The RNG HAS NEVER BOTHERED ME, I PLAY ONLY FOR FUN AND LOVE SKY POKER, I HAVE SEEN SOME STRANGE HANDS BUT THAT IS ONLY DOWN TO MY TYPE OF PLAY, DO I PLAY A 2 4 OF SUIT NO BUT SOME PLAYERS WILL, DO I PLAY A J OF SUIT NO AGAIN SOME PLAYERS WILL, IT IS NOT THE RNG BUT WHAT A PLAYER DECIDES TO PLAY, SOME TIMES I AM LUCKY OTHER TIMES I AM NOT, DOES IT BOTHER ME NO AND NEVER WILL ,SO GL EVERYONE WITH THE TYPE OF GAME YOU PLAY I SHALL STAY HERE AND PLAY MY GAME TO THE BEST THAT I CAN WITHOUT EVER BLAMING THE RNG , I BLAME MYSELF FOR NOT WANTING TO LEARN THE GAME OF POKER
The RNG HAS NEVER BOTHERED ME, I PLAY ONLY FOR FUN AND LOVE SKY POKER, I HAVE SEEN SOME STRANGE HANDS BUT THAT IS ONLY DOWN TO MY TYPE OF PLAY, DO I PLAY A 2 4 OF SUIT NO BUT SOME PLAYERS WILL, DO I PLAY A J OF SUIT NO AGAIN SOME PLAYERS WILL, IT IS NOT THE RNG BUT WHAT A PLAYER DECIDES TO PLAY, SOME TIMES I AM LUCKY OTHER TIMES I AM NOT, DOES IT BOTHER ME NO AND NEVER WILL ,SO GL EVERYONE WITH THE TYPE OF GAME YOU PLAY I SHALL STAY HERE AND PLAY MY GAME TO THE BEST THAT I CAN WITHOUT EVER BLAMING THE RNG , I BLAME MYSELF FOR NOT WANTING TO LEARN THE GAME OF POKER
Threads like this always interest me, not because I think anything is untoward with Sky Poker, quite the contrary, but because in the back of my mind I just would not be surprised if another scandal occurred in the global online poker industry.
In a thread earlier this year, I admitted my lack of knowledge of how RNG work and also my surprise that the poker industry does not more proactively promote integrity. After all, knowing our money is safe and getting a fair game is important even for those that play for fun. Therefore why not actively promote this and get this verified by a third party / auditor and then point people towards these audits when accusations occur? To me it is a far better rebuttal to accusations than some of the comments I have read.
It was suggested that as poker companies are regulated we should take comfort and in theory this should be the case - depending on the quality of the regulation. Therefore I spent some time actually exploring what being regulated meant in terms of fairness of the game and keeping our money safe.
Prompted by the last thread on Sky I thought I would look at Sky's own regulator. I've skim read the Alderney egaming regulations and also the egaming Ordinance - only the 2009 version and not the 2018 amendments, which is rather a lot of reading! However, after reading these it is still unclear what ensuring fairness in the RNG means. Its seems that software is tested for fairness and to obtain a licence this software is tested at the outset. This is outsourced to third parties. However, what it not clear is what the quality of the testing entails at the outset. Fairness is also assessed after a licence is granted but I could not ascertain how often this is undertaken, the quality and detail of the testing and what safeguards were put in place to prevent manipulation of the fairness. It all seemed rather unclear what it meant in reality.
I also had a look at the same time to see what comfort I could take under the regulations to check that my money was protected. Whilst it would seem that to comply with the regulations and ordinance client money could be kept in a separate account, I could not see it specified in the regulations that clients would rank in priority of all other creditors (including secured creditors) in the case of an insolvency. Therefore if the intention of the regulation is to safeguard client money in the event of the insolvency of the licence holder, then it seems that the regulation actually falls short of its intention.
Now I would add a disclaimer here that I have only skim read the regulations and ordinances and did want to spend more time reviewing these and even asking the regulator a couple of questions (assuming that they would answer me), but when reading this thread I thought I would comment now. Therefore, it is quite possible that my comments on fairness of the game under the regulations and protection of client money is incorrect or incomplete. Perhaps someone from Sky more familiar with the regulations can address any inaccuracies and provide an insight into what it means for Sky in reality to be regulated from a point of view of fairness and safety of client money. This could also include anything which Sky does over and above the requirements of the regulations. However the point I wanted to make is that customers of poker sites don't really understand what fairness criteria and tests gaming companies have to meet to obtain and retain a licence and also, in the event of insolvency of a poker site, how safe their money is in accordance with the regulations. I have spent probably more time than reviewing this than the average poker player this year and I am still none the wiser.
I do think that such issues should be addressed openly and proactively as surely it can only be to the benefit of the poker industry and the individual poker sites. However, they need to be addressed in the right manner.
Absolutely brilliant comment @TOOTRUE, and a problem that exists for every single site not just Sky. Why every site doesn't have a simple link or 2 that can be posted to threads such as these that proves the legitimacy of the RNG/money protection I have never been able to get my head around. Maybe Sky could lead the way.
There are suggestions that there should be links to the various regulatory stuff - Players Funds, RNG & the like. There already are, & I'll post them here shortly.
It's quite complex though, & one link leads to another, then another, & so on, so bear with me, it'll take a while. Inevitably, more answers from me will lead to more questions. That's what happens when we see threads titled "RNG gets worse".
There is no online poker site more open than Sky Poker. Every (sensible) question gets answered, we hold our hands up & apologise when things go wrong, (which they often do), & threads don't get closed willy-nilly any more, though I accept that some years ago, before I was given responsibility for the Forum by the current Management, threads were closed more hastily than I would have preferred. However, the more open & honest we are, the more questions & silly accusations it begets. Such is life I suppose.
Some of the detail requested - very politely, succinctly & well-expressed - by @TOOTRUE cannot be answered by me, as I just don't have that level of information available to me. I can tell by reading his post that TOOTRUE has already researched all this, but he wants more than to be told who regulates Sky Poker, and what Third Party Audits & Testing are done, he wants to know exactly HOW the testing is done. I'm not sure I'll be able to answer in that much depth - but I'll post links, which lead to links & I guess it's all there somehow. For instance, if we look at Third Party Testing here at Sky Poker, it eventually leads us to a SIXTY ONE PAGE PDF. I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over after Page 4. Interesting read in some ways though.
I think, sometimes, when judging these things, we need to step back & take a wider view. Of all the complaints aired on this Forum in the last 10 years, "slow payment" when requesting withdrawals is not something seen much, if at all. As you know, the symptoms of, say, a Carillion or a PKR always start with slow payments. In fact, I believe payments from all part of SB&G are the fastest in the industry, including a recently introduced "Instant Payment" option. However, that's only available currently to some Barclays Bank customers. Blame them banks, not SB&G, when the others allow it, I'm sure SB&G will introduce it.
I also need to explain to some (not TOOTRUE, who I am sure knows this) that matters pertaining to the Random Number Generator (RNG) are SBG wide - not just Sky Poker. I don't have the technical gumf to hand, but I would assume that SB&G use the same based RNG right across it's portfolio. Think of, for example, Sky Bingo, slots on Sky Vegas, Roulette & Blackjack on Sky Casino & so on - presumably they ALL rely on an RNG.
I saw a question that suggested Sky Poker were regulated by Alderney Gaming Commission. That's only partly true - yes, they ARE regulated by Alderney in certain jurisdictions, but for the greater part, they are Regulated & Licensed by the UK Gaming Commission. In both cases, independent third party testing is obligatory, & in place.
Sorry about the long preamble, but as I suggested earlier, 1 answer leads to so many more questions.
I'll post the links very shortly.
Before I do, however, I have one question to ask you guys......
The RNG gets questioned more than anything it seems to me.
Go to the 2+2 Poker Forum, & the ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED thread, & it runs to a whopping 3,368 pages, & at 25 posts per page (the setting I use) that's 84,200 posts. Eighty four thousand, two hundred.
Now perhaps my memory is failing me, but I've been involved with Online Poker Sites, on both sides of the tables, since 1998, & good old Paradise Poker, & I've seen every scam & scandal going, including the SuperUser thing at UB, the disgraceful FT & 'Stars Good Friday affair, & the closure with loss of players funds on many sites.
And yet I don't recall a single case where a RMG has been shown - with reasonable credibility - to be suspect or improper.
And there's a fair amount of data out there by now - 'Stars alone have dealt 100 billion hands or whatever the number is.
And there's a reason for that. What possible benefit can accrue to a Gaming Site by a flawed RNG? It can never benefit them.
I mean, it'd be a pretty neat bit of software that could a) deliver improper results &, at the same time, b) somehow ensure that the rigged result favoured the Big Stack, or the guy Sky Poker like, or Lucky Matt Bates. Sky Poker's current software cannot even accommodate Running Antes, automatically generated Tournament Tokens, or formats such as ROE, Mixed Games etc. So yeah, I'm generally pretty sceptical when it is suggested, as it regularly is, that the RNG is somehow improper, or as bizarrely suggested yesterday, "getting worse". A RNG cannot get better or worse, a RNG is a RNG is a RNG, any more than Sky Poker can, inexplicably, "turn off a players wifi".
Anyway, my question was.....
Remind me of when, & by whom, improper or somehow inaccurate RNG's in the Online Poker Industry were exposed. I'm struggling to remember a single example.
Here's the information published on the site, word for word, & after that, the link to it. In C & P-ing this, some of the hyperlinks disappear I'm afraid. So you'll have to do a little bit of the work yourselves.
Licensing and Regulation
Content
Sky Bet, Sky Bingo, Sky Vegas, Sky Casino and Sky Poker
Sports betting, virtual racing, bingo, casino games and poker are carried out by Bonne Terre Limited (Incorporated in Alderney, Registration No. 1110). Bonne Terre Limited is licensed and regulated by the UK Gambling Commission (licence number 038718) in respect of customers located in the United Kingdom and the Alderney Gambling Control Commission (licence number: 04C1C2) in respect of customers located outside of the United Kingdom.
The UK Gambling Commission is contactable here
The AGCC is contactable here
Bonne Terre Limited's registered office is:
Office 1, 1 The Crusher, Braye Harbour, Alderney GY9 3XX
Bonne Terre Limited is owned by funds controlled by the private equity group, CVC Capital Partners.
Keeping your money safe
Sky Bet, Sky Poker, Sky Bingo, Sky Casino and Sky Vegas are operated by Bonne Terre Limited, an Alderney registered company majority owned by CVC Capital Partners and licensed by the UK Gambling Commission and Alderney Gambling Control Commission. The Sky trademark used is owned by the Sky Plc group of companies and is used under license. We are required by our UK licence to inform customers about what happens to funds which we hold on account for you, and the extent to which funds are protected in the event of insolvency, further details of which can be found here.
Funds exceeding the value of active customer balances are held in a specific bank account separated from the company’s other operating bank accounts to ensure that there are always sufficient funds available for customers to withdraw their balances, even in the highly unlikely event of the insolvency of the Sky Betting and Gaming group. Our bank has acknowledged in writing that our customer funds are held in a separate account for this purpose and will not be subject to any bank set off or counterclaims in respect of any company bank liabilities. This means that steps have been taken to protect customer funds but that there is no absolute guarantee that all funds will be repaid. These accounts are proactively monitored and reconciled by our Finance department and are audited by independent internal and external audit teams.
We comply with the requirements of the UK Gambling Commission, at the “Medium” level rating of customer funds protection, and the Alderney Gambling Control Commission with regards to safeguarding our customer’s moneys and the aggregate account balances are reported to the relevant regulatory authorities on a regular basis. Any monies deposited with us in your Account will not attract any interest.
Here's the link to the Third Party Testing organisation, TST.
Within this link, you will see another link to GLI-19, Interactive Gaming Systems Operators. Click that, & it takes you to the 61 page PDF which I referenced earlier.
It reads as follows; (note, hyperlink lost when C & P'd).
Random Number Generator - Sky Bet
Sky Betting and Gaming's RNG is audited by the 3rd party company Technical Systems Testing (TST), who are global experts in the analysis of RNG's used for online gaming purposes. TST are approved by our regulators, the UK Gambling Commission and Alderney Gambling Control Commission, to conduct compliance testing.
For more information on TST and their credentials please click here:
Absolutely brilliant comment @TOOTRUE, and a problem that exists for every single site not just Sky. Why every site doesn't have a simple link or 2 that can be posted to threads such as these that proves the legitimacy of the RNG/money protection I have never been able to get my head around. Maybe Sky could lead the way.
As you can now see, it's not quite as easy as a "simple link".
However, ALL the information IS on the Site, it always has been & it always will be. It just takes a little bit of effort to go look for it. It has ALWAYS been there.
That easy, no need to alienate players reload the Memory sticks Doctor T has given clean bill of Health back to work, never darken the R.N.G. door step again.
Sad fact of life nowadays, when people trip in the street they will blame the pavement or the people walking in front of them. When are people going to take ownership of their own failings. However you put it, the fact is that those who question the site, the conspiracy theorists etc etc, are so stuck in their ways they do not want to be educated otherwise.
Great work @Tikay10, first I've seen of those links. Any time one of these threads gets posted it should be a community wide policy that the only reply it gets is someone posting all those links in one single drab, long post
Great work @Tikay10, first I've seen of those links. Any time one of these threads gets posted it should be a community wide policy that the only reply it gets is someone posting all those links in one single drab, long post
Yeah, it's a pretty tough read, & you can guarantee that most of the Usual Suspects won't get past Line 2.
It's, for the most part, nothing to do with the RNG or whatever, it's the fact they can't beat the game. There are exceptions, of course, & the questions from you & @TooTrue were perfectly reasonable, & I know you both have a different angle.
I never knew exactly where those links were, even though I peruse them from time to time, I just know I'd seen them. The Site are obliged to have them, I would assume.
So I simply went to google & typed in "Sky Poker RNG" or (or "Players Funds" or whatever), one click & up they popped.
We can bet good money that most of those who start such threads have never bothered to do that.
I wonder if it's even possible to have a "completely accurate" RNG for what would that even be? You could have a system that randomised according to generally agreed probabilities but then you have the chaos element of randomness. Maybe a RNG that changes the element of randomness for every hand in a completely random way so modifying the chances of each situation to a degree whilst remaining true overall to the mathematical probability for any given occurrence.
Really I would say that regardless of the RNG your success as a player will be determined by the usual factors such as understanding situations on the table, reading other players, learning when not to risk your stack, learning the difference between different game types, controlling emotions and having self-discipline, playing at the right stake levels for you according to your bankroll and comfort level, using your funds in the best way ie putting most of your funds into your most successful game format and also using your profits in such a way as to "enhance" or maximise your earnings.
Do all this and you might become very well-off from Poker. As for me, well the RNG is the least of my worries. I'm a rubbish player as I don't do half of the above so perhaps it would be suggested people worry more about what they are doing to improve or not improve their game rather than throwing around accusations that probably could never be verified one way or the other anyway but really have no impact I imagine on any individual player's earnings in relation to any other player.
Comments
In a thread earlier this year, I admitted my lack of knowledge of how RNG work and also my surprise that the poker industry does not more proactively promote integrity. After all, knowing our money is safe and getting a fair game is important even for those that play for fun. Therefore why not actively promote this and get this verified by a third party / auditor and then point people towards these audits when accusations occur? To me it is a far better rebuttal to accusations than some of the comments I have read.
It was suggested that as poker companies are regulated we should take comfort and in theory this should be the case - depending on the quality of the regulation. Therefore I spent some time actually exploring what being regulated meant in terms of fairness of the game and keeping our money safe.
Prompted by the last thread on Sky I thought I would look at Sky's own regulator. I've skim read the Alderney egaming regulations and also the egaming Ordinance - only the 2009 version and not the 2018 amendments, which is rather a lot of reading! However, after reading these it is still unclear what ensuring fairness in the RNG means. Its seems that software is tested for fairness and to obtain a licence this software is tested at the outset. This is outsourced to third parties. However, what it not clear is what the quality of the testing entails at the outset. Fairness is also assessed after a licence is granted but I could not ascertain how often this is undertaken, the quality and detail of the testing and what safeguards were put in place to prevent manipulation of the fairness. It all seemed rather unclear what it meant in reality.
I also had a look at the same time to see what comfort I could take under the regulations to check that my money was protected. Whilst it would seem that to comply with the regulations and ordinance client money could be kept in a separate account, I could not see it specified in the regulations that clients would rank in priority of all other creditors (including secured creditors) in the case of an insolvency. Therefore if the intention of the regulation is to safeguard client money in the event of the insolvency of the licence holder, then it seems that the regulation actually falls short of its intention.
Now I would add a disclaimer here that I have only skim read the regulations and ordinances and did want to spend more time reviewing these and even asking the regulator a couple of questions (assuming that they would answer me), but when reading this thread I thought I would comment now. Therefore, it is quite possible that my comments on fairness of the game under the regulations and protection of client money is incorrect or incomplete. Perhaps someone from Sky more familiar with the regulations can address any inaccuracies and provide an insight into what it means for Sky in reality to be regulated from a point of view of fairness and safety of client money. This could also include anything which Sky does over and above the requirements of the regulations. However the point I wanted to make is that customers of poker sites don't really understand what fairness criteria and tests gaming companies have to meet to obtain and retain a licence and also, in the event of insolvency of a poker site, how safe their money is in accordance with the regulations. I have spent probably more time than reviewing this than the average poker player this year and I am still none the wiser.
I do think that such issues should be addressed openly and proactively as surely it can only be to the benefit of the poker industry and the individual poker sites. However, they need to be addressed in the right manner.
There are suggestions that there should be links to the various regulatory stuff - Players Funds, RNG & the like. There already are, & I'll post them here shortly.
It's quite complex though, & one link leads to another, then another, & so on, so bear with me, it'll take a while. Inevitably, more answers from me will lead to more questions. That's what happens when we see threads titled "RNG gets worse".
There is no online poker site more open than Sky Poker. Every (sensible) question gets answered, we hold our hands up & apologise when things go wrong, (which they often do), & threads don't get closed willy-nilly any more, though I accept that some years ago, before I was given responsibility for the Forum by the current Management, threads were closed more hastily than I would have preferred. However, the more open & honest we are, the more questions & silly accusations it begets. Such is life I suppose.
Some of the detail requested - very politely, succinctly & well-expressed - by @TOOTRUE cannot be answered by me, as I just don't have that level of information available to me. I can tell by reading his post that TOOTRUE has already researched all this, but he wants more than to be told who regulates Sky Poker, and what Third Party Audits & Testing are done, he wants to know exactly HOW the testing is done. I'm not sure I'll be able to answer in that much depth - but I'll post links, which lead to links & I guess it's all there somehow. For instance, if we look at Third Party Testing here at Sky Poker, it eventually leads us to a SIXTY ONE PAGE PDF. I'll be honest, my eyes glazed over after Page 4. Interesting read in some ways though.
I think, sometimes, when judging these things, we need to step back & take a wider view. Of all the complaints aired on this Forum in the last 10 years, "slow payment" when requesting withdrawals is not something seen much, if at all. As you know, the symptoms of, say, a Carillion or a PKR always start with slow payments. In fact, I believe payments from all part of SB&G are the fastest in the industry, including a recently introduced "Instant Payment" option. However, that's only available currently to some Barclays Bank customers. Blame them banks, not SB&G, when the others allow it, I'm sure SB&G will introduce it.
I also need to explain to some (not TOOTRUE, who I am sure knows this) that matters pertaining to the Random Number Generator (RNG) are SBG wide - not just Sky Poker. I don't have the technical gumf to hand, but I would assume that SB&G use the same based RNG right across it's portfolio. Think of, for example, Sky Bingo, slots on Sky Vegas, Roulette & Blackjack on Sky Casino & so on - presumably they ALL rely on an RNG.
I saw a question that suggested Sky Poker were regulated by Alderney Gaming Commission. That's only partly true - yes, they ARE regulated by Alderney in certain jurisdictions, but for the greater part, they are Regulated & Licensed by the UK Gaming Commission. In both cases, independent third party testing is obligatory, & in place.
Sorry about the long preamble, but as I suggested earlier, 1 answer leads to so many more questions.
I'll post the links very shortly.
Before I do, however, I have one question to ask you guys......
Go to the 2+2 Poker Forum, & the ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED thread, & it runs to a whopping 3,368 pages, & at 25 posts per page (the setting I use) that's 84,200 posts. Eighty four thousand, two hundred.
Now perhaps my memory is failing me, but I've been involved with Online Poker Sites, on both sides of the tables, since 1998, & good old Paradise Poker, & I've seen every scam & scandal going, including the SuperUser thing at UB, the disgraceful FT & 'Stars Good Friday affair, & the closure with loss of players funds on many sites.
And yet I don't recall a single case where a RMG has been shown - with reasonable credibility - to be suspect or improper.
And there's a fair amount of data out there by now - 'Stars alone have dealt 100 billion hands or whatever the number is.
And there's a reason for that. What possible benefit can accrue to a Gaming Site by a flawed RNG? It can never benefit them.
I mean, it'd be a pretty neat bit of software that could a) deliver improper results &, at the same time, b) somehow ensure that the rigged result favoured the Big Stack, or the guy Sky Poker like, or Lucky Matt Bates. Sky Poker's current software cannot even accommodate Running Antes, automatically generated Tournament Tokens, or formats such as ROE, Mixed Games etc. So yeah, I'm generally pretty sceptical when it is suggested, as it regularly is, that the RNG is somehow improper, or as bizarrely suggested yesterday, "getting worse". A RNG cannot get better or worse, a RNG is a RNG is a RNG, any more than Sky Poker can, inexplicably, "turn off a players wifi".
Anyway, my question was.....
Remind me of when, & by whom, improper or somehow inaccurate RNG's in the Online Poker Industry were exposed. I'm struggling to remember a single example.
Players Funds
Here's the information published on the site, word for word, & after that, the link to it. In C & P-ing this, some of the hyperlinks disappear I'm afraid. So you'll have to do a little bit of the work yourselves.Licensing and Regulation
Content
Sky Bet, Sky Bingo, Sky Vegas, Sky Casino and Sky Poker
Sports betting, virtual racing, bingo, casino games and poker are carried out by Bonne Terre Limited (Incorporated in Alderney, Registration No. 1110). Bonne Terre Limited is licensed and regulated by the UK Gambling Commission (licence number 038718) in respect of customers located in the United Kingdom and the Alderney Gambling Control Commission (licence number: 04C1C2) in respect of customers located outside of the United Kingdom.
The UK Gambling Commission is contactable here
The AGCC is contactable here
Bonne Terre Limited's registered office is:
Office 1, 1 The Crusher, Braye Harbour, Alderney GY9 3XX
Bonne Terre Limited is owned by funds controlled by the private equity group, CVC Capital Partners.
Keeping your money safe
Sky Bet, Sky Poker, Sky Bingo, Sky Casino and Sky Vegas are operated by Bonne Terre Limited, an Alderney registered company majority owned by CVC Capital Partners and licensed by the UK Gambling Commission and Alderney Gambling Control Commission. The Sky trademark used is owned by the Sky Plc group of companies and is used under license. We are required by our UK licence to inform customers about what happens to funds which we hold on account for you, and the extent to which funds are protected in the event of insolvency, further details of which can be found here.
Funds exceeding the value of active customer balances are held in a specific bank account separated from the company’s other operating bank accounts to ensure that there are always sufficient funds available for customers to withdraw their balances, even in the highly unlikely event of the insolvency of the Sky Betting and Gaming group. Our bank has acknowledged in writing that our customer funds are held in a separate account for this purpose and will not be subject to any bank set off or counterclaims in respect of any company bank liabilities. This means that steps have been taken to protect customer funds but that there is no absolute guarantee that all funds will be repaid. These accounts are proactively monitored and reconciled by our Finance department and are audited by independent internal and external audit teams.
We comply with the requirements of the UK Gambling Commission, at the “Medium” level rating of customer funds protection, and the Alderney Gambling Control Commission with regards to safeguarding our customer’s moneys and the aggregate account balances are reported to the relevant regulatory authorities on a regular basis. Any monies deposited with us in your Account will not attract any interest.
The link to all that is here;
https://support.skybet.com/s/article/Licensing-and-Regulation
GAMING LICENCE
Here is a link to the details of the UKGC Licence that Sky Poker, & SB&G generally, hold;https://secure.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PublicRegister/Search/Detail/38718
Please note, under "Sanctions";
No sanctions recorded
Given the size of SB&G, & the byzantine complexity of Regulatory stuff these days, that's quite something.
Third Party Testing
Here's the link to the Third Party Testing organisation, TST.Within this link, you will see another link to GLI-19, Interactive Gaming Systems Operators. Click that, & it takes you to the 61 page PDF which I referenced earlier.
http://www.tstglobal.com/services/igaming/
Random Number Generator (RNG)
Here's the link to the RNG page on the site;https://support.skypoker.com/s/article/Random-Number-Generator-Sky-Bet
It reads as follows; (note, hyperlink lost when C & P'd).
Random Number Generator - Sky Bet
Sky Betting and Gaming's RNG is audited by the 3rd party company Technical Systems Testing (TST), who are global experts in the analysis of RNG's used for online gaming purposes. TST are approved by our regulators, the UK Gambling Commission and Alderney Gambling Control Commission, to conduct compliance testing.
For more information on TST and their credentials please click here:
However, ALL the information IS on the Site, it always has been & it always will be. It just takes a little bit of effort to go look for it. It has ALWAYS been there.
However you put it, the fact is that those who question the site, the conspiracy theorists etc etc, are so stuck in their ways they do not want to be educated otherwise.
Yeah, it's a pretty tough read, & you can guarantee that most of the Usual Suspects won't get past Line 2.
It's, for the most part, nothing to do with the RNG or whatever, it's the fact they can't beat the game. There are exceptions, of course, & the questions from you & @TooTrue were perfectly reasonable, & I know you both have a different angle.
I never knew exactly where those links were, even though I peruse them from time to time, I just know I'd seen them. The Site are obliged to have them, I would assume.
So I simply went to google & typed in "Sky Poker RNG" or (or "Players Funds" or whatever), one click & up they popped.
We can bet good money that most of those who start such threads have never bothered to do that.
Really I would say that regardless of the RNG your success as a player will be determined by the usual factors such as understanding situations on the table, reading other players, learning when not to risk your stack, learning the difference between different game types, controlling emotions and having self-discipline, playing at the right stake levels for you according to your bankroll and comfort level, using your funds in the best way ie putting most of your funds into your most successful game format and also using your profits in such a way as to "enhance" or maximise your earnings.
Do all this and you might become very well-off from Poker. As for me, well the RNG is the least of my worries. I'm a rubbish player as I don't do half of the above so perhaps it would be suggested people worry more about what they are doing to improve or not improve their game rather than throwing around accusations that probably could never be verified one way or the other anyway but really have no impact I imagine on any individual player's earnings in relation to any other player.
Doffing of the hat to TIKAY once again showing the great communication between sky and the punters.
How long to the next its fixed thread lol.
I go for a week max.