold or lose money by calling. If they make some losing calls its an even bigger disaster for us than them and we may have to adjust accordingly. Of course stack sizes and relative stack sizes dictate a lot ( shorty can justify calling wider, 2nd in chips v 1st in chips jam probably has to fold aces). The joys of satellite play. If people are making mistakes by calling too much, we have to adjust by really tightening up our shoving range, especially in their blinds, which I guess ironically causes the light caller to have a more profitable situation through ignorance, although in the long term they'll make less than people folding properly
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score : This is a good suggestion, and is the approach I have been trying. But word of warning this also contains some really bad regs/recs who dont know how to play sats properly and will call you light. Posted by HaveaA1Day
Excellent post. Likewise, apologies for derailing the thread a bit. The bold bit gives rise to an interesting point, and one of the reasons I find poker fascinating.
In the context of the 1 qualifier, you are right. However, poker works on many levels. I will occasionally call light. I do this because once people know that I may call light, they adjust their play in relation to my blinds-much safer to attack someone who follows ICM correctly. What I lose in the odd 30-70 call I plan to make on preserving some extra blinds due to people adjusting. I am not the only person who does this.
Hope that helps-I promise to let thread get back to 4-figure scores now
Cashed both in the end for profit on the day which looked very unlikely indeed not long ago! Annoyingly bust the major 2nd hand after the bubble broke - AA losing to AK all in pre for 40bb pot. Next time!
40 or so left in Sunday Major. BB and I have been going after one another at any opportunity. I've been opening 100% of buttons on him and he's been flatting any two cards. Last couple of orbits he's jammed on me when I've opened button. I've been opening this sizing with my full range in this spot and I'm trying to induce another jam from him so I don't think going bigger pre is an option.
BB is winning at a small ROI over a huge sample. He has been limping a lot, 3x/folding off 20bb, flatting loads oop and leading flops then folding, etc - playing quite unconventionally in general
SB practically isn't playing. Think he's played 1 hand since this table formed over an hour ago. Just folding to every steal.
I checked back turn for pot control and because we no longer need to protect against flush draws and it gives them opportunity to bluff river if they feel ambitious. Also I think quads check this turn close to 100% to let me barrel? On the whole is checking here too nitty do you reckon?
Is river just a standard get in and if he has it he has it? Not worried about SB at all here - I really think he folds all 4x pre even A4s. BB can have all 4x but obvs has way more combos of 9x and other stuff. Is this just a standard spot people would say "We're too high up in our range to fold"..? :P
All the best in binking a main and ahcieving a 4 figure score!
With the QQ hand it would just be down to reads, we are calling a lot for sure, however there is some players that would never make this raise simply holding a 9x, or even pocket 10's for that matter if the BB is passive and wouldn't 3 bet this pre.
Totally fine with folding here against certain players.
No version of folding the QQ here, but much prefer calling/ tank calling to induce the sb's small lead to find a call with 9x or some super ambitious underpair. Snap jam looks so nutted and think it makes it easier for him to find a pass with 9x. If shover has it, he has it. Wouldn't surprise me if some players jammed the bare 9 for value here. Especially when you check turn might think you never have overpairs.
In my eyes there is no other way to play this hand on this board run out, its biscuit dry, and would be fist pumping hard when I get this action in front of me, like what Groggy said about tank calling to maybe get the other guy to call with a 9x.
Took a few bounties and ran deep-ish in the main last night and then lost with KK to QQ all in pre for a monster pot. At first I thought about writing a whining post on the forum about how I'm the unluckiest player in the world in £110 buy ins and always run deep then get 2 outered, waaaaaaaaa. Pretty glad I didn't of course! But I'm sure everyone deep down has these thoughts now and again, however ridiculous they are. All part of the game!
Also managed to bust the mini first hand I played lol! Guy open shoves 150bb first hand. Everyone folds. Same again second hand. Open shoves third hand and I have AA and lose to 44 - gg!
Put a tonne of work in on postflop this week and been grinding cash. Already seeing other people doing things that I was doing a week ago and being able to exploit those things is really satisfying! Thing I'm happiest with though is the way I construct my bluffing range now, which is a lot more balanced, rather than "FU you can't call top pair/bad kicker here to an overbet, I'm allllllll in with 7 high!"
Super happy with my game, and lots more UKOPS left to play, will be back on Sunday.
Not sure on forum rules - guess I can mention villain by name if I'm being complimentary?
Villain is Albania. Very good player and outrageously aggro! He/she probably doesn't even remember me from the next person but it feels like they're going after me in every single hand in every single game! It's actually insane. Whatever the game is, whatever the stage of the tourney, every single open I'm being 3bet haha! Thankfully I've done ok in all ins, but even though I've been adjusting with 4bets etc, as soon as I see them on my table I know it's going to be a bumpy ride!
BTN is some reg who's opening every button SB is me BB is Albania
All about 40bb deep.
Last orbit BTN opened and I flatted SB. Villain squeezed from BB. From previous history I've seen this situation happen a lot when there's a btn open and a call.
This orbit I'm SB with AQo. BTN opens and normally I would 3bet this hand but with villain being aggro BB I decide to back-raise it. So I flat to induce a squeeze with the intention of jamming. Think if this happens my range looks weaker (?!) and forces him to call off with worse.
Anyway things went down as planned this time, which was good, but do you think this is the best play here? Taking AQo multiway to the flop oop would not be a great result but I just think here this villain is squeezing so much that it's going to be profitable to run the risk.
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In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score: This is a good suggestion, and is the approach I have been trying. But word of warning this also contains some really bad regs/recs who dont know how to play sats properly and will call you light.
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score: Thanks, good luck to you as well mate.
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score: Ah yeh got it.
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score: If we go back to your example of K74r if we was to get xr here top of our range would be sets, then 2p's then tptk and you just keep working your way down til you reach the bottom of your range. Now depending on our opponents ie if they are nits and never xr bluff, then we have to let go of some pretty strong hands, because they are never bluffing and we need to be beating some of there value range for us to be able to call them down. But if you have your rec who plays a lot of mtt's and brings over the mindset of I can xr tp and barrel off for a stack, then you can drop further down your range to call him. If you have a guy that does bluff, then its good to have blockers to nutty hands, but you dont want to have an blockers to bluffs. So in answer to your question it depends, because your not being exploited if a guy doesn't have any bluffs, so you can overfold more vs them.
In Response to Re: On the Quest for the 4-Figure Score: Sure, sorry for derailing your thread mate.
In the context of the 1 qualifier, you are right. However, poker works on many levels. I will occasionally call light. I do this because once people know that I may call light, they adjust their play in relation to my blinds-much safer to attack someone who follows ICM correctly. What I lose in the odd 30-70 call I plan to make on preserving some extra blinds due to people adjusting. I am not the only person who does this.
Hope that helps-I promise to let thread get back to 4-figure scores now
Also managed to bust the mini first hand I played lol! Guy open shoves 150bb first hand. Everyone folds. Same again second hand. Open shoves third hand and I have AA and lose to 44 - gg!
Put a tonne of work in on postflop this week and been grinding cash.
Already seeing other people doing things that I was doing a week ago and being able to exploit those things is really satisfying! Thing I'm happiest with though is the way I construct my bluffing range now, which is a lot more balanced, rather than "FU you can't call top pair/bad kicker here to an overbet, I'm allllllll in with 7 high!"
Super happy with my game, and lots more UKOPS left to play, will be back on Sunday.
Fun hand from last night's main below:
Not sure on forum rules - guess I can mention villain by name if I'm being complimentary?
Villain is Albania. Very good player and outrageously aggro! He/she probably doesn't even remember me from the next person but it feels like they're going after me in every single hand in every single game! It's actually insane. Whatever the game is, whatever the stage of the tourney, every single open I'm being 3bet haha! Thankfully I've done ok in all ins, but even though I've been adjusting with 4bets etc, as soon as I see them on my table I know it's going to be a bumpy ride!
BTN is some reg who's opening every button
SB is me
BB is Albania
All about 40bb deep.
Last orbit BTN opened and I flatted SB. Villain squeezed from BB. From previous history I've seen this situation happen a lot when there's a btn open and a call.
This orbit I'm SB with AQo. BTN opens and normally I would 3bet this hand but with villain being aggro BB I decide to back-raise it. So I flat to induce a squeeze with the intention of jamming. Think if this happens my range looks weaker (?!) and forces him to call off with worse.
Anyway things went down as planned this time, which was good, but do you think this is the best play here? Taking AQo multiway to the flop oop would not be a great result but I just think here this villain is squeezing so much that it's going to be profitable to run the risk.
Don't want this to turn into the 'OP moaning about runbad in £110 games' thread, but...
Approaching the bubble, for huge stack: