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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Essexphil said:

    HAYSIE said:

    madprof said:

    HAYSIE said:

    The countries that are clever enough to do deals with the EU, like Japan, and Singapore seem to be more fortunate with their future car production plans than us.







    My good lady has already said, even though we consider Dyson products to be market leaders, she will never buy one again!( pity as the car looks nice...)
    It looks superb.
    Yes-it should clean up :)
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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Leaver Calls James O'Brien To Defend No Deal Brexit - Ends Up Saying We Should Stay


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IYpgZoAWHU
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Forget politicians here's the experts' view of a No Deal Brexit


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr8qYXgPHBM
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Adam Boulton gets angry with Brexit supporter Mark Francois MP


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSJLRHcvqW4
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    If Nissan had decided not to produce the new model, then I suppose the non Brexit arguments would apply. However they intend to produce it in Japan rather than Sunderland. So how to diesel engines etc come into it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaqC7-l9hjE
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Rebel Labour MPs set to quit party and form centre group

    A group of disaffected Labour MPs is preparing to quit the party and form a breakaway movement on the political centre ground amid growing discontent with Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership on Brexit and other key issues including immigration, foreign policy and antisemitism.
    The Observer has been told by multiple sources that at least six MPs have been drawing up plans to resign the whip and leave the party soon. There have also been discussions involving senior figures about a potentially far larger group splitting off at some point after Brexit, if Corbyn fails to do everything possible to oppose Theresa May’s plans for taking the UK out of the EU.




    Meanwhile, Brexit was last night blamed for playing an “inevitable role” in the reported decision by Nissan to abandon plans to build its X-Trail model at its Sunderland plant.




    Many Labour MPs who back Remain or a soft Brexit said it appeared the leadership had been content for backbenchers to rebel, as Corbyn was not himself truly committed to delaying Brexit.
    There is also mounting anger across the party – including within the unions and the grassroots movement Momentum – at the way Len McCluskey, the general secretary of Unite and a key ally of Corbyn, has been holding talks with May and senior Tory ministers in the hope of securing deals on workers’ rights and more cash for industrial areas.



    Smith insisted her focus was also on Brexit but she tore into the way that McCluskey was apparently being allowed to run a parallel policy on Brexit. “It is outrageous that a trades union leader close to Jeremy Corbyn should be contemplating facilitating Brexit by doing deals with Theresa May in Downing Street which completely undermine the TUC and Labour party position,” she said.

    A senior union source said McCluskey seemed to be trying to bypass Labour party and TUC policy, which was to insist on a customs union and close involvement in the single market. “History will **** the treacherous moves to sideline the rest of the trade union movement and frustrate Labour party conference policy,” said the union official.
    “He and his allies in the leader’s office haven’t made it a secret that they want Brexit to happen, but to do a secret deal behind the movement’s backs to get it done is shocking even for them.”


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/rebel-labour-mps-set-to-quit-party-and-form-centre-group/ar-BBT5wVV?ocid=spartanntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701

    Just had a wetherspoons news shoved through my letter box ...when did this start happening ? Thought they were just in the pubs ?

    James O'Brien Reads The Pro Brexit Wetherspoon Magazine Live On Air


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRgYmXQVn3w
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Jim Armitage: Myth-peddlers of Brexit send us all in wrong direction


    I wonder how many crashes Jacob Rees-Mogg has caused. Not of the stock-market variety (although he’s been doing his best at that) but on Britain’s roads.
    As I happily steered around Sloane Square yesterday, he came on the radio to discuss Nissan’s partly Brexit-inspired U-turn on building the X-Trail SUV in the UK.
    My driving handled his usual bluster, but then he went on repeatedly to point out that Nissan’s chief executive Carlos Ghosn was in jail on corruption charges.
    His clear inference: that the decisions of a company with a corrupt boss should not be seen as a wider problem.
    That was when I nearly shot the red light. Ghosn has been in a Tokyo jail since November 19 on the flimsiest of corruption charges due to a medieval legal system that incarcerates suspects for months without trial. He could spend another year there until his case comes to court, in a system that convicts 99% of those charged. It is an outrage.
    Western politicians like Rees-Mogg should be using their high profiles to bring attention to this appalling abuse of human rights, rather than smear the poor guy for their own dirty political ends.


    Hollering this and more at the radio, before I knew it, I was heading in the wrong direction up Sloane Street.
    Fortunately, I was safely seated in a café when I was reading Wetherspoon’s Tim Martin harping on in the papers.
    He was citing the repeal of the Corn Laws as historical proof that the Brexiteers’ plan to abolish all trade tariffs would be great for Britain. After all, he said, the end of import duties on wheat in 1846 led to lower prices. True, but it also triggered a decades-long depression for UK farmers as cheaper imports from the American prairies flooded the market.
    The resulting mass disinvestment from UK farming led to British agriculture losing its crown as the envy of the world.
    Our reliance on overseas imports then left us vulnerable to starvation from German U-boats in the First World War.
    There are two sides to every Brexiteer myth. Just make sure you’re not driving when you hear them peddled.



    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/jim-armitage-myth-peddlers-brexit-121900247.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Brexit is a problem for UK automotive, whatever your political stance

    This inescapable truth is surely highlighted by the collapse in investment by automotive firms last year by almost half, to a five-year low, which certainly suggests that - at a time of unprecedented and various challenges and opportunities - others have reached similar conclusions to Nissan. Again, the reasons for the slump are many and varied; again, the Brexit impasse must be a factor.
    For now, Brexit is an added complication to any dealings with the UK. The fear must be that the mindset is switching from ‘hold-fire’ to ‘forget it, there are plenty of other places we can do that'.





    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/brexit-is-a-problem-for-uk-automotive-whatever-your-political-stance/ar-BBT9nbh?ocid=spartanntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Government promised to protect Nissan from Brexit fallout in 2016

    Nissan was promised protection from any Brexit fallout in a 2016 letter from business secretary Greg Clark to Carlos Ghosn, then-chief executive of Nissan.

    The letter from Mr Clark promised approximately £80m in investment in the Sunderland site in return for Nissan’s pledge to expand SUV production there, as well as “a positive decision by the Nissan board to allocate production of the Qashqai and X-Trail models to the Sunderland plant”.

    The letter also said: “The government fully recognises the significance of the EU markets to your presence in Sunderland.
    “It will be a critical priority of our negotiations to support UK car manufacturers, and ensure their ability to export to and from the EU is not adversely affected by the UK’s future relationship with the EU.






    “Uncertainty around the UK’s future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future,” he added.
    The decision is a further blow to the UK car industry, following recent moves by Ford, Jaguar Land Rover and Honda to reduce their workforces and cut costs.



    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/government-promised-protect-nissan-brexit-145000486.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701
    Daniel Kawczynski Hangs Up On Radio Host After His Howler Of A Twitter Error Is Pointed Out


    A Brexit-backing Tory MP has hung up on a radio host after it was pointed out that a claim he made in a tweet this weekend was wildly inaccurate.
    Daniel Kawczynski, MP for Shrewsbury, said on Saturday that during World War II Britain had “mortgaged herself up to the eyeballs” yet had since paid in millions to an “ungrateful EU”.
    He also said there was “no Marshall Plan for us, only for Germany”, a claim that is more than a little bit wide of the mark.


    Daniel Kawczynski
    ‏Britain helped to liberate half of Europe. She mortgaged herself up to eye balls in process. No Marshall Plan for us only for Germany. We gave up war reparations in 1990. We put £370 billion into EU since we joined. Watch the way ungrateful EU treats us now. We will remember.

    Replying to @DKShrewsbury
    Is this a joke or are you just admitting you know zero history?



    Kawczynski said: ”I have been asked here to talk about Article 50, if you want to speak about Article 50 then fine, if you don’t then we’ll call it a day.”
    Conran said: “What does that say about you Mr Kawczynski, is someone is pointing out an inconsistency in your tweet?”
    Kawczynski then hung up.


    Kawczynski made headlines just last month when he revealed he has asked the Polish government to intervene if Britain asks the EU for an extension of Article 50.
    He made the announcement in a tweet, claiming he was trying to thwart “attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct Brexit”.
    The move was swiftly condemned as commentators highlighted the hypocrisy of someone campaigning for more sovereignty actively seeking another government to interfere in the UK’s affairs.

    Labour MP Virendra Sharma of the Best for Britain campaign, said in a statement: “It appears that Kawczynski has today appointed himself as roving Ambassador to Poland. I am sure Warsaw has been waiting for his letter with bated breath.
    “I don’t envy Daniel’s burden of self-awareness. Taking back control by asking a foreign government to veto a request made by the sovereign British Parliament is an interesting move.





    Daniel Kawczynski

    Verified account
    Any attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct #Brexit must be opposed. Today I have formally asked Polish Government to veto any motions by EU to allow extension of Article 50. We are leaving 11pm on March 29th as promised @StandUp4Brexit
    4:41 am - 22 Jan 2019


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    Replying to @DKShrewsbury @StandUp4Brexit
    Dear me. You aren’t a fan of Parliamentary Sovereignty at all are you?

    So negligent (tariffs).

    Repeat the errors after they have been spelt out (untruthful)

    Try and go behind our own Parliamentary processes to a foreign country to settle our own constitutional requirements



    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/daniel-kawczynski-hangs-radio-host-184904909.html
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    No deal isn't going to happen , we aren't going to get a 2nd referendum ....so on that basis , what is the point of all this " he said this , they said that stuff " ...it's all pretty much irrelevant .....serious question ?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701

    No deal isn't going to happen , we aren't going to get a 2nd referendum ....so on that basis , what is the point of all this " he said this , they said that stuff " ...it's all pretty much irrelevant .....serious question ?

    By what means do you think we will avoid no deal?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    No deal isn't going to happen , we aren't going to get a 2nd referendum ....so on that basis , what is the point of all this " he said this , they said that stuff " ...it's all pretty much irrelevant .....serious question ?

    By what means do you think we will avoid no deal?
    An extension and a reworked agreed deal ....if you really think either options are likely , then lets have a charity £ 50 side bet ...i say no to both no deal and a 2nd ref
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    p.s ...don't expect you to take me up on the bet :D
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,701

    HAYSIE said:

    No deal isn't going to happen , we aren't going to get a 2nd referendum ....so on that basis , what is the point of all this " he said this , they said that stuff " ...it's all pretty much irrelevant .....serious question ?

    By what means do you think we will avoid no deal?
    An extension and a reworked agreed deal ....if you really think either options are likely , then lets have a charity £ 50 side bet ...i say no to both no deal and a 2nd ref
    That is a very optimistic view.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    No deal isn't going to happen , we aren't going to get a 2nd referendum ....so on that basis , what is the point of all this " he said this , they said that stuff " ...it's all pretty much irrelevant .....serious question ?

    By what means do you think we will avoid no deal?
    An extension and a reworked agreed deal ....if you really think either options are likely , then lets have a charity £ 50 side bet ...i say no to both no deal and a 2nd ref
    That is a very optimistic view.
    Feel free to accept my my side bet if thats what you really think , one charity will benefit if you decide to ...offer open until the end of the day
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