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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    'If it was so bad, why did you sign it?' Theresa May refuses to back Boris Johnson's new legislation undermining his own Brexit Withdrawal Agreement
    Mrs May, now a backbench MP, took aim at successor in the Commons today
    Refused to back Internal Market Bill while it could break international law
    Said ministers 'acting recklessly and irresponsibly' and could harm Union



    https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/09/21/7123624626347131303/636x382_MP4_7123624626347131303.mp4




    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8756965/May-defies-Boris-Johnson-Brexit-legislation-allowing-ministers-break-international-law.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    Warning of Brexit border chaos with 7,000-truck-long queues in Kent and two-day trade delays are outlined in doomsday 'worst case scenario' letter from Michael Gove to freight industry



    Channel ports, such as Dover, could see delays of up to two days, with queues up to 7,000 lorries after the Brexit transition period ends in December, Michael Gove has warned.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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    HANSONHANSON Member Posts: 897
    HAYSIE said:

    Warning of Brexit border chaos with 7,000-truck-long queues in Kent and two-day trade delays are outlined in doomsday 'worst case scenario' letter from Michael Gove to freight industry



    Channel ports, such as Dover, could see delays of up to two days, with queues up to 7,000 lorries after the Brexit transition period ends in December, Michael Gove has
    warned.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    2 or 3 days is nothing to worry about unless its perishables that the UK are sending to the EU and I'm not sure we send that much of that sort of stuff over there i could be wrong but why would we when we are going to need it my take on it is we buy in more perishables and send out non-perishables
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    HANSON said:

    HAYSIE said:

    Warning of Brexit border chaos with 7,000-truck-long queues in Kent and two-day trade delays are outlined in doomsday 'worst case scenario' letter from Michael Gove to freight industry



    Channel ports, such as Dover, could see delays of up to two days, with queues up to7,000 lorries after the Brexit transition period ends in December, Michael Gove has
    warned.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

    2 or 3 days is nothing to worry about unless its perishables that the UK are sending to the EU and I'm not sure we send that much of that sort of stuff over there i could be wrong but why would we when we are going to need it my take on it is we buy in more perishables and send out non-perishables
    Yes I think that the perishables coming in will have perished, and our just in time manufacturers will be screwed.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    'Passport to Kent' is latest attempt to prevent border chaos after a no-deal Brexit in January



    Police patrols will turn away lorries entering Kent without a special access pass to ease border chaos caused by a no-deal Brexit on January 1, the Government admitted for the first time on Wednesday.

    Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and Minister for the Cabinet Office Michael Gove, said police officers and number-plate recognition software would be used to enforce the Kent Access Permit once the transition period finishes at the end of this year.

    It would minimise the risk of huge queues tailing back from the port of Dover, he said, but critics accused him of creating an "internal border" in the UK.



    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/passport-kent-latest-attempt-prevent-175327330.html
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    No-deal Brexit will cost UK more than Covid, report finds



    The economic cost of a no-deal Brexit could be two or three times as bad as the impact of Covid, a report has concluded.

    Analysis by the London School of Economics and UK in a Changing Europe says “a no-deal Brexit would represent a further major shock to a UK economy” with a “major set of changes” to the economic relationship with the country’s largest trading partner.

    “Our modelling with LSE of the impact of a no-deal Brexit suggests that the total cost to the UK economy over the longer term will be two to three times as large as that implied by the Bank of England’s forecast for the impact of Covid-19,” says the report.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/no-deal-brexit-cost-uk-120353212.html
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    RinkhalsRinkhals Member Posts: 212
    Quick question, well 2 actaully.

    I thought if we didn't leave with a deal we'd revert to WTO rules for a 2 year transiton period.

    Also, wouldn't no deal be just as bad for the EU or aren't we supposed to acknoweldge that because we're
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    Rinkhals said:

    Quick question, well 2 actaully.

    I thought if we didn't leave with a deal we'd revert to WTO rules for a 2 year transiton period.

    Also, wouldn't no deal be just as bad for the EU or aren't we supposed to acknoweldge that because we're

    We are currently in a one year transition period which ends on the 31st December.

    If we leave without a deal we will trade on WTO rules until a deal is done, as they may possibly strike a deal later.

    No deal is worse for the EU as a whole, but the amount of trade they do with us varies from country to country.

    WTO rules mean tariffs.

    Tariffs usually mean higher prices, and make it just about impossible for some industries to compete.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    Rinkhals said:

    Quick question, well 2 actaully.

    I thought if we didn't leave with a deal we'd revert to WTO rules for a 2 year transiton period.

    Also, wouldn't no deal be just as bad for the EU or aren't we supposed to acknoweldge that because we're



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6802855/No-deal-Brexit-tariffs-revealed-Car-prices-rocket-1-500.html
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    EssexphilEssexphil Member Posts: 8,028
    2 parts to this.

    Firstly, we are 1 country, and (mostly) an island. With over 50% of all our international trade done with the trade block of 28-ish countries in the EU. It will affect us more than any 1 of the 28 countries, who still have 27 other EU countries to trade with. Even if the effect is roughly similar, 1 side is borne by 1 country (us) rather than the other is shared between 28 countries.

    Secondly, some goods are going to go up anyway. Let's use the beef steak as an example. Imported steak has a tariff of 53%. So it will be easy for UK producers to mug us off by increasing prices by, say, 20%.

    People can, and will argue as to whether leaving the EU is a price worth paying.
    But leaving without a trade deal is a price that is most definitely not worth paying.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    Essexphil said:

    2 parts to this.

    Firstly, we are 1 country, and (mostly) an island. With over 50% of all our international trade done with the trade block of 28-ish countries in the EU. It will affect us more than any 1 of the 28 countries, who still have 27 other EU countries to trade with. Even if the effect is roughly similar, 1 side is borne by 1 country (us) rather than the other is shared between 28 countries.

    Secondly, some goods are going to go up anyway. Let's use the beef steak as an
    example. Imported steak has a tariff of 53%. So it will be easy for UK producers to mug us off by increasing prices by, say, 20%.

    People can, and will argue as to whether leaving the EU is a price worth paying.
    But leaving without a trade deal is a price that is most definitely not worth paying.

    The Brexiteers have constantly said that a no deal is fine, and that there is nothing wrong with trading on WTO rules.
    However Liam Fox was a bit more truthful when he said that if trading on WTO rules was ideal, then why would anyone ever do a trade deal.
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    UK car makers ‘to face higher export tariffs as EC rejects components request’


    British car manufacturers could face higher export tariffs with or without a Brexit deal, it has been reported.

    It followed a rejection by the European Commission of proposals for components from Japan and Turkey used on UK car production lines to be considered British.

    According to a letter to the car industry from Britain’s chief Brexit negotiator Lord Frost, seen by the BBC, the EC rejected the key request.

    The BBC said it has also obtained a separate draft legal text in which the UK requested the manufacturing of goods such as electric cars and batteries to be counted as British, even if the majority of components are imported.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-car-makers-to-face-higher-export-tariffs-as-ec-rejects-components-request/ar-BB19ywb4?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    edited September 2020
    Intelligence on terrorists would be deleted from EU database under no-deal Brexit, senior officials warn





    Vital intelligence about terrorism and organised crime relating to Britain would need to be expunged from the European Union’s security database if there is a no-deal Brexit, senior security and diplomatic officials have warned.

    The lack of an agreement on data sharing would mean that the UK would no longer have access to a wide swathe of information systems including European Criminal Records Information Service and would also jeopardise the chances of finding a replacement for the European Arrest Warrant.

    Sir Julian King, the last UK Commissioner to the European Union, said “the difference between a deal and no deal is significant” and would lead to unavoidable and severe
    problems.

    “UK [intelligence] data that was held in EU systems could – indeed would – be deleted, if there was no data adequacy arrangement covering how you share data,” he said.

    Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), Sir Julian stressed that there would be an “immediate” crisis unless there was a deal on the UK’s withdrawal from the European Union covering a range of issues, including security.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/intelligence-on-terrorists-would-be-deleted-from-eu-database-under-no-deal-brexit-senior-officials-warn/ar-BB19xV30?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
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    Brexit: EU begins legal action over Boris Johnson's plans to break international law

    The EU Commission Chief has announced plans to take the UK to court over the UK's controversial plans to break international law.


    Ursula Von Der Leyen made the announcement at a press conference in Brussels.

    The UK Government has signalled it could tear up elements of the package relating to Northern Ireland in the UK Internal Market Bill, which cleared the Commons this week.

    But ministers have admitted that the plan would breach international law - sending shockwaves through the the UK's negotiations with Brussels.



    The European Union had called for the UK to withdraw the elements of the legislation which would breach international law by the end of September.

    But Mr Johnson failed to change tack in light of Ms Von Der Leyen's warning and the Bill cleared the House of Commons earlier this week.

    The European Commission confirmed that it will send a “letter of formal notice” to the UK for breaching the terms of its withdrawal agreement with the European Union.

    They have said the UK has one month to reply.




    In her statement Ms Von Der Leyen said: “We had invited our British friends to remove the problematic parts of their draft Internal Market Bill by the end of September.

    “This draft bill is, by its very nature, a breach of the obligation of good faith laid down in the Withdrawal Agreement.

    “Moreover, if adopted as is it will be in full contradiction of the protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland.

    “The deadline lapsed yesterday, the problematic provisions have not been removed.

    “Therefore this morning the commission have decided to send a letter of formal notice to the UK Government. This is the first step in an infringement procedure.”

    The letter is the first step in a legal process that could result in a lawsuit at the European Court of Justice.

    While this means the UK could end up before judges at the ECJ, there are hundreds of unresolved infringement procedures before the court.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brexit-eu-begins-legal-action-over-boris-johnson-s-plans-to-break-international-law/ar-BB19Bd5d?ocid=msedgntp
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    edited October 2020
    No-deal Brexit edges nearer after Boris Johnson fails to break EU deadlock





    Britain lurched closer to a no-deal Brexit yesterday after Boris Johnson failed to break the deadlock in crunch talks with EU boss Ursula von der Leyen.
    The PM video-called the EU Commission President in the hope the meeting would unblock stalled negotiations.

    But afterwards a No10 spokesman said: “Significant gaps remained.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-edges-nearer-after-boris-johnson-fails-to-break-eu-deadlock/ar-BB19FZNw?ocid=msedgntp
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    HAYSIEHAYSIE Member Posts: 32,213
    Government dealt string of defeats on post-Brexit immigration bill in Lords


    The Lords overwhelmingly supported an amendment by Lord Dubs, who himself fled the **** as a child, to restore potections after the EU transition period ends later this year.

    Before the vote Lord Dubs had asked: “Surely it is right that when there are young people who have got relatives here that family reunion must be a basic, basic thing that we should support?"

    The vote was one of a number of defeats home secretary Priti Patel suffered as peers considered the legislation in the Lords, just hours after she pledged to ‘fix’ what she said was a broken asylum system.



    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/government-dealt-string-of-defeats-on-post-brexit-immigration-bill-in-lords/ar-BB19IXYl?ocid=msedgntp
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