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  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    edited September 2020
    Rinkhals said:

    Why is no one calling out the EU for the bullies that they are but calling the elected UK government everything under the sun?

    Why do you think they are bullies?
    What do you think our press would be calling the EU, if they were threatening to disregard the Withdrawal Agreement?


    I guess that patriotism is a dirty word these days. The EU was only ever meant to be a free trade area but slowly and sneakily they have produced a flag, an anthem, proposed to have an military force and ride rough shod over any of the nations within the block.

    And we were part of it as it evolved.
    Nobody else seems keen to leave.
    I guess that patriotism can give people a biased view of the negotiations


    They did it with the Greeks,

    Did what?
    Lent them billions of Euros?


    No matter how frustrated the country may be with Brussels, a staggering 75% of Greeks are still in favour of being part of the EU

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/13/greece-problems-with-eu-would-never-leave



    the Irish (who they pretty much had re-run a referendum because it didn't go their way)



    Whose way?
    Many people in the UK were in favour of a second EU referendum?
    Scotland may well have another one?
    NI and Wales may not be far behind.


    and now they want to pretty much split the UK down the Irish Sea.

    That is a completely ridiculous thing to say.
    This was our problem which the EU have patiently tried to help solve.
    If we leave the EU without a deal, we will be trading with them on WTO rules.
    WTO rules clearly state that where two different customs territories meet, there must be a border.
    What would you suggest?


    THe UK government has ALWAYS said that they will not put a hard border on the island of Ireland.

    They cant, without breaching the Good Friday Agreement.
    So what do you think are the alternatives?
    We could have solved this by staying in the Customs Union, and the Single Market.
    Theresa May decided against and brought in the Backstop, as a solution.
    Boris didnt like the Backstop, but still signed the Withdrawal Agreement.
    Perhaps he didnt read it because all of a sudden, he doesnt like his own deal.




    That will be down to the EU but they're trying to make it out to be a problem that he UK has caused by having the temerity to adhere to a democratic vote.


    We have had 4 years since the referendum to come up with a solution.
    Why blame the EU?
    Why didnt our politicians foresee this problem prior to the referendum
    If you decide to leave the Customs Union, and Single Market, then the two options for a border would seem to be on the island of Ireland, or in the Irish Sea.
    Where else could you put one?
    Surely you have to accept that the EU are entitled to protect the Single Market.



    Some of the arguments that have been put forward just make me laugh.
    Take fishing for instance.
    There has been outrage over EU fishermen fishing in our waters.
    Nigel Farage was on the telly protesting over this by throwing dead fish into the Thames from a boat.
    Yet why does nobody mention that our fishermen fish in EU waters, or that we sell most of our fish in Europe, or even that our fishing industry turns over less than Harrods?
    Yes, less than one shop.
    Why so much outrage?</b

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    chilling said:

    Strapped in?... enjoying the ride?.... thanks all, for your support.... UK 💪









  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    HAYSIE said:

    Rinkhals said:

    Why is no one calling out the EU for the bullies that they are but calling the elected UK government everything under the sun?

    Why do you think they are bullies?
    What do you think our press would be calling the EU, if they were threatening to disregard the Withdrawal Agreement?


    I guess that patriotism is a dirty word these days. The EU was only ever meant to be a free trade area but slowly and sneakily they have produced a flag, an anthem, proposed to have an military force and ride rough shod over any of the nations within the block.

    And we were part of it as it evolved.
    Nobody else seems keen to leave.
    I guess that patriotism can give people a biased view of the negotiations


    They did it with the Greeks,

    Did what?
    Lent them billions of Euros?


    No matter how frustrated the country may be with Brussels, a staggering 75% of Greeks are still in favour of being part of the EU

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/13/greece-problems-with-eu-would-never-leave



    the Irish (who they pretty much had re-run a referendum because it didn't go their way)



    Whose way?
    Many people in the UK were in favour of a second EU referendum?
    Scotland may well have another one?
    NI and Wales may not be far behind.


    and now they want to pretty much split the UK down the Irish Sea.

    That is a completely ridiculous thing to say.
    This was our problem which the EU have patiently tried to help solve.
    If we leave the EU without a deal, we will be trading with them on WTO rules.
    WTO rules clearly state that where two different customs territories meet, there must be a border.
    What would you suggest?


    THe UK government has ALWAYS said that they will not put a hard border on the island of Ireland.

    They cant, without breaching the Good Friday Agreement.
    So what do you think are the alternatives?
    We could have solved this by staying in the Customs Union, and the Single Market.
    Theresa May decided against and brought in the Backstop, as a solution.
    Boris didnt like the Backstop, but still signed the Withdrawal Agreement.
    Perhaps he didnt read it because all of a sudden, he doesnt like his own deal.




    That will be down to the EU but they're trying to make it out to be a problem that he UK has caused by having the temerity to adhere to a democratic vote.


    We have had 4 years since the referendum to come up with a solution.
    Why blame the EU?
    Why didnt our politicians foresee this problem prior to the referendum
    If you decide to leave the Customs Union, and Single Market, then the two options for a border would seem to be on the island of Ireland, or in the Irish Sea.
    Where else could you put one?
    Surely you have to accept that the EU are entitled to protect the Single Market.



    Some of the arguments that have been put forward just make me laugh.
    Take fishing for instance.
    There has been outrage over EU fishermen fishing in our waters.
    Nigel Farage was on the telly protesting over this by throwing dead fish into the Thames from a boat.
    Yet why does nobody mention that our fishermen fish in EU waters, or that we sell most of our fish in Europe, or even that our fishing industry turns over less than Harrods?
    Yes, less than one shop.
    Why so much outrage?






    What is really behind the PM's Brexit move?






    The prime minister played hardball with the European Union, insisting the Withdrawal Agreement be re-opened and the Irish backstop - which effectively kept all of the UK in a customs union with the EU - be removed. He said he would under no circumstances extend Brexit beyond 31 October.

    In the end, he did reach an agreement with the EU (and he was also forced by MPs to delay Brexit). That "great" deal, which he is now trying to overwrite, was the "oven ready" Brexit deal he fought and won an election on.

    He secured support from Brexiteers by removing the backstop from the Withdrawal Agreement but in return agreed to a new customs border inside the UK between Northern Ireland and mainland Britain. A border down the Irish Sea was at the time too much for the DUP and now, a year later, it's suddenly too much for the PM too.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/what-is-really-behind-the-pm-s-brexit-move/ar-BB192q6k?ocid=msedgntp
  • vaigretvaigret Member Posts: 16,380
    When Ed Milliband can have our PM for breakfast when he was ridiculed for how he ate a bacon bap even the BREXITEERS should worry where he is letting Dominic take us.

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    vaigret said:

    When Ed Milliband can have our PM for breakfast when he was ridiculed for how he ate a bacon bap even the BREXITEERS should worry where he is letting Dominic take us.

    The man is a clown.



  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,404
    Wasn't it the younger generation saying that older people have ruined their lives for voting for Brexit?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8742483/Leeds-freshers-shun-social-distancing-droves-hit-town-week-university-term.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    edited September 2020
    Joe Biden Warns Good Friday Agreement Cannot Become 'Casualty' Of Brexit




    US presidential candidate Joe Biden has said he will not allow the Good Friday Agreement to become a “casualty” of Brexit if he is elected in November.
    The Democratic candidate said any trade deal between the US and UK had to be “contingent” on respect for the Northern Ireland peace deal.

    On Wednesday night, he tweeted: “We can’t allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit.

    “Any trade deal between the US and UK must be contingent upon respect for the Agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period.”

    His comments came as foreign secretary Dominic Raab was visiting Washington DC in an attempt to reassure US politicians that Britain’s support for the Northern Ireland peace agreement was “absolute”.


    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-warns-good-friday-agreement-cannot-become-casualty-of-brexit-070342891.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    UK defends planned Brexit deal breach as Biden slams move



    Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s move to break parts of the EU divorce deal relating to Northern Ireland has triggered fears it could undermine the 1998 Good Friday peace accord that ended decades of violence between Irish nationalists and British unionists.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-defends-planned-brexit-deal-breach-as-biden-slams-move/ar-BB198rnt?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    EU stands firm on demand for changes to Brexit Bill despite PM’s compromise


    Brussels is standing firm on its demand for the UK to abandon plans to override key elements of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, despite ministers agreeing a compromise with Tory rebels.

    Boris Johnson was forced to agree to table an amendment to the UK Internal Market Bill, giving MPs a vote before the Government can use powers which would breach the deal brokered with the EU last year.

    His controversial plan to break international law angered scores of his backbenchers,
    and prompted the European Commission to demand the provisions in the Bill relating to
    the Withdrawal Agreement be dropped by the end of the month


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eu-stands-firm-on-demand-for-changes-to-brexit-bill-despite-pm-s-compromise/ar-BB198Hsy?ocid=msedgntp


  • VespaPXVespaPX Member Posts: 12,404
    Creepy Joe wont be President

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Brexit: Concession from Boris Johnson does not go far enough, warns former Tory leader


    Boris Johnson’s concession on legislation allowing him to override the Brexit withdrawal agreement has been dismissed as insufficient by Brussels and leading Tory critics of the plans.

    Former Tory leader Michael Howard said the move - made in response to intense disquiet on Conservative benches over measures which the government admits breach International law - was not enough to stave off probable defeat of the UK Internal Market Bill in the House of Lords.

    And the European Commission said that its ultimatum to withdraw the offending provisions by the end of the month or face legal action and the collapse of trade talks remained unchanged.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-concession-from-boris-johnson-does-not-go-far-enough-warns-former-tory-leader/ar-BB199cPi?ocid=msedgntp
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Amal Clooney QUITS as UK Government envoy on media freedom over Boris Johnson's 'lamentable' plan to break Brexit deal which would breach international law


    The top human rights expert announced she was quitting the high profile post over Mr Johnson's intention to bring in new legislation that would over-ride part of the Withdrawal Agreement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Northern Ireland back in centre of Brexit storm



    The government is now admitting all the things which they denied when the withdrawal agreement was discussed in the House of Commons around the end of last year when we made it quite clear that [it] allowed for the EU to continue to have a foot in the decision-making door of the UK as a whole and Northern Ireland in particular,” he said.

    “Yes we are still bruised,” he told the Financial Times in an interview near Belfast port, where he expects border posts to be built despite Mr Johnson’s promises that there will be no new infrastructure after Brexit. “Do we trust the government to deliver on all of this? No. I don’t think you can, given their past record.”

    Conor Houston, a business consultant who works with local and international firms, noted that Brexit had already increased pressure from Sinn Féin and other nationalists who want a referendum under Good Friday Agreement provisions to bring Northern Ireland into the republic.

    He said: “I think that people . . . start to get worried and say: ‘Well if they’re prepared to opt out of a binding treaty with the EU, it’s the slippery slope.’”

    The region’s peace process was designed to keep borders and identity out of politics, Mr Houston added. “Brexit of course is all about borders and identity. It is bringing something that we’ve tried to . . . park, back into our everyday politics. In a divided society that’s difficult.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/northern-ireland-back-in-centre-of-brexit-storm/ar-BB19dIMr?ocid=msedgntp

  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Brexit: NI told to start work on checkpoints at sea ports



    A letter from the UK government to Stormont's Agriculture Department instructs it to start work on check-points at NI's sea ports without delay.

    The letter, seen by BBC News NI, says it is critical checks are in place, stating such moves are in accordance with the Northern Ireland protocol.

    Last week Agriculture Minister Edwin Poots said he wanted to pause the work on food and animal controls.

    The letter seen by the BBC is from UK Environment Secretary George Eustice.

    It was sent to the most senior civil servant in Stormont's Agriculture Department.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54207178
  • HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 35,862
    Brexit: UK government to enhance border checks at NI ports







    The EU has strict rules on the entry of animals and food products into the single market.

    These products must always enter the single market through designed BCPs.

    Therefore the establishment of BCPs at Northern Ireland's ports was always going to be a consequence of the Brexit deal, though the government has been reluctant to acknowledge that.

    The EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier has repeatedly pressed the UK to speed up the implementation of the Northern Ireland part of the deal.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52654166
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