Haysie said: Could you point to any EU lies on Brexit?
I did not specifically refer to brexit, just politicians in general and the EU.
Secret document FCO 30/1048 kept truth about EU from British for 30 years.
extract from one article,
"Almost all of the shocking predictions – from the loss of British sovereignty, to monetary union and the over-arching powers of European courts – have come true.
But damningly for Tory Prime Minister Edward Heath, and all those who kept quiet about the findings in the early 70s, the document, known as FCO30/1048, was locked away under Official Secrets Act rules for almost five decades.
The classified paper, dated April 1971, suggested the Government should keep the British public in the dark about what EEC membership means predicting that it would take 30 years for voters to realise what was happening by which time it would be too late to leave"
"The unknown author – a senior civil servant – correctly predicted the then European Economic Community (the EEC effectively became the EU in 1993) was headed for economic, monetary and fiscal union, with a common foreign and defence policy, which would constitute the greatest surrender of Britain’s national sovereignty since 1066.
He went on to say “Community law” would take precedence over our own courts and that ever more power would pass away from Parliament to the bureaucratic system centred in Brussels.
The author even accurately asserts that the increased role of Brussels in the lives of the British people would lead to a “popular feeling of alienation from Government”.
But shockingly politicians were advised “not to exacerbate public concern by attributing unpopular measures… to the remote and unmanageable workings of the Community”. "
"They were told to preserve the impression that the British Government was still calling the shots rather than an unelected body of foreign politicians – and that the ruse would last “for this century at least” – by which time Britain would be so completely chained to Brussels it would be impossible to leave."
"Document FCO30/1048, which has now been declassified under the 30-year rule, still shocks and angers Brexiteers.
Annabelle Sanderson, a Brexit expert and former advisor to Nigel Farage said: “Despite all the claims from politicians of many parties that the EU was not about becoming a central state this 1971 document shows that is exactly what the plan was.
“Arch Remoaners from Labour, Lib Dems and the Tories need to check this out and ask themselves why they are MPs if they don’t actually want Westminster to be in charge of this country.
“We voted for Brexit what needs to happen is a proper clean break from Brussels so we can once again become a sovereign nation with money being spent in this country on services we need and have Parliament and courts making and ruling on the laws.”"
"“One way to create an illusion that this system was still democratic, this anonymous mandarin suggested, would be to give people the chance to vote for new representatives at European, regional and local levels.
“A few years later, we saw the creation of an elected European Parliament – as we see today a craze for introducing elected mayors, as meaningless local figureheads.”"
The document referred to is almost 50 years old, and merely one persons opinion.
The more recent comments are by one other person, who was an advisor to Nigel Farage.
A man who in my view cant lie straight in bed. If I was his advisor I would suggest he tells the truth a bit more.
The proof of the pudding for me is that during my whole life, I really cant think of anything that the EU are responsible for, that has affected my life in an adverse way.
They have been responsible for many things that have benefitted all of us.
During the Brexit negotiations they have behaved much better than our so called elected representatives.
Do you really think that you will benefit in any tangible way from taking back control, or more Sovereignty?
The EU have supplied around 7% of our Primary Legislation. That means to me, that we are pretty much in control.
Leaving will mean damage to our economy, which means jobs will be lost, and many people will be poorer.
I watched the documentary on tv the other night which is a 3 parter on how we ended up with Brexit, and the EU bent over backwards to help David Cameron, and gave him every thing he asked for, pre-referendum.
Just on immigration, which came up a lot in the referendum campaign. Under EU rules the UK has the right to send any EU citizen back to where they came from if they have no job 3 months after arriving. The fact that the Government never enforced this rule is their fault.
Taking back control of our borders, in a no deal scenario, means nothing gets checked. That is a UK Government plan, and hardly seems like taking back any control.
The absolute turmoil we are currently in, is clearly of our own making.
Leaving the EU may well turn out to be a massive disaster, and may lead to the break up of the UK
Mostly scaremongering remain BS
I don't suppose you would wish to point to the bits that are scaremongering, and which are bs, and come to that, which are remain. If you have nothing constructive to say, its best to say nothing, rather than just make yourself look silly.
The problem is that the average leave voter seems to struggle to present a coherent argument on the tangible benefits of leaving.
I don't know of any.
One of the main reasons that David Cameron called the referendum was to take the wind out of UKIPS sails, and to be fair the referendum killed them off.
The views of the people on this video seem similar to UKIP supporters throughout the country.
The next tape was interesting as it showed the reality of "they are taking our jobs".
What I have found since the referendum is that the leave pitch is all lies, and the bus is a drop in the ocean compared to all the lies that they have told since.
What are the benefits of leaving?
You seem to think that these are not the views of the average leaver voter, so what are their views?
Thats your opinion based on media biased nonsense . I'm not a leave voter , so you will have to ask them ...problem is none of them want to come onto a poker forum and discuss it ...who would have thought !
As I have already stated , the whole thread is just your remain view , there isn't any opposition . It's not a debate . If people want to look at your biased media based articles and take them as being the complete story , then I feel sorry for them .
How do you know what I am basing my opinion on? If that is your opinion of the thread, why do you get involved in it on such a regular basis? To assume that people aren't as clever as you is fairly arrogant. I have never denied that I support staying in the EU, and am against Brexit. I think that is blatantly obvious to anyone reading this thread.
Never said that ..thats your M.O ...as you full well well know and anyone else who reads your bs does . Capitalise your username ...ego boost ...look at me .
If people want to look at your biased media based articles and take them as being the complete story , then I feel sorry for them .
Please can someone show him how to quote
I don't need to be shown how to quote.
I was merely pointing out that your comments seem to point to the fact that you think that your understanding is greater than that of other people, and are therefore arrogant.
The other bits about usernames and ego boosts looks like gibberish to me, and I have no idea of the point you are trying to make.
Despite my comments of yesterday, maybe you are better off just arguing about shopping.
The problem is that the average leave voter seems to struggle to present a coherent argument on the tangible benefits of leaving.
I don't know of any.
One of the main reasons that David Cameron called the referendum was to take the wind out of UKIPS sails, and to be fair the referendum killed them off.
The views of the people on this video seem similar to UKIP supporters throughout the country.
The next tape was interesting as it showed the reality of "they are taking our jobs".
What I have found since the referendum is that the leave pitch is all lies, and the bus is a drop in the ocean compared to all the lies that they have told since.
What are the benefits of leaving?
You seem to think that these are not the views of the average leaver voter, so what are their views?
Thats your opinion based on media biased nonsense . I'm not a leave voter , so you will have to ask them ...problem is none of them want to come onto a poker forum and discuss it ...who would have thought !
As I have already stated , the whole thread is just your remain view , there isn't any opposition . It's not a debate . If people want to look at your biased media based articles and take them as being the complete story , then I feel sorry for them .
For you to say that these are not the views of the average leave voter indicates that you are aware of the average leave voters views.
If you aren't how could you possibly say that these aren't?
The problem is that the average leave voter seems to struggle to present a coherent argument on the tangible benefits of leaving.
I don't know of any.
One of the main reasons that David Cameron called the referendum was to take the wind out of UKIPS sails, and to be fair the referendum killed them off.
The views of the people on this video seem similar to UKIP supporters throughout the country.
The next tape was interesting as it showed the reality of "they are taking our jobs".
What I have found since the referendum is that the leave pitch is all lies, and the bus is a drop in the ocean compared to all the lies that they have told since.
What are the benefits of leaving?
You seem to think that these are not the views of the average leaver voter, so what are their views?
Thats your opinion based on media biased nonsense . I'm not a leave voter , so you will have to ask them ...problem is none of them want to come onto a poker forum and discuss it ...who would have thought !
As I have already stated , the whole thread is just your remain view , there isn't any opposition . It's not a debate . If people want to look at your biased media based articles and take them as being the complete story , then I feel sorry for them .
How do you know what I am basing my opinion on? If that is your opinion of the thread, why do you get involved in it on such a regular basis? To assume that people aren't as clever as you is fairly arrogant. I have never denied that I support staying in the EU, and am against Brexit. I think that is blatantly obvious to anyone reading this thread.
Never said that ..thats your M.O ...as you full well well know and anyone else who reads your bs does . Capitalise your username ...ego boost ...look at me .
You seem to find it really difficult to answer any reasonable questions.
Have you ever talked to any leave voters in a social setting outside of your home ? You do realise , that these examples you are cherry picking from the media and the internet are extremes ?
The day the immigrants left one was a Newsnight report and was balanced, but you probably haven't watched it, or you would know.
Tory donors could stop giving after no-deal Brexit
Major Tory donors are warning that a no-deal Brexit risks precipitating a recession, with some reconsidering their support should the party allow Britain to crash out with no agreement. With Theresa May desperately battling for concessions from Brussels and less than 50 days until Britain’s EU departure, senior government sources admitted last night that attempts to delay Brexit would become “irresistible” should no deal be agreed by the end of this month.
There is now serious nervousness among moderate party backers, with one donor warning of a “wider insurrection if Britain spirals out of the EU with no deal”. Maurizio Bragagni, the chief executive of cable company Tratos, which has given more than £200,000 to the Tories, and Rami Ranger, whose Sun Mark distribution company has given more than £1m, both called on the party’s MPs to compromise, adding that a recession was possible in the wake of a no-deal Brexit.
Brexit: 'Very real' chance of Irish unity poll if no deal
Several cabinet ministers have told the BBC a no-deal Brexit could lead to a vote on Irish unification. One senior minister said the prospect is "very real" and very much on the prime minister's mind. A second cabinet minister warned the government risked "sleepwalking into a border poll". And a third cabinet minister said there was an understanding in government that a vote on unification would be a "realistic possibility" if the UK leaves the EU without a deal next month. "If we are party to creating an environment of chaos, disruption and uncertainty - that could move the dial", the source said.
Jeremy Corbyn is condemned as 'not fit to govern' after expose by top investigative author Tom Bowers paints a damning profile of the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was condemned as 'not fit to govern' following a new exposé Tom Bower spent 18 months speaking with those who know the Labour leader The author's damning profile comes amid increasing claims that despairing Labour MPs are poised to break away from Corbyn and form their own party
In his new book, Dangerous Hero – serialised from today in The Mail on Sunday – Bower reveals that Corbyn: Was secretly ‘delighted’ by the Brexit result despite campaigning for Remain; ‘Inspired’ attacks on Jewish and moderate Labour MPs, and did nothing to protect them; Has such a chaotic professional and personal life that one close friend and adviser says: ‘He is not fit to be leader of the Labour Party or Prime Minister’; Followed Lenin and Trotsky’s blueprint to seize power, purge moderates and crush dissent while playing the ‘nice guy’ and letting Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell to do the ‘scary’ work as key allies, including union backer Len McCluskey, drew up lists of opponents to be deselected; Employs staff in his office who are described as ‘lazy and p***ed on £100,000 a year’; Lacks the mental agility to chair all but the most basic political meetings; Harbours a lifelong jealousy of the rich and successful that started when he flunked his A-levels and dropped out of his polytechnic degree, although he claimed he left because of a row with a lecturer; Almost had his house repossessed after running up £30,000 in debts; Had a series of relationships with younger women after separating from wife Claudia, conducting them in the basement of their shared house while Claudia was living with their three sons – and a ‘toy boy’ – on the top floors; Believes that anyone who disagrees with uncontrolled immigration is ‘racist’ ;
Has no interest in culture or in reading books; Abandoned his vegetarian principles when he was invited to eat meat with Cuban leader Fidel Castro; Was on the brink of retiring to Wiltshire to keep bees when he was persuaded to run for leader. Last night, Conservative Party chairman Brandon Lewis reacted to the revelations by saying: ‘What Corbyn has done to his own party is shameful, what he would do to our country would be a tragedy. He is not fit to govern.’ Corbyn provoked further fury last night by snubbing a showdown with his MPs over anti-Semitism, due to be held at a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party tomorrow. Corbyn, along with party general secretary Jennie Formby, have pleaded prior engagements despite the MPs warning that Labour risks being seen as ‘institutionally anti-Semitic’
But last night a Labour source insisted that Corbyn ‘was never expected to be or scheduled to be at Monday’s meeting’. As the anti-Semitism row rages, this newspaper has obtained shocking messages directed at Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger. She was branded a ‘dirty little Zionist rat’ and taunted with vile abuse describing ‘all Jews’ as ‘c****’ by pro-Corbyn supporters on an official Facebook page for a local Liverpool Labour Party constituency. In a statement issued in response to the attacks, Ms Berger said: ‘This is all-too typical of the malign culture now bearing down on many hard-working MPs.
‘Nothing will deter me from exposing the truth about the anti-Semitism allowed to fester on Jeremy Corbyn’s watch.’ Bower’s investigation will further stoke the growing fury in the party over Mr Corbyn’s handling of the anti-Semitism scandal, his supporters’ hounding of moderate MPs and his deliberately incoherent stance on Brexit. The author describes how Momentum, the Left-wing movement which backs Corbyn’s leadership, engaged in ‘permanent mobilisation’ to cement him in power. A ‘loyalty list’ was compiled of Labour MPs, with every Jewish MP described as ‘hostile’ or ‘negative’, while Chuka Umunna, whose father was Nigerian, was described as not ‘politically black’.
When Mr McDonnell saw Mr Ummuna interviewed on television he seethed that he was not one of ‘our people’. Unite leader Len McCluskey, a key Corbyn bankroller, also had a ‘little list’ in his inside pocket with ‘names of people I’d like to see go’. Bower’s book will fan the growing anger in Labour over Corbyn’s Brexit policy by setting out how both Corbyn and McDonnell wanted to campaign for Britain to leave the EU – despite the vast majority of Labour MPs backing Remain – because he regarded the EU as a ‘capitalists’ club’ which would be a barrier to his project to ‘build socialism’. He also concluded that Brexit would destroy David Cameron’s Government and increase the chance of Labour getting into power.
Corbyn only agreed to campaign to stay in the EU after protests from Remainers in his Shadow Cabinet, led by Hilary Benn. But his deliberate sabotage of his own campaign was highlighted when he decided to attend the British Kebab Awards rather than attend a major Remain rally, on the advice of his most senior adviser, Seumas Milne. Bower writes that, on the night of the referendum, Corbyn ‘disappeared’, and the following morning was ‘seen laughing over breakfast with his team’. He says: ‘Although Milne and McDonnell admitted to voting Leave, Corbyn would deny that he had done so.’ Further evidence has also emerged about Corbyn’s real anti-EU views. Footage of him addressing the Durham Miners Gala in 2010, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, shows him condemning ‘the world’s bankers, International Monetary Fund, European Union’ for being ‘utterly united in what they want.
Utterly united in deflation, suppressing the economy, and creating unemployment.’ The revelations come as at least six Labour MPs who object to Corbyn’s policy on Brexit are believed to be in talks about a breakaway movement. Corbyn threw his party into turmoil last week by setting out a series of demands to Theresa May in return for Labour’s support for her Brexit deal, including membership of a customs union. The move enraged many of his pro-Remain MPs, including Mr Umunna, who called it ‘totally demoralising’ because it would kill off their plans for a second referendum. Tory chairman Brandon Lewis added: ‘For decades Jeremy Corbyn peddled his blinkered world view and hard-Left ideology from the Commons backbenches – happier to sow dissent than heal division, to criticise than to seek consensus. He is not a backbench MP any more – he is a man who wants to be our Prime Minister but one who still refuses to accept the responsibilities that come with leadership. ‘He failed to face facts over the Salisbury poisoning, he has shamefully failed to root out racism in his own ranks and he has failed to set out a credible plan for Brexit. ‘He has stood by as the Labour Party, with its proud tradition of decency and patriotism, succumbed to the mentality of mob rule and has stayed silent while his own MPs are bullied and hounded online.’
Minister warns Rees-Mogg ERG's plans for hard exit could BACKFIRE - 'No Brexit AT ALL!
Tobias Ellwood launched a scathing attack on the anti-EU European Research Group (ERG), claiming the organisation of eurosceptic Tory MPs "are not my party." The Defence Minister urged colleagues to fall in line with Theresa May's Brexit withdrawal agreement instead of "hampering" her attempts to secure a divorce deal with the European Union. Speaking to BBC Any Question?, Mr Ellwood said: "If we don’t support the Prime Minister and get this across the line, you’re probably going to move towards an ever softer Brexit or possibly not leaving the European Union at all.
Principled? Corbyn secretly believed in Brexit... but 'campaigned' for Remain, bombshell book reveals
It will appal many of his young supporters but Corbyn welcomed David Cameron’s Referendum announcement – because his Euroscepticism is long-standing and deep-rooted Europe, he told President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela in 2014, had ‘suffered appallingly’ because the EU was a capitalists’ club and a barrier to his life’s work to ‘build socialism’. The EU, he believed, existed for greedy bankers and multinationals to exploit the working class. If Britain voted to leave, and freed itself from Brussels’ control, a socialist government could prevent British investment abroad and control markets, tariffs and profits – all contrary to EU laws.
Both Corbyn and McDonnell wanted to campaign for Britain to leave, but were challenged by Hilary Benn and others in the Shadow Cabinet. Reluctantly, Corbyn agreed to campaign for Remain. The Remainers’ chances of success, Corbyn knew, depended on Labour voters. Cameron’s fate was equally bound up in the outcome. If Britain voted Leave, Corbyn calculated, the PM would be humiliated and the Tories weakened. Those were good reasons not to appear on any platform alongside him. To Alan Johnson, appointed to lead Labour’s Remain campaign, Corbyn’s reluctance to preach the advantages of the EU was ‘risible’.
Within weeks of Johnson starting his work, tensions intensified. According to him, Corbyn’s closest associates were undermining his efforts. Corbyn ignored him at meetings and found regular excuses not to appear on the Remainers’ platform while he continued to speak in favour of the IRA and Hamas.
‘You’re deliberately sending Jeremy to speak in areas where he’s not needed,’ a journalist told Seumas Milne, Corbyn’s spin doctor. ‘Don’t be so stupid,’ said Milne, laughing. He would not dream of ‘scuppering the vote’. Corbyn knew the contrary. For Labour supporters tempted to vote Leave, controlling immigration was critical, but to him those opposed to open borders were racist. To keep ideologically pure, he ordered party officials to remove every reference to immigration from Labour’s campaign. As he understood perfectly well, his stance was deeply damaging to Remain. Hilary Benn intervened. Entering Corbyn’s office, he said: ‘You need to think in the language of the national interest.’ Milne laughed. ‘What’s funny about the national interest?’ asked Imran Ahmed, Benn’s assistant.
Milne’s dismissive shrug sparked an outburst from Benn directed at Corbyn. Trashing Cameron, he said, was short-sighted. The Referendum could be lost. Milne started to interrupt. ‘Shut up!’ Benn shouted. ‘This is for elected people to discuss!’ ‘We won’t speak about immigration or the national interest,’ Corbyn told Benn. Soon after, he removed from an important leaflet a personal endorsement written by a party official. The words he deleted ran: ‘I am clear, just like my Shadow Cabinet, the trade union movement and our members, that it is in the interests of the people of this country to remain in the EU.’
His not-so-subtle sabotage of his own campaign went on. On Milne’s advice, Corbyn chose to star at the British Kebab Awards rather than attend a major Remain rally. Johnson was even more indignant about his leader’s appearance in a white fur coat and black tie on The Last Leg, a Channel 4 comedy show. Not only did Corbyn deliberately look unserious, but, to harm the campaign still further, he told the audience that he was only ‘7 or 7.5 out of 10’ in favour of Europe. ‘I’m not a huge fan of the EU,’ he said, smiling. The result of the Referendum on June 23 shocked everyone. The puzzle on that momentous night was to locate Corbyn. He had disappeared – his staff assumed he had gone home to sleep, and had turned his telephone off. After getting up late the following day, Corbyn was seen laughing over breakfast with his team. Although Milne and McDonnell admitted to voting Leave, Corbyn would deny that he had done so.
After a telephone conversation, his old friend Keith Veness believes that he did vote Leave, not least because he sounded so delighted. Before Corbyn arrived at his office that morning, he publicly demanded that the Government should immediately apply for Article 50, the process to terminate Britain’s membership of the EU. Back then he saw no reason to prepare for negotiations or for a transition period. He simply wanted Britain out of the European Union without establishing any relationship with the customs union or the single market, and emphatically ruled out a second referendum.
The Observer wonders, at a time of Brexit splits, claims of anti-Semitism and rows about Venezuela, whether Mr Corbyn can hold his increasingly divided party together. It reports that - according to very senior figures - there is concern at the highest level about rising levels of discontent and talks of breakaways. The Sunday Times feels that, try as he might, Mr Corbyn cannot escape the charge that the party has become a hotbed of anti-Semitism. It also thinks he is struggling because he cannot reconcile his own Euroscepticism with the views of Labour supporters - most of whom back a second referendum.
There is much speculation about the Brexit negotiations. The Sun on Sunday reports that Theresa May has set her sights on clinching an agreement just 72 hours before Britain is due to leave, raising the prospect of MPs having to vote for a final deal or crashing out. The Sunday Times suggests Labour is seeking to seize control of the talks by forcing Mrs May to put her deal to a second decisive vote before the end of the month. In an interview with the paper, Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer says Labour will try to stop a no-deal Brexit with an amendment that will compel her to hold another meaningful vote before 26 February. The Mail on Sunday claims six cabinet ministers have met to try to find "common ground" between warring cabinet groups - with more talks planned for Monday.
Brexit ferry contract scrapped The Observer says Theresa May is facing cross-party calls to sack the Transport Secretary Chris Grayling after the collapse of the contract to a ferry company that had no ships. It reports that senior Tories have accused her of turning a blind eye to Mr Grayling's decision to award a deal to Seaborne Freight, despite widespread derision. The government scrapped the contract on Saturday. For the Sunday Mirror, Mr Grayling's "legacy of failure is unprecedented in modern politics" and he should resign.
BREXIT PLAN: Theresa May to **** VICTORY from the jaws of defeat 3 days before March 29
THERESA May plans to secure her Brexit deal just three days before March 29, according to former Government chief whip Mark Harper
He warned MPs would need to “hold their nerve right up to the wire” to to give the Prime Minister her best chance at securing a good deal. MPs anxious about “crashing out” have been attempting to pass legislation that would allow Parliament to delay Article 50, but this was voted down. Mrs May went back to Brussels seeking further concessions from the EU after her deal was defeated in the Commons by the biggest margin a Government has ever lost by - 230 votes. She is seeking legal reassurances over the Irish backstop in the hope it will quell the fears of Brexiteers. She is due to return to the Commons on Thursday for another vote, which she is unlikely to win given there has been no significant changes to the Withdrawal Agreement. The next date for a vote in Parliament could be as late at March 26, Mr Harper told The Sun. He said: “The most likely date for a meaningful vote on a revised withdrawal agreement could be as late as Tuesday March 26 - just three days before we are formally scheduled to leave the EU.
“To give the Prime Minister a fighting chance to secure the necessary changes to the Withdrawal Agreement to get Parliament’s approval, MPs will have to hold their nerve right up to the wire.” If the Prime Minister emerges from Thursday’s vote still leading her party, her aim will likely be o pin down European leaders at the EU-Arab League summit in Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt. It is reportedly likely that the final decision will be made at an all-night summit of EU leaders on March 22. This would give Theresa May just 6 more days before the UK leaves the EU, with or without a deal.
She would return to the Commons on Monday March 25, followed by a debate and vote the next day. A senior government source told The Sun: “It’s a tight landing zone - but it’s a landing zone nevertheless. If we can get our timing right, we’ll touch down in time. Those backing the Prime Minister apparently hope the tight time frame will persuade wavering MPs to back the plan to avoid a no deal Brexit. Meanwhile, the EU have maintained they will not be renegotiating any aspects of the Withdrawal Agreement.
Brexit BLOW: Theresa May to delay Brexit vote AGAIN as PM says she needs another FORTNIGHT
THERESA May is to delay the vote on her Brexit Deal once again in order to give herself more time to try and adjust the Withdrawal Agreement.
The Prime Minister will ask for another two weeks to alter the agreement as pro-Remain MPs prepare to remove the option of a no deal Brexit. She will urge the Commons to allow her to come back later this month to update MPs on her plans and give them an opportunity to vote on how to proceed. With the exit date looming, Mrs May is finding it hard to make any adjustments to the Withdrawal Agreement, as the EU has so far insisted that negotiations are over.
Blair warns of no-deal 'devastation' in Northern Ireland
"You can have the soft Brexit, which is really what Jeremy Corbyn is suggesting, or you could have the hard Brexit that Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and other people want. "And what I've really been saying all the way through this process is you've got to decide which of those Brexits you want before we leave - otherwise, we're going to leave without clarity." He said leaving without clarity meant "no closure" for the country, leaving the argument to rage on long after the UK leaves the EU. "By then you'll have left paid your money up front and you'll have given up your negotiating leverage," he said. "For the country to do that, as Theresa May wants to do - to leave without knowing what Brexit you get - this would be, in my view, an incredibly foolish thing for the country to do."It's got to know where we're heading before we leave."
No deal Brexit chances are rising, says CBI business lobby
LONDON (Reuters) - The chances of Britain leaving the European Union next month without a deal have increased and the country has now entered "the emergency zone", the head of business lobby group the Confederation of British Industry told Sky news on Sunday. "It feels like the parliamentary process is in logjam, no way can be found through, so that prospect of no-deal feels much higher," CBI Director General Carolyn Fairbairn said. "We really are in the emergency zone of Brexit now."
Blair warns of no-deal 'devastation' in Northern Ireland
"You can have the soft Brexit, which is really what Jeremy Corbyn is suggesting, or you could have the hard Brexit that Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and other people want. "And what I've really been saying all the way through this process is you've got to decide which of those Brexits you want before we leave - otherwise, we're going to leave without clarity." He said leaving without clarity meant "no closure" for the country, leaving the argument to rage on long after the UK leaves the EU. "By then you'll have left paid your money up front and you'll have given up your negotiating leverage," he said. "For the country to do that, as Theresa May wants to do - to leave without knowing what Brexit you get - this would be, in my view, an incredibly foolish thing for the country to do."It's got to know where we're heading before we leave."
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If you have nothing constructive to say, its best to say nothing, rather than just make yourself look silly.
I was merely pointing out that your comments seem to point to the fact that you think that your understanding is greater than that of other people, and are therefore arrogant.
The other bits about usernames and ego boosts looks like gibberish to me, and I have no idea of the point you are trying to make.
Despite my comments of yesterday, maybe you are better off just arguing about shopping.
That is unless they are about shopping.
The day the immigrants left one was a Newsnight report and was balanced, but you probably haven't watched it, or you would know.
Major Tory donors are warning that a no-deal Brexit risks precipitating a recession, with some reconsidering their support should the party allow Britain to crash out with no agreement.
With Theresa May desperately battling for concessions from Brussels and less than 50 days until Britain’s EU departure, senior government sources admitted last night that attempts to delay Brexit would become “irresistible” should no deal be agreed by the end of this month.
There is now serious nervousness among moderate party backers, with one donor warning of a “wider insurrection if Britain spirals out of the EU with no deal”.
Maurizio Bragagni, the chief executive of cable company Tratos, which has given more than £200,000 to the Tories, and Rami Ranger, whose Sun Mark distribution company has given more than £1m, both called on the party’s MPs to compromise, adding that a recession was possible in the wake of a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/tory-donors-could-stop-giving-after-no-deal-brexit/ar-BBTnOM8?ocid=spartanntp
Several cabinet ministers have told the BBC a no-deal Brexit could lead to a vote on Irish unification.
One senior minister said the prospect is "very real" and very much on the prime minister's mind.
A second cabinet minister warned the government risked "sleepwalking into a border poll".
And a third cabinet minister said there was an understanding in government that a vote on unification would be a "realistic possibility" if the UK leaves the EU without a deal next month.
"If we are party to creating an environment of chaos, disruption and uncertainty - that could move the dial", the source said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47170711
Jeremy Corbyn was condemned as 'not fit to govern' following a new exposé
Tom Bower spent 18 months speaking with those who know the Labour leader
The author's damning profile comes amid increasing claims that despairing Labour MPs are poised to break away from Corbyn and form their own party
In his new book, Dangerous Hero – serialised from today in The Mail on Sunday – Bower reveals that Corbyn:
Was secretly ‘delighted’ by the Brexit result despite campaigning for Remain;
‘Inspired’ attacks on Jewish and moderate Labour MPs, and did nothing to protect them;
Has such a chaotic professional and personal life that one close friend and adviser says: ‘He is not fit to be leader of the Labour Party or Prime Minister’;
Followed Lenin and Trotsky’s blueprint to seize power, purge moderates and crush dissent while playing the ‘nice guy’ and letting Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell to do the ‘scary’ work as key allies, including union backer Len McCluskey, drew up lists of opponents to be deselected;
Employs staff in his office who are described as ‘lazy and p***ed on £100,000 a year’;
Lacks the mental agility to chair all but the most basic political meetings;
Harbours a lifelong jealousy of the rich and successful that started when he flunked his A-levels and dropped out of his polytechnic degree, although he claimed he left because of a row with a lecturer;
Almost had his house repossessed after running up £30,000 in debts;
Had a series of relationships with younger women after separating from wife Claudia, conducting them in the basement of their shared house while Claudia was living with their three sons – and a ‘toy boy’ – on the top floors;
Believes that anyone who disagrees with uncontrolled immigration is ‘racist’ ;
Has no interest in culture or in reading books;
Abandoned his vegetarian principles when he was invited to eat meat with Cuban leader Fidel Castro;
Was on the brink of retiring to Wiltshire to keep bees when he was persuaded to run for leader.
Last night, Conservative Party chairman Brandon Lewis reacted to the revelations by saying: ‘What Corbyn has done to his own party is shameful, what he would do to our country would be a tragedy. He is not fit to govern.’
Corbyn provoked further fury last night by snubbing a showdown with his MPs over anti-Semitism, due to be held at a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party tomorrow.
Corbyn, along with party general secretary Jennie Formby, have pleaded prior engagements despite the MPs warning that Labour risks being seen as ‘institutionally anti-Semitic’
But last night a Labour source insisted that Corbyn ‘was never expected to be or scheduled to be at Monday’s meeting’.
As the anti-Semitism row rages, this newspaper has obtained shocking messages directed at Jewish Labour MP Luciana Berger.
She was branded a ‘dirty little Zionist rat’ and taunted with vile abuse describing ‘all Jews’ as ‘c****’ by pro-Corbyn supporters on an official Facebook page for a local Liverpool Labour Party constituency.
In a statement issued in response to the attacks, Ms Berger said: ‘This is all-too typical of the malign culture now bearing down on many hard-working MPs.
‘Nothing will deter me from exposing the truth about the anti-Semitism allowed to fester on Jeremy Corbyn’s watch.’
Bower’s investigation will further stoke the growing fury in the party over Mr Corbyn’s handling of the anti-Semitism scandal, his supporters’ hounding of moderate MPs and his deliberately incoherent stance on Brexit.
The author describes how Momentum, the Left-wing movement which backs Corbyn’s leadership, engaged in ‘permanent mobilisation’ to cement him in power.
A ‘loyalty list’ was compiled of Labour MPs, with every Jewish MP described as ‘hostile’ or ‘negative’, while Chuka Umunna, whose father was Nigerian, was described as not ‘politically black’.
When Mr McDonnell saw Mr Ummuna interviewed on television he seethed that he was not one of ‘our people’.
Unite leader Len McCluskey, a key Corbyn bankroller, also had a ‘little list’ in his inside pocket with ‘names of people I’d like to see go’.
Bower’s book will fan the growing anger in Labour over Corbyn’s Brexit policy by setting out how both Corbyn and McDonnell wanted to campaign for Britain to leave the EU – despite the vast majority of Labour MPs backing Remain – because he regarded the EU as a ‘capitalists’ club’ which would be a barrier to his project to ‘build socialism’. He also concluded that Brexit would destroy David Cameron’s Government and increase the chance of Labour getting into power.
Corbyn only agreed to campaign to stay in the EU after protests from Remainers in his Shadow Cabinet, led by Hilary Benn. But his deliberate sabotage of his own campaign was highlighted when he decided to attend the British Kebab Awards rather than attend a major Remain rally, on the advice of his most senior adviser, Seumas Milne.
Bower writes that, on the night of the referendum, Corbyn ‘disappeared’, and the following morning was ‘seen laughing over breakfast with his team’. He says: ‘Although Milne and McDonnell admitted to voting Leave, Corbyn would deny that he had done so.’
Further evidence has also emerged about Corbyn’s real anti-EU views. Footage of him addressing the Durham Miners Gala in 2010, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, shows him condemning ‘the world’s bankers, International Monetary Fund, European Union’ for being ‘utterly united in what they want.
Utterly united in deflation, suppressing the economy, and creating unemployment.’
The revelations come as at least six Labour MPs who object to Corbyn’s policy on Brexit are believed to be in talks about a breakaway movement.
Corbyn threw his party into turmoil last week by setting out a series of demands to Theresa May in return for Labour’s support for her Brexit deal, including membership of a customs union. The move enraged many of his pro-Remain MPs, including Mr Umunna, who called it ‘totally demoralising’ because it would kill off their plans for a second referendum.
Tory chairman Brandon Lewis added: ‘For decades Jeremy Corbyn peddled his blinkered world view and hard-Left ideology from the Commons backbenches – happier to sow dissent than heal division, to criticise than to seek consensus. He is not a backbench MP any more – he is a man who wants to be our Prime Minister but one who still refuses to accept the responsibilities that come with leadership.
‘He failed to face facts over the Salisbury poisoning, he has shamefully failed to root out racism in his own ranks and he has failed to set out a credible plan for Brexit.
‘He has stood by as the Labour Party, with its proud tradition of decency and patriotism, succumbed to the mentality of mob rule and has stayed silent while his own MPs are bullied and hounded online.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6686857/Jeremy-Corbyn-condemned-not-fit-govern-expose-investigative-author.html
THE DUTCH government says it is in talks with 250 UK-based companies about relocating to the Netherlands before Brexit.
The Economic Affairs Ministry said it managed to lure 42 firms or branch offices away from Britain in 2018.
Dutch authorities say the relocation has seen the Netherlands benefit from nearly 2,000 jobs and some £250 million in investment.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1084996/brexit-news-holland-netherlands-jobs-relocation-european-medicines-agency
Tobias Ellwood launched a scathing attack on the anti-EU European Research Group (ERG), claiming the organisation of eurosceptic Tory MPs "are not my party." The Defence Minister urged colleagues to fall in line with Theresa May's Brexit withdrawal agreement instead of "hampering" her attempts to secure a divorce deal with the European Union. Speaking to BBC Any Question?, Mr Ellwood said: "If we don’t support the Prime Minister and get this across the line, you’re probably going to move towards an ever softer Brexit or possibly not leaving the European Union at all.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1084673/Brexit-news-Tobias-Ellwood-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-UK-EU-withdrawal-Remain-ERG-May-deal-vote
It will appal many of his young supporters but Corbyn welcomed David Cameron’s Referendum announcement – because his Euroscepticism is long-standing and deep-rooted
Europe, he told President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela in 2014, had ‘suffered appallingly’ because the EU was a capitalists’ club and a barrier to his life’s work to ‘build socialism’.
The EU, he believed, existed for greedy bankers and multinationals to exploit the working class.
If Britain voted to leave, and freed itself from Brussels’ control, a socialist government could prevent British investment abroad and control markets, tariffs and profits – all contrary to EU laws.
Both Corbyn and McDonnell wanted to campaign for Britain to leave, but were challenged by Hilary Benn and others in the Shadow Cabinet. Reluctantly, Corbyn agreed to campaign for Remain. The Remainers’ chances of success, Corbyn knew, depended on Labour voters. Cameron’s fate was equally bound up in the outcome. If Britain voted Leave, Corbyn calculated, the PM would be humiliated and the Tories weakened. Those were good reasons not to appear on any platform alongside him. To Alan Johnson, appointed to lead Labour’s Remain campaign, Corbyn’s reluctance to preach the advantages of the EU was ‘risible’.
Within weeks of Johnson starting his work, tensions intensified. According to him, Corbyn’s closest associates were undermining his efforts.
Corbyn ignored him at meetings and found regular excuses not to appear on the Remainers’ platform while he continued to speak in favour of the IRA and Hamas.
‘You’re deliberately sending Jeremy to speak in areas where he’s not needed,’ a journalist told Seumas Milne, Corbyn’s spin doctor. ‘Don’t be so stupid,’ said Milne, laughing. He would not dream of ‘scuppering the vote’.
Corbyn knew the contrary. For Labour supporters tempted to vote Leave, controlling immigration was critical, but to him those opposed to open borders were racist. To keep ideologically pure, he ordered party officials to remove every reference to immigration from Labour’s campaign. As he understood perfectly well, his stance was deeply damaging to Remain. Hilary Benn intervened. Entering Corbyn’s office, he said: ‘You need to think in the language of the national interest.’
Milne laughed. ‘What’s funny about the national interest?’ asked Imran Ahmed, Benn’s assistant.
Milne’s dismissive shrug sparked an outburst from Benn directed at Corbyn. Trashing Cameron, he said, was short-sighted. The Referendum could be lost. Milne started to interrupt. ‘Shut up!’ Benn shouted. ‘This is for elected people to discuss!’
‘We won’t speak about immigration or the national interest,’ Corbyn told Benn. Soon after, he removed from an important leaflet a personal endorsement written by a party official. The words he deleted ran: ‘I am clear, just like my Shadow Cabinet, the trade union movement and our members, that it is in the interests of the people of this country to remain in the EU.’
His not-so-subtle sabotage of his own campaign went on. On Milne’s advice, Corbyn chose to star at the British Kebab Awards rather than attend a major Remain rally. Johnson was even more indignant about his leader’s appearance in a white fur coat and black tie on The Last Leg, a Channel 4 comedy show.
Not only did Corbyn deliberately look unserious, but, to harm the campaign still further, he told the audience that he was only ‘7 or 7.5 out of 10’ in favour of Europe.
‘I’m not a huge fan of the EU,’ he said, smiling.
The result of the Referendum on June 23 shocked everyone. The puzzle on that momentous night was to locate Corbyn. He had disappeared – his staff assumed he had gone home to sleep, and had turned his telephone off. After getting up late the following day, Corbyn was seen laughing over breakfast with his team. Although Milne and McDonnell admitted to voting Leave, Corbyn would deny that he had done so.
After a telephone conversation, his old friend Keith Veness believes that he did vote Leave, not least because he sounded so delighted.
Before Corbyn arrived at his office that morning, he publicly demanded that the Government should immediately apply for Article 50, the process to terminate Britain’s membership of the EU. Back then he saw no reason to prepare for negotiations or for a transition period.
He simply wanted Britain out of the European Union without establishing any relationship with the customs union or the single market, and emphatically ruled out a second referendum.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6686975/Corbyn-secretly-believed-Brexit-campaigned-Remain-bombshell-book-reveals.html
It reports that - according to very senior figures - there is concern at the highest level about rising levels of discontent and talks of breakaways.
The Sunday Times feels that, try as he might, Mr Corbyn cannot escape the charge that the party has become a hotbed of anti-Semitism. It also thinks he is struggling because he cannot reconcile his own Euroscepticism with the views of Labour supporters - most of whom back a second referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47187473
The Sunday Times suggests Labour is seeking to seize control of the talks by forcing Mrs May to put her deal to a second decisive vote before the end of the month.
In an interview with the paper, Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer says Labour will try to stop a no-deal Brexit with an amendment that will compel her to hold another meaningful vote before 26 February.
The Mail on Sunday claims six cabinet ministers have met to try to find "common ground" between warring cabinet groups - with more talks planned for Monday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47187473
The Observer says Theresa May is facing cross-party calls to sack the Transport Secretary Chris Grayling after the collapse of the contract to a ferry company that had no ships.
It reports that senior Tories have accused her of turning a blind eye to Mr Grayling's decision to award a deal to Seaborne Freight, despite widespread derision. The government scrapped the contract on Saturday.
For the Sunday Mirror, Mr Grayling's "legacy of failure is unprecedented in modern politics" and he should resign.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47187473
THERESA May plans to secure her Brexit deal just three days before March 29, according to former Government chief whip Mark Harper
He warned MPs would need to “hold their nerve right up to the wire” to to give the Prime Minister her best chance at securing a good deal. MPs anxious about “crashing out” have been attempting to pass legislation that would allow Parliament to delay Article 50, but this was voted down. Mrs May went back to Brussels seeking further concessions from the EU after her deal was defeated in the Commons by the biggest margin a Government has ever lost by - 230 votes.
She is seeking legal reassurances over the Irish backstop in the hope it will quell the fears of Brexiteers.
She is due to return to the Commons on Thursday for another vote, which she is unlikely to win given there has been no significant changes to the Withdrawal Agreement.
The next date for a vote in Parliament could be as late at March 26, Mr Harper told The Sun.
He said: “The most likely date for a meaningful vote on a revised withdrawal agreement could be as late as Tuesday March 26 - just three days before we are formally scheduled to leave the EU.
“To give the Prime Minister a fighting chance to secure the necessary changes to the Withdrawal Agreement to get Parliament’s approval, MPs will have to hold their nerve right up to the wire.”
If the Prime Minister emerges from Thursday’s vote still leading her party, her aim will likely be o pin down European leaders at the EU-Arab League summit in Sharm el Sheikh, Egypt.
It is reportedly likely that the final decision will be made at an all-night summit of EU leaders on March 22.
This would give Theresa May just 6 more days before the UK leaves the EU, with or without a deal.
She would return to the Commons on Monday March 25, followed by a debate and vote the next day.
A senior government source told The Sun: “It’s a tight landing zone - but it’s a landing zone nevertheless. If we can get our timing right, we’ll touch down in time.
Those backing the Prime Minister apparently hope the tight time frame will persuade wavering MPs to back the plan to avoid a no deal Brexit.
Meanwhile, the EU have maintained they will not be renegotiating any aspects of the Withdrawal Agreement.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1085012/Brexit-news-Theresa-May-Brexit-deal-March-39-no-deal-Brexit-mark-harper-leave-EU
THERESA May is to delay the vote on her Brexit Deal once again in order to give herself more time to try and adjust the Withdrawal Agreement.
The Prime Minister will ask for another two weeks to alter the agreement as pro-Remain MPs prepare to remove the option of a no deal Brexit. She will urge the Commons to allow her to come back later this month to update MPs on her plans and give them an opportunity to vote on how to proceed. With the exit date looming, Mrs May is finding it hard to make any adjustments to the Withdrawal Agreement, as the EU has so far insisted that negotiations are over.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1085009/Brexit-news-Theresa-May-brexit-deal-withdrawal-agreement-leave-EU
THERESA May has been warned her party faces a local election Brexit wipe out if she extends Article 50 beyond the March 29 deadline.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1084811/brexit-news-theresa-may-article-50-latest-may-local-election-conservative-march-29
"You can have the soft Brexit, which is really what Jeremy Corbyn is suggesting, or you could have the hard Brexit that Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and other people want.
"And what I've really been saying all the way through this process is you've got to decide which of those Brexits you want before we leave - otherwise, we're going to leave without clarity."
He said leaving without clarity meant "no closure" for the country, leaving the argument to rage on long after the UK leaves the EU.
"By then you'll have left paid your money up front and you'll have given up your negotiating leverage," he said. "For the country to do that, as Theresa May wants to do - to leave without knowing what Brexit you get - this would be, in my view, an incredibly foolish thing for the country to do."It's got to know where we're heading before we leave."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/blair-warns-of-no-deal-devastation-in-northern-ireland/ar-BBToaoH?ocid=spartandhp
LONDON (Reuters) - The chances of Britain leaving the European Union next month without a deal have increased and the country has now entered "the emergency zone", the head of business lobby group the Confederation of British Industry told Sky news on Sunday.
"It feels like the parliamentary process is in logjam, no way can be found through, so that prospect of no-deal feels much higher," CBI Director General Carolyn Fairbairn said. "We really are in the emergency zone of Brexit now."
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/no-deal-brexit-chances-rising-says-cbi-business-100710113--business.html