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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    "Elsewhere on Monday, the government announced that lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit."

    Just as well thats not going to happen , because if true that would be a ridiculous scenario .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47124058

    More than half of Tories prefer 'no-deal' Brexit - poll

    More than half of Conservative Party members would prefer to leave the EU without a deal rather than under the prime minister's Brexit plan, according to a poll.
    In a two-way choice, 64% of grassroots members would opt for a "no-deal" Brexit on 29 March, with just 29% preferring the plan Theresa May has negotiated.

    https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-half-of-tories-prefer-no-deal-brexit-poll-11598348


    Business Minister says he fears a no deal Brexit could shut down the Jaguar and Mini plants as new poll reveals crashing out of the EU is now the most popular option with voters
    ICM poll found 28% of voters back a no deal Brexit - the most popular choice
    Esther McVey is launching a campaign to reassure voters about a no deal
    Business Minister Richard Harrington said crashing out would be a disaster

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6615265/No-deal-Brexit-popular-choice-voters-poll-finds.html
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    edited February 2019
    HAYSIE said:

    "Elsewhere on Monday, the government announced that lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit."

    Just as well thats not going to happen , because if true that would be a ridiculous scenario .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47124058

    Why would you think it ridiculous, when that is what happens now.
    Non EU lorries have to complete custom declaration forms
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    HAYSIE said:

    "Elsewhere on Monday, the government announced that lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit."

    Just as well thats not going to happen , because if true that would be a ridiculous scenario .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47124058

    Why would you think it ridiculous, when that is what happens now.
    Non EU lorries have to complete custom declaration forms
    This specifically applies to EU imports, and as I said, exactly what happens now.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    From last year , but still a good article >>>

    A no-deal Brexit will not happen. Here’s why

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/01/no-deal-brexit-mps
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    "Elsewhere on Monday, the government announced that lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit."

    Just as well thats not going to happen , because if true that would be a ridiculous scenario .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47124058

    Why would you think it ridiculous, when that is what happens now.
    Non EU lorries have to complete custom declaration forms
    This specifically applies to EU imports, and as I said, exactly what happens now.
    The link I provided and the text I quoted , doesn't specify that it would apply in the event of no deal to just EU imports .
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    HAYSIE said:

    HAYSIE said:

    "Elsewhere on Monday, the government announced that lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit."

    Just as well thats not going to happen , because if true that would be a ridiculous scenario .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47124058

    Why would you think it ridiculous, when that is what happens now.
    Non EU lorries have to complete custom declaration forms
    This specifically applies to EU imports, and as I said, exactly what happens now.
    The link I provided and the text I quoted , doesn't specify that it would apply in the event of no deal to just EU imports .
    Brexit: UK ports to wave through EU goods without checks after no-deal exit, HMRC says

    UK ports will wave through goods from the EU without checks if there is a no-deal Brexit to avoid huge traffic jams, it has been announced.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-ports-eu-goods-customs-checks-calais-dover-hmrc-theresa-may-a8762591.html
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    Article from yesterday illustrating what I am saying and not applying to just EU imports.

    Brexit: Customs checks to be simplified in no-deal situation

    Lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the government has announced.

    New guidance for importers and hauliers says firms would file a simplified form online in advance and pay duty later.
    These would allow an importer to file a very short customs form - a "simplified frontier declaration" - only two hours before a lorry is due to cross the Channel by ferry, or one hour via the Channel Tunnel.

    The truck would then be able to drive straight into the UK without any further paperwork being done at the border.

    The importer would have to update the computer entry within 24 hours to tell HMRC the goods had arrived, and the duty would be payable as much as a month after the shipment had entered the UK.

    The temporary system would be reviewed after three months, but is expected to last more than a year.

    The latest guidance applies only to vehicles entering the UK, but additional customs checks may also be introduced for EU-bound lorries arriving at Calais, Coquelles and Dunkirk in the event of no-deal.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47121225
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    From last year , but still a good article >>>

    A no-deal Brexit will not happen. Here’s why

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/01/no-deal-brexit-mps

    The problems are that some Eurosceptic MPs still favour, and maintain that the vote was for a clean break with the EU.

    Then it is the choices.

    The opposition parties, and some Tories, all favour a Customs Union, and Single Market access. The closer we are aligned, the more influence the EU will have over us. Some MPs would prefer no influence.

    The Customs Union would overcome the Irish border problem, but disallow us from free trade deals elsewhere. For many Brexiteers one of the biggest selling points of leaving is our ability to do free trade deals with the rest of the world.

    Single Market membership includes Freedom of Movement. Although in the case of Norway it would apply to workers, rather than people. So you can insist on them having a job before letting them in.

    This has been described by the EU as cherry picking, or having our cake and eating it. We would like Single Market membership, but without Freedom of Movement, and Customs Union membership, but still do trade deals elsewhere. In addition to this there are many benefits of our membership we don't want to lose, and we don't want the EU to have any influence over us, particularly via any courts.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    Article from yesterday illustrating what I am saying and not applying to just EU imports.

    Brexit: Customs checks to be simplified in no-deal situation

    Lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the government has announced.

    New guidance for importers and hauliers says firms would file a simplified form online in advance and pay duty later.
    These would allow an importer to file a very short customs form - a "simplified frontier declaration" - only two hours before a lorry is due to cross the Channel by ferry, or one hour via the Channel Tunnel.

    The truck would then be able to drive straight into the UK without any further paperwork being done at the border.

    The importer would have to update the computer entry within 24 hours to tell HMRC the goods had arrived, and the duty would be payable as much as a month after the shipment had entered the UK.

    The temporary system would be reviewed after three months, but is expected to last more than a year.

    The latest guidance applies only to vehicles entering the UK, but additional customs checks may also be introduced for EU-bound lorries arriving at Calais, Coquelles and Dunkirk in the event of no-deal.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47121225

    There are many articles on line clearly stating this will apply to only EU goods. Perhaps the BBC are taking the view that goods from Japan, USA, etc, don't arrive by truck through a channel port, or via the Channel Tunnel.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842
    HAYSIE said:

    Article from yesterday illustrating what I am saying and not applying to just EU imports.

    Brexit: Customs checks to be simplified in no-deal situation

    Lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the government has announced.

    New guidance for importers and hauliers says firms would file a simplified form online in advance and pay duty later.
    These would allow an importer to file a very short customs form - a "simplified frontier declaration" - only two hours before a lorry is due to cross the Channel by ferry, or one hour via the Channel Tunnel.

    The truck would then be able to drive straight into the UK without any further paperwork being done at the border.

    The importer would have to update the computer entry within 24 hours to tell HMRC the goods had arrived, and the duty would be payable as much as a month after the shipment had entered the UK.

    The temporary system would be reviewed after three months, but is expected to last more than a year.

    The latest guidance applies only to vehicles entering the UK, but additional customs checks may also be introduced for EU-bound lorries arriving at Calais, Coquelles and Dunkirk in the event of no-deal.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47121225

    There are many articles on line clearly stating this will apply to only EU goods. Perhaps the BBC are taking the view that goods from Japan, USA, etc, don't arrive by truck through a channel port, or via the Channel Tunnel.
    The whole point of this was to avoid delays.
    Goods from elsewhere go to specific ports, will continue to be checked, and as it already gets checked, will not cause delays.
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    HAYSIE said:

    Article from yesterday illustrating what I am saying and not applying to just EU imports.

    Brexit: Customs checks to be simplified in no-deal situation

    Lorries will be able to drive straight off ferries and Channel Tunnel trains without making customs declarations in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the government has announced.

    New guidance for importers and hauliers says firms would file a simplified form online in advance and pay duty later.
    These would allow an importer to file a very short customs form - a "simplified frontier declaration" - only two hours before a lorry is due to cross the Channel by ferry, or one hour via the Channel Tunnel.

    The truck would then be able to drive straight into the UK without any further paperwork being done at the border.

    The importer would have to update the computer entry within 24 hours to tell HMRC the goods had arrived, and the duty would be payable as much as a month after the shipment had entered the UK.

    The temporary system would be reviewed after three months, but is expected to last more than a year.

    The latest guidance applies only to vehicles entering the UK, but additional customs checks may also be introduced for EU-bound lorries arriving at Calais, Coquelles and Dunkirk in the event of no-deal.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47121225

    There are many articles on line clearly stating this will apply to only EU goods. Perhaps the BBC are taking the view that goods from Japan, USA, etc, don't arrive by truck through a channel port, or via the Channel Tunnel.

    Register for simplified import procedures if the UK leaves the EU without a deal
    Overview
    In the event that the UK leaves the EU without a deal, from 11pm GMT on 29 March 2019, many UK businesses will need to apply the same procedures to EU trade that apply when trading with the rest of the world.

    Currently, under import processes for trading with the rest of the world, goods are not released from customs control until you make a full import declaration and pay the duty owed in full.

    HMRC has put in place transitional simplified procedures to make it easier for you to import goods from the EU using roll on roll off locations like Dover or the Channel Tunnel.

    We’ll review them 3 to 6 months after they’re introduced on 29 March 2019.


    Full article , published yesterday on gov.uk >>>>

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/register-for-simplified-import-procedures-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    From last year , but still a good article >>>

    A no-deal Brexit will not happen. Here’s why

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/01/no-deal-brexit-mps

    Here then is the truth. National myth-making may feed our imaginations, but not our stomachs. We are, in reality, not so special. Any country will burn if you set fire to it. The prime minister may see fit to light the fuse, but so long as we live in a parliamentary democracy, MPs will have the power to confiscate the matches.

    Why didn't they confiscate the matches last week, when they had the opportunity?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    HMRC has put in place transitional simplified procedures to make it easier for you to import goods from the EU using roll on roll off locations like Dover or the Channel Tunnel.



    From the EU.
  • tomgooduntomgoodun Member Posts: 3,750
    There has been claims that post Brexit we can leave the CFP ( I think that’s what it’s named) and our fishermen will be better off as we will have the rights to fish in “ Our own waters”

    I googled this -

    Figures published by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) suggest Spain, Holland and non-EU state Iceland have already bought up almost 90 percent of the entire fishing quota of Wales, as well as more than half that assigned to England.

    The revelation comes despite environment secretary Michael Gove’s insistence that Brexit will enable the UK to regain control of fishing rights within British waters.

    So my question is, post Brexit deal or no deal 😊
    Will our fisherman have more rights to fish in “ Our waters” or not?
  • dobiesdrawdobiesdraw Member Posts: 2,793
    In the event of no deal , from here >>>>https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8397
    Agriculture and fisheries
    Trading arrangements - tariffs and standards – would be the main issue. With no alternative arrangement, the UK as a third country would be subject to tariffs, checks, registrations, certifications etc for commodities, food and feed, plant and animal-based products. Agriculture could also be impacted by the ‘no deal’ effects of other policies such as immigration (for seasonal, agri-food workers and vets).

    Brexit means the UK will become an independent coastal state with responsibility for managing fisheries in the UK’s Exclusive Economic Zone of 200 miles. It will not be bound by the Common Fisheries Policy and could deny access to EU Member States’ vessels (and vice versa). But under international law States are required to minimise economic dislocation to other States whose nationals have habitually fished in a zone.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842
    tomgoodun said:

    There has been claims that post Brexit we can leave the CFP ( I think that’s what it’s named) and our fishermen will be better off as we will have the rights to fish in “ Our own waters”

    I googled this -

    Figures published by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) suggest Spain, Holland and non-EU state Iceland have already bought up almost 90 percent of the entire fishing quota of Wales, as well as more than half that assigned to England.

    The revelation comes despite environment secretary Michael Gove’s insistence that Brexit will enable the UK to regain control of fishing rights within British waters.

    So my question is, post Brexit deal or no deal 😊
    Will our fisherman have more rights to fish in “ Our waters” or not?

    Our fisherman always moan about EU fisherman fishing in our waters, but never seem to mention that our fishermen fish in EU waters.
    If you recall, the last dispute that was on the news, was the objection by French fisherman to our fishermen fishing in their waters, when the French weren't allowed.
    The bulk of our fish are currently sold to the EU.
    The PM has said that the plan was to leave the CFP, but as trade negotiations haven't started yet, that may change.
    The EU are threatening tariffs unless we allow EU fisherman to fish in our waters.
    I am not sure why any country would wish to buy our fish in advance without knowing if there were tariffs, or how much they were.
    No deal will mean tariffs.
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842

    In the event of no deal , from here >>>>https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8397
    Agriculture and fisheries
    Trading arrangements - tariffs and standards – would be the main issue. With no alternative arrangement, the UK as a third country would be subject to tariffs, checks, registrations, certifications etc for commodities, food and feed, plant and animal-based products. Agriculture could also be impacted by the ‘no deal’ effects of other policies such as immigration (for seasonal, agri-food workers and vets).

    Brexit means the UK will become an independent coastal state with responsibility for managing fisheries in the UK’s Exclusive Economic Zone of 200 miles. It will not be bound by the Common Fisheries Policy and could deny access to EU Member States’ vessels (and vice versa). But under international law States are required to minimise economic dislocation to other States whose nationals have habitually fished in a zone.

    Norway export white fish to the EU tariff free. So whichever deal we do will make a difference.

    'F****** RUBBISH' British fishermen FURY as EU single them out for Brexit 'punishment

    British fishermen have responded to the controversial deal struck between the Government and EU officials in Brussels by claiming they are being “screwed over”. The Brexit agreement, which has plunged Theresa May’s tenure as Prime Minister into crisis, has faced a backlash from hard Brexiteers. Leading MPs like Jacob Rees-Mogg have sent in letters of no-confidence in a bid to trigger a vote against the Prime Minister.

    Fish is the only product excluded from the draft customs agreement, with chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier threatening to impose tariffs on British fish exports unless access for EU fleets is agreed.
    The EU has repeatedly said throughout the talks that it would only allow British exporters tariff- and quota-free access to EU markets in exchange for an agreement that EU fishing fleets can continue to operate in British waters.
    Leigh Genge, who leads MD Ocean Fish, admitted that the threat of imminent tariffs “is the biggest uncertainty I’ve faced since I’ve started work here since I’ve been in the business for the past 17 years”.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1047161/Brexit-deal-British-fishermen-fisheries-EU-Theresa-May-Barnier-tariffs
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842
    According to Daily Politics the Meaningful Vote has again been delayed.
    Running down the clock?
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 34,842
    MattBates said:
    Fortunately it doesn't work on my laptop.
    I will think myself lucky.
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